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Ant

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Hello!

Now that Debian v7 stable is out, I would like to get this newest stable
version. Do I just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy from
squeeze and then apt-get dist-upgrade? Here is what my file shows:

# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#############################################################
################### OFFICIAL DEBIAN REPOS ###################
#############################################################

###### Debian Main Repos
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

###### Debian Update Repos
deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main
contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main
contrib non-free

##############################################################
##################### UNOFFICIAL REPOS ######################
##############################################################

###### 3rd Party Binary Repos

#### Debian Backports - http://backports.debian.org/
deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
contrib non-free
#deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main

#Debian Multimedia Packages
deb http://deb-multimedia.org stable main non-free

#Iceweasel (aka Firefox)
deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release


According to
http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html,
I remove/mark out third parties.

###### Debian Main Repos
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free

###### Debian Update Repos
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates main
contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates main
contrib non-free

#### Debian Backports - http://backports.debian.org/
deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main
contrib non-free

#Iceweasel (aka Firefox)
deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release


I tried it:
# apt-get update
Hit http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg
Ign http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable/main Translation-en
Ign http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable/main Translation-en_US
Hit http://dl.google.com stable Release
Hit http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages
Ign http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports Release.gpg
Ign http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/
wheezy-backports/contrib Translation-en
Ign http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/
wheezy-backports/contrib Translation-en_US
Ign http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ wheezy-backports/main
Translation-en
Ign http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ wheezy-backports/main
Translation-en_US
Ign http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/
wheezy-backports/non-free Translation-en
Ign http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/
wheezy-backports/non-free Translation-en_US
Ign http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports Release
Hit http://deb-multimedia.org stable Release.gpg
Ign http://deb-multimedia.org/ stable/main Translation-en
Ign http://deb-multimedia.org/ stable/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://deb-multimedia.org/ stable/non-free Translation-en
Ign http://deb-multimedia.org/ stable/non-free Translation-en_US
Get:1 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release.gpg [836 B]
Get:2 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en
[14 B]
Ign http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en_US
Get:3 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg [1,672 B]
Get:4 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en
[34.8 kB]
Ign http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages
Get:5 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main Translation-en
[5,645 B]
Ign http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports/contrib amd64 Packages
Ign http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports/non-free amd64 Packages
Ign http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main Translation-en_US
Get:6 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en
[14 B]
Ign http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en_US
Err http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.166.43 80]
Ign http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release.gpg
Ign http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release
Translation-en
Ign http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release
Translation-en_US
Hit http://deb-multimedia.org stable Release
Get:7 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release [102 kB]
Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en_US
Get:8 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main Translation-en [3,851 kB]
Err http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports/contrib amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.166.43 80]
Err http://backports.debian.org wheezy-backports/non-free amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.166.43 80]
Ign http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release
Hit http://deb-multimedia.org stable/main amd64 Packages
Ign http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release amd64
Packages
Hit http://deb-multimedia.org stable/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release amd64
Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.14 80]
Get:9 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources [2,604 B]
Get:10 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Sources [14 B]
Get:11 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Sources [14 B]
Get:12 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages
[7,012 B]
Get:13 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
[14 B]
Get:14 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free amd64 Packages
[14 B]
Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main Translation-en_US
Get:15 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en
[66.1 kB]
Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en_US
Get:16 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates Release.gpg [836 B]
Get:17 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates/contrib
Translation-en [14 B]
Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates/contrib
Translation-en_US
Get:18 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates/main
Translation-en [14 B]
Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates/main
Translation-en_US
Get:19 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free
Translation-en [14 B]
Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free
Translation-en_US
Get:20 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release [159 kB]
Get:21 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates Release [134 kB]
Get:22 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/main Sources [5,949 kB]
Get:23 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/contrib Sources [47.7 kB]
Get:24 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/non-free Sources [93.4 kB]
Get:25 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/main amd64 Packages [5,846 kB]
Get:26 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/contrib amd64 Packages [42.0 kB]
Get:27 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages [80.7 kB]
Get:28 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates/main Sources [14 B]
Get:29 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates/contrib Sources
[14 B]
Get:30 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free Sources
[14 B]
Get:31 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates/main amd64
Packages [14 B]
Get:32 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates/contrib amd64
Packages [14 B]
Get:33 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free amd64
Packages [14 B]
Fetched 16.4 MB in 31s (514 kB/s)
W: Failed to fetch
http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.166.43 80]

W: Failed to fetch
http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.166.43 80]

W: Failed to fetch
http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
404 Not Found [IP: 140.211.166.43 80]

W: Failed to fetch
http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.14 80]

E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.

