Wine and Slack 13
jo...@wexfordpress.com
I had it up years ago but never got much past Solitaire. Is there a
better program today?
John Culleton
Lew Pitcher
> Is Wine still the preferred way to run Windows programs in Slackware?
> I had it up years ago but never got much past Solitaire. Is there a
> better program today?
Windows, itself, is a far better platform for running windows apps
than linux will ever be.
You seem to have the problem backwards. You run the OS that the
best program for your purpose demands. There is nothing wrong with
windows. And, since there are so many apps you need windows to run,
you should have a windows standalone or at least a dual-boot around
at all times.
Other than that, look at vmware.
Lew Pitcher
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See you there!
Lew Pitcher
(jo...@wexfordpress.com) wrote:
> Is Wine still the preferred way to run Windows programs in Slackware?
Pretty much, unless you want to install a virtualization tool (like qemu or
virtualbox) and run Windows on a virtual system within Linux.
> I had it up years ago but never got much past Solitaire. Is there a
> better program today?
Wine is pretty much it. You can purchase Wine-derivatives that have been
optimized for gaming or office products, but there's nothing else, short of
a virtual Windows system, that will run Windows apps on a Linux system.
--
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Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576
Me: http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | Just Linux: http://justlinux.ca/
---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------
jo...@wexfordpress.com
> j...@wexfordpress.com <j...@wexfordpress.com> trolled:
I have a Windows XP partition up. The app that I need is Pub-assist,
an accounting program. It would be
a bore to reboot every time a transaction occurred. All the other
programs I use regularly are FOSS.
I will look at vmware.
John Culleton
Lew Pitcher
> On November 13, 2009 16:49, in alt.os.linux.slackware, jo...@wexfordpress.com
> (jo...@wexfordpress.com) wrote:
This is NOT Lew Pitcher. This is the troll known as "Dan C"
impersonating him.
Lew Pitcher
--
Lew Pitcher
(jo...@wexfordpress.com) wrote:
Surprisingly, RM's advice is pretty good. Yes, if you have a tool that you
must use, and it only runs under Microsoft Windows, then you probably
should run it under Microsoft Windows.
VMWare is one choice, but you'll probably find it expensive. You could also
try Qemu or Virtualbox; both virtualization environments work well in
Slackware, and Windows hardly notices the differences.
Douglas Mayne
I think the best compatibility is still virtualization, not wine.
However, Windows requires licenses ($), etc. while wine does not.
There is a script called winetricks that can be to used to attempt
to get critical programs to help provide more libraries. However, some
programs defy any amount of "tricks", and refuse to be installed. The
programs which work, really do work very well though. It's a bit too
uneven for my taste.
I would opt for virtualization. I have only briefly tested VirtualBox- I
have mostly used VMWare. VMWare's latest releases seem to be working much
better. For a while, some combinations of hardware and Linux kernels
proved to be painful. too. As of now, I have tested VMware Player 3.0 and
VMWare Server 2.0.2 on Slackware 12.2 with kernel 2.6.30.8. (BTW, I
recommend using a kernel version >= 2.6.30.8. YMMV. Be aware that there is
a community patch which must still be applied to get VMWare server's
modules to compile correctly and work with those kernels. Slackware 13.0
comes with kernel 2.6.29.6, which isn't quite fixed- YMMV.)
One other nice thing about virtualization is that it encapsulates the
guest environment nicely. wine installs a .wine directory which attempts
to do the same thing, but is less than ideal (IMO).
--
Douglas Mayne
Keith Keller
>
> VMWare is one choice, but you'll probably find it expensive.
I thought that certain flavors of VMWare were now free (as in beer).
VirtualBox is also free, and I like it very much (though I've only used
it for linux guests, not Windows).
--keith
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Lew Pitcher
(kkeller...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us) wrote:
> On 2009-11-13, Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> wrote:
>>
>> VMWare is one choice, but you'll probably find it expensive.
>
> I thought that certain flavors of VMWare were now free (as in beer).
Perhaps I am wrong, but isn't the VMWare "server" (the part that builds
system images) a for-purchase-only program? I believe that the "client"
(the part that runs the system images) is freeware.
> VirtualBox is also free, and I like it very much (though I've only used
> it for linux guests, not Windows).
I've used Qemu for years, both for Linux and Windows. I've got Qemu images
stashed away for Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows XP. If I
need an installation, I pull out the correct image, and make a
copy-on-write volume with it. That way, I can keep a pristine installation
image, /and/ have a "working set" volume, with little additional cost.
jr4412
> Perhaps I am wrong, but isn't the VMWare "server" (the part that builds
> system images) a for-purchase-only program? I believe that the "client"
> (the part that runs the system images) is freeware.
vmserver2 is free, you have to buy vmware esx server.
jr
Lew Pitcher
(jr4...@googlemail.com) wrote:
Thanks for the correction. I learn something new every day.
barnabyh
Windows 2000 Pro runs pretty well under Virtualbox, it is enough let you
work with a few programs natively although 3d accelleration in the free
version does not work, but for an accounting program you will hardly
need this.
