usenet on Slackware Linux
Vwaju
My good-for-nothing ISP (RCN) claims that they do not run a news
server.
What are my options in this instance? The KNode manual says that some
universities run news servers that they will let you use. Does anyone
know of such?
Can I run my own news server on my Slackware desktop?
Thanks & Best Regards,
Vwaju
Two Ravens
> I am setting up KNode as my newsreader.
>
> My good-for-nothing ISP (RCN) claims that they do not run a news
> server.
>
> What are my options in this instance? The KNode manual says that some
> universities run news servers that they will let you use. Does anyone
> know of such?
Try here for a start,http://tinyurl.com/5k8zxh after that try any good search
engine using the term free news servers.
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"...hit the squirrel..."
Peter Chant
individual.net is good for text only newsgroups. Not free, 10 euros a year.
Helmut Hullen
Du meintest am 29.06.09:
> I am setting up KNode as my newsreader.
> My good-for-nothing ISP (RCN) claims that they do not run a news
> server.
Try
individual.de
albasani.net
motzarella.org
Viele Gruesse
Helmut
"Ubuntu" - an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
emmel
> Hallo, Vwaju,
>
> Du meintest am 29.06.09:
>
>> I am setting up KNode as my newsreader.
>
>> My good-for-nothing ISP (RCN) claims that they do not run a news
>> server.
>
> Try
>
> individual.de
> albasani.net
> motzarella.org
Actually Motzarella is just now switching the name to eternal-september.
Good choice, though, and you can't beat the price.
emmel
> I am setting up KNode as my newsreader.
>
> My good-for-nothing ISP (RCN) claims that they do not run a news
> server.
All to common these days.
> What are my options in this instance? The KNode manual says that some
> universities run news servers that they will let you use. Does anyone
> know of such?
>
> Can I run my own news server on my Slackware desktop?
You can, but you really don't want to do that.
Glyn Millington
Well leafnode is a good compromise - see here for set up details.
http://www.andrews-corner.org/leafnode.html
atb
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Peter Chant
> Well leafnode is a good compromise - see here for set up details.
Did use inn for a while, but it is best only for the real masochists. The
two things that used to put me into a cold sweat when reinstalling slack
were inn and sendmail, though the latter seems friendlier nowadays.
Pete
Grant Taylor
> My good-for-nothing ISP (RCN) claims that they do not run a news
> server.
Typical.
One good thing about more and more ISPs dropping Usenet is that the
level of spam may start dropping as there is less return for it. (I can
dream can't I?)
> What are my options in this instance? The KNode manual says that
> some universities run news servers that they will let you use. Does
> anyone know of such?
Some universities /did/ run news servers. You can ask if a university
near you still does, though I wouldn't hold my breath. /If/ they do run
a news server, /then/ you can ask if they will let you use it, something
else I wouldn't hold my breath for.
Like others have mentioned, there are a number of free (text only) news
servers out there. I used Motzarella for a while before starting
starting a new news server for my ISP. (They were outsourcing the
service for a monthly fee and now I'm running the box they are hosing
and we are both benefiting.)
> Can I run my own news server on my Slackware desktop?
You absolutely can run a news server on Slackware. Though I don't know
that I would do it on a desktop (as in a computer that may not always be
on) or not. I'd be tempted to do it on more of a server system. You
will want a static IP for both your internet connection and your news
server with in your LAN. (That is if you are doing port forwarding.)
Another option is to configure your system to pull UUCP "Bag" files from
an upstream server from a dynamic IP. (I am currently providing UUCP
Bag files for one peer and would have no problem enabling them for another.)
I will say that you should probably plan on circa 750 MB worth of
traffic a day. (My news server sees between 500 and 1000 MB of inbound
traffic a day and I have pushed up to 2 GB a day outbound to peers.) So
I don't know if you will want to run that much traffic on your home system.
You may be much more interested in a smaller set up like leafnode or INN
/ DNEWS that are being feed via suck (or similar). I've not done it my
self, but I have been told that DNEWS can be configured to suck from
upstream servers for only the newsgroups that you are actively
subscribed to. I.e. if you check a news group that is currently not
being (suck) feed DNEWS will go out and get the articles for it.
Similarly DNEWS will stop feeding a newsgroup after people stop
subscribing to it.
