OT someone seems to have stolen my email address. help?
Leon Whyte
not my problem
I have a web site and lately I have not been able to receive any email at it.
The site is www.okv.ca and the email addresses are: in...@okv.ca and leo...@okv.ca
I have 2 email addresses on this site and I get the email from them using SquirrelMail.
It was working until I tried to check the mail a couple of weeks back. I don't get very
much email at this web site but I was about to start using the site for business and was
doing a check of the email address. I find I can't get any email there.
I did a search of my url on google.
I found that another company has put my email address on their web page.
Is it possible for someone to steal my address?
I have sent a few emails to my web site and it never arrives.
If you know where on the net I can find some help I will appreciate it much
Thank you.
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Leon
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Henrik Carlqvist
> I know this has nothing to do with Slackware or Linux. I use Linux
> Slackware but that is not my problem
Your configuration might be part of your problem.
> I have a web site and lately I have not been able to receive any email
> at it. The site is www.okv.ca and the email addresses are: in...@okv.ca
> and leo...@okv.ca I have 2 email addresses on this site and I get the
> email from them using SquirrelMail. It was working until I tried to
> check the mail a couple of weeks back. I don't get very much email at
> this web site
Uh oh, after posting your email addresses to usenet you might get a lot of
spam in the future...
> but I was about to start using the site for business and was doing a
> check of the email address. I find I can't get any email there.
A few checks:
whois okv.ca
...
Administrative contact:
Name: Leo Whiteway
...
Name servers:
ns1.dns77.com
ns2.dns77.com
...
So dns77.com seems to provide DNS servers for your domain.
dig okv.ca MX
...
okv.ca. 3600 IN MX 10 eg1.dns77.com.
okv.ca. 3600 IN MX 10 eg2.dns77.com.
...
And they also seem to provide your email servers.
My guess is that dns77.com is losing your emails for some reason. Maybe
there is a spam filter which throws all incoming emails away for you. The
support staff at dns77.com is probably the best people to ask why your
email gets lost.
> I did a search of my url on google.
> I found that another company has put my email address on their web page.
> Is it possible for someone to steal my address?
Not unless they have hacked into your account at dns77.com.
> I have sent a few emails to my web site and it never arrives.
If you can see in your logs on the sending server that eg1.dns77.com or
eg2.dns77.com accepted your email for delivery the email was lost on their
side. If you don't have any such log the email might just as well have
been lost at the sender side. Did you try to send from different email
servers? Are you able to send email from in...@okv.ca to leo...@okv.ca?
regards Henrik
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Sylvain Robitaille
> I have a web site and lately I have not been able to receive any email
> at it. The site is www.okv.ca and the email addresses are:
> in...@okv.ca and leo...@okv.ca
Check with the service provider that is doing mail relaying for your
domain:
: charlotte[syl] ~; host -tmx okv.ca
okv.ca mail is handled by 10 eg2.dns77.com.
okv.ca mail is handled by 10 eg1.dns77.com.
> I found that another company has put my email address on their web page.
> Is it possible for someone to steal my address?
Only if they can override the MX records for the DNS zone containing your
address. The output of "whois okv.ca" tells us it's registered to "Leo
Whiteway" in Kelowna, BC. Is that you? Name service is being provided by
"dns77.com". Is that as you expect? As noted above, the same service
provider appears to be handling mail for that domain. Can you check
(or have the service provider check) that the mail configuration for
that domain is as you expect?
> I have sent a few emails to my web site and it never arrives.
Check with your mail service provider. See above and determin whether
the MX records are what you believe they should be.
I hope this helps ...
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Sylvain Robitaille s...@encs.concordia.ca
Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Leon Whyte
Well the original hoster of my site seems to have sold it to shaw.ca to host and after
several emails back and forth they don't seem to be able to understand that I am not
complaining about someone picking up my mail from the site but that someone is using my
email address and seems to be able to do that easily.
I think that they are probably not too up on technical things.
My next question is: If I moved my web site to another outfit, would that move my email
too? I have talked to the people who are using my email address and the think they are
doing it legally and won't budge.
P.S. my name is Leo Whiteway and I am using Leon Whyte as an alias.
Thanks for the response.
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Leo
Leon Whyte
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:08:31 GMT, Leon Whyte wrote:
>
>> I have a web site and lately I have not been able to receive any email
>> at it. The site is www.okv.ca and the email addresses are:
>> in...@okv.ca and leo...@okv.ca
>
> Check with the service provider that is doing mail relaying for your
> domain:
>
> : charlotte[syl] ~; host -tmx okv.ca
> okv.ca mail is handled by 10 eg2.dns77.com.
