So My question is what tools are available in SuSE to automate the
cleanup. Among the things that might be of use:
XSLT to remove all font attributes.
Style sheets designed for use with résumés
Tools to reflow text with each HTML tag on a separate line.
Tools to add missing end tags to existing HTML so that I can use
an XML editor.
A related question is whether OpenOffice has any facilities to do a
mass change to markup in an existing StarOfffice document?
Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.
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> I'd prefer not having to install any additional tools, and I'd prefer a
> format that I can tweak with a text editor, e.g., DocBook, XHTML.
You want LaTeX. I use the "res" class to typeset my current resume, and
it's the best looking one I've ever had.
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> At 2004-06-06T21:26:14Z, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>
>> [quoted text muted]
>
> You want LaTeX. I use the "res" class to typeset my current resume, and
> it's the best looking one I've ever had.
Does it come with tetex? Where can I get it from?
> Does it come with tetex? Where can I get it from?
SUSE 8.2 comes with tetex. I'm sure the newer versions do, too.
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> SUSE 8.2 comes with tetex. I'm sure the newer versions do, too.
Yes--I just pulled up YaST on both 9.0 and 9.1, and tetex is available.
(ISTR tetex is pulled in automagically when YaST installs latex)
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> Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.
Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?
You trying to tell 'em your job qualifications or blind 'em with bullshit?
Just give 'em the facts with an ascii file. Sheesh!
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> Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.
Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?
>> Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.
Keep it to 1 page. Worst case: 2 pages and work under the
assumption that somebody in HR will loose the 2nd page before
anybody important sees it.
> Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?
>
> You trying to tell 'em your job qualifications or blind 'em
> with bullshit? Just give 'em the facts with an ascii file.
> Sheesh!
You just can't get much on one page using plain ASCII: 72
columns and 60 lines is about the limit. Perhaps that was cool
back when you were a new grad and using nice big monospaced
fonts allowed you to put a lot of ink on the page even though
you didn't have anything to say.
After a few jobs, getting everything onto one page while still
looking decent requires something a bit more sophisticated than
ASCII text.
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> You just can't get much on one page using plain ASCII: 72
> columns and 60 lines is about the limit. Perhaps that was cool
> back when you were a new grad and using nice big monospaced
> fonts allowed you to put a lot of ink on the page even though
> you didn't have anything to say.
The problem is not getting all you have to say, it's condensing the
essentials down to the point where you don't put the reader to sleep. I've
had to read more than a few resumes. There's nothing more tiresome than
some guy who's put a whole freaking webpage with every detail of his
life/workhistory in some headache-inducing microfont in order to revel you
with his past glories in the workforce. After a couple dozen, the larger,
easy to read, ascii font becomes the one you want to relax your eyeballs on
all the way through to the end. Better to wow 'em with a couple exceptional
accomplishments on your last 1 or 2 jobs to pique their interest so they
request an interview, where you can then spill your guts and/or cut your own
throat at their leisure.
nb
> The problem is not getting all you have to say, it's condensing the
> essentials down to the point where you don't put the reader to sleep.
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>You want LaTeX. I use the "res" class to typeset my current resume,
>and it's the best looking one I've ever had.
Thanks. Can TeX export HTML and m$ word?
>Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?
You seem to be missing the point. I'm not asking what to give them,
but what to use to save my time.
>You trying to tell 'em your job qualifications or blind 'em with
>bullshit?
Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
prospects.
>Just give 'em the facts with an ascii file.
I normally send an ASCII file. Some potential employers want a
different format. I send them what I ask for. Is that such a difficult
concept?
>I suggest you trash that resume. Most resumes do not even get read.
Most employers require a résumé, whether they read it or not.
> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
> prospects.
As could misspelling resumé.
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>> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
>> prospects.
> As could misspelling resumé.
Indeed. But Shmuel knows how to spell it correctly. You apparently
don't.
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> Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:
>> In article <40ce2503$5$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>
>>> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
>>> prospects.
>
>> As could misspelling resumé.
>
> Indeed. But Shmuel knows how to spell it correctly. You apparently
> don't.
Hmm - which dictionary? (just curious)
B.
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Now you made me check the dictionaries. :) All those I have on hand
spell the word with two acute accents.
Webster's Third New International Dictionary (1966)
The Random House Dictionary (1966)
The Concise Oxford Dictionary (4th ed., 1952)
Oxford English Dictionary (Compact edition¹, 1971)
You could naturalize the word into English and spell it without any
accent marks if you like; confusion with the verb meaning to continue
after interruption is unlikely.
¹Printed 4-up; magnifying glass recommended to avoid eyestrain.
[snips]
> You could naturalize the word into English and spell it without any
> accent marks if you like; confusion with the verb meaning to continue
> after interruption is unlikely.
>
That's great - thanks for the info.