If you do end up setting up a true news server drop me an email when you
are ready to set up peering as I'd be happy to peer with you. (I
believe in keeping good things alive on the internet.)
Grant. . . .
Grant Taylor
> Did use inn for a while, but it is best only for the real masochists.
> The two things that used to put me into a cold sweat when
> reinstalling slack were inn and sendmail, though the latter seems
> friendlier nowadays.
Hum. I've never had a problem with either Sendmail or INN. Granted
there is a bit of a learning curve for both but support has always
seemed good for me (at least in the last 10 years).
Grant. . . .
Steve Youngs
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* emmel <em...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> Thus Vwaju spoke:
>> Can I run my own news server on my Slackware desktop?
> You can, but you really don't want to do that.
I disagree. It is very unlikely that you'll have any peers feeding you
news and it is trivial to prevent anyone from leeching news from you. I
have very happily run a news server (INN) for years with no adverse
affects.
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Grant Taylor
> It is very unlikely that you'll have any peers feeding you news...
Why is it unlikely that the OP will have any peers?
I take it that you are using suck to feed your server? (Would you like
to set up a feed with me?)
I can say that all it took for me to get peers was to ask for them in
news.admin.peering (formerly alt.usenet.peering). With in a matter of
days I had offers of people willing to peer with me and we had things
set up with in a week or so. In fact, D. Stussy from snarked.org was my
first peer and we had it set up and running with in 48 hours of my
initial request.
Grant. . . .
Keith Keller
>
> You may be much more interested in a smaller set up like leafnode or INN
> / DNEWS that are being feed via suck (or similar). I've not done it my
> self, but I have been told that DNEWS can be configured to suck from
> upstream servers for only the newsgroups that you are actively
> subscribed to.
leafnode can do the same. I really like leafnode a lot. It is not
meant to be used in a high-traffic environment, but if you only have a
few (or a few dozen?) nntp clients leafnode should be fine. You still
need a feed, though.
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Helmut Hullen
Du meintest am 29.06.09:
> Can I run my own news server on my Slackware desktop?
For your own news? or for other people?
If you only want something like an offline news reader: what about
"openxp" (formerly known as "crosspoint")?
<http://helmut.hullen.de/filebox/Linux/slackware/n/openxp-4.10.7369-i386-1hln.tgz>
Steve Youngs
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* Grant Taylor <gta...@riverviewtech.net> writes:
> On 6/29/2009 10:10 PM, Steve Youngs wrote:
>> It is very unlikely that you'll have any peers feeding you news...
> Why is it unlikely that the OP will have any peers?
I think because he didn't say "I have these folks who want to push news
at me..." :-)
> I take it that you are using suck to feed your server?
newsx <http://www.kvaleberg.com/newsx.html>
> (Would you like to set up a feed with me?)
It is an idea that I've toyed with on occasion. I can't decide on
whether there'd be much benefit for me (or you) though.
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Grant Taylor
> I think because he didn't say "I have these folks who want to push
> news at me..." :-)
Possible.
Though I think you have to have the news server before you have peers
for it.
> It is an idea that I've toyed with on occasion. I can't decide on
> whether there'd be much benefit for me (or you) though.
In some ways doing a (push) feed is more efficient. This is because
this does not require polling as it is demand driven in such as your
peer will send something to you when they have something rather than you
continually looking and possibly finding something or nothing.
There is also the fact that it's neat and fun to do.
Grant. . . .
Vwaju
Thank you, all, for the valuable input. I have a lot of stuff to
learn about Slackware, and learning to run my own news server doesn't
seem like a priority (since there is an alternative). For now, I'll
use one of the free news servers that were mentioned.
Best Regards,
Vwaju
New York City
Sylvain Robitaille
> newsx <http://www.kvaleberg.com/newsx.html>
Odd, that URL gives me a 404:
The requested URL /newsx.html was not found on this server.
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wexfordpress
I read news online via Google. FWIW.
John Culleton
Grant
...
>I read news online via Google. FWIW.
Gack! That's where google does do evil, ever since they 'bought the
Internet' (bought dejanews (sp?) + archive).
Grant.
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Loki Harfagr
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:42:08 -0700 (PDT), wexfordpress
> <jo...@wexfordpress.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>>I read news online via Google. FWIW.
