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The truth will set you free

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Jun 15, 2013, 9:38:10 PM6/15/13
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Proud to be White !
I have been wondering about why Whites are racists,
and no other race is......
Proud to be White

Michael Richards makes his point...

Michael Richards better known as Kramer
from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.

This was his defense speech in court
after making racial comments in his comedy act.
He makes some very interesting points...

Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans,
Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans..
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.

You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'...
And that's OK...
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger,
Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ..
You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you....
So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah.
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP.
You have BET....

If we had WET
(White Entertainment Television),
we'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day,
you would call us racists.

If we had White History Month,
we'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives, we'd be racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce,
and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that??

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...
You know we'd be racists.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US ..
Yet if there were 'White colleges',
that would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March,
you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights,
you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange,
and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride,
you call us racists.

You rob us, car jack us, and shoot at us.
But,
when a white police officer shoots a black gang member
or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law
and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud......
But you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists??


There is nothing improper about this e-mail..
Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on.
I sadly don't think many will.

That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS
in this country.
We won't stand up for ourselves!

BE PROUD
TO BE WHITE!

It's not a crime YET....
But getting very close!

Louis Epstein

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Jun 16, 2013, 10:37:01 AM6/16/13
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In alt.obituaries The truth will set you free <deut...@mutter.com> wrote:
>
>
> Proud to be White !
> I have been wondering about why Whites are racists,
> and no other race is......
> Proud to be White
>
> Michael Richards makes his point...
>
> Michael Richards better known as Kramer
> from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
>
> This was his defense speech in court
> after making racial comments in his comedy act.

No,it wasn't.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proudwhite.asp

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Sauve Maria

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Jun 16, 2013, 12:45:22 PM6/16/13
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Even though I'm Italian-American, I can march in the St Patty's Irish parade. When my people came to America, we came in the front door, right past Lady Liberty, not the servants' entrance. When my people came they brought their religion, their family, their religion, their art and their culture; Not like some people.

Poor white people.

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The truth will set you free

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Jun 16, 2013, 2:20:28 PM6/16/13
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Believing Snopes is like believing Obama.

Louis Epstein

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Jun 16, 2013, 2:48:49 PM6/16/13
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In alt.obituaries The truth will set you free <deut...@mutter.com> wrote:
> On 6/16/2013 7:37 AM, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> In alt.obituaries The truth will set you free <deut...@mutter.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Proud to be White !
>>> I have been wondering about why Whites are racists,
>>> and no other race is......
>>> Proud to be White
>>>
>>> Michael Richards makes his point...
>>>
>>> Michael Richards better known as Kramer
>>> from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
>>>
>>> This was his defense speech in court
>>> after making racial comments in his comedy act.
>>
>> No,it wasn't.
>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proudwhite.asp
>>
>>
> Believing Snopes is like believing Obama.

So your refutation of their claim that the same text was
circulated without attribution before the complaint against
Richards is...?

leno...@yahoo.com

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Jun 16, 2013, 3:58:43 PM6/16/13
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On Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:49:10 PM UTC-4, Terry del Fuego wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:38:10 -0700, The truth will set you free
>
> <deut...@mutter.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Proud to be White !
>
>
>
> Yeah, me too. Because it's something I set out to accomplish and,
>
> through hard work and sacrifice, *did* accomplish. It's not like
>
> parents I didn't choose randomly fucked without protection one night.


From the Pulitzer Prize winning gay classical composer Ned Rorem (born in October of 1923):

"Black Pride and Gay Pride are dangerous slogans, like White Pride or Straight Pride. Gay and Black are not achievements but accidents of birth. One must not be ashamed, but that's not the same thing as being proud. Pride should lie only in what one does with one's blackness or gayness."

On top of that, some people (though not enough) have pointed out that even pride in one's accomplishments should have certain limits, since it's not the same as basic self-respect and respect for others.

From family therapist John Rosemond (I'm not fond of his religious tendencies, but otherwise, he makes plenty of sense):

"Some well-meaning folks suggest that there are two types of high self-esteem: a 'false' self-esteem that is a function of people patting you on the back and telling you how wonderful you are, and a 'genuine' self-esteem that is the result of significant accomplishment. In the words of a colleague and good friend, 'Genuine self-esteem comes from achievement, such as studying hard and making good grades, or practicing hard and excelling in a sport.'

"So where, I ask, does that leave the child who studies hard and still makes no better than C's? Or the child who is a klutz? Or the disabled child who has neither the mental nor physical ability to succeed at doing much more than everyday self-help tasks? No, accomplishment-based self-esteem is no better than affirmation-based self-esteem. The former is highly prejudicial, the latter is sinful-a form of self-idolatry. And make no mistake about, if you have high regard for yourself because of your accomplishments, then you are likely to have less than high regard for those who's accomplishments are not as 'worthy' as your own. In which case we are again talking about self-idolatry......

"......'So, John,' the impatient reader asks. 'Answer the question: (If "self esteem" is bad) What's good?'

"What's good is self-respect. Because it is not a function of significant accomplishment, anyone can acquire self-respect, even the C-student, the klutz, and the disabled child. Self-respect, furthermore, is not idolatrous. It is acquired not because parents praise you (although they should-conservatively), but because they love you unconditionally (as does the Lord), hold you completely responsible for your behavior (but forgive you your sinfulness), and insist that you obey (respect their authority) and mind your manners at all times (show respect for others). It is, in fact, axiomatic that self-respect cannot exist without respect for others......

