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Re: (BB) Do YOU have a fast enough reaction time to hit a 90mph fastball?

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gemjack

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Mar 16, 2012, 10:30:08 AM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:42:27 -0500, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/reactiontime.html
>
>"Fastball Reaction Time"
>
>
>Click on the "play ball" button, then move your cursor over the part of the
>screen that shows the baseball field. As soon as you see "swing batter,"
>click on your screen as fast as you can.
>
>Fastball Reaction Time imitates a 90-mph fastball thrown by a major league
>pitcher. While this exhibit doesn't test if you could actually hit a
>fastball, it does test whether you could react in time to hit one. When you
>see the "swing batter" screen, a signal in your eye sends a message to a
>part of your brain that controls your muscles. Your brain must then send a
>signal to your muscles, telling them to click. Although it takes some time
>for the signal to travel along each nerve, the major delay in your reaction
>time occurs at the junction points in between the different nerves involved,
>and between the nerves and the muscles in your fingers.
>
>
>---
>
>I can get a 'hit', with my fastest reaction time of 0.20 sec., 1/5th of a
>second.
>Anything slower than 0.25 sec. (1/4th sec.) is probably going to be a
>swing-and-a-miss.
>
>Batter-up!

.18, but got thrown out at first :-(

-gj
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Bill Schenley

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Mar 16, 2012, 10:39:49 AM3/16/12
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> > I can get a 'hit', with my fastest reaction time
> > of 0.20 sec., 1/5th of a second.
> > Anything slower than 0.25 sec. (1/4th sec.)
> > is probably going to be a swing-and-a-miss.
>
> > Batter-up!
>
> .18, but got thrown out at first :-(

I did it six times:

.19 - base hit.
.18 - home run.
.17 - home run.
.02 - base hit.
.03 - swing and miss.
.18 - home run.

Trust No One®

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"Bill Schenley" <b.sch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> .02 - base hit.
> .03 - swing and miss.

No way!

--
Peter <X-Files fan>



Bill Schenley

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Mar 16, 2012, 12:49:22 PM3/16/12
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> > .02 - base hit.
> > .03 - swing and miss.
>
> No way!

LOL ... After the first few I went with anticipation swings, but those
were the times on the screen. Since then, I've also got a "Hey,
Sparky, I think you're jumping the gun" message and :

.19 - base hit.
.18 - home run.
.19 - base hit.
.15 - home run.
.19 - base hit.
.18 - home run.
.18 - home run.
.08 - home run.
.02 - base hit.
.18 - home run
.15 - home run.
.18 - home run
.02 - base hit
.17 - home run.
.18 - home run.

This game is more about cadence than anything else ... The only swing
and miss I had was at .03.

Charlene

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Mar 16, 2012, 1:07:38 PM3/16/12
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Six times:

.22 - base hit
.22 - base hit
.22 - base hit
.22 - base hit and wtf
.14 - home run
.22 - base hit

I seem to like the number 22 today for unknown reasons.

wd47

J.D. Baldwin

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Mar 16, 2012, 1:42:47 PM3/16/12
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In the previous article, News <m...@sb.net> wrote:
> "Fastball Reaction Time"

They used to have an 85 mph machine at the local amusement park.
Unlike the 50/60/70 mph machines, you couldn't just step in, feed it
tokens and go to town, you had to sign a release and pay by the half-
hour. It was awesome. At my peak, I could connect with about half
the balls and send maybe half of those for a ride. If there had been
players out there fielding, I estimated I was hitting about .125. Not
horrible.
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_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
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X ` Man

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When I was a little kid, 10 or 11, my dad had a friend who was a major
league ballplayer and because of that, I got onto the field during a
pre-game warm up and also into the bullpen, where a starting pitcher
threw a few my way. He actually sort of lobbed them and I did get a
piece of one and then, at the end, I asked him for a fast ball and he
granted my wish. I never even saw the ball. The pitcher was named Leo
Kieley or Kiely.
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Brad Ferguson

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In article <9fSdnftPjuy2Bf7S...@earthlink.com>, X ` Man
<dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote:

> When I was a little kid, 10 or 11, my dad had a friend who was a major
> league ballplayer and because of that, I got onto the field during a
> pre-game warm up and also into the bullpen, where a starting pitcher
> threw a few my way. He actually sort of lobbed them and I did get a
> piece of one and then, at the end, I asked him for a fast ball and he
> granted my wish. I never even saw the ball. The pitcher was named Leo
> Kieley or Kiely.


