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jo...@wexfordpress.com
Dec 19, 2011, 11:38:01 AM12/19/11
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I have avoided upgrading past Firefox 3.6.3 because I don't like the
new Firefox layout. However some upgrade to 3.6.3 has killed my
ability to add new bookmarks to my bookmark bar. So temporarily I am
switching to Sea Monkey.
I will also reinstall 3.6.3 to see if that helps.
Any other suggestions for a useful web client to work with Slackware?
John Culleton
new Firefox layout. However some upgrade to 3.6.3 has killed my
ability to add new bookmarks to my bookmark bar. So temporarily I am
switching to Sea Monkey.
I will also reinstall 3.6.3 to see if that helps.
Any other suggestions for a useful web client to work with Slackware?
John Culleton
Loki Harfagr
Dec 19, 2011, 1:31:38 PM12/19/11
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Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:38:01 -0800, jo...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
Firefox :D)
just in case your issue with "new Firefox layout" is about the
"tabs on top" "à la Chrome" dispute you may live happily by
reverting to the legacy layout by a right-click somewhere in
the GUI free areas and unselect 'tabs on top [x]'
if this mysterious layout affair is elsewhat maybe giving a
piece of the secret info would help?
All in all every full web browser around at the time is a revamp
of Seamonkey or FFox or Chromium or Opera.
But you also may like to try links, dillo and lynx if you
don't mind to see things other don't and to ignore a lot of noise :-)
just in case your issue with "new Firefox layout" is about the
"tabs on top" "à la Chrome" dispute you may live happily by
reverting to the legacy layout by a right-click somewhere in
the GUI free areas and unselect 'tabs on top [x]'
if this mysterious layout affair is elsewhat maybe giving a
piece of the secret info would help?
All in all every full web browser around at the time is a revamp
of Seamonkey or FFox or Chromium or Opera.
But you also may like to try links, dillo and lynx if you
don't mind to see things other don't and to ignore a lot of noise :-)
microsys
Dec 19, 2011, 3:27:33 PM12/19/11
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I have been using Seamonkey for ages with Slack. I played with Firefox until I
felt they had sold out. Once the easy control of cookies and other features
became more difficult or even non-existent in the way I wanted I stopped using
FireFox. Seamonkey has never failed me and I like the email/news integration
with the browser. Of particular interest to me are the page source and page info
resources. I don't remember Firefox having anything close.. ( I could be wrong ).
Seamonkey seems to follow the the 'kiss' principle and that by itself keeps me
happy. True enough I have offered no experience with other browsers which was
your original question and I make these comments to encourage you to give
Seamonkey a bit of airplay because it, in my opinion, is a good browser.
Like you, I am interested in hearing about other browsers in the event Seamonkey
goes the route Firefox has taken.
jo...@wexfordpress.com
Dec 19, 2011, 4:19:29 PM12/19/11
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On Dec 19, 1:31 pm, Loki Harfagr <l...@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID>
wrote:
> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:38:01 -0800, j...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
Thanks for your reply. My problems with Firefox are twofold. First the
new layout, with the "Home" button way on the right, is unnecessarily
clumsy.
Apparently you can move everything but that on Firefox 8.0. So I
created a new tab on the toolbar, named it "home" and inserted it on
the toolbar, with suitable URL of course.
But one problem wouldn't go away, even when I flushed the cache and
deleted cookies. When I sign on with my regional bank for online
banking, at some point of the
online banking process I get an error screen. This blows up on my
"old reliable" Firefox 3.6.3, on 4.0, and now on 8.01. But the same
process works ok on (ugh) Konqueror
and Seamonkey, Bending Seamonkey to my will is easier than the same
process on Firefox 8.01 etc.
This is Deja Vu all over again. KDE 4 is a bore and a chore, even in
"classic" mode. So now I live with XFCE which is nearer to KDE 3.5
than KDE 4. Kmail now comes up with
spurious Akonadi error messages. So now I use Claws-Mail, even though
the search feature is much weaker on Claws-Mail. As it said in an old
cartoon:
"Every time I find out where it's at, somebody moves it."
Hey, if I wanted Chrome I would have installed it. If the Firefox had
spent just half the effort they put into making 4.0 etc.
"customizable" into creating an alternatel 3.6.3-like interface
they could have saved themselves time and users grief. So at this
point they have lost me altogether, just as the KDE interface folk did
and the Kmail folk did.
Thank goodness for the little guys like XFCE, Claws-Mail and now Sea-
Monkey. The major Open Source players are losing their way, one by
one.
John Culleton
wrote:
> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:38:01 -0800, j...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
new layout, with the "Home" button way on the right, is unnecessarily
clumsy.
Apparently you can move everything but that on Firefox 8.0. So I
created a new tab on the toolbar, named it "home" and inserted it on
the toolbar, with suitable URL of course.