"........Are self-confidence and self-respect interchangeable terms? Again, no. Self-confidence is specific to certain situations. For example, I feel very confident speaking to large groups of people, but I feel a distinct loss of confidence when I'm in deep water with sharks (I know, because I've been there, done that!). In fact, having confidence in a situation where you should not, where you should be on guard and charged with adrenaline, is foolhardy. But where self-confidence has, and should have, its ups and downs, self-respect is a constant.

"The self-respecting person, rather than being 'high' on him/herself, is modest, humble, even self-effacing at times-to again cite the apostle, a person of 'sober judgment.' "

(end)


Lenona.

Sauve Maria

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Jun 16, 2013, 4:21:24 PM6/16/13
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On Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:58:43 PM UTC-7, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Clipped-a-dee do dah <

You've convinced me, I going to go watch the Gay Day Parade today. I usually don't go for such things, but there are just too many bitter people not to show some support.

bill clinton

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Jun 16, 2013, 8:56:54 PM6/16/13
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In news:kpl1ag$sbb$1...@reader1.panix.com,
Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> belched:
> In alt.obituaries The truth will set you free <deut...@mutter.com>
> wrote:
>> On 6/16/2013 7:37 AM, Louis Epstein wrote:
>>> In alt.obituaries The truth will set you free
>>> <deut...@mutter.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proud to be White !
>>>> I have been wondering about why Whites are racists,
>>>> and no other race is......
>>>> Proud to be White
>>>>
>>>> Michael Richards makes his point...
>>>>
>>>> Michael Richards better known as Kramer
>>>> from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
>>>>
>>>> This was his defense speech in court
>>>> after making racial comments in his comedy act.
>>>
>>> No,it wasn't.
>>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proudwhite.asp
>>>
>>>
>> Believing Snopes is like believing Obama.
>
> So your refutation of their claim that the same text was
> circulated without attribution before the complaint against
> Richards is...?
>
.

why the fuck does it matter who said it ,when its true?


Louis Epstein

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Jun 17, 2013, 8:40:36 AM6/17/13
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When your claim of who said it is NOT true,
that goes to the credibility of whatever you say.
If you want people to listen,don't be dishonest.

Louis Epstein

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Jun 17, 2013, 8:42:06 AM6/17/13
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Such parades should either be ignored or heckled.
Self-righteousness on display is not something to celebrate.

The Watcher

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Jun 17, 2013, 9:02:41 AM6/17/13
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:40:36 +0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein
<l...@main.put.com> wrote:
>
>When your claim of who said it is NOT true,
>that goes to the credibility of whatever you say.
>If you want people to listen,don't be dishonest.
>
Ever think of taking your own advice? The Mikklesons
are honest, contrary to the likes of you and you know
this. When you can't refute the facts, refute the messenger.
>-=-=-
>The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
>at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
>
Are you looking for a new target, Louie? If you think
waving your freedom flag is going to end a war you
started, think it over again, and again.
Message has been deleted

Sanders Kaufman

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Jun 17, 2013, 11:22:15 AM6/17/13
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"Louis Epstein" wrote in message news:kpn044$22u$1...@reader1.panix.com...

>When your claim of who said it is NOT true,
>that goes to the credibility of whatever you say.
>If you want people to listen,don't be dishonest.

He's an anonymous racist posting tantrums under a fake identity.
There's nothing you can do or say to make that come off as any LESS
credible.

The truth will set you free

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Shaina says you never pull out in time.

Obama's Coon Government

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Jun 18, 2013, 10:33:49 PM6/18/13
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In article <kpj4u8$kc3$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>
The truth will set you free <deut...@mutter.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Proud to be White !
> I have been wondering about why niggers are racists,
> and no other race is......
> Proud to be White

Fixed that for you.

Spamßuster

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KEEP IT THE HELL OUT OF CANADIAN NEWSGROUPS, THANKS

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On 6/18/2013 7:33 PM, Obama's Coon Government wrote:


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Al

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Jun 20, 2013, 10:51:41 AM6/20/13
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In article <Fdswt.14482$6y4....@newsfe12.iad>,
=?UTF-8?B?U3BhbcOfdXN0ZXI=?= <Spamßuster@n·et.ca> wrote:

> ==========================================================
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> KEEP IT THE HELL OUT OF CANADIAN NEWSGROUPS, THANKS


Why?

God's Debris

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Jun 20, 2013, 8:47:57 PM6/20/13
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:40:36 +0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein
<l...@main.put.com> wrote:

Point out something in it that's not true other then whether or not
it's something M. Richards said. Other than that I can find nothing
in it that is not true. Lets see what you can find...

Sanders Kaufman

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Jun 21, 2013, 8:37:50 AM6/21/13
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"God's Debris" wrote in message
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>Point out something in it that's not true other then whether or not

It's opinion- neither true nor false.
You might just as well ask how much loud is in it, or to point out the
smell.
Logical fallacies like this run like a PLAGUE through you racists.

Al

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Jun 21, 2013, 9:20:52 AM6/21/13
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In article <zOXwt.110721$Hh1....@newsfe13.iad>,
You poor bastard.

God's Debris

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Jun 21, 2013, 10:30:18 AM6/21/13
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No it's not opinion. It's entirely true that Blacks, Asians, etc can
have "black student unions", and NAACP's and not be called racists but
if Caucasians did the same exact thing and discussed the same exact
stuff at their meetings they would be called racists. I'm still
waiting for someone to point out something in it that's not true.

