ON LIFE-SUPPORT: The U.S. Constitution
Bill Schenley
celebration of the film "Bull Durham" because of anti-war
criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, the
shrine's president said.
Hall president Dale Petroskey sent a letter to the actors this week,
telling them the festivities April 26-27 at Cooperstown, N.Y., had
been called off.
Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under
Ronald Reagan, said the actors' recent comments "ultimately could
put our troops in even more danger."
Reached Wednesday night, Robbins said he was "dismayed" by
the decision. He responded with a letter he planned to send to
Petroskey, telling him: "You belong with the cowards and
ideologues in a hall of infamy and shame."
The weekend affair, planned months ago, also was to feature "Bull
Durham" actor Robert Wuhl and writer-director Ron Shelton.
Robbins plays an up-and-coming minor league pitcher in the 1988
film and Sarandon plays a fan who helps him focus his erratic talent.
Kevin Costner also stars.
Instead of commemorating the movie, the Hall canceled the
celebration in a letter sent Tuesday to the scheduled participants.
"In a free country such as ours, every American has the right to his
or her own opinions, and to express them. Public figures, such as
you, have platforms much larger than the average American's, which
provides you an extraordinary opportunity to have your views heard
- and an equally large obligation to act and speak responsibly,"
Petroskey wrote.
"We believe your very public criticism of President Bush at this
important - and sensitive - time in our nation's history helps
undermine the U.S. position, which ultimately could put our troops
in even more danger. As an institution, we stand behind our
President and our troops in this conflict."
Robbins and Sarandon, his longtime partner, have been active in
peace rallies to protest the war in Iraq.
In his letter, Robbins said he'd been looking forward to "a weekend
away from politics and war." He said he remained "skeptical" of the
war plans and told Petroskey he did not realize baseball was "a
Republican sport."
"I am sorry that you have chosen to use baseball and your position
at the Hall of Fame to make a political statement," Robbins wrote. "I
know there are many baseball fans that disagree with you, and even
more that will react with disgust to realize baseball is being
politicized.
"To suggest that my criticism of the President put the troops in
danger is absurd. ... I wish you had, in your letter, saved me the
rhetoric and talked honestly about your ties to the Bush and
Reagan administrations."
Robbins signed his letter with a reference to an old World Series
champion: "Long live democracy, free speech and the '69 Mets -
all improbable, glorious miracles that I have always believed in."
And from The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/sports/baseball/y11berkow.html
Sanford Manley
"Bill Schenley" <stra...@erie.net> wrote
This has NOTHING to do with the constitution.
I guess education about the constitution is on life support.
--
Sanford M. Manley
Weblog: http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/a/manley20/weblog.html
Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of being wrong.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
<stra...@erie.net> wrote:
>(AP) The baseball Hall of Fame has canceled a 15th anniversary
>celebration of the film "Bull Durham" because of anti-war
>criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, the
>shrine's president said.
>
>Hall president Dale Petroskey sent a letter to the actors this week,
>telling them the festivities April 26-27 at Cooperstown, N.Y., had
>been called off.
>
>Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under
>Ronald Reagan, said the actors' recent comments "ultimately could
>put our troops in even more danger."
>
>Reached Wednesday night, Robbins said he was "dismayed" by
>the decision. He responded with a letter he planned to send to
>Petroskey, telling him: "You belong with the cowards and
>ideologues in a hall of infamy and shame."
"Ideologues." Now that *is* a term that certainly strikes a huge gong
in this ng.
"Ideologues to the left of us, ideologues to the right of us. Into the
Valley of Knee-jerk Minds rode truth, common sense and independent
thinking."
ÿbob
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>(AP) The baseball Hall of Fame has canceled a 15th anniversary
>celebration of the film "Bull Durham" because of anti-war
>criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, the
>shrine's president said.
>
More left wingers who do not want ant consequences to their actions.
Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of history.......again.
Erik L.
Bill Schenley
> I guess education about the constitution is on life support.
I guess so ...
FROM: The New York Times:
"Is Petroskey saying that it's O.K. to dissent
as long as you don't have the large platform
that people like Robbins and Sarandon enjoy?
And what does it mean to 'act and speak
responsibly'? Should we all simply follow the
opinion of others? Is that American? Aren't our
soldiers fighting for freedom for the Iraqis, the
chance to institute a democratic government like
the one in this country that (oops) protects free
speech?"
And:
"In its mission statement, the Hall purports to be
an educational institution. If Petroskey represents
the Hall's thinking, one can only say: Some
education, some institution."
And:
"There is another Whitman line regarding baseball
- this one not cited in 'Bull Durham' - that goes:
"Well - it's our game; that's the chief fact in
connection with it: America's game; it has the snap,
go, fling of the American atmosphere; it belongs as
much to our institutions, fits into them as
significantly as our Constitution's laws; just as
important in the sum total of our historic life.
It is fitting that in the very last line in 'Bull Durham,'
Annie Savoy, again in voiceover after the Whitman
quotation about baseball being the American game,
says, 'You could look it up.' The line is from Casey
Stengel.
Maybe Petroskey was munching popcorn in the movie
house and missed the Whitman lines about baseball
symbolizing the American way. But it would be a
patriotic boon for him to take the cue from Casey, and
look it up."
Sanford, you probably think the Reagan/Bush/Republican
connection is just ... a coincidence. Right?
Sanford ... Dissent is as American ... as baseball.
Bill Schenley
> > anniversary celebration of the film "Bull Durham"
> > because of anti-war criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins
> > and Susan Sarandon, the shrine's president said.
> More left wingers who do not want ant consequences to
> their actions.
What? You people are going to plague us with ants next?
Bastards ... the lot of you.
> Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of
> history.......again.
Cool. Now when do *we* get free from this family of despots,
the Bushes?
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>"Robert Feigel (aka Bob)" <rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote in message
>news:s8pc9vk05pulp2j74...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:22:19 -0400, "Bill Schenley"
>> <stra...@erie.net> wrote:
>
>> >(AP) The baseball Hall of Fame has canceled a 15th anniversary
>> >celebration of the film "Bull Durham" because of anti-war
>> >criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, the
>> >shrine's president said.