With seamless desktop integration enabled can't tell much of a
difference between where Windows ends and the linux desktop begins. Go
for the latest Virtualbox 3 as this is much better now than in the
previous incarnations.
Wine is a little bit too erratic for my taste, as others have opined
here. It seems to run basic office utilities fine though, and older
versions of MS office (don't know about the functioning of anything
newer than Office 97).
Barnabyh
--
5 years of Linux only - and loving it.
Lew Pitcher
> Thanks for the correction. I learn something new every day.
It's too bad you can't learn to post under your real name.
Keep it up and complaints will be made.
Lew Pitcher
--
Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #122276
Me: http://lewpitcher.ca/ http://ustlinux.ca/
---------- Slackware - Because I don't have a clue. ------
Dan C
> On November 13, 2009 20:21, in alt.os.linux.slackware, jr4412
> (jr4...@googlemail.com) wrote:
>
>> On 14 Nov, 00:41, Lew Pitcher <lpitc...@teksavvy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps I am wrong, but isn't the VMWare "server" (the part that
>>> builds system images) a for-purchase-only program? I believe that the
>>> "client" (the part that runs the system images) is freeware.
>>
>> vmserver2 is free, you have to buy vmware esx server.
>
> Thanks for the correction. I learn something new every day.
The justlinux.ca website is looking good. I like the logo. Well done.
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Dan C
Just for those who may not be aware, the post I am replying to comes from
a poser and a certified whacko, who usually goes by the name of "rm".
It's not the real Lew Pitcher.
Poor little "rm" is still whining and acting childish because he lost a
domain he didn't even use, because he was too ignorant/lazy to renew the
lease. Just ignore anything this dipshit posts. Very easy to tell that
he's posting as someone else, just take a peek at the headers and
addressing.
Bugger off, troll-boy.
Lew Pitcher
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:34:30 -0500, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> The justlinux.ca website is looking good. I like the logo. Well done.
Thanks.
Of course we are surprised that you know how to use a web browser.
Lew Pitcher
> Poor little "rm" is still whining and acting childish because he lost a
> domain he didn't even use, because he was too ignorant/lazy to renew the
> lease. Just ignore anything this dipshit posts. Very easy to tell that
> he's posting as someone else, just take a peek at the headers and
> addressing.
If rm doesn't bother me, why should he bother you?
Dan C
> Dan C <youmust...@lan.invalid> trolled:
>
>> Poor little "rm" is still whining and acting childish because he lost a
>> domain he didn't even use, because he was too ignorant/lazy to renew
>> the lease. Just ignore anything this dipshit posts. Very easy to tell
>> that he's posting as someone else, just take a peek at the headers and
>> addressing.
>
> If rm doesn't bother me, why should he bother you?
>
>
> Lew Pitcher
Wrong. Bugger off, rm-troll.
Dan C
> Dan C <youmust...@lan.invalid> trolled:
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:34:30 -0500, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>> The justlinux.ca website is looking good. I like the logo. Well done.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Of course we are surprised that you know how to use a web browser.
>
>
> Lew Pitcher
Wrong. Bugger off, rm-troll.
jpmenicucci
VMWare Server 2 is free. However you will need to install the pluggable
authentication modules and create file /etc/pam.d/vmware-authd with :
#%PAM-1.0
auth required pam_unix.so shadow nullok
account required pam_unix.so
check
http://forum.soft32.com/linux/FYI-VMWare-Server-Slackware-12-host-ftopict479740.html
Regards,
JP Menicucci,
Jim Diamond
> On November 13, 2009 20:21, in alt.os.linux.slackware, jr4412
> (jr4...@googlemail.com) wrote:
>
>> On 14 Nov, 00:41, Lew Pitcher <lpitc...@teksavvy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps I am wrong, but isn't the VMWare "server" (the part that builds
>>> system images) a for-purchase-only program? I believe that the "client"
>>> (the part that runs the system images) is freeware.
>>
>> vmserver2 is free, you have to buy vmware esx server.
>
> Thanks for the correction. I learn something new every day.
Here is something more new. VMware player is also free, but it is
(or itused to be, anyway) tricky to create your own VMs with it.
In vmware server 2 they went to a horrible browser-based interface.
It was so bad I gave up on it and switched to virtualbox.
Jim
Wojciech Nowotny
> jo...@wexfordpress.com <jo...@wexfordpress.com> trolled:
>
>> Is Wine still the preferred way to run Windows programs in Slackware? I
>> had it up years ago but never got much past Solitaire. Is there a
>> better program today?
