Message from Patrick V. 1-13-2005
Al. C
As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time.... just
chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on anything
Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked that I post
the following to the a.o.l.s group.
Al Canton, President
Adams-Blake Company, Inc.
Fair Oaks, CA
http://www.jaya123.com
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Hey all concerned folks,
I'd rather keep my silence, but I guess it's just not that easy. For one
thing, I've heard some rumors of takeover plans recently. Any folks
thinking of mounting a takeover effort could work with Vector or one of
the existing Slackware forks. If they "take over", it won't be Slackware,
it will be another Slackware fork. The only people chartered by me to be
issuing Slackware fixes while I'm recovering are Piter Punk, Bruno, and
the GUS group in Brazil, and in the unlikely event that I leave this
planet unexpectedly, they will be in charge of Slackware. Slackware has
been my baby for a large part of my life, and I'm still devoted to the
folks that use it. It is also my only livelihood. I would humbly ask for
patience, as I intend to be back at it, and I have bills to pay (more so
than usual, and with the 10.1 release so delayed the cash won't last
forever), but I am not looking for handouts. Instead, send your extra
money to a tsunami fund like Oxfam, or to the UN Humanitarian fund, or any
good charity tsumani-related or not. Project Open Hand and Seva are two
other wonderful organizations that need your money much more than I do.
Please consider this.
However, when Slackware 10.1 does release, I will be most grateful to
those who find it worthy of their continued support, and choose to pick up
a copy from us. :-)
I'm not looking for attention, and don't want to be a Slashdot story again
or anything like that. In fact, I've stopped reading that site because I
tend to let the trolls get to me (whether it's about me or not). It
reminds me too much of grade-school-style torment. Something I once read
on a site about Kempo (a martial-arts practice):
"Those of our ways are kind to all creatures, for hurtful thoughts are
quiet draining and aren't worth the loss of energy."
This is true, and I find it hard to control my own thoughts when reading
that site, and so it's best to let it out of my life for now. I'm
thankful for the site though, and for some people it's a great place to
hang out. I like nearly all the people there, but need to stay away for
now to conserve my energy and keep my balance.
That said, I clearly have to say something, because I know there's some
turmoil occuring out there in Slackware-land. And it's not that I want to
keep people in the dark, or that I knew something but wasn't telling (at
least not until recently). I made the choice to go public with this in
mid-November as what I perceived as a last effort to see if the medical
community could help me regain my health, and so of course the public is
interested in what's going on and many feel they are entitled to know.
Understand that posting about my health is not a hobby I enjoy (regardless
of how it may have looked last year. ;-) The most common query I'm
getting is "what did it turn out to be?", and well, if that was known I'd
have said something. It's still an unknown. I know that it is not HIV or
Syphilus. It is also quite unlikely that it's cancer, as I've had
numerous CT and X-ray studies that don't show such things, and it responds
to some antibiotics (but not others). Also, it's not in my head (as some
have suggested.) I'm under the care of my long-time (5 years) physician
here in California and he also thinks it's bacterial, but we don't know
what bacteria. I have not yet been tested for Lyme, and that's being seen
as more of a possibility since I have camped in the woods of New York
state (the #1 Lyme state by a huge margin) for a week or so every summer
since 1998. The usual tests for Lyme are notoriously unreliable (see
seronegative Lyme), and we may look into a newer DNA based test.
Understand that this is still just another guess, though, and it could
easily be something else. My doctor says that I need to see an infectious
disease specialist and has given me a referral to see one on 2/2. This
will be the second ID specialist I've seen.
So, what new information do I have? Well, I already mentioned in November
that I suffered from severe pleuritic chest pain (and X-rays later showed
a thickening of the pleura), followed about a week later by pericarditis
(confirmed by the typical ECG S-ST elevation, and it went through the
usual stages in later ECG tests). The doctors suspected that it was
viral, but although many antibiotics did nothing for me, Amox, Amox/Clav,
Penicillin-VK, and 24 hours of Penicillin G IV all improved my condition
(given some time to start working), and ceasing the antibiotics always
resulted in a relapse beginning a few days later and slowly worsening.