>
> Gack! That's where google does do evil, ever since they 'bought the
> Internet' (bought dejanews (sp?) + archive).
>
> Grant.
seconded, including, below, transl(iter)?ation for transient visitors
(/lol +1 /\lol)
(/msn clickme%£g$#. 0x800000AJFOLD756000B merr /\msn)
(/GG me2 (++counter++)*%self%!(gulp%cookiez) /\GG)
Grant Taylor
> Gack! That's where google does do evil, ever since they 'bought the
> Internet' (bought dejanews (sp?) + archive).
I don't /dis/like Google's interface to Usenet archives. In fact their
search is a (IMHO) nicer and easier than subscribing to and searching
through individual newsgroups.
What I do have a problem with is the masses that knew nothing about
Usenet that are now using Google's interface and spamming usenet because
they can.
Grant. . . .
Dan C
There are very few activities you can do online that are *LAMER* than
using Google Gropes to post to Usenet. Please see the UIP link in my sig
for more info and corrective actions.
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Grant
>On 7/2/2009 3:43 PM, Grant wrote:
>> Gack! That's where google does do evil, ever since they 'bought the
>> Internet' (bought dejanews (sp?) + archive).
>
>I don't /dis/like Google's interface to Usenet archives. In fact their
>search is a (IMHO) nicer and easier than subscribing to and searching
>through individual newsgroups.
Well yes, if you seek a particluar target. But the regular use seems
far easier with a small subset of the groups, or has for me since ooh,
1990 or '91 -- back before AOLers and Eternal September made such a
mess.
>
>What I do have a problem with is the masses that knew nothing about
>Usenet that are now using Google's interface and spamming usenet because
>they can.
Yeah, this is the bad point, I think most agree on, though John C.
demonstrates a thinking person can quote context and post a sensible
looking message with GG.
Grant.
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notbob
> I disagree. It is very unlikely that you'll have any peers feeding you
> news and it is trivial to prevent anyone from leeching news from you.
Sounds like you are talking to yourself. Where does one get news from if
not from peers?
nb
Logan Rathbone
If you're only interested in text-based news (ie, no alt.binaries), then
just go to eternal-september.org, sign up, and get on with your life.
Grant Taylor
> If you're only interested in text-based news (ie, no alt.binaries),
> then just go to eternal-september.org, sign up, and get on with your
> life.
This will indeed work.
However I can tell you there is a significant difference in performance
between accessing my news server here at my house verses accessing the
one at my ISP (which I run and is feeding the one here at my house) that
is two additional hops and 10 ms away.
I say if the OP (or any one) wants to run their own news (or any) server
and they can make it do what they want to, then by all means, more power
to them. I only have problems when they don't do it properly and cause
problems that propagate out to the net.
Grant. . . .
Peter Chant
> Hum. I've never had a problem with either Sendmail or INN. Granted
> there is a bit of a learning curve for both but support has always
> seemed good for me (at least in the last 10 years).
Problem I found with inn was that it really is not intended for the home
user - so the methods of getting a mailfeed to it were a bit of a pain to
sort.
I think we need something halfway between inn and leafnode, a little more
powerfull than the latter, but with its general ease of config.
Pete
Grant Taylor
> Problem I found with inn was that it really is not intended for the
> home user - so the methods of getting a mailfeed to it were a bit of
> a pain to sort.
Why bother with a mailfeed? Or rather why not bother with either a suck
feed or better yet a full text feed?
> I think we need something halfway between inn and leafnode, a little
> more powerfull than the latter, but with its general ease of config.
I've not messed with it my self, but I've heard good things about D
News. (One of my peers is running it and he tells me some of the things
that it can do.)
Grant. . . .
Peter Chant
> On 7/13/2009 4:33 PM, Peter Chant wrote:
>> Problem I found with inn was that it really is not intended for the
>> home user - so the methods of getting a mailfeed to it were a bit of
>> a pain to sort.
>
> Why bother with a mailfeed? Or rather why not bother with either a suck
> feed or better yet a full text feed?
Sorry, I meant newsfeed not mailfeed, and I meant it in general terms. Last
time I ean (or failed) to run inn the basic sever config seemed fine but I
was having great difficulty with both suck and slurp.