problem with update
jf
As I do almost once a week, I tried today to update my gentoo, but a lot of
kde... packages are blocked by what seems to be a previous version of
kde-base. Do I have to unmerge all kde ( or kde-base) to let the system
update ?
Thanks for your answers. Here is the output of the emerge commande :
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root@jef jf # emerge --update --deep --newuse world
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] virtual/acl-0
[ebuild U ] sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.10.904 [3.4.10-r2]
[ebuild U ] media-sound/ecasound-2.6.0 [2.5.2]
[ebuild U ] app-text/iso-codes-3.8 [3.6]
[ebuild U ] x11-misc/xdg-utils-1.0.2-r3 [1.0.2-r1]
[ebuild NS ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.29-r5 [2.6.24-r7, 2.6.24-r8,
2.6.25-r7, 2.6.25-r8, 2.6.25-r9, 2.6.26-r3, 2.6.26-r4, 2.6.27-r7,
2.6.27-r8, 2.6.27-r10, 2.6.28-r5] USE="-build -symlink"
[ebuild U ] dev-lang/nasm-2.05.01 [2.04]
[ebuild U ] media-libs/xvid-1.2.2-r1 [1.1.3] USE="-pic%"
[ebuild U ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.5.2.9 [6.5.1.0]
[ebuild U ] media-libs/libdvdcss-1.2.10 [1.2.9-r1]
[ebuild N ] virtual/cdrtools-0
[ebuild U ] kde-base/arts-3.5.10 [3.5.9]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 [3.5.9-r4]
[ebuild R ] app-portage/porthole-0.6.0_rc4 USE="(-debug%)"
[ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.1 USE="-kde%"
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdenetwork ("kde-base/kdenetwork" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kde ("kde-base/kde" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdetoys ("kde-base/kdetoys" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdeartwork ("kde-base/kdeartwork" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdepim ("kde-base/kdepim" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdemultimedia ("kde-base/kdemultimedia" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdeadmin ("kde-base/kdeadmin" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdeedu ("kde-base/kdeedu" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdegraphics ("kde-base/kdegraphics" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdewebdev ("kde-base/kdewebdev" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdegames ("kde-base/kdegames" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdeaddons ("kde-base/kdeaddons" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B ] kde-base/kdeutils ("kde-base/kdeutils" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
* Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
('installed', '/', 'kde-base/kde-3.5.9', 'nomerge') pulled in by
kde-base/kde required by world
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6', 'merge') pulled in by
=kde-base/kdelibs-3.5* required by
('installed', '/', 'x11-libs/compizconfig-backend-kconfig-0.6.0', 'nomerge')
=kde-base/kdelibs-3.5* required by
('installed', '/', 'kde-misc/ksensors-0.7.3', 'nomerge')
=kde-base/kdelibs-3.5* required by
('installed', '/', 'media-libs/libkdcraw-0.1.4-r2', 'nomerge')
(and 2 more)
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked
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thanks again,
jf
J.O. Aho
> As I do almost once a week, I tried today to update my gentoo, but a lot of
> kde... packages are blocked by what seems to be a previous version of
> kde-base. Do I have to unmerge all kde ( or kde-base) to let the system
> update ?
Yeah, sadly you have to uninstall the monolithic KDE3.5.9 which you have
installed and then install KDE3.5.10 meta as portage can't handle this kind of
changes.
Another option would be to remove the KDE3.5.9 from your /var/db/pkg/kde-base,
this way portage thinks you don't have KDE installed and it will install the
files over the current ones. This could lead to some orphan files, but should
be okey IMHO.
A third one is to mask KDE3.5.10, but this will in the length cause your some
dependency problems.
Fourth would be to go directly to the unstable KDE4, but with my recent
experience there are too many bugs there and a lot of features missing (filed
a bunch of bugs to the KDE developers today).
--
//Aho
jf
>
> Yeah, sadly you have to uninstall the monolithic KDE3.5.9 which you have
> installed and then install KDE3.5.10 meta as portage can't handle this
> kind of changes.
