Suggestions for a news reader?
Johannes D.H. Beekhuizen
Currently I'm using tin as a news reader. I am moderately happy
with it. I've also tried slrn, but did not like that at all.
Is there any news reader around, that does NOT require a
graphical environment (my eyes are not too good), and
preferably launch a spell checker (like aspell) when i finish
an article (my fingers don't work too well either, so I need
it).
As usual, thanks in advance for any help.
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Regards,
Hans.
Thomas Ronayne
Dan C
Ummmmm.......
Nevermind.
To the OP, if you didn't like slrn, just stick with tin. There is
nothing better than either of them.
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barnabyh
> Hi,
>
> Currently I'm using tin as a news reader. I am moderately happy
> with it. I've also tried slrn, but did not like that at all.
> Is there any news reader around, that does NOT require a
> graphical environment (my eyes are not too good), and
> preferably launch a spell checker (like aspell)
>
Hi Hans,
You may want to look at Pine/Alpine. Trn may be another option but I
don't know it well enough. Myself I'm a happy user of slrn now, but then
I don't do spell checking - although there's probably a way slrn can do
that.
Thinking of it, would spell checking not be the job of your externally
launched text editor?
Regards,
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notbob
> with it. I've also tried slrn, but did not like that at all.
I'm surprised you don't like slrn. For a CLI newsreader, it's
probably the most popular newsreader around. It's certainly number one
with folks on this newsgroup. What is it you dislike about it?
Perhaps some of us slrn users can help make you experience a little
better.
nb
Sidney Lambe
slrn does not require a graphical environment. And you
can use any editor you want with it. It is the editor
that calls the spell checker. I use nvi and writing
a little macro to call a spellchecker would be childsplay.
I'd just use the one that now calls a paragraph formatter
and change the name of the utility it calls.
slrn really is the best newsreader around. And if you
think it requires a graphical environment then you
haven't actually tried it. I encourage you to do so.
Sid
Murat D. Kadirov
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Aaron W. Hsu
>Currently I'm using tin as a news reader. I am moderately happy
>with it. I've also tried slrn, but did not like that at all.
>Is there any news reader around, that does NOT require a
>graphical environment (my eyes are not too good), and
>preferably launch a spell checker (like aspell) when i finish
>an article (my fingers don't work too well either, so I need
>it).
slrn is definitely the newsreader that most CLI junkies tend to like,
but, if you are using tin, obviously you have more . . . particular in
your tastes. ;-) I actually use NN. I've been maintaining the NN package
for Slackware for a while now, and it just recently was fixed to be more
usable on most people's systems. You'll find the updated packages in
-current, or you can grab them from my site [1]. I really like the NN
newsreader, and for quickly going through lots of news, I have not found
a better newsreader. You can use any editor that you like, and
generally, you can run the spell checker through that editor. On Nvi you
can just call aspell or ispell, and this is similar on most editors. I
use NEdit as my editor, so I have a little script hooked up to classic
spell that then pops up a window of all my mispelled words.
If you are interested in reviewing some comparisons against tin, trn,
and nn, you're welcome to check out the FAQ entry about it [2]. If you
are fairly happy with tin, I would definitely give NN a try.
If you really want to launch a spell checker after your editing session,
this is as simple as creating a little shell script that takes in the
name of the file, calls the editor on it, and then calls the spell
checker on the file after the editor returns.
Aaron W. Hsu
[1] gopher://gopher.sacrideo.us/1nn
[2] http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/software/nn/getting-started/
See Section 1.1: "Why Use nn? A Comparison of Unix News Readers"
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Lew Pitcher
> Currently I'm using tin as a news reader. I am moderately happy
> with it. I've also tried slrn, but did not like that at all.
We use tin. slrn is the most tedious, non-intuitive piece of
software that is still in semi-regular use amongst the linux
brethren. Unfortunately, the fact that it is tedious and
non-intuitive is the primary reason many linux geeks use it. You
see, you have to be tough to be a real unix geek, because in the old
days, there were no gui interfaces and, hence, no reasonable
alternative.
But in today's world many confused would-be unix geeks see linux and
its command line, (especially slackware) as a way to be as tough as
the old guys. This is kind of like new bikers going out to buy
Harley-Davidsons because they think that is what real bikers use.
But if the old bikers were starting out now, they would all be
buying Hondas because they know the real deal when they see it.
Any posing peckerheads who claim that a Harley is superior to a
Honda, or that linux is superior to Windoze, ought to be strung up
by his (or her?) balls, (assuming their balls can be found) and used
for target practice.