As a result, I was kept on Amox/Clav for a while. I ran out on 12/23, and
most of the doctors I'd seen in the midwest felt that would be enough to
get rid of just about any bacterial infection (assuming from my previous
improvement on some antibiotics that it was one). It amounted to about 5
weeks of amox/clav following a week or so of plain amoxicillin. Around
this time I had a checkup with my doctor here and got a normal ECG, and
felt better. A little bit of residual pain, but nothing too severe. By
then I'd put in the ChangeLog that I was feeling better and had started to
try to catch up on Slackware things that had fallen behind.
Anyway, time to cut to the chase. A week or so later the chest pain began
to come back, but quite slowly. I saw my doctor again after noting an
elevated resting pulse (around 80, where it was normally 55 before any of
this really began in October). Otherwise I seemed to be in better shape.
My weight was up to 150 pounds, in fact. He thought we should wait a week
to see if the pain was just some after effects that would go away, and I
agreed that seemed reasonable. Going back in the amox/clav was not big on
my TODO list, as the side effects can be pretty bad. Meanwhile, I'd been
eliminating everything unhealthy that I could think of from my lifestyle
hoping to get my natural immune system to finish off whatever bugs might
(or might not) remain, eating a primarily vegetarian diet with no coffee
or soda, drinking lots of water, and avoiding sugar. In spite of this, it
wasn't enough to cure me. I saw him again at the beginning of this year,
doing somewhat worse but it was decided to wait it out a little longer.
By a few days ago I had almost no energy, I was looking at a resting pulse
over 110, and was finding it hard to make it up (or down) the stairs (even
one slow step at a time), and waking up sweating and short of breath
again. These symptoms built up slowly and steadily since the last week of
December. I went back to the doctor again, who put me on Zithromax (a
macrolide antibiotic, which is a class the "shotgun" hadn't been loaded
with yet), and after a couple of days of that I have a resting pulse of
70, and less pain (except for my stomach, which the pills aren't too kind
on). It's no miracle yet, though (and I wouldn't expect one after just a
couple of days). However, it does seem to be working fast (about as well
as the brief Pen G IV in November did). My hope is that the ID guy will
be able to get a handle on this and that we'll know what it is and what
the best treatment is. Otherwise, if they have to keep guessing at what
to do, I hope to get a sufficient treatment to finish this off (if this
is, in fact, some strange bacteria), since every failed treatment may make
the infection more antibiotic resistant. Some of the other possibilities
doctors have mentioned would be a tough row to hoe (like heart failure due
to a virus). I'm long through trying to figure out what this is myself,
but I'm happy that it seems to be responding to Zithromax and that my
cardiac function is improving.
Well, that's about it. Didn't want to "go there" again, and I'm not
requesting help. This is just in response to the many concerned people
who are emailing me, and to try to set the record straight so that rumors
of my imminent demise from cancer (or something else) do not abound. I've
been asked to make another comment, so now I have.
Thanks for bearing with me through this, and to everyone who has helped,
listened, or offered advice. Also, special thanks this time to someone
named David from Etobicoke, Ontario who I would love to hear from via
phone or email. The nutritional advice you mailed to me was great.
Peace,
Pat
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~kurt
> 1-13-2005
> As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time.... just
> chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on anything
> Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked that I post
> the following to the a.o.l.s group.
Thanks for the post. I think it is pretty understandable that he is over
some of the initial panic and now would rather not continue talking about
it with the world now that he is making progress until the problem is
resolved. I'm sure a lot of us have been in similar situations.
- Kurt
ray
raoul
>
> Thanks for the post. I think it is pretty understandable that he is over
> some of the initial panic and now would rather not continue talking about
> it with the world now that he is making progress until the problem is
> resolved. I'm sure a lot of us have been in similar situations.
>
> - Kurt
True, though I have met an awful lot of people who are just waiting for
the chance to tell you about their most recent surgery, illness, reaction
to medicine, etc.
