What will Slack 13 give me that Slack 11 doesn't have?
Rich Grise
ain't-broke,-don't-fix-it.
So, what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides the
headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
Thanks,
Rich
notbob
> So, what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides the
> headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
mplayer!
It's all there. Add the browser plug-in and you can watch almost
anything. I was shocked to see wmv files play as easily as mpg and
avi files with nary a finger lifted to cli a config file. I can even
stream current movies where available. No muss, no fuss, it works, I
watch. IMO, it is major. On the downside, there's kde4.2, which
is worse than herniated pond scum.
nb
Sylvain Robitaille
> ... what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides
> the headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
What did Slackware-11.x give you that Slackware-9.x didn't?
Seriously (though I must admit to not yet having installed Slackware-13.0
on any system), I think it comes down to new versions of various software,
with the good and bad that that entails (new features, new bugs, new
interfaces, etc.) There has been much discussion on the newsgroup of
KDE-4.x, which is included (though it remains possible to install KDE-3.x
instead, I understand). Perhaps you're among those for whom that alone
would be a reason to upgrade.
Note that I basically agree with you. I have some systems at home that
are running Slackware-10.2, and those won't likely be upgraded until
the earlier of a) their hardware is upgraded, or b) Slackware-10.2 is
no longer able to run the software those systems run (which is unlikely,
leaving "a" as the only realistic possibility). Then again, I also have
one system on which I do intend to install Slackware-13.0, in order to see
for myself the answer to your question above, and at least two that I will
be eager to install it on, in 64-bit mode, for regular use. Trouble is,
those systems are presently working just fine (one as Slackware-10.2,
the other as Slamd64-12.0), so the upgrade on them certainly isn't urgent.
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Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Grant
Slackware64!!
Ipv6 is easily ignored (first thing I do after new install is a
custom kernel --> latest stable, today that's 2.6.31.2), the distro
kernel is already two releases old. And, Tuz is gone now ;)
While I've installed slack13 on a couple machines, I'm hesitating
on the Internet facing box 'cos slack11 there is working just fine.
Then there's new and improved apps, nb is happy :) Though it's a
shame PV didn't ship KDE-4.3x instead of 4.2 -- 4.3 is supposed to
be almost usable.
Grant.
--
http://bugsplatter.id.au
Michael Black
If you upgrade now, then the changes with the next release won't be so
drastic.
Michael
Zootal
"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
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I thought I was the only one that hated what they did to KDE? I went back to
Slack 12.2 on my laptop because of KDE4.2. I hate what Microsoft did to the
start button and task bar in Win7 (and Vista, but at least Vista has a
backwards compatibility mode), and it looks like the KDE team is trying to
get KDE to work like Winbloze. This is a very wrong way path, IMNSHO.
How difficult is it to replace KDE 4.2 with 3.x?
Aaron W. Hsu
wrote:
> How difficult is it to replace KDE 4.2 with 3.x?
Read the README that goes with the packages on the mirrors. I for one like
the new KDE, so I'm happy, but at least for now, the old version is
available for those who want it.
Aaron W. Hsu
--
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its
victims may be the most oppressive. -- C. S. Lewis
notbob
> How difficult is it to replace KDE 4.2 with 3.x?
Not at all. Pat did a new kde3.5 pkg jes for slack 13. Google for
it. IMO, a better solution is to lose the kde gde and use fluxbox
with kde loaded. You get the kde apps without the gde slowness.
nb
Loki Harfagr
Makes me think that it'd be even more quiet to upgrade immediatly to
Slackware_128-v15.2 that'll give some air before having to check
any update ,-)
Mike Spencer
notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> On 2009-10-06, Rich Grise <rich...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> So, what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides the
>> headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
>
> mplayer!
>
> It's all there. Add the browser plug-in and you can watch almost
> anything. I was shocked to see wmv files play as easily as mpg and
> avi files with nary a finger lifted to cli a config file. I can even
> stream current movies where available. No muss, no fuss, it works, I
> watch.
I've been using mplayer on Slack 10.1, works fine for DVDs, video
files and a TV card. Used a couple of times on Slack 11, works fine.
Of course, I hadda download and compile it. No compiliation problems.