>
> Windows, itself, is a far better platform for running windows apps than
> linux will ever be.
>
> You seem to have the problem backwards. You run the OS that the best
> program for your purpose demands. There is nothing wrong with windows.
> And, since there are so many apps you need windows to run, you should
> have a windows standalone or at least a dual-boot around at all times.
>
> Other than that, look at vmware.
>
> Lew Pitcher
And you can always try quemu :). It's very small and simple - all you
need is to create an HD image and voila. But forget about your graphic
card (maybe something changed since my last try). It's only a x86
emulator. It's enough for simple tasks (i needed win to program some
hardware by windows only software). I also played on it simple (old)
games like Diablo ;).
It all depends on what do you need it for.
Best Regards
Wojtek Nowotny
(my first post on usenet:)
Lew Pitcher
wrote:
[snip]
> And you can always try quemu :). It's very small and simple - all you
> need is to create an HD image and voila. But forget about your graphic
> card (maybe something changed since my last try).
Qemu does graphics quite well. I use it to run Windows XP on my
Slackware desktop, and (believe me) Windows XP isn't a character-based
environment. I get good graphics off of the emulated video card; it
doesn't do GL, but that's usually not an issue.
> It's only a x86 emulator.
Actually, its not. It /can/ emulate an X86 processor, but with the
kqemu kernel module on a real X86 cpu, it doesn't /have to/ emulate an
X86 processor. And, it is a lot more; it emulates many other
processors other than X86: it'll run Arm, M68000, Mips, PPC, and Sparc
binaries, along with X86 and X86-64.
> It's enough for simple tasks (i needed win to program some
> hardware by windows only software). I also played on it simple (old)
> games like Diablo ;).
>
> It all depends on what do you need it for.
Agreed. It's fast, free, and dependable. It all depends on what you do
need it for.
> Best Regards
> Wojtek Nowotny
> (my first post on usenet:)
Welcome to Usenet. Don't let the trolls and kooks frighten you away.
--
Lew Pitcher
> On Nov 16, 11:59?am, Wojciech Nowotny <wojciech.nowo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Best Regards
>> Wojtek Nowotny
>> (my first post on usenet:)
> Welcome to Usenet. Don't let the trolls and kooks frighten you away.
And make sure you keep your domain names paid up if you are going to
post around here.
LewPitcher.ca
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Loki Harfagr
>> Welcome to Usenet. Don't let the trolls and kooks frighten you away.
>
> And make sure you keep your domain names paid up if you are going to
> post around here.
Good example Irene!
Michael Black
> Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> trolled:
>> On Nov 16, 11:59?am, Wojciech Nowotny <wojciech.nowo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Wojtek Nowotny
>>> (my first post on usenet:)
>
>> Welcome to Usenet. Don't let the trolls and kooks frighten you away.
>
> And make sure you keep your domain names paid up if you are going to
> post around here.
>
That's not fair. Don't come here trolling unless you keep your domain
names paid up.
Michael
Peter Chant
> Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> trolled:
>> On November 13, 2009 16:49, in alt.os.linux.slackware,
>> jo...@wexfordpress.com (jo...@wexfordpress.com) wrote:
>
> This is NOT Lew Pitcher. This is the troll known as "Dan C"
> impersonating him.
No, I'm Lew Pitcher...
Grant
Lew Pitcher
(g_r_a...@bugsplatter.id.au) wrote:
I never thought that /I/ would be outsourced, especially here in aols :-)
For the record, /I/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher (unless you want to count my
75-year-old uncle Lew in Nova Scotia).
So far, by my count, I have
- one troll claiming to be me, so he can blackmail me into giving him a
domain he wants
- at least two AOLS regulars, claimed to be me by the above mentioned
troll, and
- at least two AOLS participants who claim to be me (possibly to confuse
the troll, and others)
Google me. You'll find me here.
And, thanks for the cover, guys. But, that troll cant shoot straight
anyway ;-)
Keith Keller
>
> For the record, /I/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher (unless you want to count my
> 75-year-old uncle Lew in Nova Scotia).
You should PGP-sign your messages. :)
Peter Chant
>
> For the record, /we/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher (unless you want to count
my
> 75-year-old uncle Lew in Nova Scotia).
There you go, corrected that for you...
Lew Pitcher
> For the record, /I/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher (unless you want to
> count my 75-year-old uncle Lew in Nova Scotia).
Actually, LewPitcher.ca and LewPitcher.com are both registered to
me.
> So far, by my count, I have - one troll claiming to be me, so he
> can blackmail me into giving him a domain he wants
Nobody is trying to "blackmail" you, moron. We did point out that
you "pounced" on a domain we held for seven years, taking advantage
of the fact that we did not receive an invoice from our registrar.
