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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 6, 2004, 5:26:14 PM6/6/04
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I have converted my résumé through a sequence of word processors,
including WordPerfect, DeScribe, IBM Works and StarOffice 5.1; at each
stage the export and import has added another layer of cruft. I'm at
the point where I'm ready to through out all of the markup and start
over, unless there is a good way to automatically clean it up. I have
SuSE Linux Professional 9.0, and plan to upgrade it. I'd prefer not
having to install any additional tools, and I'd prefer a format that I
can tweak with a text editor, e.g., DocBook, XHTML.

So My question is what tools are available in SuSE to automate the
cleanup. Among the things that might be of use:

XSLT to remove all font attributes.

Style sheets designed for use with résumés

Tools to reflow text with each HTML tag on a separate line.

Tools to add missing end tags to existing HTML so that I can use
an XML editor.

A related question is whether OpenOffice has any facilities to do a
mass change to markup in an existing StarOfffice document?

Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.

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Kirk Strauser

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Jun 6, 2004, 9:35:08 PM6/6/04
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At 2004-06-06T21:26:14Z, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:

> I'd prefer not having to install any additional tools, and I'd prefer a
> format that I can tweak with a text editor, e.g., DocBook, XHTML.

You want LaTeX. I use the "res" class to typeset my current resume, and
it's the best looking one I've ever had.
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Amadeus W.M.

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Jun 6, 2004, 10:26:27 PM6/6/04
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 01:35:08 +0000, Kirk Strauser wrote:

> At 2004-06-06T21:26:14Z, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>

>> [quoted text muted]


>
> You want LaTeX. I use the "res" class to typeset my current resume, and
> it's the best looking one I've ever had.

Does it come with tetex? Where can I get it from?

Kevin Nathan

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Jun 7, 2004, 1:10:39 AM6/7/04
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:26:27 -0400
"Amadeus W.M." <amad...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Does it come with tetex? Where can I get it from?

SUSE 8.2 comes with tetex. I'm sure the newer versions do, too.


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Harold Stevens

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Jun 7, 2004, 7:47:30 AM6/7/04
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In <20040606231...@allevil.local>, Kevin Nathan:

[Snip...]

> SUSE 8.2 comes with tetex. I'm sure the newer versions do, too.

Yes--I just pulled up YaST on both 9.0 and 9.1, and tetex is available.

(ISTR tetex is pulled in automagically when YaST installs latex)

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notbob

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Jun 7, 2004, 11:12:11 PM6/7/04
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On 2004-06-06, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

> Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.

Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?

You trying to tell 'em your job qualifications or blind 'em with bullshit?
Just give 'em the facts with an ascii file. Sheesh!

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Jun 7, 2004, 11:28:18 PM6/7/04
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On 2004-06-06, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

> Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.

Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?

Grant Edwards

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Jun 7, 2004, 11:36:08 PM6/7/04
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In article <eX9xc.55988$3x.22191@attbi_s54>, notbob wrote:

>> Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.

Keep it to 1 page. Worst case: 2 pages and work under the
assumption that somebody in HR will loose the 2nd page before
anybody important sees it.

> Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?
>
> You trying to tell 'em your job qualifications or blind 'em
> with bullshit? Just give 'em the facts with an ascii file.
> Sheesh!

You just can't get much on one page using plain ASCII: 72
columns and 60 lines is about the limit. Perhaps that was cool
back when you were a new grad and using nice big monospaced
fonts allowed you to put a lot of ink on the page even though
you didn't have anything to say.

After a few jobs, getting everything onto one page while still
looking decent requires something a bit more sophisticated than
ASCII text.

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Jean-David Beyer

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Jun 8, 2004, 10:57:42 AM6/8/04
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> I have converted my résumé through a sequence of word processors,
> including WordPerfect, DeScribe, IBM Works and StarOffice 5.1; at each
> stage the export and import has added another layer of cruft. I'm at
> the point where I'm ready to through out all of the markup and start
> over, unless there is a good way to automatically clean it up. I have
> SuSE Linux Professional 9.0, and plan to upgrade it. I'd prefer not
> having to install any additional tools, and I'd prefer a format that I
> can tweak with a text editor, e.g., DocBook, XHTML.
>
[snip]

> Thanks for any guidance or suggestions that you can provide.
>
I suggest you trash that resume. Most resumes do not even get read.

