OT - irregular domain names
Beth
Right, first thing is to appologise for being off-topic here...but,
basically, it's a simple question and I've seen people here use irregular
domain names and I'm only expecting one or maybe two short "yes/no"-ish type
of replies...subscribing and waiting and unsubscribing to one of the massive
groups (in fact, which newsgroup would this be on-topic? That's a big
question in itself...lol ;) for a simple question seems pointless...so, I've
marked the subject line as OT and hope you'll excuse the tiny
intrusion...and that people reply in a similar spirit and make a short
little reply with a simple answer or URL and then it can die off...please,
don't turn this into a massive thread or anything because I get in enough
trouble for being off-topic and don't want to get blamed and flamed for yet
another grossly off-topic thread...
Ok, basically, all I want to know is how you register irregular domain names
(i.e. doesn't start with www, has a number of components, that sort of thing
:) because all the places I've looked about registering domain names insist
on "www" and only one word before the "com" and stuff...I don't want to
break the rules in a major way...standards are there for a reason...but
domain names are being snapped up by cyber-squatters and personal homepages
at a ludicrous level (and then all those domestic users who use ".com" when
there's nothing at all commerical about their site in the slightest...the
lack of a ".dom" (or ".home" or something :) for personal websites was/still
is a gross omission in my opinion...it would also make sooo much easier to
avoid those annoying sites telling you about someone's wife and kids, when
what you really want is some technical information...if it ends in ".dom",
you know it's a personal website...".com" is for buying things and product
support...the new ".info" could be for, obviously, informational sites...it
really, really should have been sorted out a long, long time ago because now
domain names - even with the rules - are a total mess :)...basically, I'm
thinking something more like (just an example :) "beth.programming.asm.com"
or "web.beth.com"...not grossly breaking the usual rules but freeing up a
whole bunch of unused domain names...giving the entire world the only option
of one word that's more than two characters? Well, who's dumb idea was that?
There's nowhere near enough scope there for even having enough website
possibilities let alone sensible and obvious domain names...not all of us
have the money and power to buy out a cyber-squatter or personal homepage
with a few million as Coke or Microsoft could...
Anyway, enough bitching about the horrible state of things...basically, I've
seen Alexei's "welcome.to/pmode" address (although, that's probably abusing
that "to" is the designation for Tonga, isn't it? ;) and then in
alt.os.assembly someone posted a link with "v2os.v2.nl", which is also
non-standard :)...so, I thought if you guys have already done this, you can
give me a quick pointer to somewhere and that's all that's
needed...although, if there are any Brits out there that know the more
legal/moral issues of what's permitted then I wouldn't mind an Email about
that either...
I don't _want_ to break the rules...but the rules are crap and have left me
no choice but to try, because there's no way I'm going to put up with
soemthing horrible like "www. beth45483957298.com" (space delibrate to stop
Outlook turning that into a hyperlink ;) as the only way to get a
URL...because they seem to still think it's a DoD internal network with the
crap rules and options given...
Anyway, thanks in advance...please don't get too angry that I'm not much
on-topic...but if I get a decent answer then, eventually, it indirectly gets
back to being on-topic because I'm bound to put some ASM and OS programming
stuff on any site I do register this way...think of it as investment in the
future ;)
Beth :)
Tim Robinson
news:uc3Y6.6410$6q2.6...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> Ok, basically, all I want to know is how you register irregular domain
names
> (i.e. doesn't start with www, has a number of components, that sort of
thing
> :) because all the places I've looked about registering domain names
insist
> on "www" and only one word before the "com" and stuff...
The "domain name" is only the component to the immediate left of the TLD.
The network hosting that name is free to put whatever it wants before it, by
virtue of DNS.
For instance, my news server (currently) is news.cc.ic.ac.uk. The domain
name is ic.ac.uk; the Computing Services department put "cc" in all their
hosts' names; they have a host called "news" which provides a newsfeed.
Before the WWW took off, convention had it that networks would provide a
host running HTTP and it would be called "www" -- hence most web servers
have a name of the form www.server.tld.
> the
> lack of a ".dom" (or ".home" or something :) for personal websites
was/still
> is a gross omission in my opinion...it would also make sooo much easier to
> avoid those annoying sites telling you about someone's wife and kids, when
> what you really want is some technical information...
Hosting peoples' personal sites wasn't a big priority when DNS came into
being. Running military (.mil, .nato and .arpa) and academic (.edu) sites
was.
> basically, I'm
> thinking something more like (just an example :)
"beth.programming.asm.com"
> or "web.beth.com"...not grossly breaking the usual rules but freeing up a
> whole bunch of unused domain names...giving the entire world the only
option
> of one word that's more than two characters? Well, who's dumb idea was
that?
You're not breaking any rules here. If somebody wants to pay InterNIC(?) for
the "asm.com" domain, then run "beth.programming" off it, they're free to do
so. I've seen quite a few "xxx.uk.com" sites -- presumably some hosting
company has registered "uk.com" and it letting people run web sites off it.
> Anyway, enough bitching about the horrible state of things...basically,
I've
> seen Alexei's "welcome.to/pmode" address (although, that's probably
abusing
> that "to" is the designation for Tonga, isn't it? ;)
Somebody's registered a host called "welcome" with the Tongan Internet
registry service...
> I don't _want_ to break the rules...but the rules are crap and have left
me
> no choice but to try, because there's no way I'm going to put up with
> soemthing horrible like "www. beth45483957298.com" (space delibrate to
stop
> Outlook turning that into a hyperlink ;) as the only way to get a
> URL...because they seem to still think it's a DoD internal network with
the
> crap rules and options given...
There's not really any rules except for what you do at the level just above
the TLD (i.e. xxx in xxx.com, xxx.co.uk, etc.). The US registry, InterNIC (I
think that's right) doesn't seem to have as many rules as the UK does: for
example, you couldn't register "uk.co.uk" (names have to be longer than two
characters to allow for future expansion) or "com.co.uk" (in the UK, you use
a TLD name yourself; "uk.com" clearly goes against this rule but it is a US
address).
Jerry Coffin
BethS...@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com says...
[ ... ]
> Ok, basically, all I want to know is how you register irregular domain names
> (i.e. doesn't start with www, has a number of components, that sort of thing
> :)
You don't.
When you register a domain name, you register only the combination of
that last two components. e.g. if you wanted to create a web site
named:
Beths.really.cool.web.site.com
and an ftp site named:
Beths.really.cool.ftp.site.com
what you'd have to register would be "site.com" (assuming it's not
already taken). You then provide the registration authority with the
addresses of a couple of name servers. Those name servers then
provide the mapping from names to addresses "inside of" site.com. In
your case, you'd have entries in your name servers something like:
Beths.really.cool.web 1.2.3.4
Beths.really.cool.ftp 1.2.3.5
ultimately, you can do the same thing the top-level servers have as
well. E.g. a University might register "university.edu" as their
domain name. They might then (for example) have a name server for the
entire university that has entries for each of the colleges in the
University. Then each college would have its own name server for the
individual machines inside that college.
Getting to your specific examples, to host "web.beth.com", you'd only
have to register "beth.com", and then it would be up to you to
provide name servers for the rest of the name ("web" in this case).
The main advantage of this is that you can add new names as you see
fit without having to register all of them. For example, if you
wanted:
music.beth.com
programming.beth.com
personal.beth.com
web.beth.com
and so on, you can have all of them just by registering "beth.com"
and then doing the rest on your own.
--
Later,
Jerry.
The Universe is a figment of its own imagination.
notten
you register doggieshit.com and then you set up your dns server
with a record to point bill.gates.humps.chickens.and.eats.doggyshit.com
to 69.69.69.69 or whatever ip..... www.whatever.com is also like that
you can have heh.www.whatever.com or ww.whatever.com... www is
just a standard people started sticking by.. you can have irc.whatever.com
news.whatever.com.. just set up your dns records approrpiately...
notten
Frank Kotler
> Somebody's registered a host called "welcome" with the Tongan Internet
> registry service...
And why not the same for American Samoa?
(even further OT, how did Samoa get to be "American"?...)
Best,
Frank
Tim Robinson
news:3B32497A...@ne.mediaone.net...
| > Somebody's registered a host called "welcome" with the Tongan
Internet
| > registry service...
|
| And why not the same for American Samoa?
|
| (even further OT, how did Samoa get to be "American"?...)
The usual way: either
a) they "forgot" to give it back after WW2
b) they invaded it to stop the spread of the "Red Menace"
Dominic Grosleau
Thanx ! :)
"Tim Robinson" <timothy....@ic.ac.invalid> wrote in message
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Electric Ninja
Just look somewhere in the Pacific
"Dominic Grosleau" <dom...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-21 fbko...@ne.mediaone.net said:
>(even further OT, how did Samoa get to be "American"?...)
We won it in a crap game, Frank. :)
No; seriously...at one time, it was of strategic military
importance in our defense of the Pacific. So we 'bought' it.
anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-21 dom...@videotron.ca said:
>could someone tell me where is samoa located exactly ?
They've got these new high-tech things now to help you
with stuff like this, DomJon. They're called =maps.=
Go look it up.
Tim Robinson
news:F0vY6.8766$Xi3.3...@weber.videotron.net...
| > The usual way: either
| > a) they "forgot" to give it back after WW2
| > b) they invaded it to stop the spread of the "Red Menace"
|
(Typical: a search for "atlas" gives mainly US atlases...)
http://www.graphicmaps.com/webimage/countrys/oceania/as.htm
It's in the South Pacific, about 3000 km east of Australia.
