Acer LCD flat screen

[notbob]

My last CRT went up in smoke. No mistaking the smoke roiling outta the
back. Turned it off. Been expecting it fer mos.

So, gonna finally spend my hard earned SS on a new flat panel. My remote
Walmart has two in stock. What appears to be an HP WLED fer $300+ (fergit
it!) and a $170 Acer 23" LCD, M/N S23?WHL (I think). My question is, will
the Acer work with my slack 13.37.

TIA
nb

[Markus]

On 22 May 2012 04:24:26 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Walmart has two in stock. What appears to be an HP WLED fer $300+
(fergit
> it!) and a $170 Acer 23" LCD, M/N S23?WHL (I think). My question
is, will
> the Acer work with my slack 13.37.

Well, it depends on your graphics-adapter. Very old graphics-adapters
don't support the resolution of modern widescreen monitors.

--
Markus

[Peter Chant]

Suggest you use the DVI connector if you were thinking of using the VGA one.
There is a noticable increase in sharpness. I have been surprised how
reasonable VGA can look, but DVI is definitely an improvement.

Pete

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[notbob]

product: NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]

nb

[notbob]

On 2012-05-22, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

> it!) and a $170 Acer 23" LCD, M/N S23?WHL (I think). My question is, will
> the Acer work with my slack 13.37.

Turns out it's an Acer S230HL and the card/chip is a:
NV5M64 RIVA TNT2 MODEL 64 / MODEL 64 PRO

Will this old of a card drive this new of a monitor?

nb

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, May 22nd, 2012 at 14:03:41h +0000, NoT BoB wrote:

> Turns out it's an Acer S230HL and the card/chip is a:
> NV5M64 RIVA TNT2 MODEL 64 / MODEL 64 PRO

The Riva TNT2 only has VGA output and the maximum resolution
appears to be (from a cursory web search) 1280 x 1024.

Your nice new shiny monitor should support this resolution
(because it is a standard one) but the quality of the picture
is not going to be optimal because it is not the native
1920x1080 resolution and the connection will be VGA (analog)
not DVI (digital).

[Dan C]

Jesus, dude. Time to come out of the 19th century.


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Dan C cried from the depths of the abyss...

> On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:05:25 +0000, notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2012-05-22, Markus <post...@mhutmacher.de> wrote:
>>> On 22 May 2012 04:24:26 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>>>> Walmart has two in stock. What appears to be an HP WLED fer $300+
>>> (fergit
>>>> it!) and a $170 Acer 23" LCD, M/N S23?WHL (I think). My question
>>> is, will
>>>> the Acer work with my slack 13.37.
>>>
>>> Well, it depends on your graphics-adapter. Very old graphics-adapters
>>> don't support the resolution of modern widescreen monitors.
>>
>> product: NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
>>
>> nb
>
> Jesus, dude. Time to come out of the 19th century.

Agreed. If your budget allows kick down 50 more bucks, and get a video
card from this century. Here is a decent one online that should work
(assuming you have an old school agp slot)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139043R

[Michael Black]

On Tue, 22 May 2012, Dan C wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:05:25 +0000, notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2012-05-22, Markus <post...@mhutmacher.de> wrote:
>>> On 22 May 2012 04:24:26 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>>>> Walmart has two in stock. What appears to be an HP WLED fer $300+
>>> (fergit
>>>> it!) and a $170 Acer 23" LCD, M/N S23?WHL (I think). My question
>>> is, will
>>>> the Acer work with my slack 13.37.
>>>
>>> Well, it depends on your graphics-adapter. Very old graphics-adapters
>>> don't support the resolution of modern widescreen monitors.
>>
>> product: NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
>>
>> nb
>
> Jesus, dude. Time to come out of the 19th century.
>

He is, he's getting an LCD monitor.

The graphic board is on par with the rest of his computer, unless he
updated yesterday.

Michael

[Mike]

In article <a21h8l...@mid.individual.net>,

notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

>product: NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]

I've got one of those doing 1920x1080 under Slack 12.old with an LG 22"
Wide LCD flat panel, so it should be ok. I was worried it might not stretch
to that res, but it's fine.

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[notbob]

One step at a time. The spec sheet shows it has a vga connector, so I'll
get the monitor first. Then, probly ugrade whole m/b or box, if I can find
one free/cheap. Like my slack box, I'm old and outdated! Besides, I can't
see fer dammit and 23" at any res will be a step up. ;)

Thanks for all the replies and info, gang. AOLS is still the best.

nb

[Wrecker]

My 19" monitor, at 1280x1024, displayed everything on the screen
slightly larger than my 23" 1920x1080 monitor does.