Instead, get a neat book, or look at the book's author's web site...

http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/

http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/bookpromo.htm

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houghi

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Jun 8, 2004, 11:47:16 AM6/8/04
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Grant Edwards wrote:
> After a few jobs, getting everything onto one page while still
> looking decent requires something a bit more sophisticated than
> ASCII text.

Run it through bzip and print it out. I mean, would you REALY want to
work with a company who can not work that out? ;-)

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notbob

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Jun 9, 2004, 12:20:04 AM6/9/04
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On 2004-06-08, Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:

> You just can't get much on one page using plain ASCII: 72
> columns and 60 lines is about the limit. Perhaps that was cool
> back when you were a new grad and using nice big monospaced
> fonts allowed you to put a lot of ink on the page even though
> you didn't have anything to say.

The problem is not getting all you have to say, it's condensing the
essentials down to the point where you don't put the reader to sleep. I've
had to read more than a few resumes. There's nothing more tiresome than
some guy who's put a whole freaking webpage with every detail of his
life/workhistory in some headache-inducing microfont in order to revel you
with his past glories in the workforce. After a couple dozen, the larger,
easy to read, ascii font becomes the one you want to relax your eyeballs on
all the way through to the end. Better to wow 'em with a couple exceptional
accomplishments on your last 1 or 2 jobs to pique their interest so they
request an interview, where you can then spill your guts and/or cut your own
throat at their leisure.

nb

James Knott

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Jun 9, 2004, 6:43:38 AM6/9/04
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notbob wrote:

> The problem is not getting all you have to say, it's condensing the
> essentials down to the point where you don't put the reader to sleep.

ZZZZZZZ. ;-)

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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 9, 2004, 5:46:14 AM6/9/04
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In <87wu2kc...@strauser.com>, on 06/07/2004

at 01:35 AM, Kirk Strauser <ki...@strauser.com> said:

>You want LaTeX. I use the "res" class to typeset my current resume,
>and it's the best looking one I've ever had.

Thanks. Can TeX export HTML and m$ word?

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 14, 2004, 5:21:55 PM6/14/04
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In <f8axc.2043$0y.1193@attbi_s03>, on 06/08/2004

at 03:12 AM, notbob <not...@nothome.com> said:

>Style sheets? ...tags? ...XML? ...what the!?

You seem to be missing the point. I'm not asking what to give them,
but what to use to save my time.

>You trying to tell 'em your job qualifications or blind 'em with
>bullshit?

Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
prospects.

>Just give 'em the facts with an ascii file.

I normally send an ASCII file. Some potential employers want a
different format. I send them what I ask for. Is that such a difficult
concept?

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 14, 2004, 5:24:49 PM6/14/04
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In <10cbkv6...@corp.supernews.com>, on 06/08/2004

at 10:57 AM, Jean-David Beyer <jdb...@exit109.com> said:

>I suggest you trash that resume. Most resumes do not even get read.

Most employers require a résumé, whether they read it or not.

Grant Edwards

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Jun 14, 2004, 10:00:14 PM6/14/04
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In article <40ce2503$5$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
> prospects.

As could misspelling resumé.

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John Wingate

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Jun 14, 2004, 10:53:57 PM6/14/04
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Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:
> In article <40ce2503$5$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

>> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
>> prospects.

> As could misspelling resumé.

Indeed. But Shmuel knows how to spell it correctly. You apparently
don't.

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Grant Edwards

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Jun 14, 2004, 11:18:51 PM6/14/04
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In article <10csp65...@corp.supernews.com>, John Wingate wrote:
> Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:
>> In article <40ce2503$5$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>
>>> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
>>> prospects.
>
>> As could misspelling resumé.
>
> Indeed. But Shmuel knows how to spell it correctly. You apparently
> don't.

Damn. You're right. I should have known better than criticize
somebody else's spelling.

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Brian

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Jun 15, 2004, 9:07:33 AM6/15/04
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:53:57 +0000, John Wingate wrote:

> Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:
>> In article <40ce2503$5$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>
>>> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt your
>>> prospects.
>
>> As could misspelling resumé.
>
> Indeed. But Shmuel knows how to spell it correctly. You apparently
> don't.

Hmm - which dictionary? (just curious)

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John Wingate

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Jun 15, 2004, 11:19:57 AM6/15/04
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Now you made me check the dictionaries. :) All those I have on hand
spell the word with two acute accents.

