OT: Leo [Pancho in TV's 'The Cisco Kid'] Carrillo's former ranch a public park
Hoodude
8/19/2003
http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2003/08/19/tv_stars_former_ranch_a_public_park
CARLSBAD, Calif. -- A historic ranch built by 1950s television star
Leo Carrillo was given new life over the weekend when it made its
debut as a public park.
Adobe buildings and other structures on the 27-acre parcel were
restored by a nonprofit organization, helped in part by $5 million
from the city of Carlsbad.
Carrillo, a stage and film actor most famous for his role as Pancho in
the TV series "The Cisco Kid," built the ranch in the 1930s as a
Hollywood getaway. Clark Gable reportedly honeymooned there with his
actress-bride Carole Lombard.
Carrillo's ancestors were among San Diego's founding families. The
girlhood home of his grandmother, Josefa Bandini, is preserved as the
Casa de Bandini restaurant in San Diego's Old Town State Park.
After Carrillo died in 1961 at age 81, his daughter sold off part of
the ranch. Before her death in 1978, she sold the rest of it to a
development company.
The company in turn donated 27 acres to Carlsbad under a state law
requiring developers to dedicate part of their properties for public
parkland.
James Neibaur
dig_infinity!@yahoo.com wrote on 8/20/03 12:31 PM:
> TV star's former ranch a public park
(snip)
This was very interesting for an old Cisco Kid fan like me. Thanks for
sharing.
JN
James Neibaur
at r*@att.net wrote on 8/20/03 2:54 PM:
> This guy was already 69 when he played 'Pancho' in 1950.
> I had no idea he was that old then!
Yes indeed. It surprised me when I first found that out. I did an
interview with Duncan Renaldo shortly before his death in 1980. The piece
was published and I sent him a tearsheet. He responded with a very nice
letter, and died one week later. I just made it!
JN
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
wrote:
Mr Carrillo was a friend of my step-dad's and used to drive his famous
'woody' convertible over for visits to our neighbourhood (where he'd
visit a couple of friends). There's a picture of his car, complete
with steer head, on my website on this page (scroll down to bottom):
<http://www.earthsea.co.nz/surfwriter/cruisin1.htm>.
ÿbob
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Tregembo
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Does anyone know if the park and street in Santa Barbara named after Leo? a
family member? or not connected?
Ray Arthur
James Neibaur
Bob) at rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed wrote on 8/20/03 3:46 PM:
> Mr Carrillo was a friend of my step-dad's and used to drive his famous
> 'woody' convertible over for visits to our neighbourhood (where he'd
> visit a couple of friends). There's a picture of his car, complete
> with steer head, on my website on this page (scroll down to bottom):
> <http://www.earthsea.co.nz/surfwriter/cruisin1.htm>.
Interesting, Bob. Thanks for sharing that.
JN
Bill Schenley
> to drive his famous 'woody' convertible over for visits
> to our neighbourhood (where he'd visit a couple of
> friends). There's a picture of his car, complete with
> steer head, on my website on this page (scroll down
> to bottom):
> <http://www.earthsea.co.nz/surfwriter/cruisin1.htm>.
Okay, so I'm reading your site ... and I noticed there was
nothing about Jeff Ho or the Zephyr Surfing Team.
What's up with that? You're a Santa Monica boy ... and
you leave out the Dogtown kids? POP and Bay Street?
Rich Clancey
+ Does anyone know if the park and street in Santa Barbara named after Leo? a
+ family member? or not connected?
I thought the street was Cabrillo, not Carillo, but it's been
a long time since I've been there.
On the coast highway between Santa Barbara and Lozzangeles,
there is a sign directing people to "Leo Carillo State
Park". It's at least 35 years old that I know. Is this a
different State Park? (It's the same Leo Carillo).