[Peter Chant]

Mike wrote:

> In article <a21h8l...@mid.individual.net>,
> notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>>product: NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
>
> I've got one of those doing 1920x1080 under Slack 12.old with an LG 22"
> Wide LCD flat panel, so it should be ok. I was worried it might not
> stretch to that res, but it's fine.
>

If you don't run it at the native res of the monitor its not going to be
very sharp at all - certainly not matching what the monitor is capable of.

Pete

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[John K. Herreshoff]

There is a lot to be said for 1280x1024 monitors. I use 1920x1080 (would
like 1920x1200) for grapics, and 1280x1024 on my general internet machine.
Wanna read the news on the net, go for the 1280x1024. Too much wasted real
estate on the larger, wider monitors...

my 2 cents.

John.

--
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[The Natural Philosopher]

well yes, id rather have more depth less width but 1680x1050 it is here :-)

> my 2 cents.
>
> John.
>


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[Mike]

In article <b9lt89-...@phoenix.fire>,
Peter Chant <pet...@MpeteOzilla.Vco.ukE> wrote:

>Mike wrote:

>>>product: NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
>>
>> I've got one of those doing 1920x1080 under Slack 12.old with an LG 22"
>> Wide LCD flat panel, so it should be ok. I was worried it might not
>> stretch to that res, but it's fine.
>>
>
>If you don't run it at the native res of the monitor its not going to be
>very sharp at all - certainly not matching what the monitor is capable of.
>

In my case it *is* matching the native res of the monitor, 1920x1080. Despite
the spec that another poster found (that this board only goes to 1280x1024),
mine's doing fine.

[P. Thompson]

You're lucky: your monitor failed on an old computer. Instead of buying
a new LCD screen and a video card (~$225) and still be stuck with
completely outdated stuff that can break any minute, why not buy a new
one? Recycle soft drink cans if you have to.

I see you going into lots of trouble.

[notbob]

On 2012-05-22, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

> Walmart has two in stock. What appears to be an HP WLED fer $300+ (fergit
> it!) and a $170 Acer 23" LCD, M/N S23?WHL (I think). My question is, will
> the Acer work with my slack 13.37.

OMFG!! This is almost better than sex!

Got the Acer S230Wl fer $170 at WallyWorld. Did abosutely nothing but
connect it up and turn it on. Brilliant. Huge. Clear. Did I
mention huge? No weird config, no re-write Xorg files, no nothing! I
feel I should do something to get higher res, but do not have any
reason to do so, kinda. Konsole, which I work in 80% of the time is
awesome. Looks like 800x600, only HUGE. If I had a wireless
keyboard/mouse I could sit across the room on the couch.

OTOH, can't access jpegs I have on file thru okular, which has always
worked up till now. Also got width issues with browser images. Aspect
ratio or something. Stretched a tad wide. Gotta sort that out. Help
appreciated. ;)

nb


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[Henrik Carlqvist]

notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Did abosutely nothing but connect it up and turn it on. Brilliant.
> Huge. Clear. Did I mention huge? No weird config, no re-write Xorg
> files, no nothing! I feel I should do something to get higher res, but
> do not have any reason to do so, kinda.

> Also got width issues with browser images. Aspect ratio or something.
> Stretched a tad wide. Gotta sort that out. Help appreciated. ;)

If you have a widescreen monitor you should also choose a widescreen
resolution to get the right aspect ratio.

With Slackware 13.37 you will probably not have to edit any xorg.conf. If
you are lucky the graphics card gets all the information it need by the
EDID (DDC) signals in the VGA cable. If you haven't already restarted X a
restart might be all that is needed to use a resolution optimized for your
new monitor.

If restarting X does not work you might have to go back and edit
xorg.conf. If so, gtf is your friend. Example:

gtf 1920 1080 60 -x

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[notbob]

On 2012-05-25, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.C...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>
> With Slackware 13.37 you will probably not have to edit any xorg.conf. If
> you are lucky the graphics card gets all the information it need by the
> EDID (DDC) signals in the VGA cable. If you haven't already restarted X a
> restart might be all that is needed to use a resolution optimized for your
> new monitor.
>
> If restarting X does not work you might have to go back and edit
> xorg.conf. If so, gtf is your friend. Example:
>
> gtf 1920 1080 60 -x

Thank for the info, Henrik. I do need to do something. Yesterday I
was jes happy to see my old leet box back again, but I gotta do some
tweaking, fer sure.

This huge resolution is fun, at first. Kinda the closest thing to a
projector, but I can already see it wearing thin. The manual is zero
help. First, the print is so tiny, I hafta wear a jewelers loupe to
even read it. Second, it tells me almost nothing. It explains none
of the manual control settings other than to mention them or their
acronym functions, half of which I haven't a clue. I did locate the
"auto" function, which I guess is supposed to do a h/w config like you
mentioned. Nothing. Looks like I'll spend the morning with Google
and learning more about xorg.conf and gtf.