Sauve Maria

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On Friday, June 21, 2013 7:30:18 AM UTC-7, God's Debris wrote:

> No it's not opinion. It's entirely true that Blacks, Asians, etc can
>
> have "black student unions", and NAACP's and not be called racists but
>
> if Caucasians did the same exact thing and discussed the same exact
>
> stuff at their meetings they would be called racists. I'm still
>
> waiting for someone to point out something in it that's not true.

Country clubs, Mormon religion, hockey, Pope-ism, cast of "Friends", hillbilly heaven, Jethro Tull concerts, Skull and Bones Society, DAR,...

Sanders Kaufman

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"God's Debris" wrote in message
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>No it's not opinion. It's entirely true that Blacks, Asians, etc can

You racists think a LOT of crazy things are true.
That's why we've relegated you to the fringes of society.

God's Debris

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Jun 22, 2013, 3:31:59 PM6/22/13
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Another irrational response from the real racist in this crowd.

Sauve Maria

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On Saturday, June 22, 2013 12:31:59 PM UTC-7, God's Debris wrote:

>
> Another irrational response from the real racist in this crowd.

Excellent "IKYABWAI?" defense. I guess the only other defense was the time-tested "Rubber & Glue" gambit. Well played, sir. Well played.

Al

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In article <JMhxt.86362$on6....@newsfe18.iad>,
No-one here lives with mommy but you.

Billy

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In article <kpj4u8$kc3$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
The truth will set you free <deut...@mutter.com> wrote:

> Proud to be White !
> I have been wondering about why Whites are racists,
> and no other race is......
> Proud to be White
>
> Michael Richards makes his point...
>
> Michael Richards better known as Kramer
> from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
>
> This was his defense speech in court
> after making racial comments in his comedy act.
> He makes some very interesting points...
>
> Someone finally said it.
> How many are actually paying attention to this?
>
> There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans,
> Arab Americans, etc.
> And then there are just Americans..
> You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
>
> You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'...
> And that's OK...
> But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger,
> Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ..
> You call me a racist.
>
> You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you....
> So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
>
> You have the United Negro College Fund.
> You have Martin Luther King Day.
> You have Black History Month.
> You have Cesar Chavez Day.
> You have Yom Hashoah.
> You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
> You have the NAACP.
> You have BET....
>
> If we had WET
> (White Entertainment Television),
> we'd be racists.
>
> If we had a White Pride Day,
> you would call us racists.
>
> If we had White History Month,
> we'd be racists.
>
> If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
> OUR lives, we'd be racists.
>
> We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce,
> and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
> Wonder who pays for that??
>
> A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
> but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
> If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...
> You know we'd be racists.
>
> There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US ..
> Yet if there were 'White colleges',
> that would be a racist college.
>
> In the Million Man March,
> you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
> If we marched for our race and rights,
> you would call us racists.
>
> You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange,
> and you're not afraid to announce it.
> But when we announce our white pride,
> you call us racists.
>
> You rob us, car jack us, and shoot at us.
> But,
> when a white police officer shoots a black gang member
> or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law
> and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
>
> I am proud......
> But you call me a racist.
>
> Why is it that only whites can be racists??

Maybe it has something to do with 250 years of slavery that made
Southern plantation owners, and New England mill owners rich, and
created wealth for America that black people never benefited from.

[R]ates and patterns of drug crime do not explain the glaring racial
disparities in our criminal justice system. People of all races use and
sell illegal drugs at remarkably similar rates. If there are significant
differences in the surveys to be found,they frequently suggest that
whites, particularly white youth, are more likely to engage in illegal
drug dealing than people of color.'' One study, for example, published
in 2000 by the National Institute on Drug Abuse reported that white
students use cocaine at seven times the rate of black students, use
crack cocaine at eight times the rate of black students, and use heroin
at seven times the rate of black students. That same survey revealed that
nearly identical percentages of white and black high school seniors use
marijuana. The National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported in 2000
that white youth aged 12-17 are more than a third more likely to have
sold illegal drugs than African American youth.13 Thus the very same
year Human Rights Watch was reporting that African Americans were being
arrested and 'imprisoned at unprecedented rates, government data
revealed that blacks were no more likely to be guilty of drug crimes
than whites and that white youth were actually the most likely of any
racial or ethnic group to be guilty of illegal drug possession and
sales. Any notion that drug use among blacks is more severe or dangerous
is belied by the data; white youth have about three times the number of
drug-related emergency room visits as their African American
counterparts.

The racial bias inherent in the drug war is a major reason that 1 in
every 14 black men was behind bars in 2006, compared with 1 in 106 white
men. For young black men, the statistics are even worse. One in 9 black
men between the ages of twenty and thirty-five was behind bars in 2006,
and far more were under some form of penal control--such as probation or
parole. These gross racial disparities simply cannot be explained by
rates of illegal drug activity among African Americans, but they can be
explained by arbitrary enforcement by officers and prosecutors seeking
Federal financial backing which comes with arrests. Arrests, that if
they were made in "white" communities would cause a ferocious, political
backlash.

And now with the clock ticking down on the white majority, which will
become just another minority in 2040, bigoted whites are stressing-out.
White Republicans are more likely to own guns than white Democrats; by
2010 gun ownership among Democrats dropped to 22 percent but remained at
50 percent among Republican adults.
<http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans
-mostly-white.aspx>

In its extreme form, gun worship is xenophobic and racist.
Self-proclaimed militias and many so-called doomsday łpreppers˛ warn of
an impending race war in which one must be prepared to defend oneąs home
and family against marauding and rapacious black and brown hordes.
This likely explains why whites are more likely to own guns than blacks
or Hispanics and why gun ownership is higher among middle class
households than poorer ones, according to Silverąs findings. And while
most gun-related homicides occur in urban areas, gun ownership is higher
in rural and suburban areas.