But one problem wouldn't go away, even when I flushed the cache and
deleted cookies. When I sign on with my regional bank for online
banking, at some point of the
online banking process I get an error screen. This blows up on my
"old reliable" Firefox 3.6.3, on 4.0, and now on 8.01. But the same
process works ok on (ugh) Konqueror
and Seamonkey, Bending Seamonkey to my will is easier than the same
process on Firefox 8.01 etc.
This is Deja Vu all over again. KDE 4 is a bore and a chore, even in
"classic" mode. So now I live with XFCE which is nearer to KDE 3.5
than KDE 4. Kmail now comes up with
spurious Akonadi error messages. So now I use Claws-Mail, even though
the search feature is much weaker on Claws-Mail. As it said in an old
cartoon:
"Every time I find out where it's at, somebody moves it."
Hey, if I wanted Chrome I would have installed it. If the Firefox had
spent just half the effort they put into making 4.0 etc.
"customizable" into creating an alternatel 3.6.3-like interface
they could have saved themselves time and users grief. So at this
point they have lost me altogether, just as the KDE interface folk did
and the Kmail folk did.
Thank goodness for the little guys like XFCE, Claws-Mail and now Sea-
Monkey. The major Open Source players are losing their way, one by
one.
John Culleton
Loki Harfagr
Dec 19, 2011, 5:40:17 PM12/19/11
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Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:19:29 -0800, jo...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
> On Dec 19, 1:31 pm, Loki Harfagr <l...@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID>
> wrote:
>> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:38:01 -0800, j...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
>>
>> > I have avoided upgrading past Firefox 3.6.3 because I don't like the
>> > new Firefox layout. However some upgrade to 3.6.3 has killed my
>> > ability to add new bookmarks to my bookmark bar. So temporarily I am
>> > switching to Sea Monkey.
>>
>> > I will also reinstall 3.6.3 to see if that helps.
>>
>> > Any other suggestions for a useful web client to work with Slackware?
>>
>> Firefox :D)
>>
>> just in case your issue with "new Firefox layout" is about the
>> "tabs on top" "à la Chrome" dispute you may live happily by
>> reverting to the legacy layout by a right-click somewhere in
>> the GUI free areas and unselect 'tabs on top [x]'
>>
>> if this mysterious layout affair is elsewhat maybe giving a
>> piece of the secret info would help?
>>
>> All in all every full web browser around at the time is a revamp
>> of Seamonkey or FFox or Chromium or Opera.
>> But you also may like to try links, dillo and lynx if you
>> don't mind to see things other don't and to ignore a lot of noise :-)
>
> Thanks for your reply. My problems with Firefox are twofold. First the
> new layout, with the "Home" button way on the right, is unnecessarily
> clumsy.
> Apparently you can move everything but that on Firefox 8.0.
Well, yes you can!-)
Although it is a bit contrived to do: right-click on the home button (or
its toolbar) select 'Customize', cut&drop the home button from its toolbar
into the 'Customize' panel then select the home icon where it landed in
that 'Customize' panel window and drop it in the toolbar at the very place
you want it to be seen, et voilà :-)
> So I
> created a new tab on the toolbar, named it "home" and inserted it on
> the toolbar, with suitable URL of course.
a correct userland workaround, nothing against it but, at least that time,
you still have the choice :-)
>
> But one problem wouldn't go away, even when I flushed the cache and
> deleted cookies. When I sign on with my regional bank for online
> banking, at some point of the
> online banking process I get an error screen. This blows up on my
> "old reliable" Firefox 3.6.3, on 4.0, and now on 8.01. But the same
> process works ok on (ugh) Konqueror
> and Seamonkey, Bending Seamonkey to my will is easier than the same
> process on Firefox 8.01 etc.
Well, that's the reason why I tend to use FFox for web 2.0 and favor
Seamonkey for real applications (work and banking for instance)
I've never ever met a site that at one moment didn't require another
browser than the one you were used to run ;D)
And, having been a code maker and a webmaster/conceptor at some early days
long ago I usually tend to blame the site webmaster/conceptor first and the
dev men right after, on the Web 2.0 there was a tremendous stormtrooping
of really bad, clumsy, unwitted web conceptors while on the dev side
it takes a longer time to replace a good team with a pail of dunces.
(I reckon that reading some C groups might give the willies and
deep vertigo to a frail mind and yes we can tremble for the time
they'll take some room and spread their nontools but until then...)
>
> This is Deja Vu all over again. KDE 4 is a bore and a chore, even in
> "classic" mode. So now I live with XFCE which is nearer to KDE 3.5
> than KDE 4. Kmail now comes up with
> spurious Akonadi error messages.
yup, K teams seem to have been hit by a tiny wave of these new kids
who have some dire urge to replace actual tools by shiny nickel-goldy
plated toys, they'll either make progress and calm down or disappear in
the scroogeeworld. Meanwhile make use of the tools that work, like
Claws-Mail :-)
> So now I use Claws-Mail, even though
> the search feature is much weaker on Claws-Mail.