<rant>

Still, a day spent tweaking Slackware is better than using screwbuntu.
I finally got a chance to explore that abomination on my eee netbook
from a flash drive while my leet box was down. Whatta total piece of
crap! It has NOTHING!! I couldn't load up slrn till I installed some
sorta support base, some nonsense which sounded suspiciously like
something from M$. And NO GCC! NO MAKE! No nothin'! An OS based on
C and no way to compile C!! I couldn't believe it. I looked at the
installed software and realized this thing is useless. It's not even a
decent game box, though that seems to be Shuttlebug's long term goal.
It's soooo bad, it even makes M$ Windows look like a viable OS. I now
see why screwbuntu is the up and coming alternative to M$ and the most
popular linux distro, ever. It's aimed at ppl even dumber than Mac
users! Un-beee-lievable!

</rant>

[Ed Wilson]

notbob wrote:

> On 2012-05-25, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.C...@deadspam.com> wrote:

>> If restarting X does not work you might have to go back and edit
>> xorg.conf. If so, gtf is your friend. Example:
>>
>> gtf 1920 1080 60 -x
>
> Thank for the info, Henrik. I do need to do something. Yesterday I
> was jes happy to see my old leet box back again, but I gotta do some
> tweaking, fer sure.
>
>

> nb
>
>

The RandR extension to X gives user-space Resize and Rotate capabilities.
There are at least two programs included with Slackware that will use the
extension.

1.krandrtray, KDE tray program for manipulating the display using RandR
extension

2.xrandr, primitive command line interface to RandR extension (Description
borrowed from the man page).
--
Ed

[barnabyh]

On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:00:54 +0000, notbob wrote:

snip!

> It has NOTHING!! I couldn't load up slrn till I installed some sorta
> support base, some nonsense which sounded suspiciously like something
> from M$. And NO GCC! NO MAKE! No nothin'! An OS based on C and no
> way to compile C!! I couldn't believe it. I looked at the installed
> software and realized this thing is useless.
>

> </rant>
>
> nb

You're too old-school ;). *untu users are not supposed to compile, that's
what they and Debian have 30 000+ binary packages for.

Barnabyh

[notbob]

On 2012-05-25, Ed Wilson <ewi...@jackmaxton.com> wrote:

> The RandR extension to X gives user-space Resize and Rotate capabilities.
> There are at least two programs included with Slackware that will use the
> extension.
>
> 1.krandrtray, KDE tray program for manipulating the display using RandR
> extension
>
> 2.xrandr, primitive command line interface to RandR extension (Description
> borrowed from the man page).

Thanks fer the info, Ed.

Bottom line, jes needed to trust Pat to do his thing. ;)

I ran xorgsetup and all is Jake. 3 screens/questions is all it
entailed. Res defaulted to highest (1920x1080) and aspect ratio did
whatever it does to make it all good. I upped konsole a couple
notches on font, and seamonkey is still good enough I only hafta
Cntrl-Alt-+ no more than previously. Images are correct aspect ratio
and clear as a bell. I'm not sure if images should fill the entire
screen, which they don't, but at least there is no horz stretching.

nb --happy slack camper

[notbob]

On 2012-05-22, Mr. B-o-B <mr.che...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed. If your budget allows kick down 50 more bucks, and get a video
> card from this century. Here is a decent one online that should work
> (assuming you have an old school agp slot)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139043R

Thanks for the tip, Mr B, but I don't deal with newegg.

I'm seeing wacky behavior with this thing and the new xorg.conf
generated by xorgsetup. I can see I do need to get a new vid card.
This looks promising:

<http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4410189&CatId=2234>

Whatya think?

I'm gonna throw a .5G RAM stick my box and see if that helps,
somewhat, but I can see I really do need to update cards, mobos, etc.
This monitor is too cool to give up. ;)

nb

[notbob]

On 2012-05-26, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

> This looks promising:
>
><http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4410189&CatId=2234>
>
> Whatya think?

DOH! Jes looked at spec for my ancient Asus mobo. Gotta be a 1.5V
vid card, not a 3.3V vid card. Still looking.

[Henrik Carlqvist]

notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> but I can see I really do need to update cards, mobos, etc.

If you have any plans to update your motherboard, do not order any new
graphics adapter until you know which motherboard to use. Your next
motherboard is probably not going to have any AGP slot.