Webster's Third New International Dictionary (1966)
The Random House Dictionary (1966)
The Concise Oxford Dictionary (4th ed., 1952)
Oxford English Dictionary (Compact edition¹, 1971)

You could naturalize the word into English and spell it without any
accent marks if you like; confusion with the verb meaning to continue
after interruption is unlikely.

¹Printed 4-up; magnifying glass recommended to avoid eyestrain.

Brian

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Jun 15, 2004, 12:50:53 PM6/15/04
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:19:57 +0000, John Wingate wrote:

[snips]


> You could naturalize the word into English and spell it without any
> accent marks if you like; confusion with the verb meaning to continue
> after interruption is unlikely.
>

That's great - thanks for the info.
My inclination would be to drop the accents because, as you say, confusion
with the unaccented verb form is unlikely and because this appears to be
the commonly accepted spelling anyway.
A quick Google for hints on resume writing soon confirmed that - I
couldn't find one promoting the correct dictionary spelling.

I think I might also tend to think "uh-oh - pedant alert!" if I received
an application for a job using the accented form. ;)


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linuxuser

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Jun 15, 2004, 2:09:47 PM6/15/04
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Shmuel:
For my resume, I have tried a few things.
Indeed sgml is ok, but I find the typesetting of low quality.
For me, the best is the good old Latex: easy to modify, comments,
excellent typesetting (looks very good!), easy to include graphic if
you wish.

Also there are lots of very good tools to:
convert to RTF (latex2rt allows to export result to most word
processors), create very clean and compact PDF, create html (several
tools).

In spite of all the new promising/fancy tools, I still prefer to keep
my resume as a latex file at this time. Changes are real simple too.

If you are imtimitated by learning Latex (requires the IQ of a
hamster, or better), then get an existing latex file you like, and add
your text in there....

Good Luck.
LU
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Yvan Loranger

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Jun 15, 2004, 5:03:41 PM6/15/04
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Brian wrote:
> That's great - thanks for the info.
> My inclination would be to drop the accents because, as you say, confusion
> with the unaccented verb form is unlikely and because this appears to be
> the commonly accepted spelling anyway.
> A quick Google for hints on resume writing soon confirmed that - I
> couldn't find one promoting the correct dictionary spelling.
>
> I think I might also tend to think "uh-oh - pedant alert!" if I received
> an application for a job using the accented form. ;)

<nitpicking>
Which Google? (just curious)
Because it has different language interfaces [take a gander at
'ElmerFudd' for a good chuckle]
</nitpicking>

Don't forget, this newsgroup makes it 'round the world, so if I ever
send you an application ... :)

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Arthur Hagen

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Jun 15, 2004, 7:01:57 PM6/15/04
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Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:
> In article <10csp65...@corp.supernews.com>, John Wingate wrote:
>> Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> In article <40ce2503$5$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel
>>> (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>>
>>>> Have you ever applied for a job? A sloppy looking résumé can hurt
>>>> your prospects.
>>
>>> As could misspelling resumé.
>>
>> Indeed. But Shmuel knows how to spell it correctly. You apparently
>> don't.
>
> Damn. You're right. I should have known better than criticize
> somebody else's spelling.

According to the dictionaries I have access to, resumé is allowed as an
alternative spelling of résumé, at least in American English. Which is
funny, considering that the word's origin is the verb "résumer".
I like the "reumes" spelling of the subject best, though :-)

To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.

Regards,
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Brian

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Jun 15, 2004, 7:34:27 PM6/15/04
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:03:41 -0400, Yvan Loranger wrote:

> <nitpicking>
>
Er, yes indeed.
I'm not in the habit of writing or reading for all available languages,
just my mother tongue. Therefore things tend to be viewed from there.

> Don't forget, this newsgroup makes it 'round the world, so if I ever
> send you an application ... :)
>

Yes I know, although I'd never request a CV via a newsgroup. ;)

I assume that if you had a language-based reason for including the accents
it would be self-evident from your personal information contained in the
CV. My throw-away comment about pedantry was just that, a throw-away
comment and hardly a rule set in stone.

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Grant Edwards

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Jun 15, 2004, 8:04:23 PM6/15/04
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In article <6ob4q1-...@kether.broomstick.com>, Arthur Hagen wrote:

> To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.

Here in the US, few people outside of academia know what a "CV"
is.

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Jun 15, 2004, 8:50:06 PM6/15/04
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At 2004-06-15T23:01:57Z, "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> writes:

> To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.