I don't think so, the only lesser difference I've seen would be
that there's no 'global on all mailboxes' search but that's not a
big problem in most cases. Now, I admit that's now quite a time
since I ditched Kmail so I may mis-remember, what are the weakness
you've seen?
> As it said in an old
> cartoon:
> "Every time I find out where it's at, somebody moves it."
that's the Story of human peace of mind, well, and the story of my
piece of mind.
> Hey, if I wanted Chrome I would have installed it. If the Firefox had
> spent just half the effort they put into making 4.0 etc.
> "customizable" into creating an alternatel 3.6.3-like interface
> they could have saved themselves time and users grief. So at this
> point they have lost me altogether, just as the KDE interface folk did
> and the Kmail folk did.
agreed, mostly agreed :-)
>
> Thank goodness for the little guys like XFCE, Claws-Mail and now Sea-
> Monkey. The major Open Source players are losing their way, one by
> one.
I hope not, they should react and kick the bottom fairly soon now,
well, I hope so :D)
> On Dec 19, 1:31 pm, Loki Harfagr <l...@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID>
> wrote:
>> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:38:01 -0800, j...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
>>
>> > I have avoided upgrading past Firefox 3.6.3 because I don't like the
>> > new Firefox layout. However some upgrade to 3.6.3 has killed my
>> > ability to add new bookmarks to my bookmark bar. So temporarily I am
>> > switching to Sea Monkey.
>>
>> > I will also reinstall 3.6.3 to see if that helps.
>>
>> > Any other suggestions for a useful web client to work with Slackware?
>>
>> Firefox :D)
>>
>> just in case your issue with "new Firefox layout" is about the
>> "tabs on top" "à la Chrome" dispute you may live happily by
>> reverting to the legacy layout by a right-click somewhere in
>> the GUI free areas and unselect 'tabs on top [x]'
>>
>> if this mysterious layout affair is elsewhat maybe giving a
>> piece of the secret info would help?
>>
>> All in all every full web browser around at the time is a revamp
>> of Seamonkey or FFox or Chromium or Opera.
>> But you also may like to try links, dillo and lynx if you
>> don't mind to see things other don't and to ignore a lot of noise :-)
>
> Thanks for your reply. My problems with Firefox are twofold. First the
> new layout, with the "Home" button way on the right, is unnecessarily
> clumsy.
> Apparently you can move everything but that on Firefox 8.0.
Although it is a bit contrived to do: right-click on the home button (or
its toolbar) select 'Customize', cut&drop the home button from its toolbar
into the 'Customize' panel then select the home icon where it landed in
that 'Customize' panel window and drop it in the toolbar at the very place
you want it to be seen, et voilà :-)
> So I
> created a new tab on the toolbar, named it "home" and inserted it on
> the toolbar, with suitable URL of course.
you still have the choice :-)
>
> But one problem wouldn't go away, even when I flushed the cache and
> deleted cookies. When I sign on with my regional bank for online
> banking, at some point of the
> online banking process I get an error screen. This blows up on my
> "old reliable" Firefox 3.6.3, on 4.0, and now on 8.01. But the same
> process works ok on (ugh) Konqueror
> and Seamonkey, Bending Seamonkey to my will is easier than the same
> process on Firefox 8.01 etc.
Seamonkey for real applications (work and banking for instance)
I've never ever met a site that at one moment didn't require another
browser than the one you were used to run ;D)
And, having been a code maker and a webmaster/conceptor at some early days
long ago I usually tend to blame the site webmaster/conceptor first and the
dev men right after, on the Web 2.0 there was a tremendous stormtrooping
of really bad, clumsy, unwitted web conceptors while on the dev side
it takes a longer time to replace a good team with a pail of dunces.
(I reckon that reading some C groups might give the willies and
deep vertigo to a frail mind and yes we can tremble for the time
they'll take some room and spread their nontools but until then...)
>
> This is Deja Vu all over again. KDE 4 is a bore and a chore, even in
> "classic" mode. So now I live with XFCE which is nearer to KDE 3.5
> than KDE 4. Kmail now comes up with
> spurious Akonadi error messages.
who have some dire urge to replace actual tools by shiny nickel-goldy
plated toys, they'll either make progress and calm down or disappear in
the scroogeeworld. Meanwhile make use of the tools that work, like
Claws-Mail :-)
> So now I use Claws-Mail, even though
> the search feature is much weaker on Claws-Mail.
that there's no 'global on all mailboxes' search but that's not a
big problem in most cases. Now, I admit that's now quite a time
since I ditched Kmail so I may mis-remember, what are the weakness
you've seen?