But I'm with you -- I'm really glad to get an update. It sounds as if
things are generally moving in the right direction, though his recovery is
slower than I'm sure he or anyone else had wanted.
Franklin
> 1-13-2005
> As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time.... just
> chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on anything
> Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked that I post
> the following to the a.o.l.s group.
>
> Al Canton, President
> Adams-Blake Company, Inc.
> Fair Oaks, CA
> http://www.jaya123.com
>
><snipped message>
Al, do you think it would be OK to repost this at the linuxquestions.org
site as it is listed as the official slackware web forum. I would be
happy to do so, but will not unless I have the OK. It will most likely
happen anyway, but I am not going to do so unless I can be assured it is
what PV would want.
Good to hear something. I felt he might still be ill based on lack of
activity.
regards
Franklin
Franklin
Never mind, a link has been posted allready.
+Alan Hicks+
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In alt.os.linux.slackware, Al. C dared to utter,
> 1-13-2005
> As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time.... just
> chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on anything
> Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked that I post
> the following to the a.o.l.s group.
Pat also asked me to pass this reply around. It's not GPG signed, so if
you don't trust me feel free to ask Pat yourself. Pat was also in ##slackware
on irc.freenode.net today. Everyone had a good discussion with him.
We've talked it over and he could use some help maintaining 10.0 and
earlier, so the guys of SlackSec and GUS are going to start working
together again to do that.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:04:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "Patrick J. Volkerding" <volk...@slackware.com>
To: Alan Hicks <al...@lizella.net>
Subject: Re: SlackSec
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Alan Hicks wrote:
> Howdy, glad to hear from you again.
>
> A friend of mine fired a log file of your conversation in ##slackware
> the other day over to me. A good read, which cleared something up for
> me. You never got/read the e-mail we who did SlackSec sent you.
>
> 16:32 <+volkerdi> well, I'd already designated Bruno, Piter, and
> friends to be in charge of that. Slacksec never even bothered to email
> me...
>
> Back on the 17th of November I sent you an e-mail entitled "Slackware
> Security Updates". In it I mentioned that we wanted to do something
> like the GUS-Br project for while you were out.
Ouch. I am _so_ sorry! I guess there's a reason I stay off of IRC, and
that's largely because while being questioned from so many different
angles I tend to suffer foot-in-mouth disease.
> I don't write 'cause I want some sort of acknowledgment or anything. I
> simply write because I don't want you to have the wrong impression of
> us. We started work almost immediately after your "blog" was
> published, because we'd have to do those sort of things for ourselves,
> so why not go the extra mile an make it public? We'd not heard of GUS
> and when you wrote to say to use their packages we began to work
> together with them. I must say that Piter and Bruno are very
> intelligent people, blessed with an abundance of Clue and patience.
> Working with them was fun.
Thanks for clearing that up. I understand how that could have happened,
since GUS isn't all that well known, although they've been working closely
with me for years. I'm happy to hear that you're working together with
them... I was still under the impression that various splinter groups
were working in isolation from each other, and of course we have known
each other a long time and I trust that you also grok the Slackware
philosophy. Again, please accept my humble apologies for the
misunderstanding, and spread the word. With all that's been going on I've
been far too out of the loop, and I'm still trying to catch up. I found
your original email, which I now remember reading (but didn't reply to)
from the 17th of Novemeber almost right after the original post went up
from me. At that time I was in some bad shape and getting several hundred
emails a day, but that's still not a decent excuse. You guys have been
doing a good thing, and the Christmas card you point together on your site
really touched me. I hope it's still there because I still haven't read
everything that was posted...
> I just don't want you or anyone else to think that we at SlackSec were
> trying to somehow subvert the Slackware community or take away your
> job, and I think you know me well enough to know I wouldn't do such a
> thing.
