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Pete
May 8, 2013, 6:31:34 PM5/8/13
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Who's going to adopt it??
Sioux C. Queue
May 8, 2013, 6:55:18 PM5/8/13
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On 05/08/2013 02:31 PM, Pete wrote:
> Who's going to adopt it??
Thank you for your detailed explanation of the problem(s) you encountered. It
> Who's going to adopt it??
was almost as useful as the people who called me, I worked as a sysadmin, and
when I walked up they waved their hands randomly over the keyboard and said, "it
doesn't work right!" Which is why, towards the end, I was locked away in the
basement and not allowed to talk to people on the phone.
Pete
May 8, 2013, 7:47:49 PM5/8/13
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Aragorn
May 8, 2013, 11:25:16 PM5/8/13
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On Thursday 09 May 2013 00:55, Sioux C. Queue conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.suse...
Welcome to the New & Improved Society Model, as described in the article
in the link below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
;-)
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
alt.os.linux.suse...
in the link below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
;-)
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
Sioux C. Queue
May 9, 2013, 12:23:02 AM5/9/13
to
On 05/08/2013 07:25 PM, Aragorn wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
I have to admit it, I've watched that movie. The introduction, to me, was
better than the movie, to each his own. But like the premise of the movie, I
have relatives that need to take up a new hobby. Interestingly enough I saw
that in DVD form at a store either yesterday or the day before. I suspect that
Pete thinks I was kidding, I really did work in a vault in the basement and
while not specifically ordered not to answer the phone, it was politely inferred.
Oh well, to drag this kicking and screaming to something somewhat on
topic...Fiddled around with BOINC again tonight. Finally said phooey and
removed it. SETI@home worked fine as a command-line application, ran it in bg
with the max nice value for a long time that way, back probably when I was
running RedHat. They upgraded the software and I gave up on it. Not every
installation runs X, or in one instance here has a keyboard/mouse/monitor. I do
everything I need to do on it via the network.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
I have to admit it, I've watched that movie. The introduction, to me, was
better than the movie, to each his own. But like the premise of the movie, I
have relatives that need to take up a new hobby. Interestingly enough I saw
that in DVD form at a store either yesterday or the day before. I suspect that
Pete thinks I was kidding, I really did work in a vault in the basement and
while not specifically ordered not to answer the phone, it was politely inferred.
Oh well, to drag this kicking and screaming to something somewhat on
topic...Fiddled around with BOINC again tonight. Finally said phooey and
removed it. SETI@home worked fine as a command-line application, ran it in bg
with the max nice value for a long time that way, back probably when I was
running RedHat. They upgraded the software and I gave up on it. Not every
installation runs X, or in one instance here has a keyboard/mouse/monitor. I do
everything I need to do on it via the network.
Aragorn
May 9, 2013, 1:58:04 AM5/9/13
to
On Thursday 09 May 2013 06:23, Sioux C. Queue conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.suse...
> On 05/08/2013 07:25 PM, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
>
> I have to admit it, I've watched that movie.
So have I. ;-) I don't remember when it was anymore, but I suspect it
was somewhere within a timespan of the last five years or so.
> The introduction, to me, was better than the movie, to each his own.
The movie itself, /as/ a movie, was somewhat entertaining, albeit also
somewhat predictable. As a /message/ however, I found it worthwhile,
but at the same time I'm also painfully aware of how our present day
society has already long surpassed the point of intellectual devolution
where this message would still be seen as /being/ a message, let alone
understood.
> [...] I suspect that Pete thinks I was kidding, I really did work in a
also had no problem accepting for true that this is indeed what you have
experienced in that particular employment. I have personally
experienced loads of idiocy myself, both in employment and in dealing
with supposedly specialized IT companies.
> [...] SETI@home worked fine as a command-line application, ran
Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
joke. It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel
- not to mention that those beings might themselves very well exist in a
different quantum definition of what constitutes matter [1] - will not
be communicating through relativistically speed-limited and hard-to-
focus radio waves.
That said, there /was/ one instance in the past where SETI picked up
something unusual - it is still being referred to as "the Wow! Signal"
[2] - but the detection could not be duplicated and was therefore
discarded as being of any significance. [3]
[1] Or otherwise put, they might be what is commonly misworded as
"interdimensional". As in "existing beyond the boundaries of
the physical reality as humans perceive it".
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wow!_Signal
[3] It is in the best interest of our corporately structured financial-
economical society and its balance of political, military, religious
and economic power that the people of this planet remain in the dark
about the existence of intelligent lifeforms outside of Earth's
atmosphere and 3+1-dimensional spacetime reality. SETI keeps them
looking in the wrong direction and will never offer confirmation,
nor denial. Media censorship and public ridicule - with or without
official debunking of UFO reports worse in coherence than the
initial UFO witness/contactee/abductee testimonies - make sure that
the issue remains in the fringes. Countless proven-authentic
photographs and video footage as well as whistleblower testimonies
from various branches of governments and militaries all over the
world tell an entirely different story, though.
alt.os.linux.suse...
> On 05/08/2013 07:25 PM, Aragorn wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
>
> I have to admit it, I've watched that movie.
was somewhere within a timespan of the last five years or so.
> The introduction, to me, was better than the movie, to each his own.
somewhat predictable. As a /message/ however, I found it worthwhile,
but at the same time I'm also painfully aware of how our present day
society has already long surpassed the point of intellectual devolution
where this message would still be seen as /being/ a message, let alone
understood.