> okv.ca mail is handled by 10 eg1.dns77.com.
>
>> I found that another company has put my email address on their web page.
>> Is it possible for someone to steal my address?
>
> Only if they can override the MX records for the DNS zone containing your
> address. The output of "whois okv.ca" tells us it's registered to "Leo
> Whiteway" in Kelowna, BC. Is that you?
Name service is being provided by
> "dns77.com". Is that as you expect? As noted above, the same service
> provider appears to be handling mail for that domain. Can you check
> (or have the service provider check) that the mail configuration for
> that domain is as you expect?
I actually registered the web site with a different company and they seem to have sold
out to Shaw.ca
>
>> I have sent a few emails to my web site and it never arrives.
>
> Check with your mail service provider. See above and determin whether
> the MX records are what you believe they should be.
>
> I hope this helps ...
>
Thanks for your replay.
--
Leo
Robby Workman
> I know this has nothing to do with Slackware or Linux. I use Linux Slackware but that is
> not my problem
> I have a web site and lately I have not been able to receive any email at it.
> The site is www.okv.ca and the email addresses are: in...@okv.ca and leo...@okv.ca
> I have 2 email addresses on this site and I get the email from them using SquirrelMail.
> It was working until I tried to check the mail a couple of weeks back. I don't get very
> much email at this web site but I was about to start using the site for business and was
> doing a check of the email address. I find I can't get any email there.
> I did a search of my url on google.
> I found that another company has put my email address on their web page.
> Is it possible for someone to steal my address?
> I have sent a few emails to my web site and it never arrives.
Wow. I originally chalked this up to "whatever, that guy has no idea
what he's talking about," but after reading more and poking around at
it myself, this is disturbing.
Have you actually emailed in...@okv.ca and gotten a response from some
other person? (one of your other posts seem to imply that you had)
I have no idea how registrant could allow this to happen, but you
need to contact these folks:
http://www.cira.ca/registrants/
and go from there.
Once you get it sorted out, I'd look into putting a .forward in place
so that all of the mail that the other company is expected still gets
to them (in other words, don't let them have any indication that the
game is now in your hands). Let it go for a few weeks, and then use
your imagination. :-)
BTW, is this the other company you mentioned?
http://www.seankennedy.ca/portfolio/HTML-CSS/okanagan-vineyards/form.html
-RW
Leon Whyte
It looks like the page is hosted an some else's web site.
>
> -RW
Thanks for the info. I have tried sending messages to my email: in...@okv.ca with a phone
number for them to call but no soap.
I just finished emailing http://www.cira.ca/registrants and we will see what they have
to say.
Thanks.
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Leo
Henrik Carlqvist
> My next question is: If I moved my web site to another outfit, would
> that move my email too?
Moving your web site to a new web hotel will also cause all new emails to
your domain to go through your new web hotel email system. However earlier
posted emails laying around in any imap or pop server will not be moved.
Lew Pitcher
(leon....@gmail.com) wrote:
> I know this has nothing to do with Slackware or Linux. I use Linux
> Slackware but that is not my problem
> I have a web site and lately I have not been able to receive any email at
> it. The site is www.okv.ca and the email addresses are: in...@okv.ca and
> leo...@okv.ca
[snip]
> I found that another company has put my email address
> on their web page.
You have two unrelated problems.
1) Your email service is broken. By your description, emails sent to your
addresses never reach your email service.
2) Someone used your email address in a demo webpage. *This is not a
problem*.
a) Your email address is *just text*. *Anyone* can place the text
*anywhere*, without causing your email to fall over.
b) The webpage you found your email address on is a *demo* page drawn up
by a website designer. It is (poorly) hidden on his site; his main page
shows it /only/ as an example of the sort of web design work he
involves himself in.
To fix your problem(s):
1) Email the owner of the www.seankennedy.ca website (Sean Kennedy -
des...@seankennedy.ca) and ask him to correct his web page. If he
co-operates, then he will remove the spurious text that is your email
address from his webpage.