>
>> >Hall president Dale Petroskey sent a letter to the actors this week,
>> >telling them the festivities April 26-27 at Cooperstown, N.Y., had
>> >been called off.
>
>> >Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under
>> >Ronald Reagan, said the actors' recent comments "ultimately could
>> >put our troops in even more danger."
>
> Oh, S-U-R-E their mere words in speaking out could do that all by
>themselves! Just like Eugene Debs who spoke out against WW1 and was
>promptly thrown in jail by that paragon of "Democracy" (and a Democrat!) +
>big-government Pres. Wilson and his
>running-wild-over-the-Constitution-and-1st Amendment A.G. [i.e., Ashcroft]
>of his day: A. Mitchell Palmer (1919-1921).
>
>> >Reached Wednesday night, Robbins said he was "dismayed" by
>> >the decision. He responded with a letter he planned to send to
>> >Petroskey, telling him: "You belong with the cowards and
>> >ideologues in a hall of infamy and shame."
>
> One of the few times I agree with Robbins on anything political, but
>the privately-owned Hall of Fame also has its right to conduct and run its
>own business the way it wants to. Such is the beauty of The Free Market!
>
>> "Ideologues." Now that *is* a term that certainly strikes a huge gong
>> in this ng.
>
> You've just been 'gonged'!
>
>> "Ideologues to the left of us, ideologues to the right of us. Into the
>> Valley of Knee-jerk Minds rode truth, common sense and independent
>> thinking."
>
> Love that satire!
>
> Can I make a small correction to the Header? It's DEAD, not on
>Life-Support. Esp. the all-important 9th Amendment and 10th Amendment.
> Citizens can now be thrown in jail (Patriot Act) for no reason at all
>except on the judgment and suspicion of the Executive and his A.G., and can
>languish in prison INDEFINITELY.
> Not convicted of anything, just on the SUSPICION of some activity.
> How's THAT grab you in the now United Socialist [Fascist, too!] America?
>
>> ÿbob
>
>
> Does that 'y' mean something special before your name, Bob?
A while back, someone this ng showed us how to type in special
characters (like alt+0255) and I liked the look of ÿ. Y? I don't know
Y. ;-)bob
Wendy Chatley Green
wrote:
:Cool. Now when do *we* get free from this family of despots,
:the Bushes?
As soon as enough people vote him against him in the next
Presidential election (assuming that he isn't re-elected).
Please make an effort to vote, whether for or against. Given
that most people living under "despotic" rule can't actually vote
their despot out, it's the least that you can do
--
Wendy Chatley Green
wcg...@cris.com
Cpl. O'Reilly
<islan...@aol.com> wrote:
> >From: "Bill Schenley"
>
> >(AP) The baseball Hall of Fame has canceled a 15th anniversary
> >celebration of the film "Bull Durham" because of anti-war
> >criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, the
> >shrine's president said.
> >
>
> More left wingers who do not want ant consequences to their actions.
Complete idiocy. Mindless, as bad as freedom fries and all the other
stupid crap. All anyone has to know about this story is this:
> Petroskey, a former White House assistant press secretary under
> Ronald Reagan
Petroskey is a crank and a prick, so he's probably perfect for the
baseball owners. What Robbins and Sarandon should do is immediately
organize a Bull Durham tribute in another place.
> Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of history.......again.
Iraq is still being blown up with great regularity. And you were born
on the wrong side of the blanket.
EvelynMcH
>this
>one. It's ridiculous and ignorant to claim that it is.
What happens when significant numbers of people, including quasi-officials,
decide that the only opinion allowed to be spoken in public is the one that
they hold?
The Constitution may not cease to exist, but, for all intents and purposes, it
is silenced. This is no different than those that spout "love it or leave it",
refusing to accept that it is a citizen's duty to express themselves in a
representational government.
There are plenty of laws on the books that are never enforced - I just never
thought that the First Amendment would be one of them.
-=>epm<=-
In matters of truth and justice,
there is no difference between large and small problems,
for issues concerning the treatment of people are all the same.
- Albert Einstein
Terrymelin
Except in the minds of delusional lefties?
A private organization has the right to engage or not engage anyone they wish
for whatever reason.
Is that a fundamental principle of the US that you just don't understand?
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
>stupid crap. All anyone has to know about this story is this:
Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins.
>Petroskey is a crank and a prick
Words more often used to describe the dynamic duo above.
Terry Ellsworth
Hyfler/Rosner
"EvelynMcH" <evel...@aol.com.no.junk> wrote in message
news:20030411090134...@mb-cn.aol.com...
> >Don't worry. The sky is not falling. The Constitution's in no danger from
> >this
> >one. It's ridiculous and ignorant to claim that it is.
>
> What happens when significant numbers of people, including
quasi-officials,
> decide that the only opinion allowed to be spoken in public is the one
that
> they hold?
>
> The Constitution may not cease to exist, but, for all intents and
purposes, it
> is silenced. This is no different than those that spout "love it or leave
it",
> refusing to accept that it is a citizen's duty to express themselves in a
> representational government.
>
> There are plenty of laws on the books that are never enforced - I just
never
> thought that the First Amendment would be one of them.
>
Nicely written.
The guy sent the letter to Robbins AND the Associated Press. The whole
damned thing was political. Maybe he was instructed by his old pals in
Washington to teach the commie bastard a lesson. Maybe he thinks he's being
patriotic. After all, people like that think *their* speech is perfectly
ok. It's the other guy they're not so sure about.
Either way, it's a form of blacklist and an abuse of power. About....the
film industry. Surprise, surprise. But here's the thing. Robbins is a
big shot and these days, he doesn't have to leave the country or hide or
wait until the dark period is over. He can fight back and I'm sure he will.
But what about the the rest of us. What about our opinions? What if
everyone stops expressing *any* opinion for fear that it won't be the right
one, causing paychecks and job offers to stop.