--
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see because we happen to have eyes." -- Leibniz
James Neibaur
r...@shell01.TheWorld.com wrote on 8/20/03 5:31 PM:
> On the coast highway between Santa Barbara and Lozzangeles,
> there is a sign directing people to "Leo Carillo State
> Park". It's at least 35 years old that I know. Is this a
> different State Park? (It's the same Leo Carillo).
I am learning more about Leo Carillo today than I had known for the past
thirty years.
JN
Bob Champ
There is almost nothing worse you can do than to hand over a piece of
land to a development company.
I remember "The Cisco Kid" (based on O'Henry short stories) quite
well. Duncan Reynaldo (Cisco) and Carrillo (Pancho) had real
chemistry; and their closing segment, usually commenting humorously on
something that had happened during the show and ending with the
shouted promise "See you soon!" as the two road off into the sunset,
was just about as perfect as a sign-off could get.
Wonderful show. Really, I feel sorry for kids today who will never see
shows of this quelity made for them.
Bob Champ
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Tregembo
"Rich Clancey" <r...@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote in message
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> Tregembo done wrote:
>
> + Does anyone know if the park and street in Santa Barbara named after
Leo? a
> + family member? or not connected?
>
> I thought the street was Cabrillo, not Carillo, but it's been
> a long time since I've been there.
There are both.
>
> On the coast highway between Santa Barbara and Lozzangeles,
> there is a sign directing people to "Leo Carillo State
> Park". It's at least 35 years old that I know. Is this a
> different State Park? (It's the same Leo Carillo).
> rich clancey
That's the park I was wondering about.
Ray
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
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Well, Bill ... if figure those skinny young Z-fellahs can write their
own myths if they want. Maybe even make a movie. Besides, I've already
taught them all they know.
˙bobz
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Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
<r...@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:
>Tregembo done wrote:
>
>+ Does anyone know if the park and street in Santa Barbara named after Leo? a
>+ family member? or not connected?
>
> I thought the street was Cabrillo, not Carillo, but it's been
> a long time since I've been there.
>
> On the coast highway between Santa Barbara and Lozzangeles,
> there is a sign directing people to "Leo Carillo State
> Park". It's at least 35 years old that I know. Is this a
> different State Park? (It's the same Leo Carillo).
There is a Leo Carrillo State Beach (at the mouth of Santa Monica
Canyon), a Leo Carrillo State Park in Santa Monica Canyon *and* a Leo
Carrillo Ranch (soon to become the Leo Carrillo Historic Ranch Park in
Carlsbad, CA (San Diego County). Here's a blurb from a website I
found:
August 15, 2003
Rotary Helps Leo Carrillo Historic Ranch Park
Carlsbad Hi-Noon Rotarians, Dave Kulchin, Past President and Michael
Bardin, Past Community Director, presented a check for $1,000.00 to
Alan Kindale, President of the "Friends of (Leo) Carrillo Ranch," to
be used for the new Leo Carrillo Historic Ranch Park "Art & California
History" program.
The "Friends", a non-profit group of volunteers, created and manage
the art program. These volunteers teach about Leo Carrillo and his
ranch, Los Kiotes, as a part of California’s history. The art lessons
reflect the students’ impression of Carrillo and his ranch in oils and
pastels.
In 2003, 1,000 Carlsbad students in fourth grade from 34 classes in 11
schools in three districts were given these lessons. Future classes
will be held in the Park. The children’s winning art works
"Best-Of-Class", for 2003, in this their sixth year of classes, are
shown at a www.carrillo-ranch.org.
The City of Carlsbad spent nearly 5 million dollars in the development
of Leo Carrillo Historic Ranch Park. The Grand Opening is at 6200
Flying LC Lane (Carrillo’s brand was a winged C encircling an L), off
Melrose Drive on Carrillo Way. The date is Saturday, August 16, 2003,
10:00 AM to 4:00 PM, with food, entertainment, demonstrations, and
children’s activities.