"Official Name American Samoa,
Unincorporated territory of the USA, claimed 1900"
Frank Kotler
> "Official Name American Samoa,
> Unincorporated territory of the USA, claimed 1900"
I see. Already named that when we discovered it, apparently...
Bhutan might interest Beth - I bet they'd sell a domain-name cheap. OS
doesn't seem to have a country. Anyone know how to declare a state?
Best,
Frank
Dominic Grosleau
"Tim Robinson" <timothy....@ic.ac.invalid> wrote in message
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Dominic Grosleau
explorers in the 18th century. International rivalries in the latter half of
the 19th century were settled by an 1899 treaty in which Germany and the US
divided the Samoan archipelago. The US formally occupied its portion - a
smaller group of eastern islands with the excellent harbor of Pago Pago -
the following year. "
"Tim Robinson" <timothy....@ic.ac.invalid> wrote in message
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Alexei A. Frounze
american_flag_stars++;
:)
Good Luck
--
Alexei A. Frounze
alexfru [AT] chat [DOT] ru
http://alexfru.chat.ru
http://members.xoom.com/alexfru/
http://welcome.to/pmode/
Jerry Coffin
fbko...@ne.mediaone.net says...
[ ... ]
> OS
> doesn't seem to have a country. Anyone know how to declare a state?
Basically, you buy yourself an old oil-drilling rig that happens to
be outside of anybody's territory, and claim to be a country. Oh,
and since you probably won't have much of a defense department, be
sure you don't get any of your neighbors mad at you.
In case anybody cares, yes, this HAS been done. There's a "country"
that exists entirely on an old oil rig in the North Sea.
Tim Robinson
news:MPG.159d11e8f...@news.direcpc.com...
| In case anybody cares, yes, this HAS been done. There's a "country"
| that exists entirely on an old oil rig in the North Sea.
Rockall is another -- it's in the North Sea, and there's literally
"rock all" there, yet the UK, Denmark and IIRC Iceland and some other
Scandinavian country are fighting over it. I guess it determines the
ownership of large swathes of oil fields...
Maxim S. Shatskih
Bhutan has TV banned. Maybe Internet too :-)
Max
Beth
problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is bound to be gone
already (in fact, I know "beth.com"'s gone...I checked..but it's hardly
surprising there, is it? I think only things like "john.com" or "jane.com"
would be more likely to have disappeared ;)...so I have to come up with
something that has an unusual last word and hasn't been
registered...www.beth.programming.antidisestablishmentarianism.com...actuall
y, I wouldn't put bets that even that has been registered...it's really one
big cat fight out there...I looked with netnames and you wouldn't believe
how bizarre the domains get...I typed in something totally stupid a few
times (you know, "surely no-one's got this?" type of names :) and despaired
when I found them taken....hehehe ;)
Also, you talk about setting up DNS entries and the like but isn't this
pre-supposing I own the server? What if I'm using someone else's hosting
services? I have to get them to play ball, yes? Don't fancy my chances with
that...let's be honest, these hosting people are rarely co-operative for
bizarre requests like that...they give Perl/PHP support and the robots.txt
bit is in my root and not theirs...so, I have some freedom but I'm not sure
I could just wander up and add DNS entries...even if I could, how do I do
that?
Beth :)
Alexei A. Frounze
> Cool...thanks, guys...I think I see how it works now...but there's still a
> problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is bound to be gone
> already (in fact, I know "beth.com"'s gone...I checked..but it's hardly
> surprising there, is it? I think only things like "john.com" or "jane.com"
> would be more likely to have disappeared ;)...so I have to come up with
> something that has an unusual last word and hasn't been
>
registered...www.beth.programming.antidisestablishmentarianism.com...actuall
> y, I wouldn't put bets that even that has been registered...it's really
one
> big cat fight out there...I looked with netnames and you wouldn't believe
> how bizarre the domains get...I typed in something totally stupid a few
> times (you know, "surely no-one's got this?" type of names :) and
despaired
> when I found them taken....hehehe ;)
Whattabout bethtool.com/net/org/whatever? You wanted a beth tool, here you
go. :)
> Also, you talk about setting up DNS entries and the like but isn't this
> pre-supposing I own the server? What if I'm using someone else's hosting
> services? I have to get them to play ball, yes?
You're going to pay for both DNS entries and hosting. Hosting is more a
expensive thing in comparison to just having a DNS entry or two. There's one
cheap thing that you can do. You can register a name in DNS and make it
forwarding everybody to a free site on let's say tripod.com or something
similar. This service is available from many places. For instance, you may
even have a free bethtool.com for a whole year and it'll be doing that
forward thing. Just go to http://www.namedemo.com/ and try it. Of course
this is not completely free, you'll be having an extra banner on the top (or
the bottom) of your page (unless you actually buy that DNS thing) but
there's a way to kill it (as well as the damned banners on v3.com (btw, see
if this site can be anyhow helpful), nbci.com (former xoom.com)). Just like
I did, I put the following piece of code into the <header></header> section:
<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
function LoadEnglish() {
window.location="eindex.html";
};
//-->
</script>
And that "eindex.html" is the file that shows up without the banner.
> Don't fancy my chances with
> that...let's be honest, these hosting people are rarely co-operative for
> bizarre requests like that...they give Perl/PHP support and the robots.txt
> bit is in my root and not theirs...so, I have some freedom but I'm not
sure
> I could just wander up and add DNS entries...even if I could, how do I do
> that?
Tripod lets you run CGI/Perl for sure, but I really like things like PHP
more because of the syntax.
Paul Hsieh
> > problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is bound to be gone
> > already (in fact, I know "beth.com"'s gone...I checked..but it's hardly
> > surprising there, is it?
Every combination of 4 letters or less was gone long time ago. Its
probably up to every combination of 6 letters by now.
> [...] I think only things like "john.com" or "jane.com"
> > would be more likely to have disappeared ;)...so I have to come up with
> > something that has an unusual last word and hasn't been
>
> > registered...www.beth.programming.antidisestablishmentarianism.com...
> > actually, I wouldn't put bets that even that has been registered...
antidisestablishmentarianism.com has been taken by domainit.com. I.e.,
its a registration service itself that is cybersquatting on the name.
Those bastards. They also think if I can't spell it, I am a twit. A pox
upon them.
I hate true cybersquatters (not like the musical group e-Toy, or the
people who originally registered veronnica.org.) Some idiot owns
"amillionmonkeys.com" and refuses to answer my email to him, and hasn't
mapped the damn URL to anything. Bastard. I hope he gets a urinary
tract disease.
> > [...] it's really
> > one big cat fight out there...I looked with netnames and you wouldn't believe
> > how bizarre the domains get...I typed in something totally stupid a few
> > times (you know, "surely no-one's got this?" type of names :) and
> > despaired when I found them taken....hehehe ;)
>
> Whattabout bethtool.com/net/org/whatever? You wanted a beth tool, here you
> go. :)
Go to www.register.com to check for URL availability. As of this moment
bethtool.com is available. In fact, bethtool.* is available.
> > Also, you talk about setting up DNS entries and the like but isn't this
> > pre-supposing I own the server? What if I'm using someone else's hosting
> > services? I have to get them to play ball, yes?
>
> You're going to pay for both DNS entries and hosting.
Good hosting services like www.pair.com will do both. In fact there are
many hosting services (like www.pair.com) that will sell the complete
package (domain name registration, and web/ftp hosting.)
> [...] Hosting is more a
> expensive thing in comparison to just having a DNS entry or two. There's one
> cheap thing that you can do. You can register a name in DNS and make it
> forwarding everybody to a free site on let's say tripod.com or something
> similar.
Yeah, but in that case you might as well go for one of the free URLs like
cjb.net (for example: qed.cjb.net points to my website -- having the
status of second level status is not worth it all by itself if it just
redirects to something like *.tripod.com.)
Actually if you use a service like www.register.com you have to be very
careful that you don't accidentally sign up for this. You typically
don't want to registrar to redirect your URL since they don't provide any
web-hosting themselves. The web-host does that part.
So the steps you should follow are roughly this:
1. Sign up for a web hosting service. They will give you some lame
default URL like www153.pair.com/beth that you can FTP to and you
will have whatever services you decide to sign up for (CGI support,
e-commerce, add-ons like webboards, an email account, or whatever.)
When you sign up you have to give them things like your name and
address. They can't possibly check it for validity, so I imagine you
can pick whatever the hell you want here, but whatever you pick write
it down and remember it (if its not your real name and address).
2. Go to a registrar and pick out your domain name and go ahead and sign
up. Its usually about $35 a year, and they usually require you to
sign up for 2 years, and there might be a discount for signing up
for 5 years or more.
Here's the kicker though. To get the domain name you have to provide
an email address, your name and address. And for this to work its
got to match the one you gave the web hosting service. I think the
email account has to be real since they will send confirmations
there.
3. Contact your web hosting service and tell them to enter your new
domain name to map to your account (www153.pair.com/beth, say.) At
this point you may have the option of having something other than
"www" or nothing in front of the domain name you chose. This is
where you would specify this.
Now this is supposed to take a few days to fully propogate throughout
the internet. However, many web hosting services are extremely
delinquent and may take a long time to do this. They way I got them
to get off their butts is after a pointless email exchange with
everyone, I put up a web page in my webspace indicating that I would
cancel payments on my credit card if they did not get things working
by some reasonably deadline (which I specified exactly.) After
nearly two weeks of nothing, they got everything working within 3
days of me putting that web page up.