The terrorists will have won.
Terrymelin
>decide that the only opinion allowed to be spoken in public is the one that
>they hold?
I'm sorry but people who think that a private institution refusing to hire
someone who is controversial and whose views they find abhorrent to be an
abridgment of free speech as described in the US Constitution need to get their
heads examined.
>There are plenty of laws on the books that are never enforced - I just never
>thought that the First Amendment would be one of them.
Are you serious? Where is this so-called law "on the books?"
Boy, the ignorance of the American people -- especially those on the left --
never ceases to amaze.
Terry Ellsworth
Hyfler/Rosner
"Terrymelin" <terry...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030411093615...@mb-cc.aol.com...
> What the hell does this have to do with the US Constitution?
>
> Except in the minds of delusional lefties?
>
> A private organization has the right to engage or not engage anyone they
wish
> for whatever reason.
>
This private organization (with the help of public funds, I'm sure) is a
MUSEUM.. What would happen if the directors of museums all over the country
decided to behave in this way. In my opinion, that wouldn't say very much
for cultural expression.
Hyfler/Rosner
So? You're a crank, too. I'd defend your asinine comments all day long.
Remember--popular speech needs no defense. It amazes me that people have to
be reminded of this all the time.
Loki
<res0...@verizon.net> wrote:
>For some inexplicable reasons, "Bill Schenley" <stra...@erie.net>
>wrote:
>
>:Cool. Now when do *we* get free from this family of despots,
>:the Bushes?
>
> As soon as enough people vote him against him in the next
>Presidential election (assuming that he isn't re-elected).
Enough people did that in 2000. Unfortunately, in the eyes of the
Supreme Court, the voters chose the wrong candidate and took away
their right to choose their President.
Loki
Loki
<ra...@mash.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <20030411031442...@mb-fh.aol.com>, Erik L.
><islan...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> >From: "Bill Schenley"
>>
>> >(AP) The baseball Hall of Fame has canceled a 15th anniversary
>> >celebration of the film "Bull Durham" because of anti-war
>> >criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, the
>> >shrine's president said.
>> >
>>
>> More left wingers who do not want ant consequences to their actions.
>
>Complete idiocy. Mindless, as bad as freedom fries and all the other
>stupid crap. All anyone has to know about this story is this:
I read the quote you were responding to and wondered what kind of
idiot could say something that stupid. Then I read who wrote it and it
became clear.
Kill file the troll. Your quality of life will improve.
Loki
Loki
Only by twerps like you terry.
Subj: Re: DEATH WATCH: GOP Rule in Senate
Date: 5/23/01 3:20:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Terrymelin
To: Cubby77267
Go fuck yourself you fucking whore piece of shit.
And:
Subj: Re: DEATH WATCH: GOP Rule in Senate
Date: 5/23/01 9:24:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: terry...@aol.com (Terrymelin)
To: cubby...@aol.com
You're too much of a worthless whore to bother responding to.
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-terry's idea of intellectual debate.
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Sanford Manley
"Hyfler/Rosner" <rel...@rcn.com> wrote
Oh you mean the museums that exhibit "Piss Christ" and cover images
of the Madonna in shit and then claim freedom of expression? Great.
When one of them does something you do not agree with its threatening
freedom of speech, yet, using your twisted logic, I could easily claim that
they are threatening freedom of religion.
Wake up from your tired leftist propaganda.
Terrymelin
>MUSEUM.. What would happen if the directors of museums all over the country
>decided to behave in this way. In my opinion, that wouldn't say very much
>for cultural expression.
I have no idea. But it wouldn't have anything to do with the US Constitution.
And one could argue that museums all over the country already do this. Hardly a
one invites a conservative lecturer or features any contemporary art that
doesn't blaspheme some religion. So it's already happening -- but from your
side. And I guess that's OK.
Terry Ellsworth
Scott Brady
activities or political stances of private organizations?
James Hall
"Hyfler/Rosner" <rel...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:b76giu$8sd$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Ahhhh remember when Robbins' movie "Bob" hit the theatres and good olde
Bob, and yes Bob is Bob when spelled backwards, was just a-sittin' in his
customized wheelchiar just a-tappin' his feet like any backwoods yokel does
when a-strummin' some patriotic bullshit.
Ohhhhh the irony, ohhhhhhh the sarcasm, ohhhhhh fear not for those such as
T. Robbins do not and will not be "silenced" by any reichwingnut job.
And here is the true beauty of those like Robbins & "HIS" ilk - he will make
a bundle of moola-la-la-la when he "tells" you. ANd he will back it on the
backs of, and only on the backs of americaaaaaans - if not the reichwingnut
jobs then their children. So in his way Robbins is doin' it for the
children.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh the children - I ain't got any how about you, and you and
you and you HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
and so very very many only know how to BAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAA.
The strongest form, manner and/or matter of any ideal exists when one need
not
run about "proving" it exists.
JHall.
EvelynMcH
>never ceases to amaze.
The day that you comprehend what it means to be told you have no right to an
opinion, if you don't like things the way they are, leave, and all the rest of
the venom spewed at those who aren't the camp followers of the current
administration, maybe, maybe, you just might comprehend why this is odious.
I say maybe because I don't think that you are capable of thinking beyond the
big picture of yourself and your own.
You've proven time and time again that you are incapable of having a
conversation with anyone but those that agree with your world; you'd much
rather thrash your wit around in a self-important snit than talk. How sad for
you - there is an entire planet of people out there you'd rather sneer at than
grow up.
Dave B
"Sanford Manley" <manl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:db486998ab0098ff...@news.teranews.com...
Well said, and they were getting public funding to!
--
Dave B
It was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is
today.
PirateJohn
>as long as you don't have the large platform
>that people like Robbins and Sarandon enjoy?
As if Petroskey doesn't exactly have a large audience himself.
IMHO selfishly allowing politics to spill over into a non-political event. I
have trouble seeing liberal people doing the same thing, were they to be in
charge of the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Does this thing receive any public funding?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Bill Schenley
> > anniversary celebration of the film "Bull Durham"
> > because of anti-war criticism by co-stars Tim Robbins
> > and Susan Sarandon, the shrine's president said.