> [...] I suspect that Pete thinks I was kidding, I really did work in a
> vault in the basement and while not specifically ordered not to answer
> the phone, it was politely inferred.
I too suspect that this was Pete's impression, but at the same time I
> the phone, it was politely inferred.
also had no problem accepting for true that this is indeed what you have
experienced in that particular employment. I have personally
experienced loads of idiocy myself, both in employment and in dealing
with supposedly specialized IT companies.
> [...] SETI@home worked fine as a command-line application, ran
> it in bg with the max nice value for a long time that way, back
> probably when I was running RedHat. [...]
Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
joke. It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel
- not to mention that those beings might themselves very well exist in a
different quantum definition of what constitutes matter [1] - will not
be communicating through relativistically speed-limited and hard-to-
focus radio waves.
That said, there /was/ one instance in the past where SETI picked up
something unusual - it is still being referred to as "the Wow! Signal"
[2] - but the detection could not be duplicated and was therefore
discarded as being of any significance. [3]
[1] Or otherwise put, they might be what is commonly misworded as
"interdimensional". As in "existing beyond the boundaries of
the physical reality as humans perceive it".
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wow!_Signal
[3] It is in the best interest of our corporately structured financial-
economical society and its balance of political, military, religious
and economic power that the people of this planet remain in the dark
about the existence of intelligent lifeforms outside of Earth's
atmosphere and 3+1-dimensional spacetime reality. SETI keeps them
looking in the wrong direction and will never offer confirmation,
nor denial. Media censorship and public ridicule - with or without
official debunking of UFO reports worse in coherence than the
initial UFO witness/contactee/abductee testimonies - make sure that
the issue remains in the fringes. Countless proven-authentic
photographs and video footage as well as whistleblower testimonies
from various branches of governments and militaries all over the
world tell an entirely different story, though.
Mike Easter
May 9, 2013, 12:13:17 PM5/9/13
to
Aragorn wrote:
> Sioux
>> [...] SETI@home worked fine as a command-line application, ran
>> it in bg with the max nice value for a long time that way, back
>> probably when I was running RedHat. [...]
>
> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
> joke.
Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
> It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
> advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel
> - not to mention that those beings might themselves very well exist in a
> different quantum definition of what constitutes matter [1] - will not
> be communicating through relativistically speed-limited and hard-to-
> focus radio waves.
You seem to be confusing UFOlogy with SETI. Our culture's
electromagnetic radiation has reached some light years into space, but
/we/ have not overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel.
Whether or not some advanced society some much larger number of light
years away uses or used in the past any electromagnetic communication
that radiated this way is a matter of conjecture.
It is much easier to say in the present that SETI hasn't found
much/anything than it was to say that in the beginning that it wouldn't.
One might hypothesize about whether or not SETI is 'worthwhile' because
of its many limitations in the same way one hypothesizes the many
elements and rationale of the Fermi paradox, that the hypothesis of
there being intelligent life somewhere is belied by the (so far) lack of
observational evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
--
Mike Easter
> Sioux
>> [...] SETI@home worked fine as a command-line application, ran
>> it in bg with the max nice value for a long time that way, back
>> probably when I was running RedHat. [...]
>
> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
> joke.
> It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
> advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel
> - not to mention that those beings might themselves very well exist in a
> different quantum definition of what constitutes matter [1] - will not
> be communicating through relativistically speed-limited and hard-to-
> focus radio waves.
electromagnetic radiation has reached some light years into space, but
/we/ have not overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel.
Whether or not some advanced society some much larger number of light
years away uses or used in the past any electromagnetic communication
that radiated this way is a matter of conjecture.
It is much easier to say in the present that SETI hasn't found
much/anything than it was to say that in the beginning that it wouldn't.
One might hypothesize about whether or not SETI is 'worthwhile' because
of its many limitations in the same way one hypothesizes the many
elements and rationale of the Fermi paradox, that the hypothesis of
there being intelligent life somewhere is belied by the (so far) lack of
observational evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
--
Mike Easter
Wade Jenkins
May 9, 2013, 12:46:33 PM5/9/13
to
Mike Easter wrote:
> You seem to be confusing UFOlogy with SETI. Our culture's
> electromagnetic radiation has reached some light years into space, but
> /we/ have not overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel.
You are wrong, that radiation already is turned into white noise.
> You seem to be confusing UFOlogy with SETI. Our culture's
> electromagnetic radiation has reached some light years into space, but
> /we/ have not overcome the limitations of relativistic space travel.
Aragorn
May 9, 2013, 1:14:23 PM5/9/13
to
On Thursday 09 May 2013 18:13, Mike Easter conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.suse...
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises -
>> is a joke.
>
> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
Only in the eye of the beholder, when the beholder is an uninformed
member of a censored-media-controlled society. There were already
people "in the know" long before SETI was started.
>> It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
>> advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space
>> travel - not to mention that those beings might themselves very well
>> exist in a different quantum definition of what constitutes matter
>> [1] - will not be communicating through relativistically
>> speed-limited and hard-to- focus radio waves.
>
> You seem to be confusing UFOlogy with SETI.
No, I'm not. One simply cannot take the search for extraterrestrial
intelligence seriously while dismissing thousands of reports about
anything from UFO sightings over to close encounters of the fourth kind
and beyond as defined by J. Allen Hynek - who himself started off as a
(USAF-hired) debunker but later on admitted that he had been wrong and
presumptuous in all of his debunking attempts.
> Our culture's electromagnetic radiation has reached some light years
> into space, but /we/ have not overcome the limitations of relativistic
> space travel.