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Kiely>
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X ` Man

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Mar 16, 2012, 4:40:04 PM3/16/12
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That's the guy. He was very gracious to a young baseball fan...me.


X ` Man

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On 3/16/12 4:04 PM, News wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "X ` Man" <dump-on-co...@anywhere-you-can.com> wrote in message
> news:9fSdnftPjuy2Bf7S...@earthlink.com...
> Is this your lefty pitcher:
>
> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kielyle01.shtml
> Leo Patrick Kiely, 54 (b. Nov. 30, 1929 - Jan. 18, 1984)
> Hoboken, NJ Montclair, NJ
>
> He was awfully young.
>
> First game: June 27, 1951 (Bos. Red Sox, 1951, 1954-56, 1958-59)
> Last game: June 20, 1960 (K.C. Athletics, 1960)
>
> 26-27 3.37 ERA but he had a sparkling 126 ERA+, but he gave up a
> whopping 1.436 WHIP. [9.7 H/9, 3.3 BB/9, 0.7 HR/9, 3.6 SO/9]
>
> He also lost the same 2 years to Military Service as did Willie Mays in
> '52-'53.
>
> You must be way up in your 60s or early 70s, depending on what years
> (1951-60) he pitched to you when you were 10/11!




I'm 67.

Bill Schenley

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Mar 16, 2012, 4:44:15 PM3/16/12
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> You can't get a HR in that game, Bill, you liar! Only contact for a hit.
> I started with 0.30 (out) and then improved to 0.27 (out) then 0.25
> (hit!), then 0.22 (hit), and then 0.20 (hit).

Of course you can get a home run. I've hit 16 so far (my last was at .
05). Okay, let me rephrase that ... *I* can get a home run ...
Charlene hit a home run ... Next time, try hitting the button with
your purse ...

.18 - home run
.19 - base hit
.18 - home run
.17 - home run
.18 - home run

Now at twenty.

Cadence, Roy. Cadence.

Bays Ballz

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News <m...@sb.net> wrote:

> You can't get a HR in that game, Bill, you liar! Only contact for a hit.

Idiot.

Tommy Joe

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Mar 16, 2012, 7:22:47 PM3/16/12
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On Mar 16, 7:42 am, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:



> I can get a 'hit', with my fastest reaction time of 0.20 sec., 1/5th of a
> second.
> Anything slower than 0.25 sec. (1/4th sec.) is probably going to be a
> swing-and-a-miss.



My method in real life is to have a ball pitched to me at 40
miles an hour every day for a week, then 41 miles an hour the next
week, then 42 MPH and so forth until I'm up to 90 miles an hour and
used to it. My theory is that a reasonably coordinated individual
(that's me), can adapt to speed if done over a period of time.

My second thought on your post regards the age-old statement that
hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. I have
always thought that statement a bit inflexible and actually a bit
stupid. But people buy it. They hear it and repeat it and before you
know it, it's accepted as truth.

If a baseball is so hard to hit (and I'm not saying it isn't
difficult), then why do they bring in all sorts of pitching relievers
to get out of the game with a win? It's just as hard to strike out a
good batter as it is for a good batter to hit a ball. Anyway, I'm not
going to argue the degree of difficulty in hitting a baseball - only
saying that the age-old statement that hitting a baseball is the
hardest thing to do in sports is one that annoys me due to the way
it's just accepted without an argument. I say it's just as hard to
pitch to a good batter as it is for the good batter to hit the good
pitcher's pitches. So there. Sorry, can't take the test because I
don't have video access on this computer. But if I did, you can bet
I'd hit the ball (even if I have to cheat to do it).

TJ

~M~

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Mar 16, 2012, 8:46:08 PM3/16/12
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>I can get a 'hit', with my fastest reaction time of 0.20 sec., 1/5th of a
>second.
>Anything slower than 0.25 sec. (1/4th sec.) is probably going to be a
>swing-and-a-miss.

>Batter-up!

I got a few hits, maybe 1 out of 4. But there's no way I could get out of
the way if the pitcher decided to throw one at my head...