>
... that accepts government funding.
> has the right to celebrate whatever they want, whenever they
> want, for whatever reasons they want.
I understand. You mean they can take my tax dollars and then
tell me ... "We don't want your kind, here."
> The Constitution lives.
I didn't say it was dead. I wrote that it was "ON LIFE-SUPPORT."
I wrote life-support because I feel this is ... murky. Petroskey has
strong ties to the Bush administration. Does that mean the Bush
administration asked Petroskey to silence Robbins and Sarandon?
I don't know ... Maybe it's just another ... *coincidence*. ... But
this
"coincidence" crap ... and the Bush family ... is wearing kind of
thin.
PirateJohn
>right to shout their opinions (however ignorant they may be) to every
>available
>ear, they *don't* have a Constitutional right to use a) my radio license, b)
>my
>newspaper, c) my TV show, d) my record label, or e) my front porch
Funny Geno ... I thought it was a) *OUR* radio license.
Let's see the paperwork where you purchased a) a radio license, b)
a newspaper, c) a TV show, d) a record label, or e) a front porch.
On the subject of e) we'll let you slide.
Sure, it's not illegal to take back an invitation that was given by a private
organization, but it was tasteless. And unless Sarandon and Robbins are super
baseball fans I suspect that they won this argument. They got massive
publicity without having to travel to get it.
PirateJohn
>conversation with anyone but those that agree with your world
When you get right down to it, Ellsworth is as nutty as a junkyard mongrel with
brain damage. He's to be pittied.
Bill Schenley
> > despots, the Bushes?
> As soon as enough people vote him against him in the next
> Presidential election (assuming that he isn't re-elected).
Huh? Enough people voted against him the *last* time.
"Assuming that he isn't re-elected?" He wasn't *elected* in
the *last* election ... So how can he be ... "re-elected?"
> Please make an effort to vote, whether for or against.
Heh. Don't worry, I have never failed to vote. And despite
the Bush family coup ... despite these villains telling America,
indeed, the entire world, that one vote means nothing in the
United States ... I still have hope for this country ... So I'll vote
in the next election.
> Given that most people living under "despotic" rule can't
> actually vote their despot out, it's the least that you can do.
Heh ... You noticed that, too ...
Terrymelin
>opinion, if you don't like things the way they are, leave, and all the rest
>of
>the venom spewed at those who aren't the camp followers of the current
>administration, maybe, maybe, you just might comprehend why this is odious.
>
>I say maybe because I don't think that you are capable of thinking beyond the
>big picture of yourself and your own.
>
>You've proven time and time again that you are incapable of having a
>conversation with anyone but those that agree with your world; you'd much
>rather thrash your wit around in a self-important snit than talk. How sad for
>you - there is an entire planet of people out there you'd rather sneer at
>than
>grow up.
>
The amusing or scary thing is -- depending on one's perspective -- is that you
just exactly described your behavior in this discussion and most of that of the
far left.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
You can make the same dumb comment about Clinton -- since both times he ran
more people voted against him than his opponents. He never received more than
49% of the vote. He was still elected president so your snide comment is
meaningless.
Terry Ellsworth
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
I curious as to why anyone would even consider celebrating the 15th
anniversary of the movie Bull Durham in the first place? In addition, given
that this stupid story involves two things I detest; baseball players who
make way too much money for doing basically nothing, and movie stars who use
their notoriety to exhort their political agendas, it appears to non-issue.
Whoopie.
--
The Wiz ....
I suffer from deja vu and amnesia at the same
time. I think I have forgotten this before.
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
> > The Constitution lives.
>
> Wrong!
> Tell that lie to the 723,627 in 2001 arrested for marijuana. Not
> for murder, rape, robbery, assault, disturbing the peace, etc. Just
> arrested for marijuana 'crimes' which are almost ONE-HALF of all drug
> arrests in the US in 2001; the year foreign terrorists did actual
> damage to life and property.
Roy, you are truly brain dead, with no one around to remove you from life
support. When 723,627 are arrested for smoking or in possession of, a
*legalized* substance, then you would have a valid point.
The Kentucky Wizard
> agendas, it appears to be a "non-issue". Whoopie.
Typo correction.... (hehe)
Loki
The key difference (and that it is lost on you is not a surprise) is
that unlike W, none of Clinton's opponents got more votes than he did.
Loki
Erik L.
>What? You people are going to plague us with ants next?
>Bastards ... the lot of you.
Comedy is not your strong suit.
>Cool. Now when do *we* get free from this family of despots,
Once Hillary loses her reelection in NY we will be rid of them
Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of history.......again.
Erik L.
Erik L.
>He wasn't *elected* in
>the *last* election ... So how can he be ... "re-elected?"
Cool, that must mean that he can run in 2004 and 2008. Maybe by then teh damage
done to the presidency by the Arkansas scumbag can be fogotten..
Erik L.
have a right to be heard.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>Jerks liek sarandon and Robbins have a right to say what they want. They do not
>have a right to be heard.
Slipping in the spittle on your keyboard again?
>
>Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of history.......again.
>
>Erik L.
>
>
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"Terrymelin" >
> And one could argue that museums all over the country already do this.
Hardly a
> one invites a conservative lecturer or features any contemporary art that
> doesn't blaspheme some religion.
Hardly any museum in this country features contemporary art that doesn't
blaspheme some religion? Do you really honestly believe that? I just
visited your city's Contemporary Art Museum. You been there lately? It's a
terrific museum. There's lots of art there. All kinds. Photography.
Paintings. Sculpture. Video. You name it. Go there. You report back to
me how much blasphemous art there was.
As far as the conservative lecturer bullshit goes, I can't imagine how you
would know that. Oh wait, I forgot. You make this shit up. That's okay.
I'll still defend your right to do it.
Hyfler/Rosner
"Sanford Manley" <manl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:db486998ab0098ff...@news.teranews.com...