>
> Whether or not some advanced society some much larger number of light
> years away uses or used in the past any electromagnetic communication
> that radiated this way is a matter of conjecture.
And just as useless to present day society as the hypotheses on whether
there may or may not ever have been microbial life on Mars a couple of
million years ago.
> It is much easier to say in the present that SETI hasn't found
> much/anything than it was to say that in the beginning that it
> wouldn't.
See what I wrote a few paragraphs higher up. SETI was intended to let
the people believe that the scientific community is actively searching
for the answer to a question which was already answered before the
search began.
> One might hypothesize about whether or not SETI is 'worthwhile'
> because of its many limitations in the same way one hypothesizes the
> many elements and rationale of the Fermi paradox, that the hypothesis
> of there being intelligent life somewhere is belied by the (so far)
> lack of observational evidence.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
I am perfectly aware of the Fermi paradox, but it too is based upon a
naive trust in mainstream media coverage and government reports, or
rather, the lack thereof.
The solution to the Fermi paradox is very simple: The reason why "we
haven't seen /them/ yet" is because their existence is constantly and
categorically being denied by governments and embargoed/ridiculed in the
corporately controlled mainstream media, even if they were to show up
under people's noses. It's not a question of whether they exist or not,
but of whether you want to be ridiculed for the rest of your life or
not.
There is a prejudice (by policy) that anyone who reports having had
contact with extra-terrestrial beings is by definition labeled a kook or
a liar - and the amount of fake UFO videos on YouTube certainly isn't
helping the cause - and no mainstream newspaper or television network is
ever going to adopt a different stance, even though in 1990 or so, we
had our local air force scramble two F-16 fighters in pursuit of what
could not otherwise be described than as a craft that could not have
been of this world. And it wasn't a weather balloon, a projection, a
mass hallucination, an ULM, an SR-71 or an F-117 or B2, a weather
phenomenon or swamp gas either. Oh, and it was also being covered live
on TV, in prime time, albeit that no TV crew managed to capture a
glimpse of the actual ship. That would have been too much of a stretch,
as it would probably have meant that there wasn't enough time left to
show the sports news of the day and still make it in time for the
advertisement block and the daily soap opera episode.
The ship was monitored on radar, both in several military airfield
towers - one of which (in the Netherlands) was under NATO control - and
in both of the jets, and was visually perceived (and photographed) -
actually, there were two of them - by civilians, police officers and
military personnel. The ships were also capable of instant acceleration
from simple hovering to supersonic speeds, without any sonic boom or
other sounds, and were capable of making right-angle turns at high
speed. Nine combat radar lock attempts were made by the two jets, and
only two effective locks were attained, but the ship broke free from
both of those through its very "erratic" maneuvers and incredible
acceleration and deceleration. Our air force was open and official in
its report, and the radar footage was shown on the news later that
evening.
If that thing was man-made, then one could wonder why the hell we're
still using fossil fuel or nuclear energy, and why we're launching
unsuspecting astronauts into space at the risk of their lives with their
buttocks strapped to a huge bomb assembled from components made by the
lowest bidders. And therein lies a very interesting debate in and of
itself, because according to whistleblowers, the Anglo-Saxon countries
(led by the USA) have already been in possession of this exotic
technology for the past 60 years, through the reverse-engineering of
actual extra-terrestrial ships which had crash-landed here or were shot
down, as well as through the work of Nikola Tesla, which was confiscated
by the CIA immediately after Tesla's death.
Ben Rich, former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works division, has openly
stated...:
"We have the technology to travel among the stars. Anything you
see on Star Trek, we've already done. And the [US] Air Force has
just commissioned us to take ET home again."
alt.os.linux.suse...
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises -
>> is a joke.
>
> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
member of a censored-media-controlled society. There were already
people "in the know" long before SETI was started.
>> It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
>> advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space
>> travel - not to mention that those beings might themselves very well
>> exist in a different quantum definition of what constitutes matter
>> [1] - will not be communicating through relativistically
>> speed-limited and hard-to- focus radio waves.
>
> You seem to be confusing UFOlogy with SETI.
intelligence seriously while dismissing thousands of reports about
anything from UFO sightings over to close encounters of the fourth kind
and beyond as defined by J. Allen Hynek - who himself started off as a
(USAF-hired) debunker but later on admitted that he had been wrong and
presumptuous in all of his debunking attempts.
> Our culture's electromagnetic radiation has reached some light years
> into space, but /we/ have not overcome the limitations of relativistic
> space travel.
>
> Whether or not some advanced society some much larger number of light
> years away uses or used in the past any electromagnetic communication
> that radiated this way is a matter of conjecture.
there may or may not ever have been microbial life on Mars a couple of
million years ago.
> It is much easier to say in the present that SETI hasn't found
> much/anything than it was to say that in the beginning that it
> wouldn't.
the people believe that the scientific community is actively searching
for the answer to a question which was already answered before the
search began.
> One might hypothesize about whether or not SETI is 'worthwhile'
> because of its many limitations in the same way one hypothesizes the
> many elements and rationale of the Fermi paradox, that the hypothesis
> of there being intelligent life somewhere is belied by the (so far)
> lack of observational evidence.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
naive trust in mainstream media coverage and government reports, or
rather, the lack thereof.
The solution to the Fermi paradox is very simple: The reason why "we
haven't seen /them/ yet" is because their existence is constantly and
categorically being denied by governments and embargoed/ridiculed in the
corporately controlled mainstream media, even if they were to show up
under people's noses. It's not a question of whether they exist or not,
but of whether you want to be ridiculed for the rest of your life or
not.