Let's get it straight, folks. Only posers like The Coward Hicks,
Keith Diller, and The French Canadien, use slackware, and the only
reason they use slackware is because they think they're tough.
Modern computer professionals use the OS that is both the easiest to
run, and is most appropriate for their software. True pros
invariably use the all but invisible windoze, because it gets out of
the way.
In the early days of computing the OS was the only software you
really needed. All the jobs were written using tools included with
the OS, or at least, the packaged distro that came with the OS. For
example, all the necessary arithmetical and logical operations
included in the modern spreadsheet could be accomplished from the
bash command line. Database? Bash. Wordprocessor? Bash. True,
it would be faster and easier to do everything with a pencil and
eraser, but what fun would that be? Who would that impress?
But modern professionals want the OS to be invisible so that he or
she can get on with the real work at hand in the easiest manner
possible. Creative energy should be spent on the task at hand, and
not on trying to figure out how to get the computer to accomplish
the task at hand. Not only does typical slackware usage
metaphorically re-invent the wheel, it plants the seed and grows the
tree that the wood for the wheel is carved from.
The modern computer professional sits back and laughs his ass off watching the
linux hobbyist get out and hand-crank the engine every time he wants
to start his car. The pro sits back and laughs his ass
off every time the linux hobbyist gets out two sticks to rub
together every time he wants to light up a joint.
The computer professional first laughs his ass off everytime the
linux hobbyist cuts down a branch and tries to build a slingshot.
And when finally bored with the hobbyist's attempts to reinvent
rubber for the slingshot, the pro simply points a Glock at the
hobbyist's head, pulls the trigger but once, and watches in smug
satisfaction as a full magazine empties and sprays the hobbyist's
tiny brain all over the wall. Hmm, hmm, good!
> Is there any news reader around, that does NOT require a
> graphical environment (my eyes are not too good), and
> preferably launch a spell checker (like aspell) when i finish
> an article (my fingers don't work too well either, so I need
> it).
Tin is fine. First of all, usenet is 70ish technology and there is
no reason to use a graphics environment to display the partial ascii
character set that stretches the limits of the hobbyists brain.
Tin does use an 80ish menu-based options/setup program which is both
modern and useful enough to preclude hobbyist usage, even if it does
save time for the true professionals. And there is no reason to use a
spell-checker with usenet since most usenet readers are actually the
hobbyists. And the rest of that thought should be self-evident.
If any hobbyist from this ng tries to win you over to slrn, or tries
to steal your domain name for that matter, get the Glock out, hunt
the little shit down and do the rest of us a favour. Always
remember that as long as one tiny shit cries out "slack forever!"
linux will remain in its infancy.
Lew Pitcher
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Lew Pitcher
> Myself I'm a happy user of slrn now,
Tiny brain alert! Tiny brain alert!
Target tiny brain now in range. Fire!
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Lew Pitcher
> On 2009-12-22, Johannes D.H. Beekhuizen <jbee...@duinheks.nl> wrote:
>
>> with it. I've also tried slrn, but did not like that at all.
>
> I'm surprised you don't like slrn. For a CLI newsreader, it's
> probably the most popular newsreader around.
That probably depends on how you define "CLI." If the first letter
of that acronym is a reduction from "Clueless" then you are probably
on to something.
> It's certainly number one with folks on this newsgroup. What is
> it you dislike about it?
That's like saying, "Why don't you like Screech? All us Newfies
love it!"
Handover Phist
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:27:30 -0500, Thomas Ronayne wrote:
>
>> Johannes D.H. Beekhuizen wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Currently I'm using tin as a news reader. I am moderately happy with
>>> it. I've also tried slrn, but did not like that at all. Is there any
>>> news reader around, that does NOT require a graphical environment (my
>>> eyes are not too good), and preferably launch a spell checker (like
>>> aspell) when i finish an article (my fingers don't work too well
>>> either, so I need it).
>>> As usual, thanks in advance for any help.
>>>
>>>
>> Try nntp.aioe.org
>
> Ummmmm.......
>
> Nevermind.
>
> To the OP, if you didn't like slrn, just stick with tin. There is
> nothing better than either of them.
Gonna have to agree here. I would like to know what you didn't like
about slrn since I've been using it happily for quite some time now.
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Johannes D.H. Beekhuizen
> * Johannes D.H. Beekhuizen <jbee...@duinheks.nl> wrote:
>> Is there any news reader around, that does NOT require a
>> graphical environment (my eyes are not too good), and
>> preferably launch a spell checker (like aspell)
> You may want to look at Pine/Alpine.