--
“Twenty-four hours in a day, twenty-four beers in a case. Coincidence?”
- Stephen Wright

~M~

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> You can't get a HR in that game, Bill, you liar! Only contact for a hit.
> I started with 0.30 (out) and then improved to 0.27 (out) then 0.25
> (hit!), then 0.22 (hit), and then 0.20 (hit).

I got a HR.

BobF

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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:46:06 -0500, "News" <m...@sb.net> shouted from the
highest rooftop:

>
> You can't get a HR in that game, Bill, you liar! Only contact for a hit.
> I started with 0.30 (out) and then improved to 0.27 (out) then 0.25
>(hit!), then 0.22 (hit), and then 0.20 (hit).

You mean YOU can't get a HR in that game. I got three in a row before
I shut it down. That makes YOU an idiot for calling Bill a liar. But
what's new about that?

********

A Roy joke:

"ROTFLMAO!
What if he doesn't have a preference for sheep? <g>
How about ewe (you)?"

- From "The Sayings of Roy"


> That's actually a pretty good quote. Did our Roy say that or was it
> some other group's Roy?

"I never said it, Earl.
Bob is our ng's greatest liar, and now has passed the former #1
as the greatest abuser.
What a shame. He once was a nice guy, until the bats [flying
animals] got into his belfry this past year,"

- From "The Sayings of Roy"

David Carson

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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:42:27 -0500, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:

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>
>http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/reactiontime.html
>
>"Fastball Reaction Time"

I posted my simulated results along with what I imagine the results would
be for me in real life.

1st pitch
simulation - swing and a miss
in real life - dove away from the plate to save my life

2nd pitch
simulation - swing and a miss
in real life - flinched, sheilded my head with my arm

3rd pitch
simulation - swing and a miss
in real life - leaned back and watched the pitch go by

4th pitch
simulation - base hit
in real life - started to swing as the umpire called "strike"

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Bill Schenley

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> > .02 - base hit.
> > .03 - swing and miss.
>
> No way!

Argh ...Look ... I'm not a numbers person ... It was 0.2 and 0.3.



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Trust No One®

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"Bill Schenley" <b.sch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If your reaction time really was 0.02 and 0.03 then you've seriously missed
your calling in the Major Leagues!

:)

--
Peter <X-Files fan>


Tommy Joe

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On Mar 17, 12:03 am, "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote:


>       That is true for many activities including hitting a baseball, but
> there is usually a limit for anyone to hit the fastest speeds, depending
> upon a person's natural ability and hard, frequent practice to get better.
>
>        1. You have a round bat.
>        2. You have a round ball.
>        3. You try to hit #2 with #1 *squarely in its center* when thrown anywhere regularly from 85-98+ mph by a pitcher who can throw: curves, sliders, knuckleballs, and of course, fastballs that can rise or sink, and at the
> point of release is usually only 57 feet away from you (coming off the mound
> at 60' 6") and can reach you in less than 0.50 sec., and you have to decide
> to swing or not in less than 0.30 sec. after release.
>
> That should explain the case for hard difficult it is for hitting, succinctly.
> I'm not saying being a goalie in hockey is a piece of cake, because
> it isn't with a hard piece of cold rubber flying regularly at 80+ mph
> potentially knocking you out or breaking a bone!
>
> Because the starting pitcher wears down over the innings and throws
> softer or less effectively, and batters' timing on his pitches get better.

>  "Hitting is timing. A pitcher's job is to upset that timing."

>  TJ says, "it's just as hard to to strike out a good batter as it is for a good hitter to hit a ball."
> Not necessarily so, depending upon the specific batter-pitcher duel!