>
Yes, they claim freedom of expression. As well they should. Which is my
point. They're not threatening your right to practice your religion, are
they? You don't like it. Don't go. What twisted logic are you referring
to? Freedom of expression is not a partisan issue. And I'll repeat it.
Popular expression does not need much protection. Artists who go beyond
conventional expectations need all the protection we can give them. What if
someone told you that your idiotic weblog had to come down because they
didn't agree with your tone, manner and point of view. What if someone took
offense at your cross-eyed self-portrait?
Jeez, I've never heard the Bill of Rights called leftist propaganda before.
Sure, the Hall of Fame was within its rights. Bad form, though. Very bad.
Hyfler/Rosner
"James Hall" <jh...@cuic.ca> wrote in message
news:NPBla.1728$Tk4.94...@news.nnrp.ca...
Um, can someone tell me whether he was agreeing or disagreeing with me and
Evelyn?
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
Yea, like *he* even knows what he said.
Erik L.
>Slipping in the spittle on your keyboard again?
>>
How goes the sheep screwing on New Zealand these days?
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
Very droll. You should be a stand-up comic instead of wasting your
talent for repetitious repartee on alt.obituaries.
ÿbob
Erik L.
>Very droll
Thank You. New Zealand should be nuked for giving the world Russell Crowe and
Sam Neil.
Echoes
Try a six-pack of Bud and Cheetos and it starts to make sense.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>>From: "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
>
>>Very droll
>
>Thank You. New Zealand should be nuked for giving the world Russell Crowe and
>Sam Neil.
Another clever reply. You must have thousands of them.
Erik L.
>Another clever reply. You must have thousands of them.
I ahve more than you have brain cells. All I would need is three.
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
> > Yea, like *he* even knows what he said.
>
> Try a six-pack of Bud and Cheetos and it starts to make sense.
Hmmmm, me not consume fire-water, white man. Cheetos sounds good, but still
not enough to make ever make sense of stupid madman from the north. Me think
his rear was truly "Custer's Last Stand". How.
Echoes
>
> Upon receiving news that Echoes had made the remarks below, and after
> consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
> Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
> to the following conclusions:
>
> > > Yea, like *he* even knows what he said.
> >
> > Try a six-pack of Bud and Cheetos and it starts to make sense.
>
> Hmmmm, me not consume fire-water, white man. Cheetos sounds good, but still
> not enough to make ever make sense of stupid madman from the north. Me think
> his rear was truly "Custer's Last Stand". How.
LOL!
Cpl. O'Reilly
<stra...@erie.net> wrote:
> Robbins signed his letter with a reference to an old World Series
> champion: "Long live democracy, free speech and the '69 Mets -
> all improbable, glorious miracles that I have always believed in."
My new favorite actor.
EvelynMcH
(no, not mine) and I can tell you that that doesn't work.
-=>epm<=-
In matters of truth and justice,
there is no difference between large and small problems,
for issues concerning the treatment of people are all the same.
- Albert Einstein
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>>From: "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
>
>>Another clever reply. You must have thousands of them.
>
>I ahve more than you have brain cells. All I would need is three.
Your modesty is a measure of your intellect.
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
> Iraq is OCCUPADO (occupied) and is just as less-free and
> socialist-fascist as it was before the US armies occupied Iraq.
Perhaps it would be in your best interest, Roy, to ask any Iraqi citizen if
they agree with you that they are still "less-free".
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "Erik L." <islan...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030411185133...@mb-cd.aol.com...
> > > From: "Bill Schenley"
>
> > > He wasn't *elected* in
> > > the *last* election ... So how can he be ... "re-elected?"
>
> > Cool, that must mean that he can run in 2004 and 2008. Maybe by
> > then teh damage done to the presidency by the Arkansas scumbag can
> > be fogotten..
>
> In a pig's eye he can run in 2008! We'll be lucky to survive
> this WAR monger by Jan. 2005!
>
> > Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of
> > history.......again.
>
> Iraq is OCCUPADO (occupied) by a foreign country, so it isn't
> 'free', and will not be until the US Armies leave..
> The very same country that used Internationally-BANNED poison gas
> on the church that killed over 74 men, women, and little children in
> Waco, TX almost 10 years ago (Apr. 19).
Roy, just when was the last time you left your bunker? You know it's spring
now, don't you?
MadCow57
damned thing was political. Maybe he was instructed by his old pals in
Washington to teach the commie bastard a lesson. Maybe he thinks he's being
patriotic. After all, people like that think *their* speech is perfectly
ok. It's the other guy they're not so sure about.
Either way, it's a form of blacklist and an abuse of power.<< -- Hyfler/Rosner
Nonsense. Attempted double standard. Movie stars use their celebrity as a
soapbox for political rants, then get pissed off because a private organization
doesn't want to honor them.
Irony is fun.
James Hall
There is a hint if you read more.
"The Kentucky Wizard"
> ...
> > Iraq is OCCUPADO (occupied) and is just as less-free and
> > socialist-fascist as it was before the US armies occupied Iraq.
>
> Perhaps it would be in your best interest, Roy, to ask any Iraqi citizen
if
> they agree with you that they are still "less-free".
Instead of less-free may be it would be much better if you phrased the Iraqi
Occupation as allowing the citizens to be more-free like americans while
experiencing many situations that were found to exist in that once "more-
free" country of Japan during its occupation. Look what those japs went
and did as a thank you for all that wonderful new-found 1945 american
freedom - they have bought up half of your west coast, a bunch of a-rabs
and a few of their "frontmen" own the rest.
So is it true that wash. will be issuing americaaaan passaportas to all
those
arabs & kurds who kiss the feet of the americaaaaan firld commander
before swearing allegance to the covert operation labeled - Operation Plant
A shrubbery Of Peace ?
Just imagine a "new" group of murdering fascists to whine & dine thru the
long hot summer. Well at least everyone will know which line of politicin'
is in vogue, eh !
JHall.