A majority of the American people don't want gun-nuts walking around
with loaded guns.

<http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx>
Guns - Gallup Historical Trends

If you were in a public place such as a restaurant or movie theater,
would you feel more safe -- or less safe -- if you knew concealed
firearms were allowed?

More safe Less safe No difference No opinion
2004 Nov 19-21
25% 65 8 2

A poll of registered voters conducted in April 2010 found that 57% feel
less safe when they learn that loaded concealed guns may lawfully be
carried in public. Fifty-six percent of registered voters oppose
allowing people to carry concealed guns in public, with 41% strongly
opposing concealed carry.


We need to be clear that racism is a working class issue. Racism
benefits the wealthy and powerful. For centuries, racism has been used
to generate incredible profits through the perpetuation of łjob ghettos˛
and differential wage levels and working conditions.

Racism is also a way for employers to attack our solidarity as workers.
As long as we allow racism to exist in our workplaces, we will face our
enemies divided and weakened.



>
>
> There is nothing improper about this e-mail..
> Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on.
> I sadly don't think many will.
>
> That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS
> in this country.
> We won't stand up for ourselves!
>
> BE PROUD
> TO BE WHITE!
>
> It's not a crime YET....
> But getting very close!

The real problem, Peckerwood, is white guys in suits. White guys in
suits on Wall Street, in Washington D.C., extracting fossil fuel, and
operating corporations like Wally World where workers rely on food
stamps to survive.

But white guys in suits want you to think about black men, brown men,
saving fetuses, "Climate Change" deniers, Family Values, the 2nd
Amendment, and getting God back in school, anything but white guys in
suits. And they won't be happy until they are renting you the clothes
that you wear on your back.

The Feds gave $9 trillion dollars in cash, and loan guarantees to banks
when they failed. Now they want to take $4 billion or more from those
who use food stamps.

Politicians don't care about most of us, because the white guys in suits
have the money they need for there election campaigns. During the
savings-and-loan scandal of the 1980's - a scandal whose dimensions, by
today's standards, seem almost quaint - the banker Charles Keating was
asked by a congressional committee whether the $1.5 million he had
spread among a few key elected officials could actually buy influence.
"I certainly hope so," he replied. The Supreme Court, in its recent
Citizens United case, has enshrined the right of corporations to buy
government, by removing limitations on campaign spending.


With publicly financed election campaigns, the politicians would return
to working for the public, not white guys in suits.
--
Remember Rachel Corrie
<http://www.rachelcorrie.org/>

Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>

Captain America

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Jul 8, 2013, 4:28:40 PM7/8/13
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Maybe it has something to do with 250 years of no IQ an laziness.

Scott Brady

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Jul 8, 2013, 5:50:25 PM7/8/13
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On Monday, July 8, 2013 2:06:46 PM UTC-5, Billy wrote:

> The real problem, Peckerwood, is white guys in suits. White guys in
> suits on Wall Street, in Washington D.C., extracting fossil fuel, and
> operating corporations like Wally World where workers rely on food
> stamps to survive.

In other words, the guys who elected Obama.

Billy

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Jul 25, 2013, 2:49:55 AM7/25/13
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In article <krf7e4$a52$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
A lame-ass non-competive, pink pimply assed, loser like you would think
so. Why not have another drink, and try to forget how white superiority
was black powder, and steel that came from China, and Africa.
------

In the Journals of the House of Burgesses of Virginia is a document
of 1619 which tells of the first twelve years of the Jamestown colony.
The first settlement had a hundred persons, who had one small ladle of
barley per meal. When more people arrived, there was even less food.
Many of the people lived in cavelike holes dug into the ground, and in
the winter of 1609-1610, they were

... driven thru insufferable hunger to eat those things which nature most
abhorred, the flesh and excrements of man as well of our own nation as
of an Indian, digged by some out of his grave after he had lain buried
three days and wholly devoured him; others, envying the state of body of
any whom hunger has not yet so much wasted as their own, lay wait and
threatened to kill and eat them; one among them slew his wife as she
slept in his bosom, cut her in pieces, salted her and fed upon her till
he had clean devoured all parts saving her head....

There may have been a kind of frustrated rage at their own inepti-
tude, at the Indian superiority at taking care of themselves, that made
the Virginians especially ready to become the masters of slaves. Edmund
Morgan imagines their mood as he writes in his book American Slavery,
American Freedom:
If you were a colonist, you knew that your technology was superior to the
Indians'. You knew that you were civilized, and they were savages. . . .
But your superior technology had proved insufficient to extract
anything. The Indians, keeping to themselves, laughed at your superior
methods and lived from the land more abundantly and with less labor than
you did. . . . And when your own people started deserting in order to
live with them, it was too much. ... So you killed the Indians, tortured
them, burned their villages, burned their cornfields. It proved your
superiority, in spite of your failures. And you gave similar treatment
to any of your own people who succumbed to their savage ways of life.
But you still did not grow much corn . . . .
Black slaves were the answer. And it was natural to consider imported
blacks as slaves, even if the institution of slavery would not be
regularized and legalized for several decades. Because, by 1619, a
million blacks had already been brought from Africa to South America
and the Caribbean, to the Portuguese and Spanish colonies, to work as
slaves. Fifty years before Columbus, the Portuguese took ten African
blacks to Lisbon�this was the start of a regular trade in slaves. African
blacks had been stamped as slave labor for a hundred years. So it would
have been strange if those twenty blacks, forcibly transported to
Jamestown, and sold as objects to settlers anxious for a steadfast source
of labor, were considered as anything but slaves.