Leo Carrillo was descended from a long-established, aristocratic
California family whose heritage goes back to the conquistadores. In
the late eighteenth century (1769) when Spanish soldiers and
missionaries arrived to establish San Diego, the California’s mission
system was born. Leo Carrillo’s great-great-grandfather, José Raimundo
Carrillo rode with Father Junipero Serra as he started the Mission
chain. Later, he became the first provisional governor of California.
Carrillo’s Grandparents lived in San Diego’s Old Town. Josefa, his
grandmother, came from the famous Bandini family.
Carrillo (1880-1961) was born in Los Angeles. Carrillo appeared in 15
stage plays, some on Broadway, and more than 90 motion pictures but,
his greatest fame came from his portrayal of Pancho, the mischievous
sidekick to the Cisco Kid, a 1950s television series.
Carrillo was active in California politics and civic affairs and, he
was in charge of the annual Fiesta de Santa Barbara. We remember with
warm feelings how he always gave his love and time to be available for
parades and being close to the people of this state. No wonder
Carrillo was known as "Mister California," a perfect host and our
Ambassador of Goodwill. For many years, Carlsbad was his home. It was
there, he built his version of the "Rancheros and Haciendas" of the
Spanish days in San Diego County.
The land parcel, the Agua Hedionda Land Grant was originally over
13,000 acres. Carrillo acquired 1,700 of these acres for $17.00 an
acre. He added land until his ranch included 2,538 acres of land that
was covered with shrubbery and massive trees. Screeching sounds were
heard all over the ranch from an abundance of peacocks. The current
park covers only 27 acres.
Leo Carrillo most often played the part of a fool but he was actually
an intelligent, literate man. He was one of our most influential and
avid environmentalists, conservationist and historic preservationist.
Carrillo was a Founding Director of the Los Angeles State and County
Arboretum in Arcadia. His favorite projects included the purchase and
restoration of the Olvera Street Adobe in Los Angeles and the creation
of the Anza-Borrego Dessert State Park in San Diego County.
After Justice Earl Warren’s successful race for Governor, with
Carrillo as his campaign manager, Warren appointed him Commissioner of
State Beaches and Parks where he served for 18 years. Commissioner
Carrillo’s greatest socio-cultural achievement was the acquisition of
San Simeon the truly awesome Hearst Castle north of Cambria.
Carrillo’s contributions were recognized by a stretch of beach near
Malibu, named in his honor, as Leo Carrillo State Park and Leo
Carrillo State Beach.
Leo Carrillo Ranch Historic Park is far from finished. The Friends of
the ranch are eagerly awaiting the construction of a 60 seat theater
to show Carrillo’s films and other educational programs. It is
estimated the ranch will be done between 2015 and 2020.
Story submitted by Delta Collins.
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
<r...@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:
>Tregembo done wrote:
>
>+ Does anyone know if the park and street in Santa Barbara named after Leo? a
>+ family member? or not connected?
>
> I thought the street was Cabrillo, not Carillo, but it's been
> a long time since I've been there.
>
> On the coast highway between Santa Barbara and Lozzangeles,
> there is a sign directing people to "Leo Carillo State
> Park". It's at least 35 years old that I know. Is this a
> different State Park? (It's the same Leo Carillo).
The Story of Leo Carrillo's Rancho <http://www.carrillo-ranch.org>
Actor, preservationist and conservationist Leo Carrillo (1880-1961)
was born in Los Angeles. But his beginnings were in San Diego's Old
Town where his grandparents Josefa (Bandini) and Boston-educated Pedro
Carrillo, were married, maintained their residence and raised a large
family. As a wedding gift, Governor Pio Pico awarded them title to
Coronado Island which they sold 23 years later for $1,000. As Leo
jokingly observed, "I think the family let it go too soon."