Terrymelin
>visited your city's Contemporary Art Museum. You been there lately? It's a
>terrific museum. There's lots of art there. All kinds. Photography.
>Paintings. Sculpture. Video.
That musuem is a joke. A beautiful building filled with the world's crappiest
collection of vacuous contemporary art.
I guess it should come as no surprise that you enjoyed that. If you want to see
great art go to the Norton Simon.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
>would know that. Oh wait, I forgot. You make this shit up. That's okay.
>I'll still defend your right to do it.
>
That's always the typical leftist argument ''
we have no arguments to make and can't defend our ridiculous positions so we'll
just pretend."
You know -- it gets old.
Terry Ellsworth
Cpl. O'Reilly
Sanford Manley <manl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Hyfler/Rosner" <rel...@rcn.com> wrote
> >
> > "Terrymelin" <terry...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20030411093615...@mb-cc.aol.com...
> > > What the hell does this have to do with the US Constitution?
> > >
> > > Except in the minds of delusional lefties?
> > >
> > > A private organization has the right to engage or not engage anyone they
> > wish
> > > for whatever reason.
> > >
> >
> > This private organization (with the help of public funds, I'm sure) is a
> > MUSEUM.. What would happen if the directors of museums all over the country
> > decided to behave in this way. In my opinion, that wouldn't say very much
> > for cultural expression.
>
> Oh you mean the museums that exhibit "Piss Christ" and cover images
> of the Madonna in shit and then claim freedom of expression? Great.
> When one of them does something you do not agree with its threatening
> freedom of speech, yet, using your twisted logic, I could easily claim that
> they are threatening freedom of religion.
>
> Wake up from your tired leftist propaganda.
Piss Christ was an exhibit in one museum in the 1980s. The Madonna
thing was in Brooklyn in the 1990s. You can prove anything if you keep
pulling extreme examples out of your ass as if they were common, and
not isolated events from ten and twenty years ago. This is the best
you can do? Maybe you should try listening to some other hate-radio
hack.
And when did freedom of expression become leftist?
Loki
Fraid it will never get old as long as it remains true terry. You are
a liar, always have been, and wouldn't know the truth if it showed up
at your door with "TRUTH" written all over it.
Loki
Hyfler/Rosner
> >I just
> >visited your city's Contemporary Art Museum. You been there lately?
It's a
> >terrific museum. There's lots of art there. All kinds. Photography.
> >Paintings. Sculpture. Video.
>
> That musuem is a joke. A beautiful building filled with the world's
crappiest
> collection of vacuous contemporary art.
As usual, you didn't answer my question. Why am I not surprised.
doc
I have determined that Mr. Ellsworth's definition of "leftist" is
anyone who causes him the slightest annoyance or displeasure,
irrespective of political orientation.
What is tiresome, in the extreme, is his gratuitous red-baiting. If
he is indeed younger than forty, I grieve for the future of this
country. There are too many of these young adult neo-con types
spouting their elitist venon to all who will tolerate it.
What is most offensive about their party line is an almost Calvinist
sense of divine election. Someday this adolescent denial of mortality
(and accountability) will lead us to a place where angels fear to
tread...
But, of course, it will be the fault of those damn "leftists.."
Hyfler/Rosner
Calder,Alexander
American, 1892-1972
Brass in the Sky
1947
Calder,Alexander
American, 1898-1976
Polychrome and Horizontal Bluebird
1954
Close,Chuck
American, b. 1940
Cindy
1988
Dubuffet,Jean
French, 1901-1985
La Verrue sous le nez (Wart Under the Nose)
1951
Hyfler/Rosner
Ernst,Max
French, b. Germany, 1891-1976
Loplop Introducing a Bird
1929/57
Golub,Leon
American, b. 1922
Mercenaries I
1979
Gursky,Andreas
German, b. 1955
Chicago Board of Trade II
1999
Holzer,Jenny
American, b. 1950
Truisms
1983
Johns,Jasper
American, b. 1930
In Memory of My Feelings - Frank O'Hara
1961
Judd,Donald
American, 1928-1994
Untitled (August 28, 1970)
1970
Kiefer,Anselm
German, b. 1945
Kat (Banner)
1990
Hyfler/Rosner
LeWitt,Sol
American, b. 1928
Serial Project, Set D
1966
Magritte,Rene
Belgian, 1898-1967
Les merveilles de la nature (The Wonders of Nature)
1953
Marden,Brice
American, b. 1938
Grove Group V
1976
Matta (Roberto Matta-Echaurren),
French, b. Chile, 1911
A Grave Situation
1946
Oldenburg,Claes
American, b. Sweden, 1929
Green Beans
1964
Ruscha,Ed
American, b. 1937
Sunset Strip 1-6
1965-1995
Salle,David
American, b. 1952
Din
1984
Schnabel,Julian
American, b. 1951
Aorta
1981
Segal,George
American, b. 1924
Man in Bar
1969
Sherman,Cindy
American, b. 1954
Untitled Film Still, #14
1978
Struth,Thomas
German, b. 1954
Kunsthistorisches Museum I, Wien (Art History Museum I, Vienna)
1989 (big exhibit at the Metropolitan at the moment, great
stuff)
Warhol,Andy
American, 1930-1987
Troy Diptych
1962
Hyfler/Rosner
Oh yeah. There's an exhibit at the moment called "War (What is it good
for?)."
EvelynMcH
Because it is something he can't suppress in others.
EvelynMcH
>sense of divine election. Someday this adolescent denial of mortality
>(and accountability) will lead us to a place where angels fear to
>tread...
>
>But, of course, it will be the fault of those damn "leftists.."
I've been finding all this both disturbing and amusing at the same time. I've
always been both very much a pragmatist and moderate, and all of a sudden I am
being accused of being somewhere out there among the communists. Shows how far
to the right things have shifted when being disturbed at the attempts to
silence speech get you denounced as a wild-eyed liberal.
I will admit to having a lot of fun with those that are preaching all over the
place about how God is on their side. Ask them if this means that their
mythology can beat up the other guy's mythology, and watch'em start foaming at
the mouth.