I assume there are no Wheezy backports yet? Is it true that I do not
need deb-src lines even if I download sources and compile like movgrab
that doesn't exist in Debian?

I don't want to mess this up from the major upgrade (will make data
backups). I will probably work on this big/major upgrade in a few weeks
on one of my long weekends.

Thank you in advance. :)
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Richard Kettlewell

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Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> writes:

> Hello!
>
> Now that Debian v7 stable is out, I would like to get this newest
> stable version. Do I just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy
> from squeeze and then apt-get dist-upgrade? Here is what my file
> shows:

Read the release notes.

http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes

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J G Miller

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May 5, 2013, 5:27:45 PM5/5/13
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On Sunday, May 5th, 2013, at 14:09:48h -0700, Ant pondered:

> Do I just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy from
> squeeze and then apt-get dist-upgrade?

Basically yes, not forgetting anything in sources.list.d. as well.

But it is probably a good idea to disable any third party repositories
until after the upgrade.

And it would also be a good idea to try with the --simulate flag
first.

Of course you have backed up all your configuration files first,
including database related stuff in /var just in case ...

And remember that with some major version changes to software
in the upgrade, you may need to do quite a bit of work to
get things back to your customization level, as per the Release Notes
as R J Kettlewell has advised you to read before doing anything.

J G Miller

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On Sunday, May 5th, 2013, at 21:27:45h +0000, J G Miller wrote:

> Of course you have backed up all your configuration files first,
> including database related stuff in /var just in case ...

Something else to remember that in an upgrade one will be
downloading lots of packages, a lot more than usual.

Therefore it is vital to ensure that you have lots of
space available in the filesystem used by /var, since
/var/cache/apt/archives/ is going to be filled with maybe
a thousand or more packages rather than the usual one or
ten or so from normal usage.

Shadow

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May 5, 2013, 8:01:22 PM5/5/13
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On Sun, 05 May 2013 14:09:48 -0700, Ant wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Now that Debian v7 stable is out, I would like to get this newest stable
> version. Do I just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy from
> squeeze and then apt-get dist-upgrade? Here is what my file shows:
>

I just dist-upgraded to the gnome 3 desktop.
Took 2 hours, then another 2 hours to debug why my nivdia 173xx
driver was not loading .... dist-upgrade does not check if the kernel
headers are installed before running dkms ... and gives it as installed.
No bother, I fixed it and got my desktop up.
What is bothering me is that the desktop is so slow that if I
click on the top right icon it takes 5 minutes to give me a logout menu.

Iceweasel .... 5 minutes to load. Once it's loaded, it works fine.

Checked all the usual logs (syslog, kern and Xorg.0), the nvidia
module and glx are working perfectly, its setting resolution OK. The
desktop LOOKS great.

What do I have to disable to get it faster ? Mouse, net etc are
fine. It must be some "wobbly-window" feature I don't need. But searching
for it is a PITA on the desktop.
TIA
[]'s

PS Could it be my sound card ? Only error messages I can see are :

May 5 19:48:16 Servidor kernel: [ 8.860245] snd_via82xx_modem: probe
of 0000:00:11.6 failed with error -13
May 5 19:37:55 Servidor kernel: [ 6.190074] nvidia: module license
'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
May 5 19:37:55 Servidor kernel: [ 6.190080] Disabling lock debugging
due to kernel taint
May 5 19:48:32 Servidor rsyslogd-2177: imuxsock begins to drop messages
from pid 2889 due to rate-limiting
May 5 19:48:34 Servidor rsyslogd-2177: imuxsock lost 46 messages from pid
2889 due to rate-limiting
May 5 19:48:58 Servidor kernel: [ 60.030612] powernow-k8: Power state
transitions not supported
May 5 19:49:01 Servidor pulseaudio[4142]: [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed
to open cookie file '/etc/timidity/.pulse-cookie': No such file or
directory
May 5 19:49:01 Servidor pulseaudio[4142]: [pulseaudio] authkey.c: Failed
to load authorization key '/etc/timidity/.pulse-cookie': No such file or
directory
May 5 19:49:01 Servidor pulseaudio[4142]: [autospawn] lock-autospawn.c:
Cannot access autospawn lock.
May 5 20:06:11 Servidor kernel: [ 1092.550787] colord-sane[3832]: segfault
at 4 ip b4ec0472 sp b56e0fb8 error 6 in libdbus-1.so.3.7.2[b4e95000+49000]