As an entertainer Leo was highly successful, appearing in 15 major
stage plays (several on Broadway) and more than 90 motion pictures in
which he was featured in supporting or character roles. He worked with
the very biggest stars in the Hollywood galaxy. However, Leo's
greatest fame came from his portrayal of Pancho, the mischievous
sidekick to Duncan Renaldo's Cisco Kid in a pioneering television
series of the early 1950's.
Shot entirely in color - a first in tv production - its 156
action-western episodes ran for six enormously popular years. (The
Cisco Kid was based on an O. Henry short story which in turn was drawn
from Cervantes' Don Quixote. In this classic Spanish novel the
sidekick was named Sancho Panza.)
As his showmanship blossomed Leo experienced parallel success as a
politically well-connected supporter of recreational and cultural
resources for the public. He served 18 years on the California Beaches
and Parks Commission and the Leo Carrillo State Park near Malibu is
named in his honor. He was a key factor in the development of the Los
Angeles Olvera Street complex, the Los Angeles Arboretum and the
Anza-Borrego Desert State Park. Most notably, his personal
relationship with the family led to the acquisition of the exquisite
Hearst Castle at San Simeon. He toured the world as the state's
official Ambassador of Good Will. Small wonder Governor Edmund G.
Brown called Leo "Mr. California."
At the peak of his film career Leo felt an intense yearning to find a
retreat where he could re-create an Old California-style working
rancho, an important cultural asset he felt was rapidly dying out. In
1937 he came across the Rancho de Los Kiotes in what is now southeast
Carlsbad and which was once owned by the Kelly family, very large,
long-standing landowners in the area. Leo quickly snapped up his first
840 acres for $65,000 or $77 per acre. He immediately began
construction of 18 structures necessary for his ranch operations and,
over time, increased his spread to 2,538 acres.
In 1977 the city acquired a tiny 10.5 acre remnant that contained and
protected the most critical original buildings. Thanks to a state
preservation grant and matching funds contributed by local civic
organizations, some of the buildings were seismic retrofitted and
partially restored in 1992. A $4.7 million catch-up round of
restoration is now in progress.
A Park Master Plan has been approved by the Carlsbad City Council for
eventual creation of the totally unique Leo Carrillo Ranch Historic
Park. A required transfer of 16.4 acres from contiguous residential
developers has expanded the future Park site to 27 acres.
Leo Carrillo Ranch has the potential to become an extraordinary
educational and passive recreational resource, the envy of all
Californians, and a visitor destination.
MadCow57
How many of us read that and wondered if there's an emoticon for "punch in the
arm"?
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
<rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:31:10 +0000 (UTC), Rich Clancey
><r...@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote:
>
>>Tregembo done wrote:
>>
>>+ Does anyone know if the park and street in Santa Barbara named after Leo? a
>>+ family member? or not connected?
>>
>> I thought the street was Cabrillo, not Carillo, but it's been
>> a long time since I've been there.
>>
>> On the coast highway between Santa Barbara and Lozzangeles,
>> there is a sign directing people to "Leo Carillo State
>> Park". It's at least 35 years old that I know. Is this a
>> different State Park? (It's the same Leo Carillo).
>
>There is a Leo Carrillo State Beach (at the mouth of Santa Monica
>Canyon), a Leo Carrillo State Park in Santa Monica Canyon *and* a Leo
>Carrillo Ranch (soon to become the Leo Carrillo Historic Ranch Park in
>Carlsbad, CA (San Diego County). Here's a blurb from a website I
>found:
And just when you thought you'd heard everything you ever wanted to
know about Leo Carrillo parks, there's MORE ...
I was WRONG! The parks in Santa Monica are "Will Rogers State Beach"
and "Will Rogers State Park." Leo Carrillo State Beach & Park are
located in Malibu just north of Decker Canyon. It is approx 25 miles
north of Santa Monica and around a third of a mile south of the
LA/Ventura County Line. How I could forget one of my favourite surfing
spots (aka Arroyo Sequit, aka Secos)?!?