My inclination would be to drop the accents because, as you say, confusion
with the unaccented verb form is unlikely and because this appears to be
the commonly accepted spelling anyway.
A quick Google for hints on resume writing soon confirmed that - I
couldn't find one promoting the correct dictionary spelling.
I think I might also tend to think "uh-oh - pedant alert!" if I received
an application for a job using the accented form. ;)
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Also there are lots of very good tools to:
convert to RTF (latex2rt allows to export result to most word
processors), create very clean and compact PDF, create html (several
tools).
In spite of all the new promising/fancy tools, I still prefer to keep
my resume as a latex file at this time. Changes are real simple too.
If you are imtimitated by learning Latex (requires the IQ of a
hamster, or better), then get an existing latex file you like, and add
your text in there....
Good Luck.
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<nitpicking>
Which Google? (just curious)
Because it has different language interfaces [take a gander at
'ElmerFudd' for a good chuckle]
</nitpicking>
Don't forget, this newsgroup makes it 'round the world, so if I ever
send you an application ... :)
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Boy did I invent some good ones!
According to the dictionaries I have access to, resumé is allowed as an
alternative spelling of résumé, at least in American English. Which is
funny, considering that the word's origin is the verb "résumer".
I like the "reumes" spelling of the subject best, though :-)
To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.
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> <nitpicking>
>
Er, yes indeed.
I'm not in the habit of writing or reading for all available languages,
just my mother tongue. Therefore things tend to be viewed from there.
> Don't forget, this newsgroup makes it 'round the world, so if I ever
> send you an application ... :)
>
Yes I know, although I'd never request a CV via a newsgroup. ;)
I assume that if you had a language-based reason for including the accents
it would be self-evident from your personal information contained in the
CV. My throw-away comment about pedantry was just that, a throw-away
comment and hardly a rule set in stone.
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> To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.
Here in the US, few people outside of academia know what a "CV"
is.
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> To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.
What would a Concurrent Version buy you? :)
> In article <6ob4q1-...@kether.broomstick.com>, Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.
>
> Here in the US, few people outside of academia know what a "CV"
> is.
>
cv
n : a summary of your academic and work history [syn: curriculum
vitae, resume]
That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
-DL
> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
Academia? Man, I *love* those nuts -- they come from Hawaii, right?
:-D
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Next the need spelling checkers.
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:20:21 GMT
> David LOney <d.l...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
>
> Academia? Man, I *love* those nuts -- they come from Hawaii, right?
> :-D
>
>
ROTFLOL
> David LOney wrote:
>>
>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
> ^^^^
>
> Next the need spelling checkers.
>
Dude - the :-) said it all. :-) Lets all say dictionaries 10 times. Is it
Dictionary's? You decide.
-DL
> David LOney wrote:
>>
>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
> ^^^^
>
> Next the need spelling checkers.
>
Obviosuly a CNN term... since the joke went past you. Crap I won't post
again for awhile. Love this Group. Good info, except when the cross posting
Windows clowns who hate Linux cross post.
-DL
So you thought I made a gramatically correct sentense in this threat?
You think "Next the need spelling checkers." is correct?
Well at least that was my attemt to humor.
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> David LOney wrote:
>> houghi wrote:
>>
>>> David LOney wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> Next the need spelling checkers.
>>>
>>
>> Obviosuly a CNN term... since the joke went past you. Crap I won't post
>> again for awhile. Love this Group. Good info, except when the cross
>> posting Windows clowns who hate Linux cross post.
>
> So you thought I made a gramatically correct sentense in this threat?
> You think "Next the need spelling checkers." is correct?
> Well at least that was my attemt to humor.
LOL, My Bad :-)
-DL
Yet another response.
I compose everything in plain ASCII, then convert from there. If I
expect it to be converted a great deal, I have one copy in wrapped ASCII
(72 columns) and one unwrapped. Having one base version in RTF will
convert into lots of other formats easily. If you want to retag a
StarOffice doc, OO.o should have no trouble reading it and putting out
it's own format, MS Word, plus HTML and some others. If you use 'tidy'
you can usually convert old HTML to XHTML by changing the DTD in the
header, and using some of the command line switches to account for that.
For actual printing, I prefer Lyx for class, but it takes time to learn
it. Simple stuff I print from XHTML using a browser and a printer.css.
I tried to post something about this with your earlier query, but it
never appeared, AFAIK.
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> For my resume, I have tried a few things.
>Indeed sgml is ok, but I find the typesetting of low quality. For me,
>the best is the good old Latex: easy to modify, comments, excellent
>typesetting (looks very good!), easy to include graphic if you
>wish.
I'm considering that, either directly or in XML converted to LaTex via
XSLT. The later has the advantage that I can automatically convert it
to clean HTML. The only real problem is that some places want it in m$
word format, but I can probably use OpenOffice to convert or generate
RTF[1] and give it a .doc extension.
