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J G Miller
May 17, 2012, 8:59:01 AM5/17/12
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libopenal1 -- Software implementation of the OpenAL API (shared library)
This is an audio library.
apt-get install libopenal1 libopenal-data libopenal-dev
The following extra packages will be installed:
dnet-common libdnet libroar-compat2 libroar2
Setting up dnet-common (2.57) ...
dnet-common: Skipping configure of DECnet
update-rc.d: warning: decnet start runlevel arguments (S) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5)
update-rc.d: warning: decnet stop runlevel arguments (1) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 6)
DECnet not started as it is not configured.
Just how many people want DECnet installed on their PC to
run some audio applications?
Richard Kettlewell
May 17, 2012, 9:14:02 AM5/17/12
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actually compelled to install all those extras if you don't want them.
Still, I don't see why you care, or rather, why you care about this but
not all the things in (say) /lib/modules that you're not using.
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J G Miller
May 17, 2012, 10:16:47 AM5/17/12
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On Thursday, May 17th, 2012, at 14:14:02h +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> That comes in via a Recommends: field, so in this case you're not
> actually compelled to install all those extras if you don't want them.
The command
> That comes in via a Recommends: field, so in this case you're not
> actually compelled to install all those extras if you don't want them.
apt-get install libopenal1 libopenal-data libopenal-dev
in the immediate dialog following, but one may purge it after it has been installed.
So the download and install was rather pointless ...
Maybe one should always specify
--no-install-recommends
or configure apt with
Do not consider recommended packages as a dependency for
installing. Configuration Item: APT::Install-Recommends.
to avoid extra bloatware being installed? ;)
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J G Miller
May 17, 2012, 10:46:56 AM5/17/12
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On Thursday, May 17th, 2012, at 14:21:51h +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:
> Ideally Recommends would be flagged for review, but we generally end up
> not wanting them.
Yes that is the problem, one does not want to miss out on some potentially
helpful extras but often they are just not appropriate such as DECnet
in this case.
It would be good if apt-get had an option to allow a Y/N dialog response
to "install recommends" when recommends are available.
My point on this one is that an obsolete "proprietary" networking protocol
should not be getting installed for software related to audio.
I could understand it, if the package being installed was network
related, but audio is in a completely different application group ...
> Ideally Recommends would be flagged for review, but we generally end up
> not wanting them.
Yes that is the problem, one does not want to miss out on some potentially
helpful extras but often they are just not appropriate such as DECnet
in this case.
It would be good if apt-get had an option to allow a Y/N dialog response
to "install recommends" when recommends are available.
My point on this one is that an obsolete "proprietary" networking protocol
should not be getting installed for software related to audio.
I could understand it, if the package being installed was network
related, but audio is in a completely different application group ...
Ivan Shmakov
May 20, 2012, 12:42:48 AM5/20/12
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>>>>> J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG> writes:
>>>>> On Thursday, May 17th, 2012, at 14:21:51h +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:
>> Ideally Recommends would be flagged for review, but we generally end up
>> not wanting them.
> Yes that is the problem, one does not want to miss out on some
> potentially helpful extras but often they are just not appropriate
> such as DECnet in this case.
Alternatively, one can craft a simplistic Conflicts:-only
>> Ideally Recommends would be flagged for review, but we generally end up
>> not wanting them.
> Yes that is the problem, one does not want to miss out on some
> potentially helpful extras but often they are just not appropriate
> such as DECnet in this case.
package (say, with equivs) to prevent these packages from being
installed. E. g.:
Package: get-rid-of-the-boring-stuff
Priority: required
Conflicts: dbus, gfxboot, libdrm-intel1, libdrm-nouveau1, libdrm-radeon1, os-prober, plymouth
Description: Block unwanted packages
This package's solely purpose is to conflict with a few unwanted
packages.
> It would be good if apt-get had an option to allow a Y/N dialog
> response to "install recommends" when recommends are available.
> My point on this one is that an obsolete "proprietary" networking
> protocol should not be getting installed for software related to
> audio.
> I could understand it, if the package being installed was network
> related, but audio is in a completely different application group ...
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J G Miller
May 20, 2012, 8:34:00 AM5/20/12
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On Sunday, May 20th, 2012, at 11:42:48h +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> Well, JACK and NAS are audio. Yet, they're network.
Yes that is the problem with generalist simplistic statements --
> Well, JACK and NAS are audio. Yet, they're network.
they are so easy to pick apart, but they do not require
an alternative network protocol (DECnet) to the "standard" TCP/IP.
And pulseaudio has network capabilities as well ...
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