I certainly will look at that. For e-mail I'm very happy with Alpine, I only
have to find out how to use it for news groups.
> Thinking of it, would spell checking not be the job of your externally
> launched text editor?
I don't know. In Alpine I launch an external spell checker script when I
send the message I just created. I was thinking about the same mechanism for
news, but am open for suggestions (nd certainly need a check sometimes).
--
Regards,
Hans.
Johannes D.H. Beekhuizen
> "Johannes D.H. Beekhuizen" <jbee...@duinheks.nl> writes:
>>Currently I'm using tin as a news reader.
> slrn is definitely the newsreader that most CLI junkies tend to like,
> but, if you are using tin, obviously you have more . . . particular in
> your tastes. ;-)
Well, when I was a little boy my parents already used to say that I Had a
will of my own. They (like most people) called it "eigenwijs".
> usable on most people's systems. You'll find the updated packages in
> -current, or you can grab them from my site [1].
I installed it a few days ago from s-currnet, and just to be sure I puled it
down from the gopher site.
> a better newsreader. You can use any editor that you like, and
> generally, you can run the spell checker through that editor. On Nvi you
> can just call aspell or ispell,
As editor I tend to use Joe.because that looked most like Wordstar and the
Pascal editor when I went from MSdos to Linux. Maybe that can start the
spellcheck too, I have to investigate that.
Currewntly in Alpine I have the speller called when I send a message.
> and nn, you're welcome to check out the FAQ entry about it [2]. If you
> are fairly happy with tin, I would definitely give NN a try.
I have the FAQ printed out and will look at it when I have a quiet moment.
(Christmas is a rathe busy time, and I also have to prepare some thingw to
eat fos our birthdays on December 31st and Januari 1st.)
> If you really want to launch a spell checker after your editing session,
> this is as simple as creating a little shell script
It sounds easy, and I really need a spell checker with thos stiif old
fingers of mine. I have a nice cript that leys one select from several
languges, like Dutch, English and Vietnamese.
Thanks for your input, I'll try to get nn behave like I want it.
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Regards,
Hans.
Aaron W. Hsu
>I don't know. In Alpine I launch an external spell checker script when I
>send the message I just created. I was thinking about the same mechanism for
>news, but am open for suggestions (nd certainly need a check sometimes).
Almost every editor I can think of supports spell checking either via
running external commands, or natively. Which editor do you prefer to
use?
Aaron W. Hsu
Aaron W. Hsu
>Aaron W. Hsu wrote:
>> a better newsreader. You can use any editor that you like, and
>> generally, you can run the spell checker through that editor. On Nvi you
>> can just call aspell or ispell,
>As editor I tend to use Joe.because that looked most like Wordstar and the
>Pascal editor when I went from MSdos to Linux. Maybe that can start the
>spellcheck too, I have to investigate that.
>Currewntly in Alpine I have the speller called when I send a message.
Well, I know that you can start a shell in Joe, so you can start a spell
checker. You can also pipe output or blocks through unix commands, and
sometimes that works for spell checking as well, depending on the
program you are using.
>> If you really want to launch a spell checker after your editing session,
>> this is as simple as creating a little shell script
>It sounds easy, and I really need a spell checker with thos stiif old
>fingers of mine. I have a nice cript that leys one select from several
>languges, like Dutch, English and Vietnamese.
>Thanks for your input, I'll try to get nn behave like I want it.
Please don't be afraid to post to news.software.nn if you have any
questions about NN. You can also post here, but news.software.nn is
probably more appropriate.
Although, I think you should definitely give the NN workflow a try
before you think about trying to make it behave like Tin. In general, if
you want Tin, you use Tin, but if you want to try something different,
it usually makes sense to gives its natural workflow a shot first. As
for spell checking, if you already have a script that you use for it,
setting up a script to launch the editor, followed by the spell checker,
should not be too hard.
Aaron W. Hsu
Peter Chant
You can change fonts in knode including the font size and colours.
Misspellings are underlined.
Pete
Martha Adams
wrote:
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I thought the above rant advanced nobody nowhere. I use CLI where I
can and "tough" has nothing to do with it. I like the crispy quickness
CLI can accomplish, and I like to carry a model in my head of what I
am doing as I work. I can live with 'gui' but for me, it's always
'gooey'.
The rational part of discussion in this thread about newsreaders is
very interesting to me, and certainly useful. Especially Hsu's
comments about nn.
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