ÿbob
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Hoodude
<rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote:
>Mr Carrillo was a friend of my step-dad's and used to drive his famous
>'woody' convertible over for visits to our neighbourhood (where he'd
>visit a couple of friends). There's a picture of his car, complete
>with steer head, on my website on this page (scroll down to bottom):
><http://www.earthsea.co.nz/surfwriter/cruisin1.htm>.
Interesting webpage; thanks for posting the link. I noticed, however,
that you spelled Carillo's character name incorrectly, you have
"Poncho" when it is actually, Pancho.
I also noticed the car under the heading "The Dedicated Surfmobile"
and the text to the right of it which mentions a "1953 Buick". I'm
assuming that you weren't identifying the car in the old photo as a
'53 Buick, because, it is a 1951 Dodge; see the following:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/nynjslant6/photos/1951Dodge.jpg
http://www.vintagegavel.com/images/1951%20Dodge%20Coronet%20Four%20Door%20Sedan.JPG
Or, an alternate for that long link: http://tinyurl.com/kx43
Hoodude
<rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote:
>The Story of Leo Carrillo's Rancho <http://www.carrillo-ranch.org>
>At the peak of his film career Leo felt an intense yearning to find a
>retreat where he could re-create an Old California-style working
>rancho, an important cultural asset he felt was rapidly dying out. In
>1937 he came across the Rancho de Los Kiotes in what is now southeast
>Carlsbad and which was once owned by the Kelly family, very large,
>long-standing landowners in the area. Leo quickly snapped up his first
>840 acres for $65,000 or $77 per acre. He immediately began
>construction of 18 structures necessary for his ranch operations and,
>over time, increased his spread to 2,538 acres.
>
>In 1977 the city acquired a tiny 10.5 acre remnant that contained and
>protected the most critical original buildings. Thanks to a state
>preservation grant and matching funds contributed by local civic
>organizations, some of the buildings were seismic retrofitted and
>partially restored in 1992. A $4.7 million catch-up round of
>restoration is now in progress.
>
>A Park Master Plan has been approved by the Carlsbad City Council for
>eventual creation of the totally unique Leo Carrillo Ranch Historic
>Park. A required transfer of 16.4 acres from contiguous residential
>developers has expanded the future Park site to 27 acres.
>
>Leo Carrillo Ranch has the potential to become an extraordinary
>educational and passive recreational resource, the envy of all
>Californians, and a visitor destination.
That seems to almost parallel Ray "Crash" Corrigan and his
Corriganville Movie Ranch (which was later purchased by Bob Hope and
subsequently renamed 'Hopetown'). Visiting Corriganville and having
Ray himself put me on his horse while holding his six-gun upon him in
a mock "You're under arrest" scene was a highlight of my preteen
years.
An excellent website all about Corriganville:
http://employees.oxy.edu/jerry/corrigan/corrigan.htm
Corriganville history and timeline:
http://employees.oxy.edu/jerry/corrigan/history.htm
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:46:11 +1200, "Robert Feigel (aka Bob)"
><rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote:
>
>>Mr Carrillo was a friend of my step-dad's and used to drive his famous
>>'woody' convertible over for visits to our neighbourhood (where he'd
>>visit a couple of friends). There's a picture of his car, complete
>>with steer head, on my website on this page (scroll down to bottom):
>><http://www.earthsea.co.nz/surfwriter/cruisin1.htm>.
>
>Interesting webpage; thanks for posting the link. I noticed, however,
>that you spelled Carillo's character name incorrectly, you have
>"Poncho" when it is actually, Pancho.
>
>I also noticed the car under the heading "The Dedicated Surfmobile"
>and the text to the right of it which mentions a "1953 Buick". I'm
>assuming that you weren't identifying the car in the old photo as a
>'53 Buick, because, it is a 1951 Dodge; see the following:
'Poncho' is a typo and thanks for pointing it out. Unfortunately, the
only photos I have of my old Buick show portions of the car in the
background. I also had a 1951 Dodge station wagon once. What a
workhorse. Sold it in 1968 before I headed for Maui. Had a fake
leather front seat that was so slippery that I'd slip to the center if
I took a left turn too fast! The 'Dedicated Surfmobile' is an
unattributed photo I got from another website. Thanks for the '51
Dodge links ... ÿbob
"Ehhhh, Cisco! Ehhhh, Pancho!