You did it without warning and then you bragged about it to this
newsgroup. And the only people who were amused by this were
bottom-feeding, unimaginative little trolls like Dan C, Res, and,
of course, yourself.
After we pointed out that you had no intention of using the domain
name you hastily filled it with material easily available elsewhere
including absolutely nothing original of any value. And again, this
seemed to amuse only the Dan Cs of the world.
You are a classless boor, the simplest of the "trolls" posting here,
with a mind benumbed by a lifetime wasted producing COBOL code for
one of Canada's major banks.
> - at least two AOLS regulars, claimed to be me by the above mentioned
> troll, and
> - at least two AOLS participants who claim to be me (possibly to confuse
> the troll, and others)
>
> Google me. You'll find me here.
Where else would one look for Lew Pitcher, other than at
LewPitcher.ca?
> And, thanks for the cover, guys. But, that troll cant shoot straight
> anyway ;-)
Nobody's trying to cover for you, moron. They were just laying
bait.
LewPi...@LewPitcher.ca
Lew Pitcher
> On 2009-11-18, Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> wrote:
>> For the record, /I/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher (unless you want to
>> count my 75-year-old uncle Lew in Nova Scotia).
> You should PGP-sign your messages. :)
The NYR are looking for veteran leadership. Gretzky has to sign
with somebody and it might as well be as a player because he sure as
hell can't coach.
What happened to all the pgp trash anyway?
cordially, as always,
rm
Lew Pitcher
(pet...@MpeteOzilla.Vco.ukE) wrote:
> Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>>
>> For the record, /we/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher (unless you want to count
> my
>> 75-year-old uncle Lew in Nova Scotia).
>
> There you go, corrected that for you...
Nope. I had it right the first time. /I/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher. I do not
have multiple personalities, and I do not have a delusion that I am a
monarch.
I have always been me. All the rest of you may be figments of my
imagination, but /I/ exist ;-)
Lew Pitcher
> Nope. I had it right the first time. /I/ am the "real" Lew
> Pitcher. I do not have multiple personalities, and I do not have a
> delusion that I am a monarch.
The only thing that is "real" about you, "Lew", is the fact of your
delusion.
> I have always been me. All the rest of you may be figments of my
> imagination, but /I/ exist ;-)
LewPitcher.ca and LewPitcher.com belong to _me_, not you.
Me.
Now you can continue to embarrass yourself by claiming to be "Lew
Pitcher", but in cyberspace such a laughably tenuous hold on an
identity is usually feted in a wholly derisive manner.
I am LewPitcher.ca and you are an old, burned out, COBOL programmer who
seeks to entertain and earn the approval of smallish trolls like Dan C.
Shudder ...
The world is forever insulated from any attempted impacts by the
likes of you. What's it like knowing that? What's it like being
doomed to face nothing other than the constant and forever emerging
knowledge of your own total irrelevancy?
LewPi...@LewPitcher.ca
--
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Peter Chant
> On November 18, 2009 14:06, in alt.os.linux.slackware, Peter Chant
> (pet...@MpeteOzilla.Vco.ukE) wrote:
>
>> Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For the record, /we/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher (unless you want to count
>> my
>>> 75-year-old uncle Lew in Nova Scotia).
>>
>> There you go, corrected that for you...
>
> Nope. I had it right the first time. /I/ am the "real" Lew Pitcher. I do
> not have multiple personalities, and I do not have a delusion that I am a
> monarch.
Perhaps adding smilies would make more sense. I was changing the text to
match one of rm's writing style quirks.
>
> I have always been me. All the rest of you may be figments of my
> imagination, but /I/ exist ;-)
>
Dan C
impersonate Lew Pitcher, and trolled:
<SNIP>
> The world is forever insulated from any attempted impacts by the likes
> of you. What's it like knowing that? What's it like being doomed to
> face nothing other than the constant and forever emerging knowledge of
> your own total irrelevancy?
RM, are these words the opening paragraph, of your autobiography? Kind
of a self-interview, perhaps?
It would be funny if it wasn't so friggin pathetic. Get back on your
meds, you sick piece of shit.
Michael Black
>
> And, thanks for the cover, guys. But, that troll cant shoot straight
> anyway ;-)
I thought it was a reference to the movie "Spartacus".
Michael
Lew Pitcher
(et...@ncf.ca) wrote:
You know, now that you mention it, I think you are right.
My memories of that film are fairly vague; it's been over 30 years since I
saw it.
As I've said before, I learn something new every day.
Lew Pitcher
[deletia]
Why don't you find yourself a new name? One that has NOT been
registered?
LewPi...@LewPitcher.ca
--
Peter Chant
> I thought it was a reference to the movie "Spartacus".
Yes