But I don't know about the "browser plugin". Movies in the browser
are typically too much trouble for me on a dialup connection.
>> So, what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides the
>> headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
The downside, if it matters to you at all, is that Slack 12 and newer
use new versions of glibc/glibc++ so you have to recompile any apps
that you didn't get with the distro. And you're just SOL for any
older proprietary/closed-source apps you have and like, which is why
I'm downgrading my new 12.1 install to 11.0.
--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
Darklight
question should be are you having problems with slack 11
Mikhail Zotov
There are some programs around that cannot be compiled with gcc-3.x,
which shipped with Slack-11.0, but need gcc-4.x (available in releases
>=12.0). IMHO, there's hardly any reason to upgrade if you don't use
any such program, release 11.0 suits you fine and you are not curious
about "what's then?". I have a number of boxes that run Slack-10.0 and
10.1 and one running Slack-8.1 and I am not going to upgrade them. But
I do also have a box with -current ;-)
Regards,
Mikhail
Chick Tower
> IMO, a better solution is to lose the kde gde and use fluxbox with kde
> loaded. You get the kde apps without the gde slowness.
Oh, don't you start this GDE crap, too!
--
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For e-mail: aols2 DOT sent DOT towerboy AT xoxy DOT net
wexfordpress
I class KDE 4 with Vista. Lots of people don't like Vista and lots of
people don't like
KDE 4. My solution is xfce, a near clone of the old KDE 3.5 interface.
The discussion isn't crap.
the KDE 4 interface is.
John Culleton
Zootal
"wexfordpress" <jo...@wexfordpress.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 7, 4:30 pm, Chick Tower <c.to...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:14:05 +0000, notbob wrote:
> > > IMO, a better solution is to lose the kde gde and use fluxbox with kde
> > > loaded. You get the kde apps without the gde slowness.
> >
> > Oh, don't you start this GDE crap, too!
> > --
> > Chick Tower
> >
>
> people don't like
> KDE 4. My solution is xfce, a near clone of the old KDE 3.5 interface.
> The discussion isn't crap.
> the KDE 4 interface is.
>
At least Vista gives you the option of using the "classic" interface.
Windows 7 doesn't. And neither does KDE 4 (at least not that I'm aware of),
which is why I'm using neither Win7 nor KDE4...
I hope I'm not beating a dead dog.The "old" style interface expands programs
upwards and outwards in a hierarchal expanding format, using as much of the
screen as it can to display as much stuff as it can. This makes it easy to
drill upwards and outwards and find your stuff quickly, especially if you
have a lot of items, or if you are not quite sure where to find what you are
looking for. The "new" style confines it all to a small box, making it
difficult to navigate through the menus to find your stuff, especially if
you have a lot of items or are not sure where you are going. Microsoft made
a big mistake changing to this style, evidenced by all of the negative
feedback they are receiving about this change (typical Microsoft "lets us
think for you and tell you what you really want" attitude). It looks
suspiciously like the KDE4 team made the new gui work just like Windows. Did
they do this because it is what Windows is doing, or did they make it up on
their own? I strongly suspect the former. IMNSHO, this is a very wrong way
street for anything-Linux to be going down. The last thing I need is
something that works like Windows...
/soapbox
Grant
>
>"wexfordpress" <jo...@wexfordpress.com> wrote in message
>news:dfeabb0e-e58a-4935...@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 7, 4:30 pm, Chick Tower <c.to...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:14:05 +0000, notbob wrote:
>> > > IMO, a better solution is to lose the kde gde and use fluxbox with kde
>> > > loaded. You get the kde apps without the gde slowness.
>> >
>> > Oh, don't you start this GDE crap, too!
>> > --
>> > Chick Tower
>> >
>>
>> I class KDE 4 with Vista. Lots of people don't like Vista and lots of
>> people don't like
>> KDE 4. My solution is xfce, a near clone of the old KDE 3.5 interface.
>> The discussion isn't crap.
>> the KDE 4 interface is.
>>
>
>
>
>At least Vista gives you the option of using the "classic" interface.
>Windows 7 doesn't.
Yes it (Win7) does. Right-click background--> Personalize --> Windows Classic
> And neither does KDE 4 (at least not that I'm aware of),
>which is why I'm using neither Win7 nor KDE4...