Now remember, before you get your fancy (non-"www") URL, you have to know
that your web host will support this. You should do some shopping around
to make sure you pick a good web host. There are many (like 50megs.com
which also runs a commercial service) that have down time which probably
makes them a non-option. On the other hand web hosts like www.pair.com
host www.x86.org, www.sandpile.org, www.tomshardware.com, etc. So I knew
they were good (that's the one I chose.) But I don't know if they even
support the idea of exotic non-"www" URL addresses. So you're going to
have to shop around.
> [...] This service is available from many places. For instance, you may
> even have a free bethtool.com for a whole year and it'll be doing that
> forward thing. Just go to http://www.namedemo.com/ and try it. Of course
> this is not completely free, you'll be having an extra banner on the top (or
> the bottom) of your page (unless you actually buy that DNS thing) but
> there's a way to kill it (as well as the damned banners on v3.com (btw, see
> if this site can be anyhow helpful), nbci.com (former xoom.com)). Just like
> I did, I put the following piece of code into the <header></header> section:
>
> <script language="JavaScript">
> <!--
> function LoadEnglish() {
> window.location="eindex.html";
> };
> //-->
> </script>
This still works on many of these free websites and services, however its
generally a violation of the usage agreement -- they will revoke your
account at their discretion if they want to. Many of the free sites are
getting wise to this though, and are cleverly overriding such subterfuge
(I spent some time, but could not find a work-around for either
50megs.com or dreamwater.com -- geocities is still fair easy to work
around, but their usage agreement is entirely unacceptable to me.)
> And that "eindex.html" is the file that shows up without the banner.
>
> > Don't fancy my chances with
> > that...let's be honest, these hosting people are rarely co-operative for
> > bizarre requests like that...they give Perl/PHP support and the robots.txt
> > bit is in my root and not theirs...so, I have some freedom but I'm not sure
> > I could just wander up and add DNS entries...even if I could, how do I do
> > that?
It depends on the service, but its likely they will simply charge you a
little extra for each one of the sub-domains that you want (probably a
one time fee.) The alternative of running your own DNS server allows you
to deal with this yourself, but then you have to deal with the uptime of
your DNS server.
> Tripod lets you run CGI/Perl for sure, but I really like things like PHP
> more because of the syntax.
They do?!?! Hmmm ... maybe I should look into them a little more
carefully (you can remove banners and pop-ups far more effectively with
CGI -- in fact you can even use webspace from other servers using clever
CGI and work around their banners from there.)
--
Paul Hsieh
http://qed.50megs.com/gui
http://www.pobox.com/~qed/
Alexei A. Frounze
news:MPG.159dded25...@news.pacbell.net...
> I hate true cybersquatters (not like the musical group e-Toy, or the
> people who originally registered veronnica.org.) Some idiot owns
> "amillionmonkeys.com" and refuses to answer my email to him, and hasn't
> mapped the damn URL to anything. Bastard. I hope he gets a urinary
> tract disease.
remember gm.com & generalmotors.com story? :)
> This still works on many of these free websites and services, however its
> generally a violation of the usage agreement -- they will revoke your
> account at their discretion if they want to. Many of the free sites are
> getting wise to this though, and are cleverly overriding such subterfuge
> (I spent some time, but could not find a work-around for either
> 50megs.com or dreamwater.com -- geocities is still fair easy to work
> around, but their usage agreement is entirely unacceptable to me.)
Agreed, a violation. There was a problem two months ago with the actual site
with my PMode Tutorials in C and ASM, it was on Tripod and those bastards
removed it for some reason. The first message which I got was something like
"removed due to terms of service violation" or something. The only thing
that was a violation is that piece of JScript code but it only worked
against v3, not tripod, e.g. I didn't hide Tripods banners crap and I could
not, it's an automatically generated thing which is placed right into the
beginning of the original HTML source. v3 never asked me to remove that
piece of code nor tried to close my account there. A day or two later, I saw
a different message on tripod like "several sites have been removed due to a
bug in the server software", which is a total crap and must never happen (OK
only due to hardware failure). I tried to contact tripod and get more info
on the real cause of the removal as well as info on getting the account back
up and running, but this is just a waste of time -- they don't care to
explain anything (probably they even don't keep any database with short and
clear info on the cause of the site removal) and they can't reply shortly,
so I simply made another one with the same content, no problems so far
(until next software bug, I guess :).
> > Tripod lets you run CGI/Perl for sure, but I really like things like PHP
> > more because of the syntax.
>
> They do?!?! Hmmm ... maybe I should look into them a little more
> carefully (you can remove banners and pop-ups far more effectively with
> CGI -- in fact you can even use webspace from other servers using clever
> CGI and work around their banners from there.)
Yes, they do. I'm not good at all that CGI/Perl stuff, some day I reistered
an account there to try this thing later, but never actually done that.
anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-22 BethS...@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com said:
>Cool...thanks, guys...I think I see how it works now...but there's
>still a problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is
>bound to be gone already (in fact, I know "beth.com"'s gone...I
>checked..
'www.beth.co.uk' is available.
>Also, you talk about setting up DNS entries and the like but isn't
>this pre-supposing I own the server? What if I'm using someone
>else's hosting services? I have to get them to play ball, yes?
>Don't fancy my chances with that...let's be honest, these hosting
>people are rarely co-operative for bizarre requests like that...
Sure they are; it's easy, and quite common. What you want
is called 'aliasing.'
For a fee, your ISP will 'alias' an ultra-cool domain name
of your choice to your =actual= web site.
So, for example, you could choose 'www.beth.co.uk' as your
domain name...and through 'aliasing,' all traffic accessing
that URL would be invisibly redirected to your real web site.
If you don't currently have a web site, you can get one
for a fee from most any ISP (this is called 'web hosting')
-- and, again, you can choose your own aliased domain name.
A good example of this is the web site of Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
in Germany...a lady who's about 10 years older than you are.
She (as I am) is 'into' CP/M computers and software. She
has a wonderful web site devoted to the subject (in German
=and= English). Her domain is 'www.gaby.de' ! :)
(BTW, you =DON'T= have to go to any 'outside' agencies or
services, as some folks have stated in their replies to
your message. Your ISP can handle all the details for you.)
chris.danx
> its a registration service itself that is cybersquatting on the name.
> Those bastards. They also think if I can't spell it, I am a twit. A pox
> upon them.
>
> I hate true cybersquatters (not like the musical group e-Toy, or the
> people who originally registered veronnica.org.) Some idiot owns
> "amillionmonkeys.com" and refuses to answer my email to him, and hasn't
> mapped the damn URL to anything. Bastard. I hope he gets a urinary
> tract disease.
I thought Cybersquatting was illegal. Didn't someone go to court in Britain
over a cybersquatter who obviously wasn't going to use it and force them to
release it? I thought i read that somewhere, though i could be wrong.
Anyway all cyberbersquatters are skum! I wanted to register www.marjorie.*,
suprise, suprise they're unavailable. Some of them are registered to a non
cybersquatting company but one is being squatted, damn that little git.
Chris
Tim Robinson
news:gt_Y6.5671$mK4.6...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
| Anyway all cyberbersquatters are skum! I wanted to register
www.marjorie.*,
| suprise, suprise they're unavailable. Some of them are registered
to a non
| cybersquatting company but one is being squatted, damn that little
git.
Here's another one: My dad's runs a business in the North-West called
AcuTrak (they do general electronic stuff, a lot with the military,
etc.). www.acutrak.co.uk is being cybersquatted by a nearby ISP --
they must have gone through the phone book and bought up
likely-looking domain names. Luckily my dad wanted
www.acutrakpsl.co.uk anyway (or something like that). So KenComp
Internet, Kendal, Cumbria, is sitting on (and paying for) a domain
name which will never be used... hahaha! :)
Beth
> (Typical: a search for "atlas" gives mainly US atlases...)
Which, actually, is the wrong name, isn't it? It's a map if it's of a
specific place but when it covers the entire world _then_ it's an atlas
(after all, the word comes from a bloke who held the world on his shoulders,
not just a specific country with his little finger...hehehe ;)...
But, then, that's quite typical too...if you must "borrow" _our_ language
for your own use, then, please would you be considerate enough to use it
properly...thank you :) *
Beth :)
---
* only kidding...y'all says whatever ya like, sugahs...hehehe ;)
Beth
[ Btw, I think I remember saying that I wasn't expecting a large thread and
could people not make it a large thread...I asked nicely and
everything...but what do you go and do? You all start talking about maps and
atlases...well, it's not my fault this time...you all started talking about
that crap and I'm not taking the blame on this one...not my problem,
Jack...hehehehe ;) ]
Beth :)
Beth
> They've got these new high-tech things now to help you
> with stuff like this, DomJon. They're called =maps.=
> Go look it up.
lol :)
Although, you're quite correct...they're called "maps"..._unless_ they cover
the whole world then they're "atlases"...you might wish to let your fellow
Americans know this, if Tim's web search is any guide to the general
populace :) *
Beth :)
---
* Again, just ribbin' ya, cowboy...hehehe ;)
Beth
> Frank wrote:
> >(even further OT, how did Samoa get to be "American"?...)
>
> We won it in a crap game, Frank. :)
Now, "crap game"...would that mean:
1. a game that is crap? e.g boring...