There is a prejudice (by policy) that anyone who reports having had
contact with extra-terrestrial beings is by definition labeled a kook or
a liar - and the amount of fake UFO videos on YouTube certainly isn't
helping the cause - and no mainstream newspaper or television network is
ever going to adopt a different stance, even though in 1990 or so, we
had our local air force scramble two F-16 fighters in pursuit of what
could not otherwise be described than as a craft that could not have
been of this world. And it wasn't a weather balloon, a projection, a
mass hallucination, an ULM, an SR-71 or an F-117 or B2, a weather
phenomenon or swamp gas either. Oh, and it was also being covered live
on TV, in prime time, albeit that no TV crew managed to capture a
glimpse of the actual ship. That would have been too much of a stretch,
as it would probably have meant that there wasn't enough time left to
show the sports news of the day and still make it in time for the
advertisement block and the daily soap opera episode.
The ship was monitored on radar, both in several military airfield
towers - one of which (in the Netherlands) was under NATO control - and
in both of the jets, and was visually perceived (and photographed) -
actually, there were two of them - by civilians, police officers and
military personnel. The ships were also capable of instant acceleration
from simple hovering to supersonic speeds, without any sonic boom or
other sounds, and were capable of making right-angle turns at high
speed. Nine combat radar lock attempts were made by the two jets, and
only two effective locks were attained, but the ship broke free from
both of those through its very "erratic" maneuvers and incredible
acceleration and deceleration. Our air force was open and official in
its report, and the radar footage was shown on the news later that
evening.
If that thing was man-made, then one could wonder why the hell we're
still using fossil fuel or nuclear energy, and why we're launching
unsuspecting astronauts into space at the risk of their lives with their
buttocks strapped to a huge bomb assembled from components made by the
lowest bidders. And therein lies a very interesting debate in and of
itself, because according to whistleblowers, the Anglo-Saxon countries
(led by the USA) have already been in possession of this exotic
technology for the past 60 years, through the reverse-engineering of
actual extra-terrestrial ships which had crash-landed here or were shot
down, as well as through the work of Nikola Tesla, which was confiscated
by the CIA immediately after Tesla's death.
Ben Rich, former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works division, has openly
stated...:
"We have the technology to travel among the stars. Anything you
see on Star Trek, we've already done. And the [US] Air Force has
just commissioned us to take ET home again."
Mike Easter
May 9, 2013, 2:55:35 PM5/9/13
to
beyond our heliopause, in outer space, ie interstellar space.
Voyager 1 is probably/ apparently/ in that outer/interstellar space
after 35 years of travel.
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
May 9, 2013, 3:03:30 PM5/9/13
to
Aragorn wrote:
>Mike Easter
are a lot of problems with the concept of proper investigation and
consequently it hasn't been done properly by the debunkers or by the
enthusiasts or by the several Blue Book iterations.
I believe that the right kind of interviews should be done and
sensationalism somehow eliminated or mitigated.
I don't share your conspiracy theories...
> Ben Rich, former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works division, has openly
> stated...:
>
> "We have the technology to travel among the stars. Anything you
> see on Star Trek, we've already done. And the [US] Air Force has
> just commissioned us to take ET home again."
... or your exotic secret advanced tech theories.
I believe that the secrets which are being kept from the public are
modest compared to what you are believing.
--
Mike Easter
>Mike Easter
>> Aragorn wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises -
>>> is a joke.
>>
>> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
>
> Only in the eye of the beholder, when the beholder is an uninformed
> member of a censored-media-controlled society. There were already
> people "in the know" long before SETI was started.
>
>>> It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
>>> advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space
>>> travel - not to mention that those beings might themselves very well
>>> exist in a different quantum definition of what constitutes matter
>>> [1] - will not be communicating through relativistically
>>> speed-limited and hard-to- focus radio waves.
>>
>> You seem to be confusing UFOlogy with SETI.
>
> No, I'm not. One simply cannot take the search for extraterrestrial
> intelligence seriously while dismissing thousands of reports about
> anything from UFO sightings over to close encounters of the fourth kind
> and beyond as defined by J. Allen Hynek - who himself started off as a
> (USAF-hired) debunker but later on admitted that he had been wrong and
> presumptuous in all of his debunking attempts.
I believe/ feel/ that UFO reports deserve proper investigation. There
>>
>>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises -
>>> is a joke.
>>
>> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
>
> Only in the eye of the beholder, when the beholder is an uninformed
> member of a censored-media-controlled society. There were already
> people "in the know" long before SETI was started.
>
>>> It's intended as a red herring, because intelligent beings
>>> advanced enough to overcome the limitations of relativistic space
>>> travel - not to mention that those beings might themselves very well
>>> exist in a different quantum definition of what constitutes matter
>>> [1] - will not be communicating through relativistically
>>> speed-limited and hard-to- focus radio waves.
>>
>> You seem to be confusing UFOlogy with SETI.
>
> No, I'm not. One simply cannot take the search for extraterrestrial
> intelligence seriously while dismissing thousands of reports about
> anything from UFO sightings over to close encounters of the fourth kind
> and beyond as defined by J. Allen Hynek - who himself started off as a
> (USAF-hired) debunker but later on admitted that he had been wrong and
> presumptuous in all of his debunking attempts.
are a lot of problems with the concept of proper investigation and
consequently it hasn't been done properly by the debunkers or by the
enthusiasts or by the several Blue Book iterations.
