Market shake up
Garry Knight
"In the next few months expect the market to get a shake up. Rather
than lots of separate distribution companies all working their own way
and repeating each other's work, a major co-operation will be announced.
This has the disadvantage of less diversification. For me this is not a
worry, as if an opportunity exists someone will fill it and there are
enough small distributions to keep everyone on their toes.
"The advantage is firstly cost reductions in that the wheel is not
reinvented at each development centre. The second is that by pooling
resources work can be more focused and directed rather than just
developing at someone's whim. Not all of the big players are included and
if they were it would have hinted at a cartel. Those that are included
will have to find a way to add value to differentiate their products.
Adding value means more features, which in turn requires more development
and so the product improves."
Does anyone know which companies he's talking about here? Are we looking
at RedDrake DebWare, or what? Has anyone heard any rumours?
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rea
My guess is that in the end it will be Red Hat here and SuSe from Europe.
There are the ones that put quality into it and don't release new release
evry other month a la Mandrake style (very buggy and crappy) See, Manndrake
is the name of a magician, which you have to be to make it work!!!
REA
s
> My guess is that in the end it will be Red Hat here and SuSe from Europe.
> There are the ones that put quality into it and don't release new release
> evry other month a la Mandrake style (very buggy and crappy) See,
> Manndrake is the name of a magician, which you have to be to make it
> work!!!
>
> REA
A little buggy and very fun! Isn't bleeding edge one of the corner stones
of their philosophy? If you are worried about a few bugs - go use redhat
or even more ancient debian.
<wave her magic wand and presto....>
Robin Smith
> My guess is that in the end it will be Red Hat here and SuSe from Europe.
> There are the ones that put quality into it and don't release new release
> evry other month a la Mandrake style (very buggy and crappy) See, Manndrake
> is the name of a magician, which you have to be to make it work!!!
>
> REA
Obviously Debian will be the only surviving distribution.
Robin
Tim Haynes
> From the editorial in the latest edition of Linux Magazine (UK version):
>
> "In the next few months expect the market to get a shake up. Rather than
> lots of separate distribution companies all working their own way and
> repeating each other's work, a major co-operation will be announced. This
> has the disadvantage of less diversification.
What is this, _Hello_ magazine's horrorscope section?
> "The advantage is firstly cost reductions in that the wheel is not
> reinvented at each development centre.
It is, now?
> The second is that by pooling resources work can be more focused and
> directed rather than just developing at someone's whim.
And this is some kind of advantage?
> Not all of the big players are included and if they were it would have
> hinted at a cartel. Those that are included will have to find a way to
> add value to differentiate their products. Adding value means more
> features,
B.S.
> which in turn requires more development and so the product improves."
Product? Oh *yeah*, I remember what those are. Duh..
> Does anyone know which companies he's talking about here? Are we looking
> at RedDrake DebWare, or what? Has anyone heard any rumours?
Wake me up when It happens.
~Tim
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tony
<srli...@linuxfreemail.com> wrote:
> A little buggy and very fun! Isn't bleeding edge one of the corner
> stones of their philosophy? If you are worried about a few bugs - go
> use redhat or even more ancient debian.
Debian is not ancient, it just outputs an ultra stable version (rock
solid) along with it's bleeding edge version.
Another erronous comment..................
Debian is modeled on the open source model, it is totally maintained and
developed by a community along the lines of the kernel itself. It is the
distro least affected by commerical pressures, the strength of open
source.
Penguin Renegade
to broaden my horizons by learning other distros, but Mandrake is my primary
Linux until such time as it either ceases to work entirely or until they go
under. And even then I'd still use things out of it that I like into other
distros. It's easy to take things out and to put them in, too. Let's
SUPPORT Mandrake instead of bitching so much.
Quag7
> Debian is not ancient, it just outputs an ultra stable version (rock
> solid) along with it's bleeding edge version.
> Debian is modeled on the open source model, it is totally maintained and
> developed by a community along the lines of the kernel itself. It is the
> distro least affected by commerical pressures, the strength of open
> source.
From what I've read, I think that, if any distribution can be all but
guaranteed to be around and still updated ten years from now, it is Debian.
I'm eagerly awaiting Woody to be frozen and released as stable to give it
a shot. Theoretically the world could fall into a major depression
(which could happen if Japan continues its cataclysmic economic
downfall), and Debian would still be out there.
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Garry Knight
<rama...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Garry Knight wrote:
>
>> From the editorial in the latest edition of Linux Magazine (UK
>> version):
>> a major co-operation will be announced.