2) Pursue your email reception problems with your email provider. Your DNS
service says that email to @okv.ca goes to eg1.dns77.com, and WHOIS says
that the administrative/technical contact for dns77.com is
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Oglesby, Gary ga...@brownbear.us
6045 E Selkirk Circle
Mesa, AZ 85215
US
480-654-1923 fax: 123 123 1234
Now, you have an email address to talk to. And a phone number. And a
snail-mail address. Use them. Follow the path. Since /you/ are the
registered lessor of okv.ca, /you/ have the obligation to follow-up on
these things. At least, that's what you claimed when you registered okv.ca
with CIRA
Administrative contact:
Name: Leo Whiteway
Job Title:
Postal address:
Kelowna BC V1X 4A6 Canada
Phone: 2508680768
Fax:
Email: lbwhi...@gmail.com
Technical contact:
Name: Leo Whiteway
Job Title:
Postal address:
Kelowna BC V1X 4A6 Canada
Phone: 2508680768
Fax:
Email: lbwhi...@gmail.com
HTH
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On 2009-11-03, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.C...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> Moving your web site to a new web hotel will also cause all new emails to
> your domain to go through your new web hotel email system. However earlier
> posted emails laying around in any imap or pop server will not be moved.
*sigh*... People who do not understand e-mail or DNS should not comment
on e-mail and DNS matters.
Simply moving the web hosting service will not do a damn thing
regarding e-mail. He could even setup mail.okv.ca and it would not
receive any e-mails until the MX records for okv.ca are changed. He
needs to login to his account with the registrar he purchased the
domain from, and ensure that MX records are set properly. If so, (and
assuming these people are hosting his e-mail, which appears to be the
case), he should simply change the passwords for any e-mail accounts.
This would lock these other people out.
Better yet, change the MX record to point to a mail server he owns and
operates, but that may be well beyond his skill-set to administrate at
this time.
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It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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Leon Whyte
> On 2009-11-03, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.C...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>> Moving your web site to a new web hotel will also cause all new emails to
>> your domain to go through your new web hotel email system. However earlier
>> posted emails laying around in any imap or pop server will not be moved.
>
> *sigh*... People who do not understand e-mail or DNS should not comment
> on e-mail and DNS matters.
>
> Simply moving the web hosting service will not do a damn thing
> regarding e-mail. He could even setup mail.okv.ca and it would not
> receive any e-mails until the MX records for okv.ca are changed. He
> needs to login to his account with the registrar he purchased the
> domain from, and ensure that MX records are set properly. If so, (and
> assuming these people are hosting his e-mail, which appears to be the
> case), he should simply change the passwords for any e-mail accounts.
> This would lock these other people out.
>
> Better yet, change the MX record to point to a mail server he owns and
> operates, but that may be well beyond his skill-set to administrate at
> this time.
>
OK people thank you for all the advice.
It turns out that the mx records were broken. The original people I bought the hosting
from apparently sold their company to Shaw.ca and during the transfer the mx records
were mucked up.
It is all fixed now and Lew was right the thief who stole my email address was just
using it as an example on his web site.
He was not trying to steal it. He has removed it so it is not and was not anything to do
with my problem.
I have things working now and thanks for the help and my skills are not even close to
running my own mail server.
--
Leo Whiteway
Grant
>
>Simply moving the web hosting service will not do a damn thing
>regarding e-mail. He could even setup mail.okv.ca and it would not
>receive any e-mails until the MX records for okv.ca are changed. He
>needs to login to his account with the registrar he purchased the
>domain from, and ensure that MX records are set properly. If so, (and
>assuming these people are hosting his e-mail, which appears to be the
>case), he should simply change the passwords for any e-mail accounts.
>This would lock these other people out.
>
>Better yet, change the MX record to point to a mail server he owns and
>operates, but that may be well beyond his skill-set to administrate at
>this time.
Or use google apps -- it's an easy solution where there's only a few
users (free for non-commercial < 50 users). I setup a friend's new
domain last week with google apps email and a simple web site to
replace the parked domain one. Didn't take long, and, I was rusty
since previous time I did this was over a year ago with bugsplatter.
You're right about setting MX records though -- my registrar makes the
thing easy to set with a button for their email hosting service, and
another button for google. For google, one follows the steps and adds
a temp CNAME so google knows one controls the domain name and fills in
MX records for mail.domain.name.
Grant.
--
http://bugsplatter.id.au
Henrik Carlqvist
> Simply moving the web hosting service will not do a damn thing regarding
> e-mail.
Usually the web hotel does not only provide a space for web pages but also
provide some kind of email service. That service might be a pop server,
some kind of webmail or only email aliases.
> He could even setup mail.okv.ca and it would not receive any e-mails
> until the MX records for okv.ca are changed.