I believe that the right kind of interviews should be done and
sensationalism somehow eliminated or mitigated.
I don't share your conspiracy theories...
> Ben Rich, former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works division, has openly
> stated...:
>
> "We have the technology to travel among the stars. Anything you
> see on Star Trek, we've already done. And the [US] Air Force has
> just commissioned us to take ET home again."
I believe that the secrets which are being kept from the public are
modest compared to what you are believing.
--
Mike Easter
Wade Jenkins
May 9, 2013, 3:09:38 PM5/9/13
to
Mike Easter wrote:
> By what? We are currently intelligently communicating with a craft
> beyond our heliopause, in outer space, ie interstellar space.
By collision with many things, including Background Radiation (CMBR)
> By what? We are currently intelligently communicating with a craft
> beyond our heliopause, in outer space, ie interstellar space.
> Voyager 1 is probably/ apparently/ in that outer/interstellar space
> after 35 years of travel.
and dissipate.
Mike Easter
May 9, 2013, 3:28:17 PM5/9/13
to
signals from space; pulsars, quasars and the entire bailiwick of
radiotelescopy that isn't 'disintegrated' into nothingness by the such
as the CMBR.
Even the magnetospheres of distant planets are 'readable'.
You'll have to explain your opinion better if you want to project your
point. So far I think that one can only say that such interference has
to be 'dealt with' or considered in the rationale of such as SETI or
that of sending interstellar messages from earth such as Probe SETI.
--
Mike Easter
Wade Jenkins
May 9, 2013, 3:31:36 PM5/9/13
to
specific. What you call "Our culture's electromagnetic radiation" is at
best omnidirectional low power that turns over into White Noise very fast.
Wade Jenkins
May 9, 2013, 3:36:21 PM5/9/13
to
Mike Easter wrote:
> You'll have to explain your opinion better if you want to project your
> point. So far I think that one can only say that such interference has
> to be 'dealt with' or considered in the rationale of such as SETI or
> that of sending interstellar messages from earth such as Probe SETI.
It simply depends on power and directionality. Plus you are talking about
> You'll have to explain your opinion better if you want to project your
> point. So far I think that one can only say that such interference has
> to be 'dealt with' or considered in the rationale of such as SETI or
> that of sending interstellar messages from earth such as Probe SETI.
EM radiation from radio/TV cellphones etc. The visible light has more
energy (momentum) then the sub-visible EM (kindergarten knowledge).
You mix things together, use your brain!
bad sector
May 9, 2013, 8:40:13 PM5/9/13
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and "I hit RETURN but the thing won't kiss me" :-)
We were all just in front of the linux doorway sometime, dummer than all
fuck about anything related
I certainly remember when happy as pig in shit with my Amiga I read this
on a Compuserve forum I think
"I just run slackware linux on my 486 pc clone and get everything else
for free also right off the net"
At THAT time that statement included several unknowns for me
- 486
- slakware
- linux
- pc
- clone
- internet
Sioux C. Queue
May 9, 2013, 9:24:26 PM5/9/13
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On 05/09/2013 04:40 PM, bad sector wrote:
> the thing is that we are all somewhere on the continuum between gurudom and "I
> hit RETURN but the thing won't kiss me" :-)
True, I remember that also. Like the first time I sat down in front of a TV and
> the thing is that we are all somewhere on the continuum between gurudom and "I
> hit RETURN but the thing won't kiss me" :-)
it had a blinking cursor plus something called CP/M on it.
But as I aged I became less tolerant of people calling me at 2am, waking me, the
wife, two dogs, and a cat, to tell me the clock on the screen was wrong. Only
to hear me explain, as politely as was possible, that the application didn't
update the on screen clock until you changed screens. That's just the way it
was written by the contractor and had always worked that way since we installed
it several years before. I heard a few clicks and they said "Uhhh, right".
Aragorn
May 10, 2013, 1:20:38 AM5/10/13
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On Thursday 09 May 2013 21:03, Mike Easter conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.suse...
Blue Book, like the Warren Commission and the 9/11 Commission, was an
effort at coming to a documented conclusion which was already drawn up
before the investigation was started. They steered the investigation by
saying what should and what should not be investigated, so that the
report would look exactly like what they wanted it to look.
> I believe that the right kind of interviews should be done and
> sensationalism somehow eliminated or mitigated.
Look into Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. As it just so happens
to be, there was a gathering the past weekend of people from the
Disclosure Project - headed by Steven Bassett - with former members of
Congress who had themselves been somehow involved with UFO research
and/or sightings.
So far, the US Congress has still refused to hear out Steven Greer's
200+ expert witnesses from the military, air traffic control, NASA, CIA
and other US government-related organizations, and the first Disclosure
Project conference was held in 2001.
> I don't share your conspiracy theories...
>
>> Ben Rich, former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works division, has
>> openly stated...:
>>
>> "We have the technology to travel among the stars. Anything you
>> see on Star Trek, we've already done. And the [US] Air Force has
>> just commissioned us to take ET home again."
>
> ... or your exotic secret advanced tech theories.
There is ample evidence. Besides, the US government - which seems to be
the one government most closely associated with debunking and secrecy -
has already engaged in covert operations against its own people - MK-
Ultra, for instance - and in lying to its own people - the Gulf of
Tonkin incident, the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, etc.
Who, in their right mind, would still believe these people?
> I believe that the secrets which are being kept from the public are
> modest compared to what you are believing.
I'm afraid that's a very naive vantage. Plus that this is not a matter
of beliefs, but a matter of information leaking out through
whistleblowers, and the extent to which the US government is willing to
go to silence them.