>
>
>
>I hope I'm not beating a dead dog.The "old" style interface expands programs
...
>their own? I strongly suspect the former. IMNSHO, this is a very wrong way
>street for anything-Linux to be going down. The last thing I need is
>something that works like Windows...
I'm mostly on the 'doze desktop, using PuTTY to work the slackware
boxen ;) Been using best of both worlds since I met unix-linux in
'97.
I rarely use that lower-left-corner thing to find programs, often used
programs, terminal and browsers are on the bottom bar, frequently used
programs are on the top and right edge of the main screen. I use fly-out
menus if I can (win7 disabled the busted vista flyout menus rather than
fix them).
The fluxbox right-click for a menu is easu to learn and looks okay to
me for casual use.
I agree that corner menu thing is a dog -- I tend to use it only to
find the terminal program so I can drag that to the bottom bar.
Start other programs from the terminal, eg. 'firefox &' -- 'cos
that's how they did it on the first unix box I had an account on.
Take what you want and leave the rest -- the developers are scratching
various itches you don't have.
Grant.
--
http://bugsplatter.id.au
Zootal
>>Windows 7 doesn't.
>
> Yes it (Win7) does. Right-click background--> Personalize --> Windows
> Classic
That is not the "classic" interface wtr the start button and task bar.
Microsoft got it right in 1995 when Windows95 came out. Now, 15 years later,
for reasons only known to Microsoft, they have decided that what we worked
for 15 years is now obsolete and that we don't need this anymore. At least
Vista had a true classic mode. Win7 can call it what they want - it isn't
it, and it's not there.
KDE copies this same boxed menu style. It is a very wrong way road they
followed when they decided to follow after Microsoft.
Chick Tower
> On Oct 7, 4:30�pm, Chick Tower <c.to...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:14:05 +0000, notbob wrote:
>> > IMO, a better solution is to lose the kde gde and use fluxbox with
>> > kde loaded. �You get the kde apps without the gde slowness.
>>
>> Oh, don't you start this GDE crap, too! -- � � � � � � � � �
>> � � � � � � � �Chick Tower
>
> I class KDE 4 with Vista. Lots of people don't like Vista and lots of
> people don't like KDE 4. My solution is xfce, a near clone of the old
> KDE 3.5 interface. The discussion isn't crap. the KDE 4 interface is.
I was not objecting to the discussion. Perhaps I should have said
Oh, don't you start this "GDE" crap, too!
Is the reference to this term introduced to a.o.l.s by a particularly
obnoxious poster sufficiently clear now?
Rich Grise
Thanks to all for their many answers; it seems the "consesus" is,
"if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I can play youtube schtuff with seamonkey, and all my pornos still
work. >:->
So as long as I'm happy with what I've got, I'm happy. :-) :-) :-)
Dunno what I'm going to do when^H^H^H^Hif my Ebay box goes south, however.
=:-O
Thanks!
Rich
Zootal
"Rich Grise" <rich...@example.net> wrote in message
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FWIW - Slack 11 was fairly troublesome on my hardware, due to it being an
older Toshiba laptop. Slack 12.2 is just about perfect - the wireless works
without having to figure out how to get madwifi working, the video works
good out of the box, the sound works first time, etc. Going from Slack 11 to
Slack 12 was the best thing I ever did. Slack 12.2, in my book, is easily
the best version ever. The jury is still out on slack 13 - I'm still annoyed
at them trying to make KDE4 look like Winbloze, and so I'm still getting
used to xfce.
Joe
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:05:58 -0700, Rich Grise <rich...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not an upgrade-for-upgrade's-sake kind of guy - more like, if-it
>> ain't-broke,-don't-fix-it.
>>
>> So, what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides the
>> headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
>
> Slackware64!!
>
> Ipv6 is easily ignored
IPv6 is good stuff. The only headaches I had with it had to do with my old
crappy DSL modem which didn't support it, not even IPv4to6. Nothing a new DSL
modem couldn't fix.
> Then there's new and improved apps, nb is happy :) Though it's a
> shame PV didn't ship KDE-4.3x instead of 4.2 -- 4.3 is supposed to
> be almost usable.
I'll stick with KDE 3.5 for now. 4.2 isn't usable.