>
> Another option would be to remove the KDE3.5.9 from your
> /var/db/pkg/kde-base, this way portage thinks you don't have KDE installed
> and it will install the files over the current ones. This could lead to
> some orphan files, but should be okey IMHO.
>
Thanks for your answer, I'll probably go for the 2nd option.
But... did I make something wrong that led me to this situation ?
@+,
jf
J.O. Aho
> J.O. Aho wrote:
Had to use alpine to post this time, for some reason things works quite
badly after testing KDE4, even if I did rebuild and fix dependencies after
I had removed KDE4.
No, you didn't do anything wrong, it's just the Gentoo KDE team who
decided to not support the monolithic KDE build anymore and forced
everyone to switch to the "modular" one (which take a lot longer time to
compile as many packages uses the same tarball, so unpacking it many
times). IMHO it was a bad idea, they could have skiped the modular way for
KDE3 and introduced it with KDE4.
--
//Aho
AZ Nomad
Is there any good reason that nobody from the gentoo KDE team is
capable of making an announcement when they are going to break updates for
every single person using kde 3.5.9 and require every person using kde
3.5.9 to do a massive rebuild?
portage news on the last 3.5.x build before breaking everything would
have been one place for an announcement. This newsgroup would have
been another good place.
J.O. Aho
If you visit the Gentoo-KDE irc channel, you would notice that they are
all just running blindly with KDE4, they don't care about those using
monolithich KDE3.5.9, they even change traditional ebuilds like ktorrent
to depend only on the kde-meta packages (suddenly you can't install/update
ktorrent). They think it's a good idea, as it don't affect them.
> portage news on the last 3.5.x build before breaking everything would
> have been one place for an announcement. This newsgroup would have
> been another good place.
Yes, I agree there would have been many good places to annouce the forced
change for quite many KDE3 users, but what do you expect of people who
hasn't used KDE3 for a year or so.
--
//Aho
jf
> No, you didn't do anything wrong, it's just the Gentoo KDE team who
> decided to not support the monolithic KDE build anymore and forced
> everyone to switch to the "modular" one (which take a lot longer time to
> compile as many packages uses the same tarball, so unpacking it many
> times). IMHO it was a bad idea, they could have skiped the modular way for
> KDE3 and introduced it with KDE4.
>
OK, I'll do that next week-end ;)
AZ Nomad
>On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, AZ Nomad wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:08:33 +0200, J.O. Aho <us...@example.com> wrote:
>>> No, you didn't do anything wrong, it's just the Gentoo KDE team who
>>> decided to not support the monolithic KDE build anymore and forced
>>> everyone to switch to the "modular" one (which take a lot longer time to
>>> compile as many packages uses the same tarball, so unpacking it many
>>> times). IMHO it was a bad idea, they could have skiped the modular way for
>>> KDE3 and introduced it with KDE4.
...
I thought this would be a good time to try switching to kde4.
It's not ready.
Lots of eye candy. Looks like a god damn vista system but without the
usual 10-20 second lockups from the disk thrashing of a recent microsoft
operating system needing four times the RAM than the processor can address.
Widgets are lacking. Reminds me of gnome 2.0 or kde 3.0.
The upgrade managed to lose or ignore most of my previous settings.
Stuff like keyboard shortcuts, kmail servers, kicker widgets.
No widget for storage media; just one for all usb devices.
No bluetooth control; had to install gnome-bluetooth for my BT mouse.
Weather application uses a nasty seven segment readout font. Hello? It's the
60's on the phone, they want their LED readout technology back.
I hate 7 segment displays; there's no reason for them and they're fugly.
J.O. Aho
> I thought this would be a good time to try switching to kde4.
Oh no,,,,
> It's not ready.
I totally agree with you, it's far from ready, if you compare the stage KDE3.2
was in, KDE4.2 still feels like an early alpha in comparison.
> Lots of eye candy. Looks like a god damn vista system but without the
> usual 10-20 second lockups from the disk thrashing of a recent microsoft
> operating system needing four times the RAM than the processor can address.
You still have the same lack of configuration in KDE4 as in Vista, so they
have something more in common.