You may also want to look into the Gary McKinnon case. He's a British
hacker who stumbled upon a list of (and I quote) "non-terrestrial
officers" and a list of US Navy vessels whose names all start with
"USSS" and who are not to be found on any other list of US Navy ships.
alt.os.linux.suse...
effort at coming to a documented conclusion which was already drawn up
before the investigation was started. They steered the investigation by
saying what should and what should not be investigated, so that the
report would look exactly like what they wanted it to look.
> I believe that the right kind of interviews should be done and
> sensationalism somehow eliminated or mitigated.
to be, there was a gathering the past weekend of people from the
Disclosure Project - headed by Steven Bassett - with former members of
Congress who had themselves been somehow involved with UFO research
and/or sightings.
So far, the US Congress has still refused to hear out Steven Greer's
200+ expert witnesses from the military, air traffic control, NASA, CIA
and other US government-related organizations, and the first Disclosure
Project conference was held in 2001.
> I don't share your conspiracy theories...
>
>> Ben Rich, former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works division, has
>> openly stated...:
>>
>> "We have the technology to travel among the stars. Anything you
>> see on Star Trek, we've already done. And the [US] Air Force has
>> just commissioned us to take ET home again."
>
> ... or your exotic secret advanced tech theories.
the one government most closely associated with debunking and secrecy -
has already engaged in covert operations against its own people - MK-
Ultra, for instance - and in lying to its own people - the Gulf of
Tonkin incident, the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, etc.
Who, in their right mind, would still believe these people?
> I believe that the secrets which are being kept from the public are
> modest compared to what you are believing.
of beliefs, but a matter of information leaking out through
whistleblowers, and the extent to which the US government is willing to
go to silence them.
You may also want to look into the Gary McKinnon case. He's a British
hacker who stumbled upon a list of (and I quote) "non-terrestrial
officers" and a list of US Navy vessels whose names all start with
"USSS" and who are not to be found on any other list of US Navy ships.
PowderedToastMan
May 11, 2013, 8:58:48 PM5/11/13
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On Thu, 09 May 2013 09:13:17 -0700, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid>
wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
>> joke.
>
>Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
"SETI" was ALL "at home".
It was a distributed process engine. Home PCs were REQUIRED.
Official premises? It was/is on the Berkley campus.
wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
>> joke.
>
>Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
It was a distributed process engine. Home PCs were REQUIRED.
Official premises? It was/is on the Berkley campus.
Mike Easter
May 11, 2013, 10:00:44 PM5/11/13
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PowderedToastMan wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> <Aragon's cite>
>>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
>>> joke.
>>
>> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
>
>
> "SETI" was ALL "at home".
>
> It was a distributed process engine. Home PCs were REQUIRED.
>
> Official premises? It was/is on the Berkley campus.
SETI unqualified/unspecified refers to a lot of different pieces and
parts of the program, interests, projects, and League.
SETI@home specified was SETI@home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti The search for extraterrestrial
intelligence (SETI) is the collective name for a number of activities
people undertake to search for intelligent extraterrestrial life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI@home SETI@home ("SETI at home") is an
Internet-based public volunteer computing project employing the BOINC
software platform, hosted by the Space Sciences Laboratory, at the
University of California, Berkeley,
--
Mike Easter
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> <Aragon's cite>
>>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
>>> joke.
>>
>> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
>
>
> "SETI" was ALL "at home".
>
> It was a distributed process engine. Home PCs were REQUIRED.
>
> Official premises? It was/is on the Berkley campus.
parts of the program, interests, projects, and League.
SETI@home specified was SETI@home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti The search for extraterrestrial
intelligence (SETI) is the collective name for a number of activities
people undertake to search for intelligent extraterrestrial life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI@home SETI@home ("SETI at home") is an
Internet-based public volunteer computing project employing the BOINC
software platform, hosted by the Space Sciences Laboratory, at the
University of California, Berkeley,
--
Mike Easter
PowderedToastMan
May 11, 2013, 11:37:32 PM5/11/13
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On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:00:44 -0700, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid>
wrote:
>PowderedToastMan wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> <Aragon's cite>
>
>>>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
>>>> joke.
>>>
>>> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
>>
>>
>> "SETI" was ALL "at home".
>>
>> It was a distributed process engine. Home PCs were REQUIRED.
>>
>> Official premises? It was/is on the Berkley campus.
>
>SETI unqualified/unspecified refers to a lot of different pieces and
>parts of the program, interests, projects, and League.
Of course.
The Reference which was made in this segment of the thread was about
the @home parcel pre-process engine segment, where folks all over the
world pre-process parcels of "SETI data". Then, the computer and
supercomputers at Berkeley re-arrange the pre-processed parcels
chronologically, and post process those data parcels with much greater
ease (time wise) than would otherwise be possible.
We are the original 'multi-core' processor.
wrote:
>PowderedToastMan wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> <Aragon's cite>
>
>>>> Unfortunately, SETI - whether at home or at its official premises - is a
>>>> joke.
>>>
>>> Idiocracy was a joke. SETI was/is/ has been/ a rational project.
>>
>>
>> "SETI" was ALL "at home".
>>
>> It was a distributed process engine. Home PCs were REQUIRED.
>>
>> Official premises? It was/is on the Berkley campus.
>
>SETI unqualified/unspecified refers to a lot of different pieces and
>parts of the program, interests, projects, and League.