The only bad thing with 3.5 is that Yahoo IM support in kopete is broken. The
fix is only in 4.[23].
-Joe
Zootal
"Joe" <inv...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Know of any good alternatives that run in KDE 3.5? I tried a few, but they
were either old and klunky, would not compile, or didn't work with Yahoo.
Joe Feise
> "Joe" <inv...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>> I'll stick with KDE 3.5 for now. 4.2 isn't usable.
>> The only bad thing with 3.5 is that Yahoo IM support in kopete is broken.
>> The
>> fix is only in 4.[23].
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>
> Know of any good alternatives that run in KDE 3.5? I tried a few, but they
> were either old and klunky, would not compile, or didn't work with Yahoo.
Pidgin.
They implemented the fix for Yahoo first, and the Kopete maintainer got it from
them.
Charles Collette
<use...@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:
<--snip -->
>At least Vista gives you the option of using the "classic" interface.
>Windows 7 doesn't. And neither does KDE 4 (at least not that I'm aware of),
>which is why I'm using neither Win7 nor KDE4...
>
It is also possible in KDE 4 to have the KDE 3 look and feel. Don't
remember what I did to get it, but it wasn't hard to do.
Zootal
"Charles Collette" <coll...@no-spam-xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:ru8nd51njfff7tefa...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:05:16 -0700, "Zootal"
> <use...@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> <--snip -->
>>At least Vista gives you the option of using the "classic" interface.
>>Windows 7 doesn't. And neither does KDE 4 (at least not that I'm aware
>>of),
>>which is why I'm using neither Win7 nor KDE4...
>>
> It is also possible in KDE 4 to have the KDE 3 look and feel. Don't
> remember what I did to get it, but it wasn't hard to do.
You can get it for the desktop, IIRC, but not for the KDE equivalent of the
Start button where the menu pops up showing you available programs. That
seems to be stuck in Windows 7 mode.
Martin Schmitz
> You can get it for the desktop, IIRC, but not for the KDE equivalent
> of the Start button where the menu pops up showing you available
> programs. That seems to be stuck in Windows 7 mode.
Unlock widgets, then right click on the menu symbol.
Martin
jo...@wexfordpress.com
The solution to KDE4 is called XFCE. It approximates KDE 3.5 in look,
feel and
functionality. The KDE programs are all available. The wicked witch is
dead, at least on this machine.
Some adjustments are necessary. You need to substitute konsole for the
inferior Terminal
program for example. Kmail has a wierd look and feel. But it doesn't
crash as often.
With Slack 13 you get Qt4 which is needed to compile e.g. recent
versions of Scribus. That program
is important to me. And it has a 64 bit option.
John Culleton
Dan C
> On Oct 6, 5:38 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-10-06, Rich Grise <richgr...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>> > So, what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides
>> > the headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
>>
>> mplayer!
>>
>> It's all there. Add the browser plug-in and you can watch almost
>> anything. I was shocked to see wmv files play as easily as mpg and avi
>> files with nary a finger lifted to cli a config file. I can even
>> stream current movies where available. No muss, no fuss, it works, I
>> watch. IMO, it is major. On the downside, there's kde4.2, which is
>> worse than herniated pond scum.
>>
>> nb
>
> The solution to KDE4 is called XFCE. It approximates KDE 3.5 in look,
> feel and functionality.
I disagree, completely. Xfce has always looked/acted more like Gnome
than it has imitated KDE. It looks nothing like KDE (thank god).
> The KDE programs are all available.
They are available no matter which desktop/wm you are using, assuming
they are installed.
> Some adjustments are necessary. You need to substitute konsole for the
> inferior Terminal program for example.
You don't "need" to do that. I think Konsole sucks ass, and much prefer
the Xfce Terminal.
> Kmail has a wierd look and feel. But it doesn't crash as often.
Another piece of crap. Use Thunderbird. No crashes.
--
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"Bother!" said Pooh, as he garotted another passing Liberal.
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jo...@wexfordpress.com
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:30:45 -0700, j...@wexfordpress.com wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 5:38 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> >> On 2009-10-06, Rich Grise <richgr...@example.net> wrote:
>
> >> > So, what would Slack 13 give me that Slack 11. doesn't have, besides
> >> > the headaches of IPV6 and that whole new kernel?