Absolutely, and as far as that goes I didn't think SlackSec was after a
take over. In fact, like I said, I'm more than a little distracted and
out of touch with things for the last couple of months, and my condition
has been a lot of that since day to day I'm not sure my ticker will keep
ticking, and I've wondered where all of this will end up. Please pardon
my ignorance. I should have known better. SlackSec is a true friend of
Slackware, and I don't know how I managed to get that confused. Really, I
just didn't want to think that some kind of "turf wars" were about to
ensue, and don't know how I arrived at a place where I would have uttered
such an untrue statement on IRC. You did write to me about this (most
kindly), and I forgot. I hope you will forgive me.
Very best regards,
Pat
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Dan C
> As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time....
> just chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on
> anything Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked
> that I post the following to the a.o.l.s group.
Thanks for that info, Al. Very nice to read some actual facts after
trying to sort out the secretive self-important hinting from a certain Mr.
Hicks... I'm sure you've made him very jealous!
--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951
+Alan Hicks+
Alan Hicks
188 Shady Dale Dr
Lizella, GA 31052
478-935-8132
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In alt.os.linux.slackware, Al. C dared to utter,
> 1-13-2005
> As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time.... just
> chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on anything
> Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked that I post
> the following to the a.o.l.s group.
Pat also asked me to pass this reply around. It's not GPG signed, so if
darkcamel
It is great to hear you are doing better!
I have no problem waiting for another release until you are better. I,
being a fellow NoDak understand that you have to take care of yourself
before you can truly help others. I applaud the Slackware community
for picking up the 'slack'(no pun intended) while you are taking care
of yourself.
Pat, get some rest and get better soon!
Daniel
n3th3...@yahoo.com
glad that he is improving. We would like some future for
Slackware. I have a lot to learn even if there isn't much help
at times.
Plenty of trolling though, well, sometimes atleast. I would like
to see a duel between Alan Hicks and Realto Margarino tho'. I
can imagine Alan wanting to beat the living crap out of Realto,
even tho' Alan could use a lesson in manners and civility.
Peace and hope Slackware will be around for a while.
+Alan Hicks+
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In alt.os.linux.slackware, darkcamel dared to utter,
> I have no problem waiting for another release until you are better.
10.1 is right around the corner. pat wants to fix udev, some other
package I can't recall, and get 2.6.10 out of /testing, then he'll
release 10.1. At least that's what he told us in ##slackware today.
- --
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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+Alan Hicks+
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In alt.os.linux.slackware, n3th3...@yahoo.com dared to utter,
> Doesn't appear that Pat reads this newsgroup.
Indeed he doesn't to the best of my knowledge. If his heart's not great
he shouldn't read this group. :^)
> I would like
> to see a duel between Alan Hicks and Realto Margarino tho'.
I think I'd beat the snot outta him. ;-) Oh I know the troll's gonna
bite on that one!
> I
> can imagine Alan wanting to beat the living crap out of Realto,
> even tho' Alan could use a lesson in manners and civility.
Peace and civility is a quality one can ill afford on usenet at times.
As for trolls like Realto, "cast not ye pearl before the swine". Now I
_know_ he's going to respond to that. Sorry guys, shouldn't be troll
baiting like this.
> Peace and hope Slackware will be around for a while.
Count on it.
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It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
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Ecclesiastes 7:5
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Al. C
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:22:34 +0000, Al. C wrote:
>
>> As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time....
>> just chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on
>> anything Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked
>> that I post the following to the a.o.l.s group.
>
> Thanks for that info, Al. Very nice to read some actual facts after
> trying to sort out the secretive self-important hinting from a certain Mr.
> Hicks... I'm sure you've made him very jealous!
>
Jealous? Of me? I doubt it. There is a difference between Hicks and myself.
Hicks really KNOWS Linux. I don't know bubkes. (But I doubt that Hicks knows
what bubkes means.... and I do... so that has some value, I think!) :=)
Al C.
+Alan Hicks+
Alan Hicks
188 Shady Dale Dr
Lizella, GA 31052
478-935-8132
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In alt.os.linux.slackware, darkcamel dared to utter,
> I have no problem waiting for another release until you are better.