Kirk Strauser suggested the "res" class if I use LaTex; I need to
chase down the documentation. Do you know whether Lamport ever updated
his original book to cover later enhancements? Alternatively, what is
a good dead tree to get started with? Is the "res" documentation
included in the LaTex documentation?
I currently own the first edition of the Tex Book set; is it worth the
money to buy the newest edition, or are the changes cosmetic? Or is
Tex markup irrelevant when I'm using LaTex?
[1] Or does m$ word barf when it gets RTF with a .doc extension?
>I think I might also tend to think "uh-oh - pedant alert!" if I
>received an application for a job using the accented form. ;)
FWIW, the word résumé does not appear in my résumé, with or without
accents, and nobody has ever commented on the accents in my cover
letters. If I wanted the word in my résumé, I'd do it without accent
in order[1] to avoid non-ASCII characters.
[1] Yes, I know of an alternate way to do it. I don't like it.
[ snip ]
>
>Kirk Strauser suggested the "res" class if I use LaTex; I need to
>chase down the documentation. Do you know whether Lamport ever updated
>his original book to cover later enhancements? Alternatively, what is
>a good dead tree to get started with? Is the "res" documentation
>included in the LaTex documentation?
>
>I currently own the first edition of the Tex Book set; is it worth the
>money to buy the newest edition, or are the changes cosmetic? Or is
>Tex markup irrelevant when I'm using LaTex?
Speaking as a long-time but only moderately expert LaTeX user:
I think it's nice to have Knuth's TeXbook on one's bookshelf, but
my guess is that the only LaTeX users who really need to consult it
often are the ones who are writing complicated packages.
There is a second edition of Lamport's book (for LaTeX 2e as opposed
to the older LaTeX 2.09), and it's worth having, but it doesn't cover
the bewildering array of add-on packages that you probably should know
about to use LaTeX effectively.
A book that describes a lot of the add-ons is "The LaTeX Companion".
I have the first edition and have found it pretty useful. I hear
that a second edition has just been released.
A useful starting point for online info is the TeX FAQ at
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html
There's a nice list of books at
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=books
Another good source of information is comp.text.tex, both the group
itself and Google's archive.
Hope this helps ....
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In case it escaped you: use OpenOffice to convert to Word .doc
What about creating a .pdf document? That should be readable on all
systems. I've been applying for some jobs recently. Most have their own
forms package for you to fill in your details (so their robot can file it
in the roung bin). Some have asked for an e-mail with an attached resume,
and some of these were *nix sites. What to do? I send them a .pdf file.
> ...Tex markup ...LaTex?
I should also look into these. I've heard good things.
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>In case it escaped you: use OpenOffice to convert to Word .doc
Whoops! That oversight is a bit embarrassing, since I used StarOffice
to convert to .doc and it's basically the same program :-(
>There is a second edition of Lamport's book (for LaTeX 2e as opposed
>to the older LaTeX 2.09), and it's worth having, but it doesn't cover
>the bewildering array of add-on packages that you probably should
>know about to use LaTeX effectively.
A-W sells a package set that includes Lamport's 2nd edition and three
Companion books, but the LaTex Companion in that set is the first
edition. I don't know whether they have or will update it.
>A book that describes a lot of the add-ons is "The LaTeX Companion".
>I have the first edition and have found it pretty useful. I hear
>that a second edition has just been released.
I saw it on the shelves; it has a February 2004 copywright. Do you
know whether it replaces the LaTex Graphics Companion and the LaTex
Web Companion?
>A useful starting point for online info is the TeX FAQ at
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html
>There's a nice list of books at
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=books
Thanks.
>What about creating a .pdf document?
That would be the worst of all possible worlds. The places that ask
for a specific format usually do so because they want to edit it, and
PDF is not a revisable format.
>That should be readable on all systems.
I've quite frequently gotten PDF files that I couldn't read.
>Most have their own forms package for you to fill in your details
The one's that I've seen have a control for attaching an existing file
plus a window into which you can past free-form text.
For resumes, that's exactly the reason why I would _prefer_ PDF to
other formats that headhunter types could mess around with...
>>That should be readable on all systems.
>
> I've quite frequently gotten PDF files that I couldn't read.
Ones generated from LaTeX form tend to produce pretty compatible
PDF...
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In article <40db724e$11$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel
(Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> Kirk Strauser suggested the "res" class if I use LaTex; I need to
> chase down the documentation. Do you know whether Lamport ever updated
> his original book to cover later enhancements? Alternatively, what is
> a good dead tree to get started with?
I use "A Guide to LaTeX" by Kopka and Daly; other sources are mentioned
in
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/26/1746237
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My guess is that it does not, but I don't know for sure and am too
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[ snip ]
>Ones generated from LaTeX form tend to produce pretty compatible
>PDF...
On arbitrary releases of Acrobat, or only on the latest and greatest?