>>
> My guess is that in the end it will be Red Hat here and SuSe from
> Europe. There are the ones that put quality into it and don't release
> new release evry other month a la Mandrake style (very buggy and crappy)
From Linux Weekly News <URL: http://lwn.net//2002/0314/bigpage.php3>:
SuSE Linux 8.0 Available on April 22nd.
SuSE has announced that SuSE Linux 8.0 will hit the shelves on April 22.
New features include more security products (i.e.IPSec), a three-step
installation procedure, and KDE 3.
I hope KDE3 will be bug-free by April 22...
Garry Knight
"Penguin Renegade" <penguin...@garbage.yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's amazing how everyone wants to jump ship. I LIKE Mandrake.
Just thought I'd point out that my original post had nothing to do with
Mandrake (that I know of...). I just happened to post it here because I
hang out here more than any other newsgroup.
Silvan
> Manndrake is the name of a magician, which you have to be to make it
> work!!!
Is it? Mandrake is the name of a mythical magical reagent. There's no
one standard for what "mandrake" really is, so it depends on your locale.
In the movies, it's usually ginger, which has a roughly man-shaped root.
Looks cool on-screen, but AFAIK ginger has never been "mandrake" to anyone.
It looks like European mandrake has a similar kind of root, though I
couldn't find any good images, and I've never seen it up close. Presumably
they use ginger for the movies because it's not poisonous.
In North America, it's usually /Podophylum pellatum/, the "mayapple."
Ocassionally various Datura species are known as "mandrake" as well, though
that's more rare. (Both are extremely toxic plants with high
concentrations of alkaloids. They can get you really stoned or really
dead.)
In Europe, "mandrake" is /Mandragora officinarum/, which is "a plant of
southern Europe and North Africa having purple flowers, yellow fruits and a
forked root formerly thought to have magical powers [syn: devil's apples"
Based on a little spot research, I'd say the "real" mandrake is /Mandragora
officanrum/, which has a long history of use in medicine and homeopathic
medicine (and in magic too, I'm sure.)
American "mandrake" bears no resemblance to this plant whatsoever. The
leaves are totally different, as are the roots. I suspect the American
plant came to be called by the same name because both plants have poisonous
little yellow fruits that can get you really high or really dead in a hurry.
I have American mandrake growing in my garden. I thrives here and spreads
readily. My clump was rescued from the path of the killing blade of
progress, and while its siblings have long been covered with asphalt, it
continues to thrive under my willow tree. Quite a lovely plant, though my
children must never eat its fruit.
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Rick Sweazy
> rea wrote:
>> Manndrake is the name of a magician, which you have to be to make it
>> work!!!
>
> Is it? Mandrake is the name of a mythical magical reagent. There's no
> one standard for what "mandrake" really is, so it depends on your locale.
>
>
--- Snip the garden class
rea is the correct one here on 'Mandrake' granted the other reference to
mandrake are most likely correct. However the Mandrake hinted at in the
distros name is " Mandrake the Magician" created in the 30's, top hat,
magic wand and cape. Even Mandrakes' side kick 'Lothar' was used by the
distro in the 7x series ( seems to have been replaced by Hard drake).
my 2cents on the Magicial Mandrake
RWS =8-)
--
Have you checked http://www.mandrakeuser.org ?????
Have you searched http://www.google.com ??????
Have you read the man page yet ??????
s
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:08:27 -0700, tony wrote:
>
>
>> Debian is not ancient, it just outputs an ultra stable version (rock
>> solid) along with it's bleeding edge version.
<snipped>
> a shot. Theoretically the world could fall into a major depression
> (which could happen if Japan continues its cataclysmic economic
> downfall), and Debian would still be out there.
>
Well, yeah, that's the good thing about running linux. There will always be
something good out there to run.
tony
"Quag7" <qu...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
> I'm eagerly awaiting Woody to be frozen and released as stable to give
> it a shot
Why wait, woody is as stable as most other distros' stable releases. I
have a lot of respect for the debian crew.
tony
<srli...@linuxfreemail.com> wrote:
> Well, yeah, that's the good thing about running linux. There will
> always be something good out there to run.
You are right. With linux we do have choice / options galore.
Penguin Renegade
her. This is a bit overboard. You're a great guy, but....how long did it
take you to come up with that research?!???
"Silvan" <sil...@windows-sucks.com> wrote in message
news:ji8t6a...@treelover.lan...
jason cutting
Hey Tony, I'm thinking about trying Debian out as it has a very high
respect in the general community. I have all three potato disks, and am
about ready to give `er a spin. What advice do you have for a Debian
newbie who knows how to customize Mandrake and RedHat? I understand the
distro is quite different, and have sampled slack as well. I tried
installing it after work on friday (no, I dont have a life), and ended
up drunk and frustrated (because I couldn't see what was going on
properly after 10 hours in front of a computer at work, and two hours
and three beers at home) at 3 am. I'm gonna give it a shot in the
morning I think.