[notbob]

On 2012-05-26, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.C...@deadspam.com> wrote:

> If you have any plans to update your motherboard, do not order any new
> graphics adapter until you know which motherboard to use. Your next
> motherboard is probably not going to have any AGP slot.

Good point, Henrik. I'll prolly go back to old xorg.conf file, which
gave me wide-strech images, but no wacky errors in fluxbox and
Xwindows. I really do need to upgrade. :\

[Bud]

notbob wrote:
>
> One step at a time. The spec sheet shows it has a vga connector, so I'll
> get the monitor first. Then, probly ugrade whole m/b or box, if I can find
> one free/cheap. Like my slack box, I'm old and outdated! Besides, I can't
> see fer dammit and 23" at any res will be a step up. ;)
>
> Thanks for all the replies and info, gang. AOLS is still the best.
>
> nb

I was looking around wunnerful Wal*fart after my visit
to the pharmacy to pick up some cipro for another
bladder infection, dammit. But they were on lunch break
so after finding a emachine for $290, first one I
haven't built since I've graduated from a Sanyo(don't
ask), with 4GB mem, dual core AMD, 500GB HD and no
monitor but picked up a 23" LED one for TV etc. for
$168. Other stuff to do it up proper. What the hell I
say, I have been spending money for me instead of
lending it out.
--
Bud

[P. Thompson]

Your motherboard is too cool to give up! While you're at it, why don't
you try to find a HD and CPU that would fit it? You'd save on postage!

[notbob]

On 2012-05-27, P. Thompson <p...@betterlucknexttime.com> wrote:

> Your motherboard is too cool to give up! While you're at it, why don't
> you try to find a HD and CPU that would fit it? You'd save on postage!

I got my 23" flat-panel to go to 1280x1024 res, with only slight width
stretching. It will easily go to 1920x1080 VGA, with no aspect ratio
issues at all, but there are other worse problems. Keyboard text
entries in both fluxbox and Seamonkey are totally whacked out. FB
shows only the top half of the "Run programs" box, the lower text
entry half missing entirely. The text in a number of other text-entry
boxes in Seamonkey, including Google and DuckDuckGo do not appear at
all, requiring me to blind enter search text. Youtube and other video
stuff is totally hosed. Unsatisfactory.

The 1280x1024 res is a good trade off. Plenty of screen acreage with
only minor width distortion. This using the nouveau driver. Still
looking for an xorg.conf setting for the aspect ration, but may hafta
change to the nvidia driver. It's getting it better, but quite
perfect. ;)

[P. Thompson]

On 05/27/2012 09:38 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-05-27, P. Thompson<p...@betterlucknexttime.com> wrote:
>
>> Your motherboard is too cool to give up! While you're at it, why don't
>> you try to find a HD and CPU that would fit it? You'd save on postage!
>
> I got my 23" flat-panel to go to 1280x1024 res, with only slight width
> stretching. It will easily go to 1920x1080 VGA, with no aspect ratio
> issues at all, but there are other worse problems. Keyboard text
> entries in both fluxbox and Seamonkey are totally whacked out. FB
> shows only the top half of the "Run programs" box, the lower text
> entry half missing entirely. The text in a number of other text-entry
> boxes in Seamonkey, including Google and DuckDuckGo do not appear at
> all, requiring me to blind enter search text. Youtube and other video
> stuff is totally hosed. Unsatisfactory.

This world is fucked up, man. No way out of it!

[Chick Tower]

On 2012-05-28, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Still looking for an xorg.conf setting for the aspect ratio....

Have you tried the DisplaySize setting in the Monitor section, n.b.? It
worked for me when I recently bought a used 17" monitor that has a wider
aspect than a 17" CRT monitor.
--
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[Ralph]

notbob wrote:


>
> The 1280x1024 res is a good trade off. Plenty of screen acreage with
> only minor width distortion. This using the nouveau driver. Still
> looking for an xorg.conf setting for the aspect ration, but may hafta
> change to the nvidia driver. It's getting it better, but quite
> perfect. ;)
>

I hate that I don't use the opensource nvidia drivers, but since they just
don't give me what I need, *yet*, I use the stock nvidia drivers from
Nvidia. They work damn well and are easy to install ->

download NVIDIA-Linux-x86-295.33.run (this one works for me, and since I'm
on dial-up and it works, there's no need for me to keep trying to have the
bleeding edge when there's very little difference between this one and the
very latest)

boot system into init 3

become root

mc (midnight commander) -or- if you're good enough at the command line get
to the directory with that file

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-295.33.run

answer questions (usually just hitting 'enter' will work fine)

reboot into your regular desktop

open up a command line and enter glxgears and see what the driver is giving
you

You'll also have an nvidia thing in the menu now that should be able to help
with the screen resolution