10.1 is right around the corner. pat wants to fix udev, some other
package I can't recall, and get 2.6.10 out of /testing, then he'll
release 10.1. At least that's what he told us in ##slackware today.
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Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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> In alt.os.linux.slackware, darkcamel dared to utter,
>> I have no problem waiting for another release until you are better.
>
> 10.1 is right around the corner. pat wants to fix udev, some other
> package I can't recall, and get 2.6.10 out of /testing, then he'll
> release 10.1. At least that's what he told us in ##slackware today.
>
How could he do that, without all the security fixes which still have to
be merged in -current?
+Alan Hicks+
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In alt.os.linux.slackware, Al. C dared to utter,
> Jealous? Of me? I doubt it. There is a difference between Hicks and myself.
> Hicks really KNOWS Linux. I don't know bubkes. (But I doubt that Hicks knows
> what bubkes means.... and I do... so that has some value, I think!) :=)
Google knows. :^)
And give yourself more credit Al. You're a book publisher, I'm a
network engineer. Just having to work in that environment means I'll
learn things that I otherwise wouldn't be exposed to. Naturally I know
bubkes about book publishing. Just the same, I think that mini-HOWTO
you sent my way is pretty good.
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Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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reclusive monkey
read the log here;
reclusive monkey
:-S
+Alan Hicks+
Alan Hicks
188 Shady Dale Dr
Lizella, GA 31052
478-935-8132
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unixfool
The full day's log is at
http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/slackware.log.14Jan2005 and Pat
enters the channel at 0845 EST. He actually has two conversations and
the second time he enters the channel is at 1351 EST.
Enjoy.
--unixfool
unixfool
The full day's log is at
unixfool
The full day's log is at
~kurt
Well, talk about a guy who is devoted to putting out a good product. Pat
said getting 10.1 out would be helpful for the bills, but:
"I'll starve for a while if it's just not ready"
- Kurt
The Eighth Doctor
r...@justlinux.nope.ca says...
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>> In alt.os.linux.slackware, Al. C dared to utter,
>>> Jealous? Of me? I doubt it. There is a difference between Hicks and myself.
>>> Hicks really KNOWS Linux. I don't know bubkes. (But I doubt that Hicks
knows
>>> what bubkes means.... and I do... so that has some value, I think!) :=)
>>
>> Google knows. :^)
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5l4bx
>>
>> And give yourself more credit Al. You're a book publisher, I'm a
>> network engineer. Just having to work in that environment means
>> I'll
>
>designation that you have not earned.
>
>Fuck off, Hicks. You're a legend in your own mind alone. You
>might impress the Al C's of the world but the rest of us have you
>pegged.
>
>You're trash.
>
>cordially, even to pure garbage,
>
>rm
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Hello from the Eighth Doctor
Lay off!!! Your the one's turning into something even Kessel would turn down! Mr.
Hicks has been turning out good advice, and even better advice far longer then your
idiotic posts have been cluttering up the servers.
I think your jealous of the fact that he spends his days, and probably his nights
epoxying networks together, and only the Maker knows what you do. Heck! Even
I'm leaning in that direction, but I have enough professional respect to grok that Mr.
Hicks knows enough about that area of technology to be polite and not make stupid
comments.
Besides, I'm not even going to dignify your next post with an even ruder response.
----
Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot net
"This signature doesn't like people with little self respect!"
~kurt
>
>
> Besides, I'm not even going to dignify your next post with an even ruder response.
I guess you haven't noticed rm is simply a pathetic troll. He will say
anything to get a response of any kind from someone. Just ignore him.
- Kurt
prodigal1
> Hello from the Eighth Doctor
<snip>
troll-feeders may have to be bozo-binned too
please...stop feeding the village idiot
The Eighth Doctor
Then its a consensus. I will abide by your requests. But I was thoroughly annoyed
by the troll's stupid remarks. They make the ones from Tolkien and Ibsen, sound
like good people, even though they were not.
Done! No more responses, unless necessary.