>http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/nynjslant6/photos/1951Dodge.jpg
>
>http://www.vintagegavel.com/images/1951%20Dodge%20Coronet%20Four%20Door%20Sedan.JPG
>Or, an alternate for that long link: http://tinyurl.com/kx43
>
Hoodude
<rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote:
>>'53 Buick
>'Poncho' is a typo and thanks for pointing it out. Unfortunately, the
>only photos I have of my old Buick show portions of the car in the
>background. I also had a 1951 Dodge station wagon once. What a
>workhorse. Sold it in 1968 before I headed for Maui. Had a fake
>leather front seat that was so slippery that I'd slip to the center if
>I took a left turn too fast! The 'Dedicated Surfmobile' is an
>unattributed photo I got from another website. Thanks for the '51
>Dodge links ... ˙bob
The description of the leather seat reminds me of the almost de
rigueur plastic seat covers so many folks installed or purchased with
their late 1950s cars. And years later how so many of them were torn
and yellowed, yet, some cars with them installed protected the seat
material so well that it was still like new.
Here is a link to '53 Buick images through Google:
http://images.google.com/images?q=1953+Buick
'53 Buicks are one of my favorite year and make of car because of
their bold and distinctive front ends.
Nana NJ
member. When my brother and I are walking down memory lane, that car
almost always gets mentioned. Thanks to that car I don't like banana
splits. We'd just gotten it and went to Foster's Freeze, in Redondo
Beach, CA. It had cloth upholstery pre-Scotch-guard (not the best thing
to have with young children lol). Daddy let me have my banana split in
the back seat on the condition that I didn't get any of it on the seat.
Well, I got *all* of it on the seat by spilling it. I got chewed out so
that I never liked banana splits again. I like all the ingredients, but
not as the same dish.
Nana
Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.
Anonymous
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
wrote:
Ah HA! Bingo! Thanks to your research I found it! Here's what my
convertible looked like with the top down, whitewalls, wire wheels and
all - only mine was a much darker, deep metallic blue with dark brown
leather seats, a black top and electric top, windows and driver's
seat. Not as sporty as the Wildcat, but it wasn't such a bad looking
car after all. What I really wanted to buy was an MG-TD, but my folks
wouldn't allow me to drive around in what they referred to as a
'foreign tin-can":
http://www.eurasia85.be/test/nieuweversiefotoalbum/buick%20roadmaster%20convertible%201953.jpg
or shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?F22B61FA5
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
wrote:
Since you know about cars, you'll know what a fool I was when I turned
down the offer of a 1939 LaSalle convertible that my folks had stored
in our garage in Santa Monica. They kept it for me right up until they
were sure I was going to stay in New Zealand. Sold it to a local
doctor who restored classics. And it *was* a classic! Live and learn,
ÿbob
Robert Feigel (aka Bob)
wrote:
>The description of the leather seat reminds me of the almost de
>rigueur plastic seat covers so many folks installed or purchased with
>their late 1950s cars. And years later how so many of them were torn
>and yellowed, yet, some cars with them installed protected the seat
>material so well that it was still like new.
>
>Here is a link to '53 Buick images through Google:
>http://images.google.com/images?q=1953+Buick
>
>'53 Buicks are one of my favorite year and make of car because of
>their bold and distinctive front ends.
Hoodude - I tried to email you with a photo of a LaSalle convertible
that looks very much like the one I described ... but the email was
returned. If you would feel like email me with your e-addy, I'll try
again. b <eski...@earthsea.co.nz>