> Widgets are lacking. Reminds me of gnome 2.0 or kde 3.0.
>
> The upgrade managed to lose or ignore most of my previous settings.
I would say it was 100% lossing, I didn't have much at all to be happy about,
no contacts, kopete was empty and MSN is broken there too, had to do manual
imports of kwallet and then in the end application didn't understand that they
where supposed to read from the extra wallets and not just the default one.
> No bluetooth control; had to install gnome-bluetooth for my BT mouse.
I think I saw some BT related packages to be installed when I emerged kde4,
replacing the default ones for KDE3.
> Weather application uses a nasty seven segment readout font. Hello? It's the
> 60's on the phone, they want their LED readout technology back.
> I hate 7 segment displays; there's no reason for them and they're fugly.
You know Wii, people want something old or copy OSX/Vista.
--
//Aho
jf
> AZ Nomad wrote:
>
>> I thought this would be a good time to try switching to kde4.
>
> Oh no,,,,
> You know Wii, people want something old or copy OSX/Vista.
>
Hey, th more I read, the more I wonder if I won't get this "opportunity" to
get rid of KDE and go for Gnome....
c.u.
jf
AZ Nomad
>I think I saw some BT related packages to be installed when I emerged kde4,
>replacing the default ones for KDE3.
I tried using kdebluetooth, including the unstable version. It
created the BT icon, but didn't see any devices. It generated DCOP
errors and simply didn't work. The only right click options were
'about' and 'help'. Everything else was grayed out. I wasn't
surprised considering that it is a KDE 3.5 app.
There's a kdebluetooth4 package, but I didn't understand the install
package. There was no configure, makefile, or autogen files. Just a
src directory and no makefile there either. Maybe KDE4 has some
newflangled (and undocumented) installer for KDE4 applications.
>> Weather application uses a nasty seven segment readout font. Hello? It's the
>> 60's on the phone, they want their LED readout technology back.
>> I hate 7 segment displays; there's no reason for them and they're fugly.
>You know Wii, people want something old or copy OSX/Vista.
I have a digital watch that looks like something from the 70's only
because I like digital watches but have 7 segment displays. I ended
up with a suunto. And all but two of the 'watchfaces' are 7 segment.
idiots.
I guess I'm going to go back to kde 3.5 and wait for kde 4.5.
And hope they can quit f#$%^&*ing the ebuilds so I don't have to do a
complete kde remove, full system update, depclean, and kde reinstall again.
J.O. Aho
I don't recommend Gnome2, the developers even less listens to the end users
then the KDE developers and if you would have another opinion than mr Havoc,
then you are called a troll. I was a devoted Gnome user, until Miguel left the
sinking ship.
I suggest you look at some of the smaller desktops instead.
--
//Aho
J.O. Aho
> I guess I'm going to go back to kde 3.5 and wait for kde 4.5.
> And hope they can quit f#$%^&*ing the ebuilds so I don't have to do a
> complete kde remove, full system update, depclean, and kde reinstall again.
Maybe better to wait for KDE5 instead.
--
//Aho
AZ Nomad
and suffer through another .0 release? no thanks.
jf
Hi, it's me again :)
Last sunday, I unmerge all kde, and launched "emerge --update --deep
world" . This time it didn't complain :)
Today, I try the update again, and I get this :
***********************************************************
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/xmlrpc-c-1.18.02 [1.06.27] USE="cgi%*
cxx%* -abyss% -tools%"
[ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.6.4 [2.6.2-r1]
[ebuild U ] x11-misc/util-macros-1.2.2 [1.2.1]
[ebuild U ] x11-proto/inputproto-1.5.1 [1.5.0]
[ebuild U ] app-crypt/qca-2.0.2-r2 [2.0.2-r1]
[ebuild U ] app-cdr/cdrkit-1.1.9-r1 [1.1.9]
[ebuild U ] net-libs/xulrunner-1.9.0.11 [1.9.0.10]
[ebuild U ] gnome-base/gconf-2.26.2-r1 [2.26.2]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 [3.5.9-r4]
[ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.11 [3.0.10]
[ebuild U ] media-video/devede-3.12c [3.6]
[ebuild U ] dev-python/qscintilla-python-2.3.2-r2 [2.3.2]
[ebuild U ] sys-fs/udev-141 [124-r2]
[uninstall ] sys-fs/cryptsetup-1.0.5-r1
[blocks b ] >=sys-fs/udev-126 (">=sys-fs/udev-126" is blocking
sys-fs/cryptsetup-1.0.5-r1)
[uninstall ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.11-r1
[blocks b ] >=sys-fs/udev-125 (">=sys-fs/udev-125" is blocking
sys-apps/hal-0.5.11-r1)
****************************************************************
It seems to me that last week, it installed kde 3.5.9 instead of 3.5.10 !!