----
Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot net
"This signature says, "Duh!"."
notbob
> Then its a consensus. I will abide by your requests. But I was thoroughly annoyed
> by the troll's stupid remarks.
If you were using a better newsreader, you would not be bothered by his
postings. The only way I see them anymore is by those who respond to his(?)
crap.
nb
Thrasher - The Anonymous Remailer
> his postings. The only way I see them anymore is by those who
> respond to his(?) crap.
That's just an outright lie.
cordially, as always,
rm
The Eighth Doctor
says...
someone who's from the Evil Empire. I also prefer it to the one included with
Netscape. And besides I've had this copy running since dialup days. Anyway I
rarely pay any attention to that troll, except when he really makes himself look like a
target for his own stupidity, which happened earlier in this thread.
---
Gregg drwho8 atsign att dot net
nikko
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> +Alan Hicks+ <al...@lizella.network> trolled:
>
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>>In alt.os.linux.slackware, Al. C dared to utter,
>>
>>>As some of you know, Patrick V. and I correspond from time to time.... just
>>>chat... nothing technical... so I have no "insider info" on anything
>>>Slackware. I received a note from him this evening and he asked that I post
>>>the following to the a.o.l.s group.
>>
>
>
> status. The letter has been passed around and you had nothing to
> do with it. The letter didn't go to you - it went to Al C. And
> your access to the letter was the same as everybody else's -
> through this ng.
>
> You're a joke. But nobody is laughing.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
>
would you just die already? you are as big of a fucktard as has ever
existed on usenet.
notbob
> would you just die already? you are as big of a fucktard as has ever
> existed on usenet.
Would you just killfile him so the rest of us who have already done so don't
have to wade through the detritus of his posts?
nb
lrut...@member.fsf.org
I used to be a normal person before I discovered Linux 5 years ago now. Now
I'm a Linux addict. I swiped my buddy's copy of Slackware 7.something, and a
month later I was dialed into the net on my Slackware box :) That was a fun
month, involving lots of coffee, beer, cigarettes, reading documentation, and
screwing things up.
I'm sure your diagnosis will be sorted out soon and your recovery will be
quick. My sister was down to 85 pounds before she was diagnosed with Crones
years ago, it's the worst kind of waiting game seeking an accurate diagnosis
for something wasting you.
Live long and prosper Pat,
Lincoln
Cichlidiot
> I'm sure your diagnosis will be sorted out soon and your recovery will be
> quick. My sister was down to 85 pounds before she was diagnosed with Crones
> years ago, it's the worst kind of waiting game seeking an accurate diagnosis
> for something wasting you.
Damn, that even beats my weight (90-95lbs) before I got an accurate
diagnosis (combination of endometriosis which causes cysts and adhessions
near/around the intestines and food intolerances, makes for difficult and
painful eating if you eat the wrong thing and my family traditional
cooking has several wrong things in it). Let me guess, she had the "it's
all in your mind" or "you're anorexic" treatment by doctors for at least a
year before she found a doctor that took her seriously. It's really sad
how much some doctors will neglect doing even simple diagnostic tests when
they think it's all in your mind. This seems particularly true for certain
female reproductive disorders (endo symptoms are usually dismissed by
doctors until the woman is rendered infertile by the scar tissue and finds
out about it during the course of fertility treatment) or any person with
a chronic disease who winds up at the doctor's office often and has a
thick chart.
Althiom
distribution??
Althiom
Joost Kremers
> Does anyone know where I can download old copies of the slackware
> distribution??
<ftp://ftp.scarlet.be/pub/slackware/> goes back to version 1.1.2.
--
Joost Kremers joostk...@yahoo.com
Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
EN:SiS(9)
Ciro The Spider-Man
>
>
> Realto Margarino wrote:
[drivelectomy]
>
> would you just die already? you are as big of a fucktard as has ever
> existed on usenet.
While not untrue, the BI of this post is getting kind of high. Just
killfile the twit and stop feeding it.
--
"It is best for man to be middle-wise,
Not over cunning and clever:
The learned man whose lore is deep
Is seldom happy at heart." -- The Havamal