Any advice, folks?
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Silvan
> Silvan, you're married, right? You need to spend some quality time with
> her. This is a bit overboard. You're a great guy, but....how long did it
> take you to come up with that research?!???
Research???
90% general knowledge. I didn't know much about /Mandragora officinarum/
until today, other than a vague understanding that our "mandrake" here
isn't "real" mandrake. Found it in my dictionary (kdict) and then did a
quickie web search for more info, and a look at the plant. The other stuff
(mayapple, Datura) I have growing in my yard, or nearby, so I'm intimately
familiar with it. (Have to know about poisonous plants when you have young
children.)
Oh, and I had a friend (the last RL friend I had, actually) back in college
who couldn't drink alcohol, but loved that altered state of mind. He was
paranoid about getting busted with illegal drugs, so he went nuts and
sought out legal alternatives everywhere he could. Tried all kinds of
bizarre stuff. I went along on some of his forrays and came to appreciate
Nature in a whole new way. I wasn't after the high (no, really; not my
style,) but I learned to stop and look at the flowers. I never really paid
attention to bloodroot or hepatica or any of myriad other ephemeral
woodland wildflowers until I got a look at one of his field guides. Now I
own a collection of them, and watching the progression of the flowers'
appearance and withdrawal from the forest floor is one of the great joys of
my life, and one of the strongest bonds between myself and my children.
Besides, wife was at work, son was at school, daughter was doing little
girlie Barbie dress-up things. She usually lets me spend a goodly amount
of time online in the mornings when I'm here, so long as I stop to be
suitably impressed with her latest drawings and give her plenty of hugs.
So now everybody knows just what a "mandrake" really is. Everyone wins,
and it's even vaguely on-topic. :) Well, _that_ was. This has been pure
blather. *shrugs*
Not long at all IOW.
tony
<bfwa...@net-yan.com> wrote:
> The debian NG is nowhere near as active as Mandrake, but you may want to
> google throug
I think the debian newsgroup is just the debian mailing list piped onto
usernet.
That said, I really think that debian apt is probably the best package
manager out there, as long as you know how to use it.
lets put it this way, when it comes to full OS upgrades nothing beats
debian apt. There was some discussion about combining the best of apt and
rpm to create a killer package installer for linux, along with a standard
file system. When or if this comes to pass, it would be a great boost for
linux.
tony
documentation on the debian site. You can also try
linuxiso.org for debian install isos. I think it is for stable, you then
use apt to move to woody.
Have fun...............
In article <slrna95p6d...@localhost.localdomain>, "jason cutting"
David W. Studeman
KDE3 will be fine, it doesn't hurt that SuSE employs major developers from
KDE, Xfree, The kernel and so on. They know what they're doing time wise.
We do know that KDE3 will NOT be ready by Monday for the LM-8.2 release.
Dave
David W. Studeman
tony
<eat_your...@hormel.com> wrote:
> KDE3 will be fine, it doesn't hurt that SuSE employs major developers
> from
> KDE, Xfree, The kernel and so on. They know what they're doing time
> wise. We do know that KDE3 will NOT be ready by Monday for the LM-8.2
> release.
It is starting to look like the major suvivors of the current distro
shakedown will be SUSE and REDHAT with debian unaffected because of its
community development model.
Bluebeard
I did some volunteer work at a drug crisis service and had some
bizarre experiences with clients who had ingested Bella Donna
alkaloids as found in a variety of over-the-counter preps back in
the '60's. A wild high, but only if you took enough to get you just
to the point of overdose. most of the time, all that was required
was a bit of hand holding. But every now and again, a rushed trip
to Emergency was what was called for.
Bluebeard.
Bill Hay
>"In the next few months expect the market to get a shake up. Rather
>than lots of separate distribution companies all working their own way
>and repeating each other's work, a major co-operation will be announced.
>
>at RedDrake DebWare, or what? Has anyone heard any rumours?
>
1.0.
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Nix
> "Garry Knight" <garry...@gmx.net> writes:
>> The second is that by pooling resources work can be more focused and
>> directed rather than just developing at someone's whim.
>
> And this is some kind of advantage?
Oh, but managers like `focus' and `direction' (read `we tell you what to
do') instead of `whim' (read `you decide what to do').
The clueless *like* to lead the clued :(
>> Not all of the big players are included and if they were it would have
>> hinted at a cartel. Those that are included will have to find a way to
>> add value to differentiate their products. Adding value means more
>> features,
>
> B.S.