Of course the MX record as well as the A record will have to be changed in
DNS. If the DNS records aren't changed all emails will go to the old email
server and all browser visitors will still see the old web page on the old
web hotel.
> He needs to login to his account with the registrar he purchased the
> domain from, and ensure that MX records are set properly.
Usually the web hotels are able to help on this. However, beware of some
hotels which might be a little too "helpful" and claim control and
ownership of the domain. Once in the claws of such an evil web hotel it is
very hard to change webhotel again.
Res
> Or use google apps -- it's an easy solution where there's only a few
You seriously trust google with _anyones_ mail ? :)
Apart from the missing messages (not as bad as hotmail tho), you are
subject to Googles (U.S) privacy laws, this is fine if your friends are
in the U.S, but there privacy laws are far from as strict as ours, this
was highlighted when google was vying to host mail for some university in
NSW, the decision was student mail to google, staff mail would stay local
for privacy concerns...
Oh not to mention the several mass outages they have had this year alone,
which apparently did see a lot of mail vanish into hte magical blackhole.
I'd trust hotmail before Google any day :)
--
Res
"What does Windows have that Linux doesn't?" - One hell of a lot of bugs!
Res
> Usually the web hotels are able to help on this. However, beware of some
> hotels which might be a little too "helpful" and claim control and
This also places the onus on the webhost to ensure the domain stays
current, and if they register it, technically, it is the web hosts.
> ownership of the domain. Once in the claws of such an evil web hotel it is
> very hard to change webhotel again.
True, I've seen this a lot at my last employers with people trying to
transfer to us, it usually ended up lining the pockets of lawyers.
Grant
>On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Grant wrote:
>
>> Or use google apps -- it's an easy solution where there's only a few
>
>You seriously trust google with _anyones_ mail ? :)
Seems okay for me, lot better than ISP's mail, and saves me running
spam filter, etc on top of configuring sendmail here. Got hundreds
email / day from lkml. I can use valid addr here and not worry about
spam.
>
>Apart from the missing messages (not as bad as hotmail tho), you are
>subject to Googles (U.S) privacy laws, this is fine if your friends are
>in the U.S, but there privacy laws are far from as strict as ours, this
>was highlighted when google was vying to host mail for some university in
>NSW, the decision was student mail to google, staff mail would stay local
>for privacy concerns...
>
>Oh not to mention the several mass outages they have had this year alone,
>which apparently did see a lot of mail vanish into hte magical blackhole.
Didn't notice that here :) If google mail handling didn't work
I'd use something else. Couple times I've had to train the filter
to be less agressive in the last year, and filtered mail is still
available for 30 days.
>I'd trust hotmail before Google any day :)
Erk! No thanks.
Grant.
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http://bugsplatter.id.au
Res
>> I'd trust hotmail before Google any day :)
>
> Erk! No thanks.
Hey hotmail also respond to abuse/spam complaints and take action, that's
something google has *NEVER* done, and not just from my POV either, many
have complained about habbitual soamemrs and they are still spamming from
it.
r...@lewpitcherisgay.com
> Hey hotmail also respond to abuse/spam complaints and take action, that's
> something google has *NEVER* done, and not just from my POV either, many
> have complained about habbitual soamemrs and they are still spamming from
> it.
Poor baby suck. Nobody will listen to his complaints. Boo hoo.
Nobody will take action. Nobody will dance to baby suck's tune.
Boo hoo.
cordially, even to baby suck,
rm
steveski
I looked up "hypocrite" in the dictionary and it said "see: rm".
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Steveski
Dan C
> Poor baby suck. Nobody will listen to his complaints. Boo hoo.
Are you still whining about the domain you neglected and lost?
> Nobody will take action. Nobody will dance to baby suck's tune.
That's right. Nobody cares about your former domain. Get over it, loser.
> cordially, even to baby suck,
Bugger off, troll.
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Res
aww poor woger still wying woz he wost wiz domain buwhahahahahahaa
r...@lewpitcherstealsdomains.com
What dictionary would that be?
One written by yourself?
cordially, as always,
rm
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Lew Pitcher watched an old lady drop one hundred dollars, whereupon
he seized it, waved it in the old lady's face, crying "Finders
keepers, losers weepers!" He then telephoned Dan C and the two
celebrated his good fortune.
r...@lewpitcherstealsdomains.com
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:03:01 +0000, rm whined:
>> Poor baby suck. Nobody will listen to his complaints. Boo hoo.