What would a Concurrent Version buy you? :)

David LOney

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Grant Edwards wrote:

> In article <6ob4q1-...@kether.broomstick.com>, Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.
>
> Here in the US, few people outside of academia know what a "CV"
> is.
>

cv
n : a summary of your academic and work history [syn: curriculum
vitae, resume]

That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)

-DL

Kevin Nathan

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Jun 16, 2004, 2:38:29 AM6/16/04
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:20:21 GMT
David LOney <d.l...@comcast.net> wrote:

> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)

Academia? Man, I *love* those nuts -- they come from Hawaii, right?
:-D


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houghi

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Jun 16, 2004, 3:20:43 AM6/16/04
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David LOney wrote:
>
> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
^^^^

Next the need spelling checkers.

David LOney

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Jun 16, 2004, 3:40:09 AM6/16/04
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Kevin Nathan wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:20:21 GMT
> David LOney <d.l...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
>
> Academia? Man, I *love* those nuts -- they come from Hawaii, right?
> :-D
>
>

ROTFLOL


David LOney

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Jun 16, 2004, 3:56:43 AM6/16/04
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houghi wrote:

> David LOney wrote:
>>
>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
> ^^^^
>
> Next the need spelling checkers.
>

Dude - the :-) said it all. :-) Lets all say dictionaries 10 times. Is it
Dictionary's? You decide.

-DL

David LOney

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Jun 16, 2004, 4:07:24 AM6/16/04
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houghi wrote:

> David LOney wrote:
>>
>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
> ^^^^
>
> Next the need spelling checkers.
>

Obviosuly a CNN term... since the joke went past you. Crap I won't post
again for awhile. Love this Group. Good info, except when the cross posting
Windows clowns who hate Linux cross post.

-DL

houghi

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Jun 16, 2004, 9:32:28 AM6/16/04
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So you thought I made a gramatically correct sentense in this threat?
You think "Next the need spelling checkers." is correct?
Well at least that was my attemt to humor.

Jack Strangio

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Jun 16, 2004, 6:28:15 AM6/16/04
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Kirk Strauser <ki...@strauser.com> writes:
> At 2004-06-15T23:01:57Z, "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> writes:
>
> > To avoid misspelling your résumé, write a CV instead.
>
> What would a Concurrent Version buy you? :)

Only a Constant Velocity.

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David LOney

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Jun 16, 2004, 10:37:35 AM6/16/04
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houghi wrote:

> David LOney wrote:
>> houghi wrote:
>>
>>> David LOney wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is why us morons outside of acedemia have dctionaries. :-)
>>> ^^^^
>>>
>>> Next the need spelling checkers.
>>>
>>
>> Obviosuly a CNN term... since the joke went past you. Crap I won't post
>> again for awhile. Love this Group. Good info, except when the cross
>> posting Windows clowns who hate Linux cross post.
>
> So you thought I made a gramatically correct sentense in this threat?
> You think "Next the need spelling checkers." is correct?
> Well at least that was my attemt to humor.


LOL, My Bad :-)

-DL

Ed Hurst

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Jun 16, 2004, 4:04:50 PM6/16/04
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

Yet another response.

I compose everything in plain ASCII, then convert from there. If I
expect it to be converted a great deal, I have one copy in wrapped ASCII
(72 columns) and one unwrapped. Having one base version in RTF will
convert into lots of other formats easily. If you want to retag a
StarOffice doc, OO.o should have no trouble reading it and putting out
it's own format, MS Word, plus HTML and some others. If you use 'tidy'
you can usually convert old HTML to XHTML by changing the DTD in the
header, and using some of the command line switches to account for that.

For actual printing, I prefer Lyx for class, but it takes time to learn
it. Simple stuff I print from XHTML using a browser and a printer.css.

I tried to post something about this with your earlier query, but it
never appeared, AFAIK.

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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 24, 2004, 7:31:10 PM6/24/04
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In <6aaf28e6.04061...@posting.google.com>, on 06/15/2004

at 11:09 AM, ago...@yahoo.com (linuxuser) said:

> For my resume, I have tried a few things.
>Indeed sgml is ok, but I find the typesetting of low quality. For me,
>the best is the good old Latex: easy to modify, comments, excellent
>typesetting (looks very good!), easy to include graphic if you
>wish.