As Microsoft are learning to their cost :)
(Hey, OpenBSD is valueless, doncha know... the Linux Magazine editorial
said so, so it must be true.)
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different -- perhaps it's a sawtooth waveform, and the pointy bits
scratch your eyes?' --- John Ineson to a `monitors emit radiation,
all radiation is bad, therefore monitors are bad' tub-thumper
Craig
> "Garry Knight" <garry...@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> From the editorial in the latest edition of Linux Magazine (UK version):
>>
>> "In the next few months expect the market to get a shake up. Rather than
>> lots of separate distribution companies all working their own way and
>> repeating each other's work, a major co-operation will be announced. This
>> has the disadvantage of less diversification.
>
> What is this, _Hello_ magazine's horrorscope section?
So you admit to own a few copies then? ;) *runs like hell*
--
Craig
Tim Haynes
A few days ago, someone in Support here came back from shopping with toy
plastic gun that squirts out compressed-foam discs.
Then I discovered that with an elastic band, you can get them to fly about
15m or more ;)
Be afraid. Be very afraid ;8)
~Tim
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Craig
> A few days ago, someone in Support here came back from shopping with toy
> plastic gun that squirts out compressed-foam discs.
> Then I discovered that with an elastic band, you can get them to fly about
> 15m or more ;)
Hey, aren't those are exectoys guns? red and blue foam disc? They are
brillant to play around with ;)
Let's discuss how you manage to make it fly further ;)
> Be afraid. Be very afraid ;8)
Come on you suckers!
--
Craig
Tim Haynes
> Tim Haynes wrote:
>
>> A few days ago, someone in Support here came back from shopping with toy
>> plastic gun that squirts out compressed-foam discs.
>> Then I discovered that with an elastic band, you can get them to fly about
>> 15m or more ;)
>
> Hey, aren't those are exectoys guns? red and blue foam disc? They are
> brillant to play around with ;)
We have light pink, orangey, and small red discs (all with holes in the
middle).
> Let's discuss how you manage to make it fly further ;)
It depends. If you start holding it *in* the rubber band, they bounce off
opposing thumb and disappear about 45deg to where you were "aiming".
If you double-up the elastic band, they go anywhere.
If you do 2 or 3 at once, it looks well pretty.
>> Be afraid. Be very afraid ;8)
>
> Come on you suckers!
Bring 'em on! :)
~Tim
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Craig
>> Hey, aren't those are exectoys guns? red and blue foam disc? They are
>> brillant to play around with ;)
>
> We have light pink, orangey, and small red discs (all with holes in the
> middle).
Yep those are the ones I have =D
>> Let's discuss how you manage to make it fly further ;)
>
> It depends. If you start holding it *in* the rubber band, they bounce off
> opposing thumb and disappear about 45deg to where you were "aiming".
> If you double-up the elastic band, they go anywhere.
> If you do 2 or 3 at once, it looks well pretty.
Hmmm.. angle shot. I had numerous fun with those guns but I hated it when
those foam discs just about to go for your eyeball.
I should give that idea a go ;)
>>> Be afraid. Be very afraid ;8)
>>
>> Come on you suckers!
>
> Bring 'em on! :)
Actually I can't be bothered ;) Quake 3? ;)
--
Craig
Tim Haynes
>>> Let's discuss how you manage to make it fly further ;)
>>
>> It depends. If you start holding it *in* the rubber band, they bounce
>> off opposing thumb and disappear about 45deg to where you were "aiming".
>> If you double-up the elastic band, they go anywhere. If you do 2 or 3 at
>> once, it looks well pretty.
>
> Hmmm.. angle shot. I had numerous fun with those guns but I hated it when
> those foam discs just about to go for your eyeball.
<Pitr> Da, am knowingk this! </Pitr>
>>> Come on you suckers!
>>
>> Bring 'em on! :)
>
> Actually I can't be bothered ;) Quake 3? ;)
Headache and very VERY sore optics right now. Need sleeps :(
~Tim
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Craig
> <Pitr> Da, am knowingk this! </Pitr>
Lol :)
>> Actually I can't be bothered ;) Quake 3? ;)
>
> Headache and very VERY sore optics right now. Need sleeps :(
Well no wonder you have been up for 132 days =P
--
Craig
Garry Knight
> In article <pan.2002.03.15.0...@gmx.net>,
> Garry Knight wrote:
>> From the editorial in the latest edition of Linux Magazine (UK version):
>
> Is the date on the cover "April 2002" by any chance?
No, it was March 2002. LM don't follow that annoying policy of dating the
magazine for the month following the date of issue. However, this might
possibly be relevant. Even if not, it's interesting reading.
http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/16969.html