Their helplessness made enslavement easier. The Indians were on
their own land. The whites were in their own European culture. The
blacks had been torn from their land and culture, forced into a situation
where the heritage of language, dress, custom, family relations, was bit
by bit obliterated except for the remnants that blacks could hold on to
by sheer, extraordinary persistence.
--
Palestinian Child Detained
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzSzH38jYcg>

David Sanders

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Jul 25, 2013, 3:41:53 AM7/25/13
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Are you still around? We thought you had been caught and arrested again.
You always go missing about the same time as that homo Flybd5.

You are really upset this time. Are you mad because Trayvon was selected
over Rachel Corrie for a Darwin Award?


Billy

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Jul 26, 2013, 1:36:40 AM7/26/13
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In article <ksqks4$fna$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
Another fact free post from some mindless right*rd.

Listen-up Peckerwood.

250 years of slavery that made
Southern plantation owners, and New England mill owners rich, and
created wealth for America that black people never benefited from.

[R]ates and patterns of drug crime do not explain the glaring racial
disparities in our criminal justice system. People of all races use and
sell illegal drugs at remarkably similar rates. If there are significant
differences in the surveys to be found,they frequently suggest that
whites, particularly white youth, are more likely to engage in illegal
drug dealing than people of color.'' One study, for example, published
in 2000 by the National Institute on Drug Abuse reported that white
students use cocaine at seven times the rate of black students, use
crack cocaine at eight times the rate of black students, and use heroin
at seven times the rate of black students. That same survey revealed that
nearly identical percentages of white and black high school seniors use
marijuana. The National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported in 2000
that white youth aged 12-17 are more than a third more likely to have
sold illegal drugs than African American youth.13 Thus the very same
year Human Rights Watch was reporting that African Americans were being
arrested and 'imprisoned at unprecedented rates, government data
revealed that blacks were no more likely to be guilty of drug crimes
than whites and that white youth were actually the most likely of any
racial or ethnic group to be guilty of illegal drug possession and
sales. Any notion that drug use among blacks is more severe or dangerous
is belied by the data; white youth have about three times the number of
drug-related emergency room visits as their African American
counterparts.
-------

What brave Peckerwoods. Kidnapping, and imprisoning chained Africans.
You must be proud.
-------
The real problem, Peckerwood, is white guys in suits. White guys in
suits on Wall Street, in Washington D.C., extracting fossil fuel, and
operating corporations like Wally World where workers rely on food
stamps to survive.

But white guys in suits want you to think about black men, brown men,
saving fetuses, "Climate Change" deniers, Family Values, the 2nd
Amendment, and getting God back in school, anything but white guys in
suits. And they won't be happy until they are renting you the clothes
that you wear on your back.

The Feds gave $9 trillion dollars in cash, and loan guarantees to banks
when they failed. Now they want to take $4 billion or more from those
who use food stamps.

Politicians don't care about most of us, because the white guys in suits
have the money they need for there election campaigns. During the
savings-and-loan scandal of the 1980's - a scandal whose dimensions, by
today's standards, seem almost quaint - the banker Charles Keating was
asked by a congressional committee whether the $1.5 million he had
spread among a few key elected officials could actually buy influence.
"I certainly hope so," he replied. The Supreme Court, in its recent
Citizens United case, has enshrined the right of corporations to buy
government, by removing limitations on campaign spending.


With publicly financed election campaigns, the politicians would return
to working for the public, not white guys in suits.
=====

That's the way to post Peckerwood. Don't act so stoopid next time.

<http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans
-mostly-white.aspx>
Democrats Racially Diverse; Republicans Mostly White


Extinction, it isn't just for Dinosaurs anymore.
Join the "White Whine Party" on its Lemming's Run.

Tea, the new Kool Aid.

David Sanders

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Jul 26, 2013, 11:47:50 AM7/26/13
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You really got cheated on your education. Lots of people also believe
that John Brown and Charles Manson are heroes.
Your people are still eating each other.

Billy

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Aug 1, 2013, 2:05:00 PM8/1/13
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In article <ksu5nb$ko9$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
"Osawatomie Brown"? Fer sure! Charlie? Not so much. I suggest that you
keep that crazy S.O.B., Charlie, locked-up with as many investment
bankers as you can find.

As far as my education, you know as much about it as you do field
theory, or quantum mechanics. I got a very good education, boy, back
when the government paid to get people educated, not like today where
the costs are prohibitive, and getting worse.

Eating each other? You mean like cunnilingus? Or do you mean literally
to eat, i.e. masticate? Your lot doesn't have much to fear from us. We
might take your girl friends, but we have our standards in cuisine.

According to the Mau Mau Hypothesis (See: James V. McConnell), "if you
are what you eat, then you should eat people who are smarter and better
looking than you." That, Da-vid, would leave you, and your FOX NEWS
watching, and morbidly obese friends off the menu.