I'm considering that, either directly or in XML converted to LaTex via
XSLT. The later has the advantage that I can automatically convert it
to clean HTML. The only real problem is that some places want it in m$
word format, but I can probably use OpenOffice to convert or generate
RTF[1] and give it a .doc extension.

Kirk Strauser suggested the "res" class if I use LaTex; I need to
chase down the documentation. Do you know whether Lamport ever updated
his original book to cover later enhancements? Alternatively, what is
a good dead tree to get started with? Is the "res" documentation
included in the LaTex documentation?

I currently own the first edition of the Tex Book set; is it worth the
money to buy the newest edition, or are the changes cosmetic? Or is
Tex markup irrelevant when I'm using LaTex?

[1] Or does m$ word barf when it gets RTF with a .doc extension?

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 24, 2004, 7:37:00 PM6/24/04
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In <can9dd$ruk$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk>, on 06/15/2004

at 05:50 PM, Brian <nos...@my-local.net> said:

>I think I might also tend to think "uh-oh - pedant alert!" if I
>received an application for a job using the accented form. ;)

FWIW, the word résumé does not appear in my résumé, with or without
accents, and nobody has ever commented on the accents in my cover
letters. If I wanted the word in my résumé, I'd do it without accent
in order[1] to avoid non-ASCII characters.

[1] Yes, I know of an alternate way to do it. I don't like it.

blm...@myrealbox.com

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Jun 25, 2004, 4:35:09 AM6/25/04
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In article <40db724e$11$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>,
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

[ snip ]


>
>Kirk Strauser suggested the "res" class if I use LaTex; I need to
>chase down the documentation. Do you know whether Lamport ever updated
>his original book to cover later enhancements? Alternatively, what is
>a good dead tree to get started with? Is the "res" documentation
>included in the LaTex documentation?
>
>I currently own the first edition of the Tex Book set; is it worth the
>money to buy the newest edition, or are the changes cosmetic? Or is
>Tex markup irrelevant when I'm using LaTex?

Speaking as a long-time but only moderately expert LaTeX user:

I think it's nice to have Knuth's TeXbook on one's bookshelf, but
my guess is that the only LaTeX users who really need to consult it
often are the ones who are writing complicated packages.

There is a second edition of Lamport's book (for LaTeX 2e as opposed
to the older LaTeX 2.09), and it's worth having, but it doesn't cover
the bewildering array of add-on packages that you probably should know
about to use LaTeX effectively.

A book that describes a lot of the add-ons is "The LaTeX Companion".
I have the first edition and have found it pretty useful. I hear
that a second edition has just been released.

A useful starting point for online info is the TeX FAQ at

http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html

There's a nice list of books at

http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=books

Another good source of information is comp.text.tex, both the group
itself and Google's archive.

Hope this helps ....

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Yvan Loranger

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Jun 25, 2004, 9:58:48 AM6/25/04
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> I'm considering that, either directly or in XML converted to LaTex via
> XSLT. The later has the advantage that I can automatically convert it
> to clean HTML. The only real problem is that some places want it in m$
> word format, but I can probably use OpenOffice to convert or generate
> RTF[1] and give it a .doc extension.

In case it escaped you: use OpenOffice to convert to Word .doc

Juhan Leemet

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Jun 25, 2004, 3:09:39 AM6/25/04
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:31:10 -0300, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In <6aaf28e6.04061...@posting.google.com>, on 06/15/2004
> at 11:09 AM, ago...@yahoo.com (linuxuser) said:
>> For my resume, I have tried a few things.
>>Indeed sgml is ok, but I find the typesetting of low quality. For me,
>>the best is the good old Latex...
>
> I'm considering that, either directly or in XML converted to LaTex...
> ...some places want it in m$ word format...

What about creating a .pdf document? That should be readable on all
systems. I've been applying for some jobs recently. Most have their own
forms package for you to fill in your details (so their robot can file it
in the roung bin). Some have asked for an e-mail with an attached resume,
and some of these were *nix sites. What to do? I send them a .pdf file.

> ...Tex markup ...LaTex?

I should also look into these. I've heard good things.