2. a "game" involving crap? e.g some disgusting (or kinky, for some*)
thing were you'd
3. a game called "Crap"?
And why would you either want to play a game that is crap, play a game with
your crap or entitled a game "crap", anyway?
You "New Worlders" are a funny bunch at times, ain't ya? hehehe :)
Beth :)
---
* apparently, Hitler is reported of being fond and turned on by having women
use him as a toilet...
[ Well, it says so in my little brother's "Mini-guide to the World's
Dictators"...yes, such a book exists...quite what use a pocket-sized guide
(what's that about? Why does it need to be easy to carry around? ;) to the
world's worst tyrannical oppressors is, I don't know, but someone thought it
was a good idea...and, worse, my dumb brother thought it would be a good
read...guess what? I've only read one chapter of it and that's about ten
times more than my brother read of it...he thought it was really great idea
until he actually got it and then just abandoned it after the second
page...he's like that, gets carried away with wanting things and gives up on
them once he's got them...girls mostly...but book too
sometimes...hehehe...well, I suppose it gives me loads of opportunities to
catch the wedding bouquet...because he's bound to go through a few wives
with his usual attitude to things (I tell him that too...hehehe ;)...
Example:
*getting all excited*
My li'l bro: "Will you marry me?"
His girlfriend: "Yes!"
*At this exact point he'll lose any interest in her and wishes he hadn't
asked, planning a way out of getting hitched* hehehe ;) ]
anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-23 BethS...@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com said:
>anonymous wrote:
>
> > We won it in a crap game, Frank. :)
>
>Now, "crap game"...would that mean:
>1. a game that is crap? e.g boring...
>2. a "game" involving crap? e.g some disgusting (or kinky, for
> some) thing...
>3. a game called "Crap"?
>
>And why would you either want to play a game that is crap, play a
>game with your crap or entitle a game "crap", anyway?
>
>You "New Worlders" are a funny bunch at times, ain't ya? hehehe :)
Heh! Nah...it's merely your youthful inexperience showing, Liz. :)
'Craps' is a gambling game, played with a pair of dice. The
finest casinos everywhere in the world have 'crap tables'...
on which the game is played.
Quite briefly, the game is played thusly:
A player rolls the dice. If they turn up double 1s ('snake-
eyes') on the first roll, the player loses. He has 'crapped out.'
If the player rolls a 7 on the first dice-roll, he wins.
If neither a 7 nor 'snake-eyes' turns up on the first roll,
then the player proceeds to roll the dice again, and must
try to match the number he got on his first dice-roll.
If the player succeeds in matching the number of his first
dice-roll, he wins. But if he rolls 'snake-eyes' OR a 7,
then he loses ('craps out').
The player continues to roll the dice until he either matches
his first dice-roll, or 'craps out.'
That's it.
In some permutations of the game, both 7 =and= 11 are winners
on the first dice-roll, and 'crap' on subsequent rolls. But
this varies according to local custom.
So you see, Elisabeth, you still have much to learn as you
travel the road of life that lies stretched out before you.
Frankly, I'm a little envious of all those new experiences
that are awaiting your discovery. But only a =little!= ;)
anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-23 BethS...@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com said:
>Although, you're quite correct...they're called "maps"..._unless_
>they cover the whole world then they're "atlases"...
Ummm...technically, an atlas (in this sense) is a collection
of individual =maps.=
>...you might wish to let your fellow Americans know this, if
>Tim's web search is any guide to the general populace :) *
>Beth :)
>---
>* Again, just ribbin' ya, cowboy...hehehe ;)
I know. It's okay; I can take it. ;)
Scott Wood
>Every combination of 4 letters or less was gone long time ago. Its
>probably up to every combination of 6 letters by now.
Not quite; a quick random check revealed names such as qcdi.com/org/net and
rpeu.com/org/net to be open. Now, if you mean *interesting* four letter
combinations, you're almost certainly correct, but there are some strange
ones still available.
-Scott
Scott Wood
>> I hate true cybersquatters (not like the musical group e-Toy, or the
>> people who originally registered veronnica.org.) Some idiot owns
>> "amillionmonkeys.com" and refuses to answer my email to him, and hasn't
>> mapped the damn URL to anything. Bastard. I hope he gets a urinary
>> tract disease.
>
>I thought Cybersquatting was illegal. Didn't someone go to court in Britain
>over a cybersquatter who obviously wasn't going to use it and force them to
>release it? I thought i read that somewhere, though i could be wrong.
Possibly, but that wouldn't matter since the owner of amillionmonkeys.com
lives in the US, not Britain (assuming he didn't give false information when
registering the domain).
-Scott
Scott Wood
>Tim Robinson wrote:
>> (Typical: a search for "atlas" gives mainly US atlases...)
>
>Which, actually, is the wrong name, isn't it? It's a map if it's of a
>specific place but when it covers the entire world _then_ it's an atlas
>(after all, the word comes from a bloke who held the world on his shoulders,
>not just a specific country with his little finger...hehehe ;)...
According to dictionary.com, an atlas is "a book or bound collection of
maps", with no reference to the maps being of the entire world. Would you
call a sheet of paper that contains a single map of the world an atlas?
>But, then, that's quite typical too...if you must "borrow" _our_ language
>for your own use, then, please would you be considerate enough to use it
>properly...thank you :) *
And from how many languages has English borrowed, and do you maintain the
exact spelling, pronunciation, and meaning of each borrowed word? :-)
-Scott
Maxim S. Shatskih
> travel the road of life that lies stretched out before you.
> Frankly, I'm a little envious of all those new experiences
> that are awaiting your discovery. But only a =little!= ;)
Why make fun of this good girly?
Max
anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-25 ma...@storagecraft.com said:
>Why make fun of this good girly?
Was =not= making fun of her, Maxim. I was talking to her
like a father...or, maybe, a Dutch uncle.
Shall I put on my babushka and go out into the Siberian
storm? ;)
--
"We will bury you!" - Nikita Kruschev
Alexei A. Frounze
news:tjdjn0e...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> On 2001-06-25 ma...@storagecraft.com said:
>
> >Why make fun of this good girly?
>
> Was =not= making fun of her, Maxim. I was talking to her
> like a father...or, maybe, a Dutch uncle.
>
> Shall I put on my babushka and go out into the Siberian
> storm? ;)
Ah, babushka... Ever read "Crime and Punishment" by Fedor M. Dostoevsky? :)
Maxim S. Shatskih
>
> Was =not= making fun of her, Maxim. I was talking to her
> like a father...or, maybe, a Dutch uncle.
Wow, I understand :-)
Max
Maxim S. Shatskih
:)
"Rodion, have you really killed an old lady for 20 copecks?"
"Surely, 5 old ladies means a rouble!"
:-))))
Max
Beth
> 2. a "game" involving crap? e.g some disgusting (or kinky, for some*)
> thing were you'd
Oops! I forgot to finish this sentence...but, probably, that's for the
better here...there's no need to be graphic about what a game involving crap
would be like, is there? Suffice to say, it's messy...lol ;)
Beth :)
Beth
> Beth wrote:
> >Cool...thanks, guys...I think I see how it works now...but there's
> >still a problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is
> >bound to be gone already (in fact, I know "beth.com"'s gone...I
> >checked..
>
> 'www.beth.co.uk' is available.
Really? Damn...I was only looking for names...I don't have the cash
available at the moment to actually register it and it'll probably end up
gone by the time I get the funds together :(
Don't _anyone_ here dare touch it...well, not unless you want to give it to
me as a gift, of course...hehehe ;)
> >Also, you talk about setting up DNS entries and the like but isn't
> >this pre-supposing I own the server? What if I'm using someone
> >else's hosting services? I have to get them to play ball, yes?
> >Don't fancy my chances with that...let's be honest, these hosting
> >people are rarely co-operative for bizarre requests like that...
>
> Sure they are; it's easy, and quite common. What you want
> is called 'aliasing.'
>
> For a fee, your ISP will 'alias' an ultra-cool domain name
> of your choice to your =actual= web site.
>
> So, for example, you could choose 'www.beth.co.uk' as your
> domain name...and through 'aliasing,' all traffic accessing
> that URL would be invisibly redirected to your real web site.
>
> If you don't currently have a web site, you can get one
> for a fee from most any ISP (this is called 'web hosting')
> -- and, again, you can choose your own aliased domain name.
>
> A good example of this is the web site of Mrs. Gaby Chaudry
> in Germany...a lady who's about 10 years older than you are.
> She (as I am) is 'into' CP/M computers and software. She
> has a wonderful web site devoted to the subject (in German
> =and= English). Her domain is 'www.gaby.de' ! :)
>
> (BTW, you =DON'T= have to go to any 'outside' agencies or
> services, as some folks have stated in their replies to
> your message. Your ISP can handle all the details for you.)
Cool...thanks for the info., my unnamed friend...
Although, it's actually a little frustrating that "beth.co.uk" is available
because I'm not in a position to grab it immediately (I was only asking this
stuff to get the information I needed to do it later on...so, I know exactly
what I'm doing before I get started :) and I have awful luck with these
things (see my other post about the horrible cybersquatter :)...so, I just
know that I'll get everything ready to find it was registered elsewhere
exactly five minutes and twenty-three seconds before I got there :(
Beth :)
Beth
Well, a very reasonable possibility I've just thought up that fits this, is
that they have too many websites to deal with manually and made a little
robot that looks through all the HTML and looks for naughty bits of JScript
and then automatically revoked those pages...so, up comes the "removed due
to terms of service violation" message because it spotted naughty JScript in
your page...but, then, some of the people that got removed start complaining
that their JScript was totally innocent (much like yours...well, in regard
to tripod, anyway ;) and that the robot had got it wrong, misreading it
(well, it's only a robot...there's a limit to how clever it could be in
working out what the code is doing :) and the removal was invalid...