>
> Are you still whining about the domain you neglected and lost?
Have you ever posted anything constructive?
Ever? Could you repost it?
r...@lewpitcherstealsdomains.com
> aww poor woger still wying woz he wost wiz domain buwhahahahahahaa
And who is "woger?" Do you mean "Roger?"
Are we back to the Roger Manyard crap again? Is that the only tune
you know?
steveski
> steveski <stev...@invalid.com> trolled:
>> r...@LewPitcherIsGay.com wrote:
>>
>>> Res <r...@ausics.net> trolled:
>>>
>>>> Hey hotmail also respond to abuse/spam complaints and take action,
>>>> that's something google has *NEVER* done, and not just from my POV
>>>> either, many have complained about habbitual soamemrs and they are
>>>> still spamming from it.
>>>
>>> Poor baby suck. Nobody will listen to his complaints. Boo hoo.
>>>
>>> Nobody will take action. Nobody will dance to baby suck's tune.
>>>
>>> Boo hoo.
>>>
>>> cordially, even to baby suck,
>>
>> I looked up "hypocrite" in the dictionary and it said "see: rm".
>
> What dictionary would that be?
>
> One written by yourself?
Do you not see your hypocrisy in your reply to Res? If not, I would also
suggest that you look up "psychopathy".
BTW - your sig. separator is broken. HTH HAND
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Steveski
Dan C
> Dan C <youmust...@lan.invalid> trolled:
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:03:01 +0000, rm whined:
>
>>> Poor baby suck. Nobody will listen to his complaints. Boo hoo.
>>
>> Are you still whining about the domain you neglected and lost?
>
> Have you ever posted anything constructive?
Yes.
> Ever?
Yes. This is a redundant question, dimwit.
> Could you repost it?
No, I will not.
> cordially, as always,
r...@lewpitcher.ca
> Do you not see your hypocrisy in your reply to Res? If not, I would also
> suggest that you look up "psychopathy".
We never made any kind of reply to Res, whoever he is supposed to
be. Perhaps you should examine the headers a little more carefully
before you make an ass of yourself again, in the future.
> BTW - your sig. separator is broken. HTH HAND
We don't have a .sig separator. We don't have a .sig. If we did,
then morons like you could filter it out.
And we couldn't have that...of course, if you happen to think that
whatever happens after "--" is a .sig, then you are most cordially
welcome to think what you will.
You're a little bit slow for this crowd, sweetie. You should lurk
awhile until you catch on. We already have Dan C and we hardly need
another clueless imbecile in this ng.
steveski
> steveski <stev...@invalid.com> trolled:
>
>> Do you not see your hypocrisy in your reply to Res? If not, I would also
>> suggest that you look up "psychopathy".
>
> We never made any kind of reply to Res, whoever he is supposed to
> be. Perhaps you should examine the headers a little more carefully
> before you make an ass of yourself again, in the future.
"Res <r...@ausics.net> trolled:
> Hey hotmail also respond to abuse/spam complaints and take action, that's
> something google has NEVER done, and not just from my POV either, many
> have complained about habbitual soamemrs and they are still spamming from
> it.
Poor baby suck. Nobody will listen to his complaints. Boo hoo.
Nobody will take action. Nobody will dance to baby suck's tune.
Boo hoo.
cordially, even to baby suck,
rm"
So that's not a reply?.
>> BTW - your sig. separator is broken. HTH HAND
>
> We don't have a .sig separator. We don't have a .sig. If we did,
> then morons like you could filter it out.
>
> And we couldn't have that...of course, if you happen to think that
> whatever happens after "--" is a .sig, then you are most cordially
> welcome to think what you will.
Fair enough - it isn't a sig; it's just a piece of infantile,
playground-level vitriol that shows you for the self-centred brat that you
are.
> You're a little bit slow for this crowd, sweetie. You should lurk
> awhile until you catch on. We already have Dan C and we hardly need
another clueless imbecile in this ng.
After months of lurking, your psychopathic and insulting rantings were too
much and I gave in.
> rm
> -- (space needed here)
Non-sig follows:
> Lew Pitcher watched an old lady drop one hundred dollars, whereupon
> he seized it, waved it in the old lady's face, crying "Finders
> keepers, losers weepers!" He then telephoned Dan C and the two
> celebrated his good fortune.
And you wonder why people hate you? No, you probably don't because in your
castle-in-the-sky you are supreme and always correct - the royal use
of "we" is a dead giveaway, pal. Grow up.
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Steveski