The Reference which was made in this segment of the thread was about
the @home parcel pre-process engine segment, where folks all over the
world pre-process parcels of "SETI data". Then, the computer and
supercomputers at Berkeley re-arrange the pre-processed parcels
chronologically, and post process those data parcels with much greater
ease (time wise) than would otherwise be possible.
We are the original 'multi-core' processor.
Mike Easter
May 12, 2013, 12:22:23 AM5/12/13
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PowderedToastMan wrote:
> The Reference which was made in this segment of the thread was about
> the @home parcel pre-process engine segment, where folks all over the
> world pre-process parcels of "SETI data". Then, the computer and
> supercomputers at Berkeley re-arrange the pre-processed parcels
> chronologically, and post process those data parcels with much greater
> ease (time wise) than would otherwise be possible.
>
> We are the original 'multi-core' processor.
Yes. Sioux introduced SETI@home; then Aragorn attacked SETI in general.
> The Reference which was made in this segment of the thread was about
> the @home parcel pre-process engine segment, where folks all over the
> world pre-process parcels of "SETI data". Then, the computer and
> supercomputers at Berkeley re-arrange the pre-processed parcels
> chronologically, and post process those data parcels with much greater
> ease (time wise) than would otherwise be possible.
>
> We are the original 'multi-core' processor.
The thread has caused me to discover that Berkeley radio astronomy labs
as of 2012 Apr has divested itself of the management of the ATA Allen
Telescope Array and other Hat Creek resources in favor of SRI's
management, which SRI Stanford Research Institute also manages Arecibo
and a host of other projects.
http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/04/13/uc-berkeley-passes-management-of-allen-telescope-array-to-sri/
--
Mike Easter
Sioux C. Queue
May 12, 2013, 1:36:01 AM5/12/13
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On 05/11/2013 08:22 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Yes. Sioux introduced SETI@home; then Aragorn attacked SETI in general.
Yeah, and I'm sorry I did. Now can anyone tell me how to get the BOINC crud
> Yes. Sioux introduced SETI@home; then Aragorn attacked SETI in general.
working? I failed so completely that I'm not sure I was even doing stuff in the
correct order.
P.S.
The BOINC stuff is used for other stuff, like cancer research IIRC. Since I
know two people right now, one recovering from stomach cancer, and the other
with terminal brain cancer, I considered that option. I've got 2 computers
sitting around here running 24X7 with over 90% of that time spent twiddling
their thumbs.
Aragorn
May 12, 2013, 2:26:42 AM5/12/13
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On Sunday 12 May 2013 05:37, PowderedToastMan conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.suse...
Don't you mean "supercomputer"? :-)
alt.os.linux.suse...
Wade Jenkins
May 12, 2013, 2:39:01 AM5/12/13
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Sioux C. Queue wrote:
> P.S.
> The BOINC stuff is used for other stuff, like cancer research IIRC.
> Since I know two people right now, one recovering from stomach cancer,
> and the other with terminal brain cancer, I considered that option.
> I've got 2 computers sitting around here running 24X7 with over 90% of
> that time spent twiddling their thumbs.
What a waste of time and bandwidth. You have no idea what your computer is
> P.S.
> The BOINC stuff is used for other stuff, like cancer research IIRC.
> Since I know two people right now, one recovering from stomach cancer,
> and the other with terminal brain cancer, I considered that option.
> I've got 2 computers sitting around here running 24X7 with over 90% of
> that time spent twiddling their thumbs.
working on. Plus, you make those parasites rich, they taking patents - you
doing the work. Stupidity got pretty amazing this days!
Aragorn
May 12, 2013, 4:46:02 AM5/12/13
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On Sunday 12 May 2013 08:39, Wade Jenkins conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.suse...
You, Sir, are a cynic. Excellent. Keep up the good work. :-)
CYNIC, n.:
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as
they ought to be.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Indeed, we are living in a society where the sheep double as cogwheels
inside the very machine that was built to slaughter them in the first
place. How viciously efficient. <grin>
alt.os.linux.suse...
CYNIC, n.:
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as
they ought to be.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Indeed, we are living in a society where the sheep double as cogwheels
inside the very machine that was built to slaughter them in the first
place. How viciously efficient. <grin>
Mike Easter
May 12, 2013, 9:17:47 AM5/12/13
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Sioux C. Queue wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Yes. Sioux introduced SETI@home; then Aragorn attacked SETI in general.
>
> Yeah, and I'm sorry I did. Now can anyone tell me how to get the BOINC
> crud working? I failed so completely that I'm not sure I was even doing
> stuff in the correct order.
I don't have the ware installed, nor do I have an opensuse live in front
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Yes. Sioux introduced SETI@home; then Aragorn attacked SETI in general.
>
> Yeah, and I'm sorry I did. Now can anyone tell me how to get the BOINC
> crud working? I failed so completely that I'm not sure I was even doing
> stuff in the correct order.
of me right now, but I see the software in my Mint repos and I see
articles about using it in suse and others.
http://suseroot.com/suse-linux-tweaks/seti.php SUSE Linux Adventures
-> SETI@home
The link in that article to the download site is bent/broken, but I just
migrated to the parent and searched for seti and got this page
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Linux Some Linux
distributions (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo, possibly others) have
BOINC packages that you can install using your your distro's package
manager. If you want to use the packages from repositories, take into
account that there are two packages that can be installed separately,
one for BOINC Client and another for BOINC Manager. Only the client part
is required but you will likely want to install the manager as well
unless you intend to manage the client from a remote host.
Then I would be following the instructions for the Ub install
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu
> P.S.