Now, to save face on such a dumb mistake, they don't put "some sites were
removed because we got overzealous and sent a robot out removing sites
automatically and it deleted far too many innocent sites by accident"...no,
that doesn't look good on them, so they phrase it more diplomatically as:
"several sites have been removed due to a bug in the server software" (well,
you could call the robot "buggy" and it could also be called "server
software" too ;)...and, yes, they _won't_ give you information about this
because it would be admitting they don't really know what they're doing and
that they used a stupid policy (a bit like those dumb ISPs that thought
banning other ISPs who propogate spam was a good idea and is causing all
those CLAX problems...ummm, has anyone explained how the internet works to
these people? It's totally based on inter-ISP co-operation - for good or
ill - and, without that, it doesn't work at all...you can't be selective
like this or you end up messing lots of things up big-time for all the
legitimate use...and, worse, for totally innocent users on totally innocent
ISPs, that just happen to need to use a black-listed ISP as a proxy on their
way to the dumbo ISP who's decided to refuse things...=if= you could
guarantee a path for delivery, then maybe there's some grounds for this
(but, even then, I still think it's a dumb idea) but you can't with the
internet as it stands...an ISP can route it through any and every ISP it
wants to on the way to the place it should be going...in fact, for good
operation, it is even advisable to evenly distribute things across ISPs so
that no one connection gets "clogged" with requests...instead, delibrately
send it to the "wrong" place, and let them deal with routing it via
different path to get around the "traffic jam" connection ;)...
Ok, I have no idea if this is really what happened...but "several sites have
been removed due to a bug in the server software" strongly suggests
something like this...I mean, your pages will just be stored on a large
capacity disk somewhere, right? For a batch of pages to get accidentally
removed, some sort of "removal software" had to make a big cock-up
somewhere...and probably the "removed due to terms of service violation"
message was the robot's automatic response it generates when it's removed
something...realising their little robot got way too power-mad and excited,
deleting loads of innocent sites...they posted up a diplomatic thing like
that...well, to be fair, 99% of people will read "several sites have been
removed due to a bug in the server software" and not quite understanding the
internet will just think it's one of those things...if they'd posted :"some
sites were removed because we got overzealous and sent a robot out removing
sites automatically and it deleted far too many innocent sites by
accident"...this admits that they got it majorly wrong and impacts on their
image to those 99% customers...they would now know that it was a major
cock-up and not just "one of those things that happens with computers" that
the first diplomatic message tries to imply...
Of course, the 1% of us out there that know better, realising that the most
likely cause for something like this is actually that tripod don't really
know what they're doing and won't admit it...hehehe ;)
Beth :)
Beth
> chris.danx (blue furry alien :) wrote:>
> > Anyway all cyberbersquatters are skum! I wanted to register
> > www.marjorie.*, suprise, suprise they're unavailable. Some
> > of them are registered to a non cybersquatting company but
> > one is being squatted, damn that little git.
>
> Here's another one: My dad's runs a business in the North-West called
> AcuTrak (they do general electronic stuff, a lot with the military,
> etc.). www.acutrak.co.uk is being cybersquatted by a nearby ISP --
> they must have gone through the phone book and bought up
> likely-looking domain names. Luckily my dad wanted
> www.acutrakpsl.co.uk anyway (or something like that). So KenComp
> Internet, Kendal, Cumbria, is sitting on (and paying for) a domain
> name which will never be used... hahaha! :)
That's crappy...but I had one arrogant little jumped-up cybersquatter when I
was making enquiries before...I wrote him a nice Email asking him about the
use of a URL (he had it registered but it was an empty page there - and
checking with WHOIS, it had been registered for well over a full year...so,
I'm thinking, it's a cybersquatter or it's someone who thought: "I'll make a
webpage" and gave up on the idea when they couldn't understand HTML or
something...e.g. if it was the second case, then he could probably be
persuaded to let me have it because he can't (or can't be bothered) to make
use of it)...
Anyway, he then tells me that he is planning to use the site and that he'd
only just registered it (which WHOIS confirms is a blatant lie because it's
been registered under his name for well over a year at this time...I mean,
where on earth did he think I got his Email address from? It wasn't even an
obvious "guessable" address and wasn't related in the slightest to his
registered domain name, even if it was...some yahoo thing...come on, where
else could I have got it from? Stupid bugger...if you have to lie, learn to
do a good job of it, yes? hehehe :)...
So, this guy sounds really nice and friendly (ignoring that one weird
lie...but, to be fair, maybe he'd been intending to do something with it all
this time and was embarassed to admit to me that he'd just been too lazy or
not good enough with HTML to do anything with it yet...and maybe that's why
he lied :)...really, he was _really_ nice and sent me a few Emails chatting
with me...so, when he asks what I want it for, I thought it would be ok to
say...so, I tell him some other domain names which would fit with what I'm
doing (which were available :) and guess what the little bastard went and
did? Yup, the wanker went and registered them straight after I'd said
them...and then, stopped replying to my Emails...he'd only pretended to be
friendly so that he could find out any other related addresses and steal
them before I got a chance to register them :(
Little wanker...he'd better hope he doesn't meet me in the street some day
because I wouldn't hesitate to lodge my knee firmly in his "family
allowance" * for that...I mean, if you think cybersquatters are scum, then
what about this guy? Not only a cybersquatter but he pretended to be
interested in what I was doing and pretended to be all friendly, just so he
could steal those addresses...well, fudge him, let him keep them...
One thing that _definitely_ should be implemented by all the ISPs is that
registering a domain name _must_ be charged for...because there are some
companies that do free domain name reservation and that's just a
cybersquatter's dream...you just go on there and reserve hundreds of domain
names under different guises...and the ISPs that offer this go and register
the name for them...then, they sit back (the ISPs won't unregister it for a
long time because they, stupidly, think these people will actually pay for
them...I've seen some which have been sitting on the reservation list for
months) and see if there's any interest in the domain name...if there is,
they sell it on to someone else...costs them nothing, gains them money...it
really shouldn't be allowed to happen...
Hmmm...is "kill.all.cybersquatters.com" registered yet? I think I might
set-up a "hate page", especially for them...lol...no, I'm not that nasty but
they are such buggers that they even make someone like me, who's normally
very tolerant and anti-violence, feel like causing them some painful
physical harm...*deep breath, counts to ten*...calm down, Beth, calm
down...hehehe ;)
Beth :)
---
* Little UK-related joke...the "family allowance" is a social benefit you
can get from the social security people (actually, I think it's been renamed
now, which spoils the joke a bit)...but it's also a good description of what
that particular piece of male anatomy does...well, I thought it was funny
when I heard it, anyway :)
Alexei A. Frounze
news:9h6ndn$1k9$3...@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
A year ago, one student came from US to our Moscow lab to carry out some
experiments. He bought the book to spend some time reading it. There was the
"babuchka" word. I mean, it's quite amusing to read English translation of
the book... :)
Alexei A. Frounze
> anonymous wrote:
> > Beth wrote:
> > >Cool...thanks, guys...I think I see how it works now...but there's
> > >still a problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is
> > >bound to be gone already (in fact, I know "beth.com"'s gone...I
> > >checked..
> >
> > 'www.beth.co.uk' is available.
>
> Really? Damn...I was only looking for names...I don't have the cash
> available at the moment to actually register it and it'll probably end up
> gone by the time I get the funds together :(
Don't have cash? :) I thought ppl in UK are using cards and checks (sorry if
not spelled in British English :) too.
Scott Wood
>anonymous wrote:
>> 'www.beth.co.uk' is available.
>
>Really? Damn...I was only looking for names...I don't have the cash
>available at the moment to actually register it and it'll probably end up
>gone by the time I get the funds together :(
>
>Don't _anyone_ here dare touch it...well, not unless you want to give it to
>me as a gift, of course...hehehe ;)
It looks like Dawn Wilson dared to do just that about 3 years ago...
Perhaps "anonymous" forgot to leave off the "www." when checking, or relied
on DNS rather than WHOIS to check? It seems that beth.co.uk, while
registered, doesn't have any DNS entries (not even SOA).
I'd suggest sending her an e-mail asking about it, but the UK whois doesn't
seem to list contact information.
-Scott
Brad
"Scott Wood" <sc...@buserror.net> wrote in message
news:slrn9jengd...@odin.buserror.net...
beth.co.uk has dns entries. I found the following information about the
domain.
Domain Name: BETH.CO.UK
Registered For: Dawn Wilson
Domain Registered By: ZEBRA
Registered on 14-Jul-1998.
Domain servers listed in order:
DNS.ZEBRA.CO.UK 194.129.249.1
NS0.PIPEX.NET 158.43.128.8
NS1.PIPEX.NET 158.43.192.7
Regards,
Brad
Scott Wood
>beth.co.uk has dns entries. I found the following information about the
>domain.
<snip whois data>
Those aren't DNS entries; that's the WHOIS data which simply indicates that
the domain is registered, and tells what the authoritative nameservers for
that domain are. In this case, those nameservers aren't providing any data
for beth.co.uk. Try 'host -t SOA beth.co.uk'.