> As it said in an old
> cartoon:
> "Every time I find out where it's at, somebody moves it."
piece of mind.
> Hey, if I wanted Chrome I would have installed it. If the Firefox had
> spent just half the effort they put into making 4.0 etc.
> "customizable" into creating an alternatel 3.6.3-like interface
> they could have saved themselves time and users grief. So at this
> point they have lost me altogether, just as the KDE interface folk did
> and the Kmail folk did.
>
> Thank goodness for the little guys like XFCE, Claws-Mail and now Sea-
> Monkey. The major Open Source players are losing their way, one by
> one.
well, I hope so :D)
Dario Niedermann
Dec 20, 2011, 9:44:20 AM12/20/11
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bat-shit crazy memory consumption as in more recent versions.
When I get really paranoid (Internet banking) I'll briefly use Opera,
which I rigorously keep up to date.
Note:
š I don't consider CVE-2010-2117 and CVE-2010-1990 (the only known
issues with FF3.0.19) to be serious vulnerabilities. YMMV.
--
> head -n1 /etc/*-{version,release} && uname -mprs
Slackware 12.1.0
Linux 2.6.24.5-smp i686 AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology MK-36
Peter Chant
Dec 20, 2011, 6:03:44 PM12/20/11
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jo...@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> But one problem wouldn't go away, even when I flushed the cache and
> deleted cookies. When I sign on with my regional bank for online
> banking, at some point of the
> online banking process I get an error screen. This blows up on my
> "old reliable" Firefox 3.6.3, on 4.0, and now on 8.01. But the same
> process works ok on (ugh) Konqueror
> and Seamonkey, Bending Seamonkey to my will is easier than the same
> process on Firefox 8.01 etc.
>
Do you have cookies turned off and noscript running on Firefox. I think
> But one problem wouldn't go away, even when I flushed the cache and
> deleted cookies. When I sign on with my regional bank for online
> banking, at some point of the
> online banking process I get an error screen. This blows up on my
> "old reliable" Firefox 3.6.3, on 4.0, and now on 8.01. But the same
> process works ok on (ugh) Konqueror
> and Seamonkey, Bending Seamonkey to my will is easier than the same
> process on Firefox 8.01 etc.
>
some websites, especially banking ones assume that you accept all cookies
and scripts and fall over badly if you do not.
--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk
jo...@wexfordpress.com
Dec 22, 2011, 3:41:45 PM12/22/11
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On Dec 19, 5:40 pm, Loki Harfagr <l...@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID>
wrote:
> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:19:29 -0800, j...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
OK I did all this, burned three joss sticks, walked around the altar
five times and yes it worked.
But you will admit that this was a non-intuitive set of moves.
In current Kmail, the spurious Akonadi messages.
In current Claws-Mail the erratic search function.
wrote:
> Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:19:29 -0800, j...@wexfordpress.com did cat :
five times and yes it worked.
But you will admit that this was a non-intuitive set of moves.
In current Claws-Mail the erratic search function.
jo...@wexfordpress.com
Dec 23, 2011, 10:38:45 AM12/23/11
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On Dec 22, 3:41 pm, "j...@wexfordpress.com" <j...@wexfordpress.com>
wrote:
back to where it was in
Firefox 3.6.3.
So now I am back to approximately a 3.6.3 layout. Thanks again for
your help.
No thanks to the bit fiddlers at Firefox who couldn't leave well
enough alone.
John Culleton.
wrote:
> On Dec 19, 5:40 pm, Loki Harfagr <l...@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Although it is a bit contrived to do: right-click on the home button (or
> > its toolbar) select 'Customize', cut&drop the home button from its toolbar
> > into the 'Customize' panel then select the home icon where it landed in
> > that 'Customize' panel window and drop it in the toolbar at the very place
> > you want it to be seen, et voilà :-)
>
> OK I did all this, burned three joss sticks, walked around the altar
> five times and yes it worked.
> But you will admit that this was a non-intuitive set of moves.
Found the reload button also way on the right. Moved it the same way,
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Although it is a bit contrived to do: right-click on the home button (or
> > its toolbar) select 'Customize', cut&drop the home button from its toolbar
> > into the 'Customize' panel then select the home icon where it landed in
> > that 'Customize' panel window and drop it in the toolbar at the very place
> > you want it to be seen, et voilà :-)
>
> OK I did all this, burned three joss sticks, walked around the altar
> five times and yes it worked.
> But you will admit that this was a non-intuitive set of moves.
back to where it was in
Firefox 3.6.3.
So now I am back to approximately a 3.6.3 layout. Thanks again for
your help.
No thanks to the bit fiddlers at Firefox who couldn't leave well
enough alone.
John Culleton.
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