Ant

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On 5/5/2013 2:27 PM PT, J G Miller typed:

>> Do I just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy from
>> squeeze and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
>
> Basically yes, not forgetting anything in sources.list.d. as well.

$ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d -all
total 12
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 7 20:36 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 May 4 19:46 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 175 Dec 7 20:36 google-earth.list

That's all I have.


> But it is probably a good idea to disable any third party repositories
> until after the upgrade.

Yeah, I mentioned that. :)


> And it would also be a good idea to try with the --simulate flag
> first.

Ah, good one!


> Of course you have backed up all your configuration files first,
> including database related stuff in /var just in case ...

Yep, I will be backing up my data.


> And remember that with some major version changes to software
> in the upgrade, you may need to do quite a bit of work to
> get things back to your customization level, as per the Release Notes
> as R J Kettlewell has advised you to read before doing anything.

Are you saying the upgrade will overwrite my old settings? :(
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Ant

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On 5/5/2013 2:44 PM PT, J G Miller typed:

>> Of course you have backed up all your configuration files first,
>> including database related stuff in /var just in case ...
>
> Something else to remember that in an upgrade one will be
> downloading lots of packages, a lot more than usual.
>
> Therefore it is vital to ensure that you have lots of
> space available in the filesystem used by /var, since
> /var/cache/apt/archives/ is going to be filled with maybe
> a thousand or more packages rather than the usual one or
> ten or so from normal usage.

This should be enough on my SSD (HDD is just storage and backups), right?

$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdb1 960504 585160 326552 65% /
tmpfs 1030216 0 1030216 0% /lib/init/rw
udev 1024128 272 1023856 1% /dev
tmpfs 1030216 788 1029428 1% /dev/shm
/dev/sdb9 50013916 1626048 45847276 4% /home
/dev/sdb5 960504 17704 894008 2% /tmp
/dev/sdb8 49982172 5019244 42423920 11% /usr
/dev/sdb6 4804736 903416 3657252 20% /var
/dev/sda11 47383396 34146380 10830080 76% /media/_others

I will do an apt-get clean before the big download and upgrade. :)
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Ant

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On 5/5/2013 5:01 PM PT, Shadow typed:

> I just dist-upgraded to the gnome 3 desktop.
> Took 2 hours, then another 2 hours to debug why my nivdia 173xx
> driver was not loading .... dist-upgrade does not check if the kernel
> headers are installed before running dkms ... and gives it as installed.
> No bother, I fixed it and got my desktop up.
> What is bothering me is that the desktop is so slow that if I
> click on the top right icon it takes 5 minutes to give me a logout menu.
>
> Iceweasel .... 5 minutes to load. Once it's loaded, it works fine.
...

Maybe ask in Debian's forum as well -- http://forums.debian.net/ ? :)
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Joe

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May 6, 2013, 4:48:58 AM5/6/13
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On Sun, 05 May 2013 19:50:50 -0700
Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 5/5/2013 2:27 PM PT, J G Miller typed:
>

>
>
> > And remember that with some major version changes to software
> > in the upgrade, you may need to do quite a bit of work to
> > get things back to your customization level, as per the Release
> > Notes as R J Kettlewell has advised you to read before doing
> > anything.
>
> Are you saying the upgrade will overwrite my old settings? :(

Not usually, but sometimes a new program version will have different
configuration requirements, not just different values. Sometimes there
is a completely different way of doing things, such as dependency-based
booting, though normally in an upgrade this will have been foreseen and
a workaround will be available until things can be sorted out properly.
It's useful to run a workstation on Sid, since you will get warnings of
upheavals like this a long way ahead, and will have learned how to deal
with them.