Terrymelin
>
You asked a question? What was it?
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
>American, 1892-1972
>Brass in the Sky
>1947
>
>Calder,Alexander
>American, 1898-1976
>Polychrome and Horizontal Bluebird
>1954
>
>Close,Chuck
>American, b. 1940
>Cindy
>1988
>
>Dubuffet,Jean
>French, 1901-1985
>La Verrue sous le nez (Wart Under the Nose)
>1951
>
Four worthwile pieces (OK, only three) in an entire museum? You proved my
point.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
2 out of 7 ain't a good batting average.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
doesn't share their narrow opinions as a Nazi, fascist, or reichwinger.
Pot, Kettle, Black.
Terry Ellsworth
Sanford Manley
"Cpl. O'Reilly" <ra...@mash.com.invalid> wrote
> >
> > of the Madonna in shit and then claim freedom of expression? Great.
> > When one of them does something you do not agree with its threatening
> > freedom of speech, yet, using your twisted logic, I could easily claim that
> > they are threatening freedom of religion.
> >
> > Wake up from your tired leftist propaganda.
>
>
> Piss Christ was an exhibit in one museum in the 1980s. The Madonna
> thing was in Brooklyn in the 1990s. You can prove anything if you keep
> pulling extreme examples out of your ass as if they were common, and
> not isolated events from ten and twenty years ago. This is the best
> you can do? Maybe you should try listening to some other hate-radio
> hack.
I am not the one who made extreme examples. A private organization
made a decision. Whether that was good or not has nothing to do
with constitutionality. If someone who owned a restaurant published
a racist newspaper (and I have seen it happen) would you be "censoring"
them if you didn't want to eat at their place? Sarandon and Robbins allegedly
provide services due to their celebrity and talent. People are equally free
to not employ them if there is a rationale that does not violate civil rights
laws.
Your argument is emotional, the original article was intended as an
emotional article and has no factual basis. You may of course, argue
that it is ill advised, unfair, or you may preferentially hire Sarandon and
Robbins yourself.
--
Sanford M. Manley
Weblog: http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/a/manley20/weblog.html
Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of being wrong.
Bill Schenley
> > The guy sent the letter to Robbins AND the Associated Press.
> > The whole damned thing was political. Maybe he was
> > instructed by his old pals in Washington to teach the commie
> > bastard a lesson. Maybe he thinks he's being patriotic. After
> > all, people like that think *their* speech is perfectly ok. It's
the
> > other guy they're not so sure about.
> > Either way, it's a form of blacklist and an abuse of power.
> Nonsense. Attempted double standard. Movie stars use their
> celebrity as a soapbox for political rants, then get pissed off
> because a private organization doesn't want to honor them.
How Republican of you. Maybe you forgot ... this is a "private
organization" that accepts government funding ... and then decides
who will see what ... when. Being a Republican, you probably
don't see how offensive that is. Not withstanding, his Reagan/Bush
connections.
When Robbins, in the past, has been asked *not* to politicize an
event, he has complied. IIRC, at the Oscar's, Robbins and Sarandon
only flashed peace signs (of course, I understand how offensive
that can be to a Republican). It was not Robbins who politicized this
event. It was Petroskey. He sent his letter to Robbins *and* the AP
Wire Service.
> Irony is fun.
What a coincidence, D.
Erik L.
>Date: 4/11/2003 11:38 PM Eastern
> In a pig's eye he can run in 2008!
Why not Roy? The wacko left says he wasn't elected in 2000 so that means he is
entitled to be elected twice and sinc that coward Gore hasn't got the guts to
take but whta shoud, ha ha, be rightfully his....
Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of history.......again.
Erik L.
Erik L.
>Nonsense. Attempted double standard. Movie stars use their celebrity as a
>soapbox for political rants, then get pissed off because a private
>organization
>doesn't want to honor them.
A grand slam home run for MC.
Erik L.
> I'd say you are an absolute asshole:
I would rather be called an asshole by you than a Libertarian Party member by
anyone.
> Iraq is OCCUPADO (occupied) by a foreign country, and is just as
>socialist-fascist as it was before the US Armies occupied it.
Dream On Roy. Is it hard living vicariously through Dick Van Dyke, a person who
has NEVER been funny?
Erik L.
> You're the expert. YOU tell him.
>
I have no idea. I have never been afflicted with being in New Zealand.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>>From: "Rob Petrie" r*@att.net
>
>> You're the expert. YOU tell him.
>>
>
>I have no idea. I have never been afflicted with being in New Zealand.
Perhaps you *should* spend some time away from your computer, Erik.
You know, get out and see something of the *real* world. Meet people.
Discuss ideas. Have some new and different experiences. Open your eyes
... and mind. Who knows, you might even learn something new in the
process.
ÿbob
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Erik L.
>Perhaps you *should* spend some time away from your computer, Erik.
>You know, get out and see something of the *real* world. Meet people.
>Discuss ideas. Have some new and different experiences.
I have been to 37 US States.13 left to go. My country is so great I have no
interest in see third world shitholes like New Zealand.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>>From: "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
>
>>Perhaps you *should* spend some time away from your computer, Erik.
>>You know, get out and see something of the *real* world. Meet people.
>>Discuss ideas. Have some new and different experiences.
>
>I have been to 37 US States.13 left to go. My country is so great I have no
>interest in see third world shitholes like New Zealand.
Thank you. That explains more than you'll ever know.
I've heard of certain individuals referred to as 'anal retentive'. In
your case, however, simply 'anal' will suffice.
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
Because, regardless of the political crap that each side has been trying to
slap the other side with, which resembles an idiot trying to push a chain
uphill, Bush has served at least 2 years of a term as president, which
prevents him from running for more than one additional term as president.
--
The Wiz ....
I suffer from deja vu and amnesia at the same
time. I think I have forgotten this before.
Erik L.
>I've heard of certain individuals referred to as 'anal retentive'. In
>your case, however, simply 'anal' will suffice.
This from a guy who left the greatest in teh history of the world and went to
New Zealand.