Carlos Danger

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Aug 1, 2013, 4:01:13 PM8/1/13
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On 8/1/2013 11:05 AM, Billy wrote:
> In article <ksu5nb$ko9$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
> David Sanders <cr...@thenuthouse.TX> wrote:
>
>> You really got cheated on your education. Lots of people also believe
>> that John Brown and Charles Manson are heroes.
>> Your people are still eating each other.
>
>
> "Osawatomie Brown"? Fer sure! Charlie? Not so much. I suggest that you
> keep that crazy S.O.B., Charlie, locked-up with as many investment
> bankers as you can find.
>
> As far as my education, you know as much about it as you do field
> theory, or quantum mechanics. I got a very good education, boy, back
> when the government paid to get people educated, not like today where
> the costs are prohibitive, and getting worse.

That Affirmative Action pass/fail worked for you then?
>
> Eating each other? You mean like cunnilingus? Or do you mean literally
> to eat, i.e. masticate? Your lot doesn't have much to fear from us. We
> might take your girl friends, but we have our standards in cuisine.

Sorry, I never had a 400 lbs girlfriend, so you never got mine.
>
> According to the Mau Mau Hypothesis (See: James V. McConnell), "if you
> are what you eat, then you should eat people who are smarter and better
> looking than you." That, Da-vid, would leave you, and your FOX NEWS
> watching, and morbidly obese friends off the menu.

Obama ate dogs, now he is like you. He lives in public housing, eats for
free, and does nothing in return.


Billy

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Aug 2, 2013, 2:24:14 AM8/2/13
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In article <kteeqf$edc$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
Carlos Danger <na...@jaybird.nyc> wrote:

> On 8/1/2013 11:05 AM, Billy wrote:
> > In article <ksu5nb$ko9$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
> > David Sanders <cr...@thenuthouse.TX> wrote:
> >
> >> You really got cheated on your education. Lots of people also believe
> >> that John Brown and Charles Manson are heroes.
> >> Your people are still eating each other.
> >
> >
> > "Osawatomie Brown"? Fer sure! Charlie? Not so much. I suggest that you
> > keep that crazy S.O.B., Charlie, locked-up with as many investment
> > bankers as you can find.
> >
> > As far as my education, you know as much about it as you do field
> > theory, or quantum mechanics. I got a very good education, boy, back
> > when the government paid to get people educated, not like today where
> > the costs are prohibitive, and getting worse.
>
> That Affirmative Action pass/fail worked for you then?

Now. do I come round a=nd lean on your shovel while you're workin'?

> >
> > Eating each other? You mean like cunnilingus? Or do you mean literally
> > to eat, i.e. masticate? Your lot doesn't have much to fear from us. We
> > might take your girl friends, but we have our standards in cuisine.
>
> Sorry, I never had a 400 lbs girlfriend, so you never got mine.

I'm sure she was a nice girl no matter how big she was.

> >
> > According to the Mau Mau Hypothesis (See: James V. McConnell), "if you
> > are what you eat, then you should eat people who are smarter and better
> > looking than you." That, Da-vid, would leave you, and your FOX NEWS
> > watching, and morbidly obese friends off the menu.
>
> Obama ate dogs, now he is like you. He lives in public housing, eats for
> free, and does nothing in return.

You really work hard at being stoopid, don't you?

There you have it folks, "Bagger" Bigotry. Hang on, it will soon just be
a footnote in history.


<http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans
-mostly-white.aspx>
Democrats Racially Diverse; Republican "Baggers", Mostly White


Extinction, it isn't just for Dinosaurs anymore.
Join the "White Whine Party" on its Lemming's Run.

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Carlos Danger

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Aug 2, 2013, 3:46:55 AM8/2/13
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Got any monkey recipes?

Billy

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Aug 2, 2013, 10:59:51 PM8/2/13
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In article <ktfo5k$369$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
Why yes I do, although I would have taken you more for a hog jowls, and
chitlin' kind of guy.

Now you won't have to grow your own.

Monkey Balls

Total Time: 1 hrs 5 mins
Prep Time: 30 mins
Cook Time: 35 mins

Ingredients [?] Add all ingredients to Shopping List
� 2 teaspoons cinnamon
� 1/2 cup butter or margarine
� 1 cup sugar
� 2 loaves frozen white bread dough, thawed (not raised)
� chopped pecans (optional) or walnuts (optional)
Instructions
1. Knead dough.
2. Mix sugar and cinnamon in small bowl.
3. Pinch off dough into walnut-size balls.
4. Roll in melted butter, then in sugar-cinnamon mixture.
5. Place in butter-greased bundt or angel food pan, in layers.
6. Sprinkle nuts over each layer, if desired.
7. Pour remaining butter and sugar over top.
8. Let rise, about 10 minutes.
9. Bake in 325 degree oven for 35 to 45 minutes.
10. Invert onto plate while still warm.
-----

I'm afraid that all the butter might stain your clean white sheets
though.

R H Draney

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Aug 3, 2013, 2:50:22 AM8/3/13
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Billy filted:
If you use peanut butter instead of the chopped pecans or walnuts, you get
Rhesus Pieces....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

Charley Horse

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Aug 3, 2013, 3:22:52 AM8/3/13
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That looks like a really good recipe. I'm saving it.At least you didn't
waste all your time in school. People can always tell what I eat from
looking at my shirt.