-Scott
anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-25 ale...@chat.ru said:
>Ah, babushka... Ever read "Crime and Punishment" by Fedor M.
>Dostoevsky? :)
Of course. =Everyone= who's ever attended school has read it! :)
mirabilos {Thorsten Glaser}
NAK
-mirabilos
Bill Marcum
mirabilos {Thorsten Glaser} wrote in message ...
still plugging his new novel on the talk shows - just kidding!)
Dominic Grosleau
one" (i'm not sure of book title) from Dostoevsky instead?
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Maxim S. Shatskih
> one" (i'm not sure of book title) from Dostoevsky instead?
"The Idiot".
Max
Dominic Grosleau
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Sppire
> Cool...thanks, guys...I think I see how it works now...but there's still a
> problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is bound to be gone
> surprising there, is it? I think only things like "john.com" or "jane.com"
> would be more likely to have disappeared ;)...so I have to come up with
> something that has an unusual last word and hasn't been
> registered
<snipped>
www.beth.co.uk is still available.
Sppire.
> Beth :)
>
>
Beth
Yeah...I did think it odd...because, though I don't remember if I did check,
I was certain I had a look and it was gone...that explains it...it's been
"reserved" but not used...why would someone called "Dawn" want "beth.co.uk",
anyway? Maybe I should reserve "jane.co.uk" or something and then a "Jane"
could reserve "sarah.co.uk" and then we can form a big chain until we get
back to "Dawn" again...a chain where everyone owns everyone else's name but
no-one's actually using them...very odd...lol :)
Anyway, that looks suspiciously like it's a cybersquat of some
description...just registering the name, which isn't her own name, but not
setting anything up at all...she's probably sitting on it because "Beth" (or
Elisabeth or Elizabeth or Elisa or Lisa or Liz or Lizzy or Betty or Betsy or
whatever...if you think of all these as being just one name, then the amount
of people who might be interested is very big...it would be hard to find a
better choice for cybersquatting...that's why I was convinced it'd be gone
;) is quite a common name (especially for the ".co.uk" domain :), so this
gives a good probability of there being someone out there with big money who
wants it badly...I know that if I was a cybersquatter, then I'd be
targetting the most obvious names like "John" or "Robert" or "Sarah" or
something so that I could be sure I'd get a good return on the "investment"
:)
Beth :)
Beth
> 'Lexy wrote:
> >Ah, babushka... Ever read "Crime and Punishment" by Fedor M.
> >Dostoevsky? :)
>
> Of course. =Everyone= who's ever attended school has read it! :)
Well, I attend school and I haven't read it...but I have heard the song...by
Kate Bush, wasn't it? hehehe ;) *
Beth :)
---
* Note: not meant seriously...
Beth
> Beth wrote:
> >Tim Robinson wrote:
> >> (Typical: a search for "atlas" gives mainly US atlases...)
> >
> >Which, actually, is the wrong name, isn't it? It's a map if it's of a
> >specific place but when it covers the entire world _then_ it's an atlas
> >(after all, the word comes from a bloke who held the world on his
shoulders,
> >not just a specific country with his little finger...hehehe ;)...
>
> According to dictionary.com, an atlas is "a book or bound collection of
> maps", with no reference to the maps being of the entire world. Would you
> call a sheet of paper that contains a single map of the world an atlas?
No, good point...I suppose I was being a bit too specific in how I phrased
it there...what I meant was actually something similar to what you're saying
but not put very well...I wouldn't think one or two road maps of Utah should
be classified as an "Atlas"...my point was more to do with what I was saying
about the legend of Atlas...he held the entire world on his shoulders and,
therefore, calling a few road maps an "atlas" seems a bit degrading of the
legend...I was sort of taking as read that: "entire world" would get
interpreted as "lots of maps"...but you're absolutely right, you can have
just one map of the entire world, so, yes, I phrased that about as badly as
it could have been phrased...
But you bring up another point there...can a website be classed as a "bound
collection"? Obviously not in the traditional sense but links are a form of
binding, aren't they? They "bind" one page to the next...hmmm...*thinking*
:)
> >But, then, that's quite typical too...if you must "borrow" _our_ language
> >for your own use, then, please would you be considerate enough to use it
> >properly...thank you :) *
>
> And from how many languages has English borrowed, and do you maintain the
> exact spelling, pronunciation, and meaning of each borrowed word? :-)
Hmmmm...did you see the "*" at the end of that (which is supposed to tell
you to look for a footnote on this point further down the post :)? Did you
go and look at that footnote? Here it is again for you:
"* only kidding...y'all says whatever ya like, sugahs...hehehe ;)"
(which, btw, is a terrible attempt at a Deep Southern accent, I'm aware...I
never was any good at impresenating accents and, apparently, I'm just as bad
when it's written down as I am when I try to speak it aloud...hehehe ;)
i.e. I was joking and didn't mean a single word of it..."English" is the
word we use to indicate the language's origin, not its ownership...I realise
this...it was just a silly joke...you know, pretending to be some stuck up
toffee-nosed Brit...I was actually more taking the mickey out of some
British people's attitudes than the Americans there...
Beth :)
Beth
Awww...thanks, Maxim...but it's ok...I think he only meant in fun...and,
anyway, this little "girly" can give as good as she gets, when
appropriate...as anonymous knows well...he's beyond "youthful inexperience"
and should know by now that "Hell hath no fury, as a woman who's really
pissed off" ;)
Beth :)
Beth
> Beth wrote:
> >anonymous wrote:
> >
> >
> >Now, "crap game"...would that mean:
> >1. a game that is crap? e.g boring...
> >2. a "game" involving crap? e.g some disgusting (or kinky, for
> >3. a game called "Crap"?
> >
> >And why would you either want to play a game that is crap, play a
> >game with your crap or entitle a game "crap", anyway?
> >
> >You "New Worlders" are a funny bunch at times, ain't ya? hehehe :)
>
> Heh! Nah...it's merely your youthful inexperience showing, Liz. :)
>
> 'Craps' is a gambling game, played with a pair of dice. The
> finest casinos everywhere in the world have 'crap tables'...
> on which the game is played.
I know; I was just joking...it's just too tempting to resist making a joke
with terms like "crap game", "crap tables", etc...I may have "youthful
inexperience", untitled, but I make up for it with a charming wit :)
I was using the ambiguity present in the English language to make a little
amusing joke...often, a compound noun can be interpreted in a multitude of
ways...for instance, I managed to find three different but quite valid ways
of interpreting "crap game" and that's only two words...
And things like, say: "The Disabled Computer Society" could be read in more
than one way...most people would work out that it probably means: "A society
of disabled people interested in computers" but other possible
interpretations are: "A society of disabled computers", "Disabled people
interested in a society comprised of computers", etc., etc...it all depends
on where put the emphasis...
Have you ever seen Monty Python's films? They have something different but
similar in one of their films too:
"People's Front of Judea" / "Judean People's Front" / "the Front of the
Judean People" / "People of the Judean Front" / etc., etc...compound nouns
are cool and useful things but they are also frought with potential to be
misunderstood...hehehe :)
[ snip description of game ]
> So you see, Elisabeth, you still have much to learn as you
> travel the road of life that lies stretched out before you.
> Frankly, I'm a little envious of all those new experiences
> that are awaiting your discovery. But only a =little!= ;)
Hehehe...yes, I did hear someone refer to some "birds and bees"
thing...what's that? Would you care to teach me what's involved? lol ;)
Beth :)
Beth
> Beth wrote:
> > anonymous wrote:
> > > Beth wrote:
> > > >Cool...thanks, guys...I think I see how it works now...but there's
> > > >still a problem here, then...because "beth.com" or "asm.com" is
> > > >bound to be gone already (in fact, I know "beth.com"'s gone...I
> > > >checked..
> > >
> > > 'www.beth.co.uk' is available.
> >
> > Really? Damn...I was only looking for names...I don't have the cash
> > available at the moment to actually register it and it'll probably end
up
> > gone by the time I get the funds together :(
>
> Don't have cash? :) I thought ppl in UK are using cards and checks (sorry
if
> not spelled in British English :) too.
Well, cheques still require you to have money in the bank...so, that's no
use...and as for a credit card, I don't have one...well, it's too
"dangerous" for someone like me to have one, so I deny myself the pleasure
to avoid trouble...if you don't understand what I mean by "dangerous" then
just ask someone who's married about lending their wives the credit card to
do some shopping...hehehehe...I'm much the same...
If I go shopping, I end up spending all my money because I just can't walk
past a pair of shoes or whatever without wanting to buy them...trust me,
it's probably a good thing I don't have much money because, if I did, I'd
have a collection of shoes that even Emelda Marcos would be envious
of...hehehe ;)
Beth :)
Scott Wood
>but not put very well...I wouldn't think one or two road maps of Utah should
>be classified as an "Atlas"...
Maybe not, but it happens often enough.
>my point was more to do with what I was saying about the legend of
>Atlas...he held the entire world on his shoulders and, therefore, calling a
>few road maps an "atlas" seems a bit degrading of the legend...
I suppose, though the origins of a word seldom constrain the meaning it
takes later on... And we'd have to find something new to call collections of
road maps, unless we were to overload the term "map" for that purpose.
>Hmmmm...did you see the "*" at the end of that (which is supposed to tell
>you to look for a footnote on this point further down the post :)? Did you
>go and look at that footnote? Here it is again for you:
Yes, I saw it; I was also being less than serious (hence the smiley).