>
> >> mplayer!
>
> >> It's all there. Add the browser plug-in and you can watch almost
> >> anything. I was shocked to see wmv files play as easily as mpg and avi
> >> files with nary a finger lifted to cli a config file. I can even
> >> stream current movies where available. No muss, no fuss, it works, I
> >> watch. IMO, it is major. On the downside, there's kde4.2, which is
> >> worse than herniated pond scum.
>
> >> nb
>
> > The solution to KDE4 is called XFCE. It approximates KDE 3.5 in look,
> > feel and functionality.
>
> I disagree, completely. Xfce has always looked/acted more like Gnome
> than it has imitated KDE. It looks nothing like KDE (thank god).
>
categories, just like KDE. It is easy to install/move around
frequently used apps on the bottom bar, just like KDE. The Xubuntu
verson of XFCE looks a bit more like Gnome but the Slackware version
has no resemblance IMO.
> > The KDE programs are all available.
>
> They are available no matter which desktop/wm you are using, assuming
> they are installed.
>
> > Some adjustments are necessary. You need to substitute konsole for the
> > inferior Terminal program for example.
>
> You don't "need" to do that. I think Konsole sucks ass, and much prefer
> the Xfce Terminal.
>
> > Kmail has a wierd look and feel. But it doesn't crash as often.
>
> Another piece of crap. Use Thunderbird. No crashes.
>
move mail to various folders based on origin?
Allow for the creation of distribution lists for outgoing mail?
Provide for multiple input sources and multiple output destinations?
I am asking, not arguing. Those are features I value in Kmail.
Konsole has a bookmark feature that I use all the time. Without it I
am less productive. And changing the white-on-black to black on a
pale color was easy on Konsole.
YMMV of course.
John Culleton
Mike Jones
[...]
>> > The solution to KDE4 is called XFCE. It approximates KDE 3.5 in look,
>> > feel and functionality.
>>
>> I disagree, completely. Xfce has always looked/acted more like Gnome
>> than it has imitated KDE. It looks nothing like KDE (thank god).
>>
> Well there is a menu button on the bottom bar, with submenus for major
> categories, just like KDE. It is easy to install/move around frequently
> used apps on the bottom bar, just like KDE. The Xubuntu verson of XFCE
> looks a bit more like Gnome but the Slackware version has no resemblance
> IMO.
You can do all kinds of things with Xfce4. Don't assume the default setup
is how it must be. I'm on my third major "best working practice" desktop
redeign ATM, and wouldn't swap Xfce4 for anything (other than IceWM).
I'm also still tripping over new tricks that somebody must have built in,
but don't seem to make it to the documentation I've seen so far. Mind
you, I've not actually read too much on Xfce4 as most things sort of
explain themselves as you fiddle with them.
Xfce4 also takes notice of "industry standards", which is nice.
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Dan C
>> > Kmail has a wierd look and feel. But it doesn't crash as often.
>> Another piece of crap. Use Thunderbird. No crashes.
> Does it incorporate Bogofilters?
I don't know what that is, but assuming it's a spam filter, yes, TB has
built-in "trainable" spam filters. They work well.
> Allow easy creation of filters to move mail to various folders based on
> origin?
Yes, absolutely.
> Allow for the creation of distribution lists for outgoing mail?
Yes, absolutely.
> Provide for multiple input sources and multiple output destinations?
I don't know what that means. Different email accounts? If so, yes.
> I am asking, not arguing. Those are features I value in Kmail.
> Konsole has a bookmark feature that I use all the time. Without it I am
> less productive.
I have no idea how "bookmarks" could work in a terminal. <shrug>
> And changing the white-on-black to black on a pale color was easy on
> Konsole.
It is trivial to do in Terminal as well. Menu-driven, even.
jo...@wexfordpress.com
I have changed to XFCE so the gui problem has gone away at least for
me. But I have one app (Quanta++) that at the moment won't run with
the KDE4 libraries (e.g., Qt 4). Is it possible to switch to kde3.5
for just this one app?
John Culleton
Joe
There now is a patch for Kopete 0.12.7, the version in KDE 3.5, available:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/430069/comments/2
I just re-build the kdenetwork package with that patch included. Works fine.
-Joe