Well of course to that last statement. I'm not going to argue.
I know that hitting a 90 mile an hour pitch is difficult. If it was
easy there wouldn't be a game. I'm just saying I have heard the
statement made many times over the years that hitting a baseball is
the hardest thing to do in sports - and I think such absolute
statements are ridiculous, and it's incredible the number of people
who believe everything they hear. Sure, it's hard to hit a 90 mile an
hour fast ball, but it's just as hard to stand up for more than 10
seconds against a dominant boxer in your weight class, or to throw
pitches to a polished and accomplished batter. I just don't like
those blanket statements, they're like the arguments over which
athlete is toughest or deserves more praise, and before you know it
everyone's piping up with their choices - usually running the gamut
from boxer or sprinter or MMA fighter or bicyclist or marathoner all
the way down the list, usually winding up with somebody mentioning a
sport people would be less apt to mention - which makes the mentioner
stand out as someone really unique and cool - mentioning a sport like
horse racing for example, and saying the jockey is the toughest and
most durable athlete of all. I hung out in a poolroom for years where
these debates raged endlessly. I've heard it all, and the truth is,
at it's highest level all competitions are equally demanding. To be a
champion at tiddlywinks or scrabble, and to go through tons of
competitors to take the title, is an accomplishment as great and as
grueling as any anyone can mention. And lastly, I am a natural
athlete who hated school and athletes and also scholars when I was
growing up, which is why I quit school at 15. But I played baseball
and could hit pretty good. I would be terrified to stand at the plate
for a 90 mph fastball. But I still believe that gradual increase of
speed over time would make it easier for natural athletes such as
myself to do well at something I've never done before, like face a 90
mph pitcher.

TJ

Bermuda999

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On Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:03:01 AM UTC-4, News wrote:

> ...a hard piece of cold rubber...

Just wanted to read that again. Al must be proud

Bermuda999

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On Friday, March 16, 2012 4:04:21 PM UTC-4, News wrote:

> Is this your lefty pitcher:
>
> http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kielyle01.shtml
> Leo Patrick Kiely, 54 (b. Nov. 30, 1929 - Jan. 18, 1984)
> Hoboken, NJ Montclair, NJ
>
> He was awfully young.
>
> First game: June 27, 1951 (Bos. Red Sox, 1951, 1954-56, 1958-59)
> Last game: June 20, 1960 (K.C. Athletics, 1960)
>
> 26-27 3.37 ERA but he had a sparkling 126 ERA+, but he gave up a
> whopping 1.436 WHIP. [9.7 H/9, 3.3 BB/9, 0.7 HR/9, 3.6 SO/9]
>
> He also lost the same 2 years to Military Service as did Willie Mays in
> '52-'53.

He played the 1953 season in Japan for the Mainichi Orions, going 6-0 (a record for a first year foreign pitcher's first six decisions)
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He's also said to have been the first U.S. major leaguer to play for
Japan.

Bill Schenley

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> > > > .02 - base hit.
> > > > .03 - swing and miss.
>
> > > No way!
>
> > Argh ...Look ... I'm not a numbers person ... It was 0.2 and 0.3.
>
> If your reaction time really was 0.02 and 0.03 then you've seriously missed
> your calling in the Major Leagues!

Every spring I show up at the Yankees training facility and tell them
the same thing ... and every spring they have security remove me from
the grounds ...


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X ` Man

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All I remember about him is that he was a nice guy who tossed a few to a
kid who was visiting the ballpark with his dad and his dad's baseball
superstar friend.
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The Kentucky Wizard

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"News" <m...@sb.net> wrote in message
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>
> Click on the "play ball" button, then move your cursor over the part of
> the screen that shows the baseball field. As soon as you see "swing
> batter," click on your screen as fast as you can.
>
> Fastball Reaction Time imitates a 90-mph fastball thrown by a major league
> pitcher. While this exhibit doesn't test if you could actually hit a
> fastball, it does test whether you could react in time to hit one. When
> you see the "swing batter" screen, a signal in your eye sends a message to
> a part of your brain that controls your muscles. Your brain must then send
> a signal to your muscles, telling them to click. Although it takes some
> time for the signal to travel along each nerve, the major delay in your
> reaction time occurs at the junction points in between the different
> nerves involved, and between the nerves and the muscles in your fingers.
>
>
> ---
>
> I can get a 'hit', with my fastest reaction time of 0.20 sec., 1/5th of a
> second.
> Anything slower than 0.25 sec. (1/4th sec.) is probably going to be a
> swing-and-a-miss.
>
> Batter-up!

My best two tries:
0.12 - Home Run
0.16 - Home Run

Wiz....

The Kentucky Wizard

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"News" <m...@sb.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill Schenley" <b.sch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2a327d55-b91e-4dc9...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> The Yanks don't want anyone contaminating their prized players with
> smokers. <g>
>

But yet, the Cardinals allow mentally challenged folks like you around them?