I've just tried to remove all that was in /var/db/pkg/kde-base , but if I
try the update, it says it will install kde 3.5.9 again !?
Then I think that if I want to maintain my system up-to-date, I'll have to
download and install KDE 3.5.10 ?
cu,
jf
J.O. Aho
> Hi, it's me again :)
>
> Last sunday, I unmerge all kde, and launched "emerge --update --deep
> world" . This time it didn't complain :)
> Today, I try the update again, and I get this :
>
> ***********************************************************
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [blocks B ] kde-base/kdeadmin ("kde-base/kdeadmin" is blocking
> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
> [blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
> * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
> * installed at the same time on the same system.
> ****************************************************************
>
> It seems to me that last week, it installed kde 3.5.9 instead of 3.5.10 !!
> I've just tried to remove all that was in /var/db/pkg/kde-base , but if I
> try the update, it says it will install kde 3.5.9 again !?
> Then I think that if I want to maintain my system up-to-date, I'll have to
> download and install KDE 3.5.10 ?
I guess you have kde in your /var/lib/portage/world, remove it or replace it
with kde-meta.
I must update to 3.5.10, as programs that depends on kde will otherwise get
problems, for example ktorrent updates would break your update.
The removal of the files in /var/db/pkg/kde-base is there just to make that
you don't have to uninstall kde3.5.9 to build kde3.5.10 and you have a semi
working kde until all is finished.
I would have done
1. remove kde-3.5.9 packages from pkg
2. emerge kde-meta
3. rebuild things that depends on KDE.
--
//Aho
jf
> I would have done
> 1. remove kde-3.5.9 packages from pkg
> 2. emerge kde-meta
> 3. rebuild things that depends on KDE.
>
OK for the first 2 points, I think I could do that ;) , but I can't find a
command that would rebuild all things that depend on kde... Is there a way
to list all these ?
thanks again :)
jf
J.O. Aho
it's supposed to be possible to do with revdep-rebuild somehow, but I always
forget how, so I use equery and find out the packages to rebuild and then make
a emerge based on that.
equery is part of app-portage/gentoolkit.
--
//Aho
jf
>
> it's supposed to be possible to do with revdep-rebuild somehow, but I
> always forget how, so I use equery and find out the packages to rebuild
> and then make a emerge based on that.
>
> equery is part of app-portage/gentoolkit.
>
patient ;)
jf
J.O. Aho
build a new meta package, it has to unpack the tarball and run configure,
which makes it to take quite long time. KDE4 meta is faster, but it still uses
a handful tarballs for all the 240+ ebuilds, but a few more than it was fro KDE3.
--
//Aho
jf
> Yes, KDE3 meta is quite slow, as you have those big tarballs and each time
> you build a new meta package, it has to unpack the tarball and run
> configure, which makes it to take quite long time. KDE4 meta is faster,
> but it still uses a handful tarballs for all the 240+ ebuilds, but a few
> more than it was fro KDE3.
>
It' OK now, system up-to-date :) . But I have a prpblem with kde 3.5.10 : I
can't do anything on the windows. I get them active, and I'm able to act
inside ( menus are OK, writing in a console is OK ), but I can't move or
resize them, and making a window active doesn't get it on top .... but it
is a Kde issue, I'll have a look in kde newsgroups :)
thanks again for your help, it saved me a lot of time :)
regards,
jf