>i.e. I was joking and didn't mean a single word of it..."English" is the
>word we use to indicate the language's origin, not its ownership...I realise
>this...it was just a silly joke...you know, pretending to be some stuck up
>toffee-nosed Brit...I was actually more taking the mickey out of some
>British people's attitudes than the Americans there...
And likewise, my response was to the hypothetical stuck up Brit, not to you
personally. In any case, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Posting
joking comments tends to result in joking replies... :-)
-Scott
Scott Wood
>Anyway, that looks suspiciously like it's a cybersquat of some
>description...
Possibly, but it's not going to be a very effective cybersquatting if
there's no way to find out from whom to buy the domain... Most
cybersquatters at least put up a website announcing that the domain is for
sale.
-Scott
anon...@bogus_address.con
On 2001-06-26 BethS...@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com said:
>...I may have "youthful inexperience", untitled, but I make up
>for it with a charming wit :)
You most certainly do! =I'm= charmed. ;)
>Have you ever seen Monty Python's films?
Yes. Never cared for Monty Python stuff. I find it -- like
most mainstream British humour -- to be usually manic, silly,
adolescent, and just generally tiresome.
But I =did= like Benny Hill. Although his humour was also
manic and silly, it had a creativity coupled with an under-
lying sociological 'bite' that often put it on a higher
plane than Monty Python, et al.
Hill's tableau entitled 'Woodstick' (a three-day peace, love
and music festival for =geriatrics!=) effectively punctured
the cosmic balloon of that whole '60s hippie/flower-child
ethos.
And his portrayal of a bumbling, inept Australian detective
'Digger Blue' is a classic! :)
I enjoyed much of the Brit TV series 'Lovejoy'...although I
suppose that's more in the genre of light entertainment,
rather than 'humour.'
And let's not forget, it was Britain that originally gave us
'Max Headroom.' Again, not 'humour,' but a marvelously creative
and insightful social cyber-commentary. It's amazing how well
'Max' holds up even after 16 years. If you've never seen it,
SEE it!
Just recently saw the 1987 remake of 'D.O.A.' that was done by
Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel (the directors of 'Max Head-
room'). The original story, of course, has more holes than
Swiss cheese. But the Morton/Jankel on-screen execution of
this thrice-told tale was excellent.
>Hehehe...yes, I did hear someone refer to some "birds and bees"
>thing...what's that? Would you care to teach me what's involved?
>lol ;)
Heh! Somehow, Beth, I don't think you'll be needing any help
from =me= in that particular arena. :) Besides, the logistics
would be rather formidable. Nice of you to offer, though. ;)
PsychoWarden
guess no one here has heard of cow chip throwing.... really.....
Beth
Well, Maxim, there's no need to insult the poor boy because he doesn't now
the name of the book...
Oh, wait! I see now...you _were_ talking about the name of the book...lol ;)
Beth :)
[ PS If you haven't worked it out already, this is not a serious post and I
knew he was talking about the book from the start...just it was yet another
perfect set-up for one of my crappy jokes and I couldn't resist a little
humour there :) ]
Beth
> Beth wrote:
> >you to look for a footnote on this point further down the post :)? Did
you
> >go and look at that footnote? Here it is again for you:
>
> Yes, I saw it; I was also being less than serious (hence the smiley).
Oh...
> >i.e. I was joking and didn't mean a single word of it..."English" is the
> >word we use to indicate the language's origin, not its ownership...I
realise
> >this...it was just a silly joke...you know, pretending to be some stuck
up
> >toffee-nosed Brit...I was actually more taking the mickey out of some
> >British people's attitudes than the Americans there...
>
> And likewise, my response was to the hypothetical stuck up Brit, not to
you
> personally. In any case, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Posting
> joking comments tends to result in joking replies... :-)
Oh...right...sorry, I get so many responses that fail to see when I'm joking
that anything that isn't obviously a joke reply confuses me...you did your
little bit of role-playing too well there and I thought you were
serious...lol :)
Beth :)
Dominic Grosleau
but thats what makes you so charming ;)
"Beth" <BethS...@hotmail.NOSPICEDHAM.com> wrote in message
news:YwT_6.30297$QM1.4...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
Maxim S. Shatskih
> anyway, this little "girly"
I really envision you as a little girly :-) Little but very pretty, a
valuable member of the community :-)
I think that biologically we are nearly the same age - you're late 20ies,
yes?
Max
Bill Marcum
Beth wrote in message ...
>I know; I was just joking...it's just too tempting to resist making a joke
>with terms like "crap game", "crap tables", etc...I may have "youthful
>inexperience", untitled, but I make up for it with a charming wit :)
>
Vegas for saying "shit", in a town where the big game is called "crap".
Beth
> Beth wrote:
> >Have you ever seen Monty Python's films?
>
> Yes. Never cared for Monty Python stuff. I find it -- like
> most mainstream British humour -- to be usually manic, silly,
> adolescent, and just generally tiresome.
So, you don't like surrealism...fair enough...then don't bother with Vic
Reeves and Bob Mortimer because they take surrealism to its total extreme
(there is, basically, absolutely no logic to their shows from start to
finish :)...so far, in fact, that they often risk going too far and not
quite hitting the mark but when they do get it right, do they get it
right...and, yes, it's _extremely_ adolescent and infantile but, really, the
primitive slapstick of hitting each other in the face with over-sized frying
pans has me in absolute stitches (even better when the sound effects aren't
quite in synch :)...
But the classics have got to be the 'MasterChef' parody...the "Roswell Alien
Autopsy footage" (where some celebrity contestants had to spot the five
clues that the autopsy footage they'd recreated (badly) was faked...put it
this way, one of the "clues" was that Charles Bronson was drinking a pint of
beer in the background!?!! :)...and the fantastic "I wish I was middle
class" musical number they opened up one of the shows with, where the lyrics
are hilarious and they dance with a dog (no, I have no idea why they opened
up with a musical number...apparently, they just felt like it :)...
It's very hit and miss stuff but when it hits, it'll have most people
wetting themselves with laughter...that's how surrealism works...not to
everyone's taste...
> But I =did= like Benny Hill. Although his humour was also
> manic and silly, it had a creativity coupled with an under-
> lying sociological 'bite' that often put it on a higher
> plane than Monty Python, et al.
Oh, come on...you just like Benny Hill because he always had young girls
running around in their underwear or wearing nurses'
uniforms..."sociological bite", my foot...hehehe ;)
[ Only kidding...I know what you mean...whereas Monty Python is out and out
surrealism, Benny Hill was about juxtaposing serious things with the
standard "one-liner" style of joke spiced up with the odd bit of
surrealism...and he threw in some young girls in their underwear for good
measure...e.g. he mixed up loads of different styles of humour all
together..."all-round entertainment" to use the cliché :) ]
Hmmm...have you seen "One Foot in the Grave"? That might be your style...it
balances deep tradegy with "comedy of errors"-type humour...a black comedy
as the title might suggest...about a grumpy old man who gets made redundent
from his security guard job by a black box and follows his constant moaning
at the entire world and how all these ludicrous stuff happens to him (but
you can't help but feel how realistic even the most stupid stuff that
happens is...it plays on life's coincidences and it's constant sense of
irony :)...
From that description, it doesn't even sound like a comedy, does it? But
that's the cleverness of this show...it takes it's comedy from the absurdity
of life itself...it's one of the only shows that managed to make me
sincerely laugh and cry at the same time (it was this episode about a blind
woman and she dies, which was really sad, but the comedy of errors that ends
up with a hundred plastic dinosaurs being delivered to her house is really
funny...it's hard to describe because the comedy is not really in the
events...it's in how they unfold and how the characters react and things
like that...and as any good comedian will tell you, juxtaposition is your
best friend...if you place tradegy next to comedy, they are both enhanced by
the other...although, it's a really, really hard mix to get right because if
you do it wrongly, they end up cancelling each other out :)...
To be fair, not all British humour is about being surreal and
stupid...that's just the stuff they think is commercial and can sell to
other countries...which is a shame because there is some very good stuff
like "One Foot in the Grave", "Only Fools and Horses" (about an illegal
market trader in Peckham...sheer genius at times :), "Open All Hours" (about
a corner shop :), etc., etc...which are brilliant pieces of comedy but don't
seem to be exported to other countries or known because they aren't
"obvious" comedy like someone slapping someone else in the face with a large
fish a la Python...
Actually, every day comedy and jokes that actual British people make to each
other are normally of the "subtle wit" variety and that's _really_ British
humour...we like a bit of surrealism, to be sure, but anything too obviously
meant to be a joke and that steals away some of the humour...
It's the English attitude of the "stiff upper lip" creeping in, I
suppose...rolling about on the floor laughing about a penguin exploding is
"uncooth" and "not very English"...a gentle witty comment that puts a wry
grin on someone's face is the order of the day...like I say, the Python
stuff is more about what will sell to other people overseas...and, no
offence, but the people in charge of programme scheduling in America seem to
have a low opinion of their audience, putting on yet another bland sitcom or
cop show*...hehehe ;)
---
* Genius like Frazier, Futurama and the Simpsons expected...I remember
watching this toffee-nosed arty show called "Late Review", where they review
things like political novels and operas and art exhibitions and really,
really toffee-nosed "arty" things like that...and they had some Lord
whatever as one of the guest reviewers and his speciality was ballet and
opera, talking with such an amazingly posh aristocratic accent, it was hard
to believe it was his natural voice and not put on...trust me, you'll be
hard pressed to find something so ponsy and toffee-nosed and "arty"...