No wonder Pujols jumped ship, he's had enough of you wanting one of his cups
to play with and keep.

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highest rooftop:

> Hey, Wiz! Go take a wazz, preferably when constipated.

From the Sayings of Roy:

Disagree with me all you want, but keep it civil and not
personal.
That's not too much to ask.


Mr. wiseguy, collectivist-dictator, a centrist-mushy, Bobo, Shitley,
Mr. Nasty, creep-o, weird-buddy, Shen-dopeaholic, dummies,
TdFuckcrapola, dodo-head, doo-doo, big baby, tiny grasshopper-brains,
Fuckwad, Asshole, POS, Twat, Twit,
Dope, you Moses of Stupid, Obama is 'half-black' (half-white, Sanity
Claus, fathead, ignoramus, birdbrain, fish-face, dumbest of all the
dummies, You are a stupid moron, girlhole, womanhole, boobies, carpet
area, youteress, (w)hole area, doing it, Mr. Giggler, Mr.
Dopeycartoon, Mr. Joeycartoon, Mr. Joe un-Lawyer, Tough toenails,
rubberhead and, hope that also made you go pee-pee in your pants.

* * *

"I was born with the defect."

Bermuda999

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> news:30225536.114.1331986752846.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbkc1...
> > On Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:03:01 AM UTC-4, News wrote:
> >
> >> ...a hard piece of cold rubber...
> >
> > Just wanted to read that again. Al must be proud
>
> ...dirty mind...big mouth......a hard piece of cold rubber...

BobF

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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:21:45 -0500, "News" <m...@sb.net> shouted from the
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> Why don't you finally get your dirty mind and big mouth out of the
>gutter?

From the Sayings of Roy:

The least you can do is stop repeating 2nd-grade, infantile insults.
Unless you enjoy stooping to that low level of discourse.

From the Hypocricy of Roy:

The Kentucky Wizard

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> "The Kentucky Wizard" <KyWi...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:BNudnWBms_tWRPvS...@insightbb.com...
>> "News" <m...@sb.net> wrote in message
>> news:Pdadnb0jW5D32_jS...@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> "Bill Schenley" <b.sch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2a327d55-b91e-4dc9...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> > > > .02 - base hit.
>>>>> > > > .03 - swing and miss.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > No way!
>>>>>
>>>>> > Argh ...Look ... I'm not a numbers person ... It was 0.2 and 0.3.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your reaction time really was 0.02 and 0.03 then you've seriously
>>>>> missed
>>>>> your calling in the Major Leagues!
>>>>
>>>> Every spring I show up at the Yankees training facility and tell them
>>>> the same thing ... and every spring they have security remove me from
>>>> the grounds ...
>>>
>>> The Yanks don't want anyone contaminating their prized players with
>>> smokers. <g>
>>>
>>
>> But yet, the Cardinals allow mentally challenged folks like you around
>> them?
>
> 1. I'm not mentally-challenged.

Yes, you are. You're in denial.

> 2. I'm not around them, I'm up in-the-stands, when I infrequently
> attend a game.

Translation: You sneek in near the end of a game, when absolutely no one
cares whether you have a ticket, nor where you sit.

> 3. You are a dumbbell for even suggesting your invalid description!

Is there a point to this sentence, or was it simply desparation taking over?

> 4. Too bad that tornado didn't find you, and throw you clean to
> Cincinnati!

I've been to Cincinnati for business meetings, back when the old Riverfront
Stadium was still standing, so that'll tell you how long that's been. They
have a great little home cooking restaurant in the middle of downtown, not
much bigger than a standard house. Wish I could recall the name of it.

>> No wonder Pujols jumped ship, he's had enough of you wanting one of his
>> cups to play with and keep.
>
> Hey, Wiz! Go take a wazz, preferably when constipated.

Don't have a poo-poo problem, but I bet you do. If you would remove those
plugs, you wouldn't have so much trouble going.

The Kentucky Wizard

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Mar 26, 2012, 12:56:34 AM3/26/12
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> You're a f***ing liar, as usual!
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I don't lie, nor do I feel the need to. Unlike you, who is so paranoid you
that you surround yourself with flowers in photos, so we can't see the boxes
of "Anal Lube" stacked to the ceiling in the background.

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