Erik L.
>Bush has served at least 2 years of a term as president, which
>prevents him from running for more than one additional term as president.
Yes Wiz, I know that. I am trying to confuse the left wing crazies which is not
too hard.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>>From: "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
>
>>I've heard of certain individuals referred to as 'anal retentive'. In
>>your case, however, simply 'anal' will suffice.
>
>This from a guy who left the greatest in teh history of the world and went to
>New Zealand.
And this from a guy who has never ventured outside the United States
because it would be unpatriotic? You are truly an ignorant little
person and eminently worthy of the title of "Ugly American."
Erik L.
>And this from a guy who has never ventured outside the United States
>because it would be unpatriotic?
Never said that. America first, long before third world holes like New Zealand.
>You are truly an ignorant little
>person
Im not little. Im 6 foot 5
> eminently worthy of the title of "Ugly American
Better than being a former american like you Sir Putz.
Loki
<rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote:
>On 13 Apr 2003 01:04:09 GMT, islan...@aol.com (Erik L.) wrote:
>
>>>From: "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
>>
>>>I've heard of certain individuals referred to as 'anal retentive'. In
>>>your case, however, simply 'anal' will suffice.
>>
>>This from a guy who left the greatest in teh history of the world and went to
>>New Zealand.
>
>And this from a guy who has never ventured outside the United States
>because it would be unpatriotic? You are truly an ignorant little
>person and eminently worthy of the title of "Ugly American."
I think that in his case, ugly virgin says it all. What I am wondering
is what the Hell is meant by "This from a guy who left the greatest in
teh history of the world".
What is "the greatest in teh"?
Loki
Erik L.
>What is "the greatest in teh"?
See the obsession with me continues. I pity you Loki.
Erik L.
See John. This loser just cannot stop thinking about me.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>>From: "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
>
>>And this from a guy who has never ventured outside the United States
>>because it would be unpatriotic?
>
>Never said that. America first, long before third world holes like New Zealand.
So ... having never ventured outside of the United States, on what do
you base such vehement opinions about countries you've never visited?
>>You are truly an ignorant little
>>person
>
>Im not little. Im 6 foot 5
With an even bigger mouth. It's the scope of your mind to which I was
referring.
>
>> eminently worthy of the title of "Ugly American
>
>Better than being a former american like you Sir Putz.
Another totally wrong call, worthy only of an unworthy person such as
yourself. Not that factual errors like this have ever bothered you
before. Like Mr Ellsworth, truth is the only impediment to your being
right.
Erik L.
>So ... having never ventured outside of the United States,
Again I never said that either.
>what do
>you base such vehement opinions about countries you've never visited?
People from all over the world are banging down the door to get in here. If
other countries were so wonderful, large numbers of people who emigrated to the
US would have stayed where they were.
>With an even bigger mouth.
My mouth is more the 6 feet 5 or is that just part of you fantasy about me?
>Like Mr Ellsworth, truth is the only impediment to your being
>right.
I have never met Terry and doubt I ever will.
Terrymelin
>because it would be unpatriotic? You are truly an ignorant little
>person and eminently worthy of the title of "Ugly American."
>ÿbob
>
Hey, put away those machetes and leave the Maori alone.
Terry Ellsworth
The Kentucky Wizard
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
> I have never met Terry and doubt I ever will.
Well shit, I was hoping to catch up with you guys at the next scheduled
hanging. ;-)~
*damn*
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
>>From: "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
>
>>So ... having never ventured outside of the United States,
>
>Again I never said that either.
Nor did you say you'd ventured outside of the United States. "I have
been to 37 US States.13 left to go. My country is so great I have no
interest in see third world shitholes like New Zealand." Does that
sound like a statement by someone who has ventured out of his own
small world?
>>what do
>>you base such vehement opinions about countries you've never visited?
You still haven't answered the question. On what do you base such
vehement opinions about countries you've never visited?
>People from all over the world are banging down the door to get in here. If
>other countries were so wonderful, large numbers of people who emigrated to the
>US would have stayed where they were.
You are right. People from all over the world DO want to immigrate to
the US. And some, like the New Zealand doctors, nurses,
physiotherapists, scientists, teachers, etc who have been actively and
aggressively headhunted by American institutions, some take advantage
of the very attractive financial inducements offered. Conversely, I
have been fielding scores of inquiries from friends, acquaintances.
former colleagues and complete strangers about immigrating to NZ.
Swings and roundabouts, mate. Learn to live with it.
>>With an even bigger mouth.
>
>My mouth is more the 6 feet 5 or is that just part of you fantasy about me?
Like I said, big mouth, small intellect.
>>Like Mr Ellsworth, truth is the only impediment to your being
>>right.
>
>I have never met Terry and doubt I ever will.
Not that this is any loss to humanity, but I'd guess that you two are
far too alike to ever get along. Besides, if one of you disagreed with
the other, then who'd be the leftist scum?
>Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of history.......again.
Arguably, Iraq may be better off and my hope is that it will be in the
long run. But Iraq is not free and if you were honest you'd admit it.
Harry Krause
Iraq isn't free, crap-for-brains. All that has happened there is that
we've replaced a despot with anarchy. Is that your idea of free?
Erik L.
>Well shit, I was hoping to catch up with you guys at the next scheduled
>hanging. ;-)~
Being from Kentucky wiz, you are more likely to know the hanging schedule than
I am.
Erik L.
>Does that
>sound like a statement by someone who has ventured out of his own
>small world?
It does ot matter what it sounds like. I never said what you claim I did.
>On what do you base such
>vehement opinions about countries you've never visited?
>
Again, if thes other countries were so wonderful, the people who live there
would stay.
>Conversely, I
>have been fielding scores of inquiries from friends, acquaintances.
>former colleagues and complete strangers about immigrating to NZ
Anyone who emigrates from the uS should never be allowed back.
>But Iraq is not free and if you were honest you'd admit it.
Iraq is free, free, free.
Iraq is free. The leftists are on the wrong side of history.......again.
Erik L.