> The BOINC stuff is used for other stuff, like cancer research IIRC.
> Since I know two people right now, one recovering from stomach cancer,
> and the other with terminal brain cancer, I considered that option.
> I've got 2 computers sitting around here running 24X7 with over 90% of
> that time spent twiddling their thumbs.
Mike Easter
DrTeeth
May 12, 2013, 11:07:32 AM5/12/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:36:21 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
herb, Wade Jenkins <waj...@yahoo.com> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
> The visible light has more
>energy (momentum) then the sub-visible EM (kindergarten knowledge).
>
>You mix things together, use your brain!
Pot...kettle.
herb, Wade Jenkins <waj...@yahoo.com> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
> The visible light has more
>energy (momentum) then the sub-visible EM (kindergarten knowledge).
>
>You mix things together, use your brain!
--
Cheers,
DrT
** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.
Wade Jenkins
May 12, 2013, 11:09:20 AM5/12/13
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DrTeeth wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:36:21 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
> herb, Wade Jenkins <waj...@yahoo.com> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>
>> The visible light has more
>>energy (momentum) then the sub-visible EM (kindergarten knowledge).
>>
>>You mix things together, use your brain!
>
> Pot...kettle.
Idiot.
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:36:21 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
> herb, Wade Jenkins <waj...@yahoo.com> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>
>> The visible light has more
>>energy (momentum) then the sub-visible EM (kindergarten knowledge).
>>
>>You mix things together, use your brain!
>
> Pot...kettle.
PowderedToastMan
May 12, 2013, 11:20:10 AM5/12/13
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participated in that 'thing'.
In review of the remark, however, I can see that it has a truer, deeper
meaning. You got it right.
*WE* are the original supercomputer!
(to use your term (correctly so), and reference the right animal).
And this is, of course, considering that "*WE*" refers to ourselves
sans any knowledge of whether or not it is indeed a fact at the universal
level.
This is all Earth, rocky crag in space human arrogance level stuff.
But I think we are doing pretty good, when one considers how deep the
corner of his brain Einstein must have dug that stuff of his up out of...
or that of others ' brains since (and before).
I just like to shot pool and invoke awe in others as to my prowess and
knowledge of the coefficient of friction between a 2.25" Belgian billiard
ball and a good quality felt cloth topped slate table bed.
Then, there's the tip of my... stick. ;-)
MrTallyman
May 12, 2013, 11:20:50 AM5/12/13
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Mike Easter
May 12, 2013, 12:08:38 PM5/12/13
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Sioux C. Queue wrote:
> The BOINC stuff is used for other stuff, like cancer research IIRC.
> Since I know two people right now, one recovering from stomach cancer,
> and the other with terminal brain cancer, I considered that option.
> I've got 2 computers sitting around here running 24X7 with over 90% of
> that time spent twiddling their thumbs.
Here's a page of BOINC projects with links to more
> The BOINC stuff is used for other stuff, like cancer research IIRC.
> Since I know two people right now, one recovering from stomach cancer,
> and the other with terminal brain cancer, I considered that option.
> I've got 2 computers sitting around here running 24X7 with over 90% of
> that time spent twiddling their thumbs.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php Choosing BOINC projects
If you follow the links at that one, you can find medicine, cancer, life
sciences, protein related.
--
Mike Easter
Norman Hull
May 13, 2013, 3:57:10 AM5/13/13
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problems look to you like nails. When you are convinced that the colour you
are seeing is lack it will remain black to you regardless of the
views/testimony of others.
You cannot unconvince a conspiracy theorist - to them, that makes you part
of the conspiracy
--
Norman
If at first you don't succeed - give someone else a go
Norman Hull
May 13, 2013, 8:52:24 AM5/13/13
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Pete wrote:
> Who's going to adopt it??
Those who have systems that connect to the internet :-)
> Who's going to adopt it??
Seriously, I have never experienced problems with installs of any SuSE from
6.4 onwards on a motley collection of hardware.
If you really ARE having problems give some details and I will try to help.
If you are yet another Microsoft stooge trying to pretend that Linux is no
better than Windows 0x46 you
Pete
May 13, 2013, 4:27:15 PM5/13/13
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On 05/13/2013 08:52 AM, Norman Hull wrote:
> Pete wrote:
>
>> Who's going to adopt it??
> Those who have systems that connect to the internet :-)
>
> Seriously, I have never experienced problems with installs of any SuSE from
> 6.4 onwards on a motley collection of hardware.
>
> If you really ARE having problems give some details and I will try to help.
>
> If you are yet another Microsoft stooge trying to pretend that Linux is no
> better than Windows 0x46 you
>
Thanks for your offer. I found the answer after trying many things:
> Pete wrote:
>
>> Who's going to adopt it??
> Those who have systems that connect to the internet :-)
>
> Seriously, I have never experienced problems with installs of any SuSE from
> 6.4 onwards on a motley collection of hardware.
>
> If you really ARE having problems give some details and I will try to help.
>
> If you are yet another Microsoft stooge trying to pretend that Linux is no
> better than Windows 0x46 you
>
"...After your 12.3 install completes. Go to Yast > Network Devices >
Network Settings and reverse the radio button to: User Controlled with
NetworkManager..."
I now love this distro.
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DrTeeth
May 21, 2013, 2:44:13 PM5/21/13
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On Sun, 12 May 2013 15:09:20 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take
>Idiot.
Pot...kettle again. When you are in a hole...stop digging.
>Idiot.
Pot...kettle again. When you are in a hole...stop digging.
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