Billy

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Aug 3, 2013, 3:34:38 PM8/3/13
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In article <ktib4d$pgj$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
Charley Horse <upyou...@rubberhose.mx> wrote:

> >
> > Monkey Balls
> >
> > Total Time: 1 hrs 5 mins
> > Prep Time: 30 mins
> > Cook Time: 35 mins
> >
> > Ingredients [?] Add all ingredients to Shopping List
> > 2 teaspoons cinnamon
> > 1/2 cup butter or margarine
> > 1 cup sugar
> > 2 loaves frozen white bread dough, thawed (not raised)
> > chopped pecans (optional) or walnuts (optional)
> > Instructions
> > 1. Knead dough.
> > 2. Mix sugar and cinnamon in small bowl.
> > 3. Pinch off dough into walnut-size balls.
> > 4. Roll in melted butter, then in sugar-cinnamon mixture.
> > 5. Place in butter-greased bundt or angel food pan, in layers.
> > 6. Sprinkle nuts over each layer, if desired.
> > 7. Pour remaining butter and sugar over top.
> > 8. Let rise, about 10 minutes.
> > 9. Bake in 325 degree oven for 35 to 45 minutes.
> > 10. Invert onto plate while still warm.
> > -----
> >
>
> That looks like a really good recipe. I'm saving it.At least you didn't
> waste all your time in school. People can always tell what I eat from
> looking at my shirt.

I save some in my beard ;O)

I didn't waste any of my time in school. My recreational classes were
French , and German, but that was back when tuition was only
$450/semester.

Tell me Charley, how'd you end up with wieslauf.sub.de?

Here's another "Nachtisch" recipe that's a little healthier.


Monkey Bars

Original recipe makes 1 - 8 inch square pan

�ソス 1/2 cup raisins
�ソス 1 1/2 tablespoons dark rum
�ソス 1 cup all-purpose flour
�ソス 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
�ソス 1/2 teaspoon baking soda
�ソス 1/4 teaspoon salt
�ソス 1/4 cup butter, softened
�ソス 3/4 cup brown sugar, packed
�ソス 1/2 cup mashed ripe banana
�ソス 3 tablespoons low-fat buttermilk
�ソス 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
�ソス 2 egg whites
�ソス 1/3 cup chopped walnuts
�ソス 1 tablespoon powdered sugar

Directions
�ソス Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Lightly grease an
8x8 inch baking pan. Place the raisins and rum in a microwave-safe bowl.
Place in the microwave and cook on High for 1 minute. Set aside until
needed.

�ソス Stir the flour, baking powder, baking soda, and salt together in a
mixing bowl. In another mixing bowl, beat the butter and brown sugar
together until light and fluffy. Beat in the banana, buttermilk,
vanilla, and egg whites until well blended. Gradually add the flour
mixture, beating just until combined. Stir in the raisin mixture and
walnuts. Spread the batter into the prepared pan

�ソス Bake in preheated oven until the top is golden, about 30 minutes.
Cool in the pan 10 minutes before cutting into bars and transferring to
a rack to cool completely. Dust with powdered sugar.

Billy

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Aug 3, 2013, 5:04:55 PM8/3/13
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In article <kti97...@drn.newsguy.com>,
R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> Billy filted:
(filted???)

You seem to have created a new word that Iam unfamiliar with, Sir, or
are you just being sloppy again?
Oh my. Mr. Charlie done an' got butter all over his clean, Sunday go to
meeting, white sheet.
----

That probably just appeals to the Neanderthal in you (1 - 5%).
<http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.htm>

For 100% human, you have to look to Sub-Saharan Africa.
------

White guys became dominant because they combined gun powder from China,
with steel from Anatolia, and Africa, and sailing ships. They stood on
the shoulders of giants, and excelled at weapons, but their culture was
backward compared to the Iroquois.

The Virginians of 1619 were desperate for labor, to grow enough
food to stay alive. Among them were survivors from the winter of
1609-1610, the "starving time," when, crazed for want of food, they
roamed the woods for nuts and berries, dug up graves to eat the corpses,
and died in batches until five hundred colonists were reduced to sixty.


The Indians, keeping to themselves, laughed at your superior methods and
lived from the land more abundantly and with less labor than you did. .
. . And when your own people started deserting in order to live with
them, it was too much. ... So you killed the Indians, tortured them,
burned their villages, burned their cornfields. It proved your
superiority, but you still did not grow much corn . . . .

Black slaves were the answer. Their helplessness made enslavement
easier. The Indians were on their own land. The whites were in their own
European culture. The blacks had been torn from their land and culture,
forced into a situation where the heritage of language, dress, custom,
family relations, was bit by bit obliterated except for the remnants
that blacks could hold on to by sheer, extraordinary persistence.

Slavery existed in the African states, and it was sometimes used by
Europeans to justify their own slave trade. But the "slaves" of Africa
were more like the serfs of Europe--in other words, like most of the
population of Europe. It was a harsh servitude, but they had rights
which slaves brought to America did not have, and they were "altogether
different from the human cattle of the slave ships and the American
plantations."

African slavery is hardly to be praised. But it was far different from
plantation or mining slavery in the Americas, which was lifelong',
morally crippling, destructive of family ties, without hope of any
future. African slavery lacked two elements that made American slav-
ery the most cruel form of slavery in history: the frenzy for limitless
profit that comes from capitalistic agriculture; the reduction of the
slave to less than human status by the use of racial hatred, with that
relentless clarity based on color, where white was master, black was
slave.

In the end, it was black labor in the fields of the south, feeding the
mills of the north that made America rich. Slavery requires dehumanizing
the slave, for how could one treat a human being like that, like the
Nazis treated the Jews.