There was a major exim4 upgrade (as far as Debian was concerned)
between, I think, Etch and Lenny, and I opted to keep a
heavily-customised configuration. Unfortunately, the new version no
longer used debconf values, and refused to fully install. It wouldn't
uninstall either, even when I resorted to dpkg, so I ended up deleting
individual files to get back to a clean state. Fortunately I had a full
backup of /etc, and was able to recreate my configuration without too
much trouble once the new exim4 was installed. Sid wasn't able to help
here, since although my workstation does also run exim4, it isn't a
heavily-customised Internet-facing mail server, so I had no warning of
this issue.

This sort of thing is rare but not unknown, so at the very least
keep /etc and save the output of dpkg --get-selections, which is
probably the most painless way of doing a complete rebuild should
things go very badly wrong and you don't have a full backup that works.
About a year ago I did a migration of Squeeze to a 64-bit server, and
having become badly bogged down after two tries with different plans, I
gave up and did a new installation using --set-selections, which went
very smoothly, and then pretty much just copied in the old /etc.

Always go into an upgrade as prepared as possible, expecting the best
but being ready to deal with a disaster. I've always upgraded over ssh
(try that with Windows) but while sitting in the same room in case
something really did go wrong. Don't skip any of the preparation steps
suggested in the upgrade documentation, because if you do, it will
always be the one you really needed to do...

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J G Miller

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On Sunday, May 5th, 2013, at 19:51:56h -0700, Ant wrote:

> /dev/sdb6 4804736 903416 3657252 20% /var

3.6 GByte free may be enough, it really depends on how many
packages you have installed and how large they are.
/usr/share data files, particularly for games, can be very big
though.

I do not have many games installed, but note the size

df -h /usr/share
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdb7 11G 8.2G 1.9G 82% /usr/share

du -hs /usr/share/games
276M /usr/share/games

What you can always do is to temporarily point the archive
directory under /var/cache/apt via a symbolic link to a directory
archive on say /home.

Shadow

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On Sun, 05 May 2013 19:50:50 -0700, Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>Are you saying the upgrade will overwrite my old settings? :(

My services all seem to be working. (except audio)
My Desktop has been completely changed, all the files I left
on it are gone (from view), my old menus have all gone away, a lot of
programs I had autorun at startup are not visible, (pidgin and a
reminder program, for example).
Though I have VLC installed, and Thunderbird, they are no
longer the default programs for video and mail, so associations are
all shot.
I have to debug it all through an Ubuntu I have on another
partition, or with a root prompt, as the Debian desktop is so slow
it's unusable. One I get over the speed barrier, it will probably be
trivial to set things right.
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Shadow

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May 6, 2013, 8:59:17 AM5/6/13
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On Sun, 05 May 2013 19:53:21 -0700, Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>On 5/5/2013 5:01 PM PT, Shadow typed:
>
>> I just dist-upgraded to the gnome 3 desktop.
>> Took 2 hours, then another 2 hours to debug why my nivdia 173xx
>> driver was not loading .... dist-upgrade does not check if the kernel
>> headers are installed before running dkms ... and gives it as installed.
>> No bother, I fixed it and got my desktop up.
>> What is bothering me is that the desktop is so slow that if I
>> click on the top right icon it takes 5 minutes to give me a logout menu.
>>
>> Iceweasel .... 5 minutes to load. Once it's loaded, it works fine.
>...
>
>Maybe ask in Debian's forum as well -- http://forums.debian.net/ ? :)

I'm registered there. Just wondering if replies will be as
slow as the Desktop...
:(

Shadow

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May 6, 2013, 11:13:14 PM5/6/13
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On Mon, 06 May 2013 09:57:18 -0300, Shadow wrote:

Feedback ---> I selected gnome-classic** on the login window and
all is well. Gnome was eating up to 50% of my CPU, and that was when I
was doing nothing with it. Audio etc is working again.
I'm happy.
FWIW

** and put "exec gnome-session-fallback" in my .xinitrc - dunno if that
helped.

Now to figure out why all my desktop files and shortcuts are no
longer visible on the desktop, but are in ~/Desktop, with all permissions
unchanged .....
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