--
Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 27, 2004, 3:48:27 PM6/27/04
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In <cbhbgv$nli$2...@freenet9.carleton.ca>, on 06/25/2004

at 09:58 AM, bq...@freenet.carleton.ca (Yvan Loranger) said:

>In case it escaped you: use OpenOffice to convert to Word .doc

Whoops! That oversight is a bit embarrassing, since I used StarOffice
to convert to .doc and it's basically the same program :-(

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 27, 2004, 3:46:24 PM6/27/04
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In <2k26dtF...@uni-berlin.de>, on 06/25/2004

at 08:35 AM, blm...@myrealbox.com said:

>There is a second edition of Lamport's book (for LaTeX 2e as opposed
>to the older LaTeX 2.09), and it's worth having, but it doesn't cover
>the bewildering array of add-on packages that you probably should
>know about to use LaTeX effectively.

A-W sells a package set that includes Lamport's 2nd edition and three
Companion books, but the LaTex Companion in that set is the first
edition. I don't know whether they have or will update it.

>A book that describes a lot of the add-ons is "The LaTeX Companion".
>I have the first edition and have found it pretty useful. I hear
>that a second edition has just been released.

I saw it on the shelves; it has a February 2004 copywright. Do you
know whether it replaces the LaTex Graphics Companion and the LaTex
Web Companion?

>A useful starting point for online info is the TeX FAQ at
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html
>There's a nice list of books at
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=books

Thanks.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 27, 2004, 3:41:29 PM6/27/04
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In <pan.2004.06.25....@logicognosis.com>, on 06/25/2004

at 05:09 AM, Juhan Leemet <ju...@logicognosis.com> said:

>What about creating a .pdf document?

That would be the worst of all possible worlds. The places that ask
for a specific format usually do so because they want to edit it, and
PDF is not a revisable format.

>That should be readable on all systems.

I've quite frequently gotten PDF files that I couldn't read.

>Most have their own forms package for you to fill in your details

The one's that I've seen have a control for attaching an existing file
plus a window into which you can past free-form text.

Christopher Browne

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Jun 27, 2004, 8:33:46 PM6/27/04
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In the last exciting episode, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
> In <pan.2004.06.25....@logicognosis.com>, on 06/25/2004
> at 05:09 AM, Juhan Leemet <ju...@logicognosis.com> said:
>
>>What about creating a .pdf document?
>
> That would be the worst of all possible worlds. The places that ask
> for a specific format usually do so because they want to edit it, and
> PDF is not a revisable format.

For resumes, that's exactly the reason why I would _prefer_ PDF to
other formats that headhunter types could mess around with...

>>That should be readable on all systems.
>
> I've quite frequently gotten PDF files that I couldn't read.

Ones generated from LaTeX form tend to produce pretty compatible
PDF...
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Ambarish Sridharanarayanan

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Jun 28, 2004, 2:11:45 AM6/28/04
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[Follow-up set to colm]

In article <40db724e$11$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>, Shmuel


(Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> Kirk Strauser suggested the "res" class if I use LaTex; I need to
> chase down the documentation. Do you know whether Lamport ever updated
> his original book to cover later enhancements? Alternatively, what is
> a good dead tree to get started with?

I use "A Guide to LaTeX" by Kopka and Daly; other sources are mentioned
in

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/26/1746237

--
Ambarish

blm...@myrealbox.com

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Jun 28, 2004, 12:34:28 PM6/28/04
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In article <40df3220$8$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>,

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>In <2k26dtF...@uni-berlin.de>, on 06/25/2004
> at 08:35 AM, blm...@myrealbox.com said:
>
>>There is a second edition of Lamport's book (for LaTeX 2e as opposed
>>to the older LaTeX 2.09), and it's worth having, but it doesn't cover
>>the bewildering array of add-on packages that you probably should
>>know about to use LaTeX effectively.
>
>A-W sells a package set that includes Lamport's 2nd edition and three
>Companion books, but the LaTex Companion in that set is the first
>edition. I don't know whether they have or will update it.
>
>>A book that describes a lot of the add-ons is "The LaTeX Companion".
>>I have the first edition and have found it pretty useful. I hear
>>that a second edition has just been released.
>
>I saw it on the shelves; it has a February 2004 copywright. Do you
>know whether it replaces the LaTex Graphics Companion and the LaTex
>Web Companion?

My guess is that it does not, but I don't know for sure and am too
trifling to do some research on Amazon.com right now ....

[ snip ]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Jun 29, 2004, 8:05:54 AM6/29/04
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In <2k97baF...@uni-berlin.de>, on 06/28/2004

at 12:33 AM, Christopher Browne <cbbr...@acm.org> said:

>Ones generated from LaTeX form tend to produce pretty compatible
>PDF...

On arbitrary releases of Acrobat, or only on the latest and greatest?

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