Anyway, they then moved onto talking about TV shows and the presenter asked
this poncy Lord person about what he thought and his praise from the
Simpsons was unparallelled...he said it had to be one of the best programmes
ever made and, quite rightly, pointed out how it seamlessly combines subtle
(and blatant :) social comment and poking fun at quite high-brow things at
times and also resorting to blatant cheap humour like Barney burping all the
time...a true example of "many levels" at its finest...the smallest kids can
laugh at the yellow people pulling silly faces and making stupid
noises...the most refined adults (like our Lord would have us believe of him
:) can laugh at the subtlety of Chief Wigam exiling the immigrants in
"huddled masses" (i.e. using the same terminology as the original welcoming
of immigrants into the country :), as a passing social comment, that makes a
very serious point...
And, yes, it's American and yet it has to be one of the best masterpieces of
_irony_ around (which some people would have us believe Americans don't
understand ;)...proof, if ever it was needed, that Americans aren't immune
to irony and subtle wit in the slightest or need some canned laughter to
tell them when things are funny...but that your average bland sitcom or cop
show (you know what I mean...the other 99% of your TV :) is designed with a
very, very low and almost offensive opinion of its audience, isn't it? They
don't even trust you to know when something's funny and _tell_ you when to
laugh with some canned laughter...or have the main character repeat a joke
again to explain what's funny about it (first rule of comedy: _never_
explain a joke...if people don't get it, then people don't get it...move
onto your next joke...forcing a failed joke never works and makes you look
stupid :)...
So, when it gets over to other countries like the UK, then, sorry, it just
makes everyone think that Americans are just blatantly stupid (if you ever
wondered why the stereotype is like that then that's basically the reason
why...the things they export out of your country is mostly cheap, low
quality, stupid, bland and unfunny so it creates the impression that
everyone in America is like the stereotypical stupid hilly-billy redneck and
doesn't understand anything at all...it's certainly not true, of course, but
that's the impression these crappy sitcoms and endless cop shows convey...a
lot like your comment that all British humour is about blatant immature
surreal slapstick, which actually couldn't be further from the
truth...subtle irony and gentle wit is more the flavour of the day
here...Python was a self-confessed experiment that even they thought might
not work but were pleased when it seems to have paid off :)...the Simpsons
rights that wrong against the American people and then some more because
it's on par (and exceeds :) the best stuff around...and I'm not just talking
about comedy here, I mean it's on par (and exceeds :) intelligence-wise with
the most gritty dramas and such...
---
> Hill's tableau entitled 'Woodstick' (a three-day peace, love
> and music festival for =geriatrics!=) effectively punctured
> the cosmic balloon of that whole '60s hippie/flower-child
> ethos.
:)
> And his portrayal of a bumbling, inept Australian detective
> 'Digger Blue' is a classic! :)
Aaah...the old bizarre mix of respectfully taking the piss out of the
Aussies...the relationship between Brits and Aussies is weird like
that...constantly taking the piss out of each other and such...but all meant
with the greatest of respect :)
> I enjoyed much of the Brit TV series 'Lovejoy'...although I
> suppose that's more in the genre of light entertainment,
> rather than 'humour.'
You get "Lovejoy" over there? Oh brother...yes, _certainly_ light
entertainment...
> And let's not forget, it was Britain that originally gave us
> 'Max Headroom.' Again, not 'humour,' but a marvelously creative
> and insightful social cyber-commentary. It's amazing how well
> 'Max' holds up even after 16 years. If you've never seen it,
> SEE it!
Aaaah...see? The odd bit of what British humour is about does get through to
you...yes, the gentle insanity of good ol' "Max" is the _real_ blend of
surrealism and subtle wit I'm talking about...
> Just recently saw the 1987 remake of 'D.O.A.' that was done by
> Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel (the directors of 'Max Head-
> room'). The original story, of course, has more holes than
> Swiss cheese. But the Morton/Jankel on-screen execution of
> this thrice-told tale was excellent.
Unfortunately, I don't know what you're talking about here...but the
recommendation is noted mentally for the possible opportunity to find out
what you're talking about :)
> >Hehehe...yes, I did hear someone refer to some "birds and bees"
> >thing...what's that? Would you care to teach me what's involved?
> >lol ;)
>
> Heh! Somehow, Beth, I don't think you'll be needing any help
> from =me= in that particular arena. :) Besides, the logistics
> would be rather formidable. Nice of you to offer, though. ;)
Hey! What's that first sentence suppose to be implying? Makes me sound like
an oft-used peripheral or something...how charming and complimentary, I
think not...lol :)
And what were you thinking? I was merely asking you to guide me to find some
textbooks that deal with the biological aspects of the matter...whatever
were you thinking? hehehe ;)
Beth :)
Beth
> Beth wrote:
> >Anyway, that looks suspiciously like it's a cybersquat of some
> >description...
>
> Possibly, but it's not going to be a very effective cybersquatting if
> there's no way to find out from whom to buy the domain... Most
> cybersquatters at least put up a website announcing that the domain is for
> sale.
Yeah...it would seem like a good idea to do that...but then we are talking
about people who think that "reverse effective theft" (a very bizarre
idea...to steal something _before_ someone owns it, in order to sell it to
them in the first place (?!?!!)...lol :) and blatant blackmail are "good
ideas"...it's just "E-kidnapping"...lol :)
Or maybe they're thinking that they can sell it with "antique" value
later...that if they hold onto it longer, they can ask for more money...nah,
that doesn't make much sense either, does it?
Ok, then Dawn has registered beth.co.uk in order to give it to a friend as a
present, maybe? In fact, maybe she's just given birth to a daughter who's
name is Beth and is "keeping it warm" until she's older? Maybe Dawn's middle
name is Beth and she's one of those people who gets called by her middle
name by friends and family but uses her actual first name for "official"
stuff (got a friend who does that :)? Maybe she has an immense hatred of the
name Beth and has reserved the domain in order to stop people like me
creating any pages, as part of some sort of campaign to stop anyone called
Beth doing anything useful?
Anyway, hence the "...of some description" qualifier in what I said...it
doesn't have to necessarily be money-motivated...but it's a delibrate
attempt to deprive others of domain names without making any practical use
of the domains themselves...that's the more general definition of
cybersquatting that I prefer :)
Beth :)
Beth
> > Awww...thanks, Maxim...but it's ok...I think he only meant in fun...and,
> > anyway, this little "girly"
>
> I really envision you as a little girly :-)
* bats eyelids innocently * Moi? hehehe ;)
> Little but very pretty, a valuable member of the community :-)
"Little but very pretty, a valuable member of the community" as in: "Playboy
has many interesting and valuable articles about sports cars" or "Lara
Croft's ample assets are a bold feminist statement (and not merely a rouse
to sell the game to millions of young boys who have more hormones and money
than sense ;)", etc., etc...
That is, "valuable" in a "genetic wallpaper" sense...hehehe :)
> I think that biologically we are nearly the same age - you're late 20ies,
> yes?
Yes, biologically...but, mentally? Well, there we differ greatly...I'm still
about 8 mentally...and about 12 emotionally...oh, and as you can tell from
the crap jokes, the sense of hunour of a 5 year old...hehehe :)
Beth :)
Maxim S. Shatskih
20ies,
> > yes?
>
> Yes, biologically...but, mentally? Well, there we differ greatly...I'm
still
> about 8 mentally...and about 12 emotionally...oh, and as you can tell from
> the crap jokes, the sense of hunour of a 5 year old...hehehe :)
Anyway pleasure to talk with you, Emotionale :-)
Max
Electric Ninja
"Playboy
> has many interesting and valuable articles about sports cars"
Apparently you haven't read many Playboy articles if at all.
Dominic Grosleau
.... that was kinda weird cuz she was also keepin every poster she could get
her hands on !!
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Electric Ninja
in general, I do find Playboy to be a well-rounded men's magazine.
"Dominic Grosleau" <dom...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Beth
Correct; I, in fact, only know they run articles about sports cars when I
was listening in to a couple of guys bitching about it in a pub a while
back..."There's too many of these bloody articles about Ferraris in
here...if I wanted that, I'd buy a car magazine"...and, though I wouldn't
want to be supportive of female exploitation, I have to admit it sounds like
he has a point, if you ask me...I mean, if I bought a magazine about
computers or something, then I would certainly be confused if it was full of
articles about dieting or some celebrity marriage or whatever...what is the
idea with the cars? So that guys can pretend they're buying this stuff
because of the car articles? Oh please...that's so not believable..."I'm
buying it for my friend" has more credibility as an excuse...hehehe :)
Beth :)
Electric Ninja
> because of the car articles? Oh please...that's so not believable..."I'm
> buying it for my friend" has more credibility as an excuse...hehehe :)
Two months back, there was an interesting article, "Why Reparations For
Slavery Are Racist", not to mention the long interview with Chris Matthews.
The content is far more open-minded and opinionated than any of the rehashed
politically correct crap you get in Newsweek or the like. Somewhere along
the way Playboy took a weird turn but it started out as a tactful talent
hour on black and white television.
Dominic Grosleau
magazine to a friend and getting it back with some "sticky special" all over
;P
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Electric Ninja
worrying about....
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Beth
Oh well, I'll have to take your word on that...not being a great
pornographic magazine expert myself...lol :)
Beth :)