It's all just about some white boys with an inferiority complex trying
to make themselves feel like men.
======

People of color didn't send our jobs overseas.
<http://www.gm.com/company/board-of-directors>

People of color didn't crash Wall Street.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooksley_Born#Born_and_the_OTC_Derivatives
_Market>

People of color didn't start the Middle East Wars.
Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Deputy
Secretary of Defence Paul Wolfowitz, & George W. Bush advisor Richard
Perle

White Guys in Suits did.

We need to be clear that racism is a working class issue. Racism
benefits the wealthy and powerful. For centuries, racism has been used
to generate incredible profits through the perpetuation of "job ghettos"
and differential wage levels and working conditions.

Racism is also a way for employers to attack our solidarity as workers.
As long as we allow racism to exist in our workplaces, we will face our
enemies divided and weakened.



There you have it folks, "Baggers" support the investment bankers, and
the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex. Like Kansans, they vote
against their own self-interests as a matter of faith. Hang on, white
entitlement will soon just be a footnote in history. Greed, though,
knows no skin color, and private money must be prevented from buying our
government.


<http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans
-mostly-white.aspx>
Democrats Racially Diverse; Republican "Baggers", Mostly White


Extinction, it isn't just for Dinosaurs anymore.
Join the "White Whine Party" on its Lemming's Run.

Tea, the new Kool Aid.

Carlos Danger

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Aug 3, 2013, 11:49:23 PM8/3/13
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> � 1/2 cup raisins
> � 1 1/2 tablespoons dark rum
> � 1 cup all-purpose flour
> � 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
> � 1/2 teaspoon baking soda
> � 1/4 teaspoon salt
> � 1/4 cup butter, softened
> � 3/4 cup brown sugar, packed
> � 1/2 cup mashed ripe banana
> � 3 tablespoons low-fat buttermilk
> � 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
> � 2 egg whites
> � 1/3 cup chopped walnuts
> � 1 tablespoon powdered sugar
>
> Directions
> � Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Lightly grease an
> 8x8 inch baking pan. Place the raisins and rum in a microwave-safe bowl.
> Place in the microwave and cook on High for 1 minute. Set aside until
> needed.
>
> � Stir the flour, baking powder, baking soda, and salt together in a
> mixing bowl. In another mixing bowl, beat the butter and brown sugar
> together until light and fluffy. Beat in the banana, buttermilk,
> vanilla, and egg whites until well blended. Gradually add the flour
> mixture, beating just until combined. Stir in the raisin mixture and
> walnuts. Spread the batter into the prepared pan
>
> � Bake in preheated oven until the top is golden, about 30 minutes.
> Cool in the pan 10 minutes before cutting into bars and transferring to
> a rack to cool completely. Dust with powdered sugar.
>
It's a public newserver, free. I use it for added anonymity. These posts
are a game and intertainment, and obviously I am just a troll. I rarely
post any real opinion, just love to be entertained and entertain. Some
people take themselves and NGs too seriously.
The only people I can't stand are the paid posters, so I hit them hard
Evidently you are not one of them. You can use that server by simply
putting it into your outgoing NGserver in server settings. Then refresh
your group choices. It shoul have all the ones you like to post on. It
does not allow individual emai. No passward needed. Your incoming server
can stay the same.

Billy

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Aug 11, 2013, 2:36:06 PM8/11/13
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In article <ktkj09$2qh$1...@wieslauf.sub.de>,
> > ¤ 1/2 cup raisins
> > ¤ 1 1/2 tablespoons dark rum
> > ¤ 1 cup all-purpose flour
> > ¤ 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
> > ¤ 1/2 teaspoon baking soda
> > ¤ 1/4 teaspoon salt
> > ¤ 1/4 cup butter, softened
> > ¤ 3/4 cup brown sugar, packed
> > ¤ 1/2 cup mashed ripe banana
> > ¤ 3 tablespoons low-fat buttermilk
> > ¤ 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
> > ¤ 2 egg whites
> > ¤ 1/3 cup chopped walnuts
> > ¤ 1 tablespoon powdered sugar
> >
> > Directions
> > ¤ Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Lightly grease an
> > 8x8 inch baking pan. Place the raisins and rum in a microwave-safe bowl.
> > Place in the microwave and cook on High for 1 minute. Set aside until
> > needed.
> >
> > ¤ Stir the flour, baking powder, baking soda, and salt together in a
> > mixing bowl. In another mixing bowl, beat the butter and brown sugar
> > together until light and fluffy. Beat in the banana, buttermilk,
> > vanilla, and egg whites until well blended. Gradually add the flour
> > mixture, beating just until combined. Stir in the raisin mixture and
> > walnuts. Spread the batter into the prepared pan
> >
> > ¤ Bake in preheated oven until the top is golden, about 30 minutes.
> > Cool in the pan 10 minutes before cutting into bars and transferring to
> > a rack to cool completely. Dust with powdered sugar.
> >
> It's a public newserver, free. I use it for added anonymity. These posts
> are a game and intertainment, and obviously I am just a troll. I rarely
> post any real opinion, just love to be entertained and entertain. Some
> people take themselves and NGs too seriously.
> The only people I can't stand are the paid posters, so I hit them hard
> Evidently you are not one of them. You can use that server by simply
> putting it into your outgoing NGserver in server settings. Then refresh
> your group choices. It shoul have all the ones you like to post on. It
> does not allow individual emai. No passward needed. Your incoming server
> can stay the same.

Thx

socky puppets

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Aug 12, 2013, 3:08:56 PM8/12/13
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On 8/11/2013 12:36 PM, Billy wrote:
>> Your incoming server
>> >can stay the same.
> Thx

You can be run over by a large truck, very soon.
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