2013 Oscar Obit Roll

[Brad Ferguson]

Host Seth MacFarlane teases "our In Memoriam tribute" in throw to break
at 1054p ET

Under way at 1057p



Segment introduced by George Clooney


Walking the Black Carpet this year:

Ernest Borgnine
Eiko Ishioka (costume designer)
Ralph McQuarrie (conceptual designer, illustrator)
Jack Klugman
Celeste Holm
Adam Yauch (musician, film executive)
Michael Clarke Duncan
Charles Durning
Carlo Rambaldi (special effects artist)
Erland Josephson (actor)
Richard Robbins (composer)
Stephen Frankfurt (advertising executive, title designer)
Harris Savides (cinematographer)
Tonino Guerra (writer)
J. Michael Riva (production designer)
Ulu Grosbard (director)
Herbert Lom
Bruce Surtees (cinematographer)
Andrew Sarris (film critic)
George A. Bowers (film editor)
Tony Scott (director)
Theodore Soderberg (sound)
Lois W. Smith (publicist)
Geoffrey G. Ammer (marketing executive)
Neil Travis (film editor)
Mike Hopkins (sound)
John D. Lowry (image restoration pioneer)
Hal David (songwriter)
Nora Ephron (writer-director)
Charles Rosen (production designer)
Jake Eberts (executive)
Mike Kohut (re-recording mixer, executive)
Frank Pierson (writer-director)
Chris Marker (director-writer)
Charles C. Washburn (assistant director)
Ray Bradbury (writer)
Richard Rodney Bennett (composer)
Robert B. Sherman (composer-songwriter)
Richard D. Zanuck (producer)
Matthew Yuricich (visual effects)
Marvin Hamlisch (composer-songwriter)


Barbra Streisand comes onstage at conclusion to say a few words about
Hamlisch and to sing "The Way We Were"


Off at 1104p

[cathyc...@aol.com]

While she was singing they could have shown the 20 actors and actresses who died in 2012 that people actually knew. Erland Josephson?

[cathyc...@aol.com]

Probably because she had millions more readers?

[busgal]

Cathy is right about so many non actors

[Hyfler/Rosner]

On 2/24/13 11:22 PM, cathyc...@aol.com wrote:
> While she was singing they could have shown the 20 actors and actresses who died in 2012 that people actually knew. Erland Josephson?
>

Not a good example. Erland Josephson was famous the world over for
starring in Ingmar Bergman films. He belonged there.



Erland Josephson, Actor With Bergman, Dies at 88


Mr. Josephson with Liv Ullmann in Ingmar Bergman's �Scenes From a
Marriage,� the director's 1973 landmark film.


By DENNIS LIM
NY Times


Erland Josephson, a Swedish actor who worked frequently with Ingmar
Bergman on stage and screen, most notably as the star of the acclaimed
1973 film �Scenes From a Marriage,� died on Saturday in Stockholm. He
was 88.

His death was announced by a spokeswoman for Sweden�s Royal Dramatic
Theater, where Mr. Josephson had been director from 1966 to 1975. The
spokeswoman said he had been suffering from Parkinson�s disease.

Mr. Josephson combined physical stature and emotional depth in his
best-known roles. Among the most prominent members of Bergman�s
repertory company, alongside Max von Sydow and Liv Ullmann � his co-star
in �Scenes From a Marriage� and many other films � he was also the
director�s longest-running collaborator. He succeeded Mr. von Sydow as
Bergman�s male lead of choice in the 1970s, but the two men�s
partnership and friendship had begun long before that, in the 1930s,
when they were both theater-besotted young men, and continued until
Bergman�s final film, �Saraband,� in 2003.

Mr. Josephson was born on June 15, 1923, in Stockholm, into a family
with a strong cultural tradition. His ancestors and relatives included a
composer, a painter and a theater director who had worked with August
Strindberg, and his father owned a bookstore, where the teenage Ingmar
Bergman got his first break when a sales clerk invited him to direct an
amateur theater troupe.

Mr. Josephson is survived by his wife, Ulla Aberg, and five children.

His stage and screen career is inextricably entwined with Bergman�s. In
the 1940s Bergman directed Mr. Josephson in municipal stage productions
in Helsingborg and Gothenburg; his first screen appearance was in
Bergman�s second film, �It Rains on Our Love� (1946). He was a co-writer
of two screenplays with Bergman in the 1960s, and succeeded Bergman as
the director of the Royal Dramatic Theater in 1966.

After secondary roles in films like �The Magician� (1958) and �Hour of
the Wolf� (1968), Mr. Josephson, already about 50, graduated to leading
man in �Scenes From a Marriage,� Bergman�s harrowing study of a marital
battleground. With his capacity for conveying both inner turmoil and a
searching intelligence, he often played frustrated intellectuals and men
of reason in Bergman films: a prickly scientist in �Scenes�; a friend of
a woman coping with mental illness in �Face to Face� (1976, again with
Ms. Ullmann); and a controlling theater director in �After the
Rehearsal� (1984).

Unlike Mr. von Sydow, Mr. Josephson never attempted a Hollywood career.
But he became a familiar face in art films with a European twist, which
often called for him to serve as a bearded, grizzled emblem of
Bergmanesque gravitas. He played Friedrich Nietzsche in Liliana Cavani�s
�Beyond Good and Evil� (1977) and also appeared in Dusan Makavejev�s
�Montenegro� (1981), Philip Kaufman�s �Unbearable Lightness of Being�
(1988), Peter Greenaway�s �Prospero�s Books� (1991) and Theo
Angelopoulos�s �Ulysses� Gaze� (1996).

Apart from Bergman, the director with whom Mr. Josephson had the most
fruitful collaboration was the Soviet filmmaker Andrei Tarkovsky. Mr.
Josephson starred in Mr. Tarkovsky�s last two films, �Nostalgia� (1983)
and �The Sacrifice� (1986). In �The Sacrifice,� he delivered a
performance distinguished by several stark, anguished monologues as an
atheist professor who strikes a panicked deal with God to ensure the
survival of the human race as a nuclear war breaks out.

Mr. Josephson also wrote several plays, novels and memoirs and directed
the film �Marmalade Revolution� (1980). As a fellow writer and director,
and a lifelong friend, he often spoke perceptively about Bergman�s work.
�A man obsessed with failure has succeeded better than others in
portraying it,� Mr. Josephson once wrote. �This could be referred to as
the Bergman vaccination method.�

If anything, his association with Bergman grew closer over time. He
appeared in Bergman�s final theatrical productions, including �The Ghost
Sonata� and �Mary Stuart,� and in old age seemed to embrace the role of
alter ego even more fully. In �Saraband,� Mr. Josephson and Ms. Ullmann
reprised their roles from �Scenes From a Marriage.� And in �Faithless�
(2000), directed by Ms. Ullmann from a Bergman script, Mr. Josephson
played a writer named Bergman.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: March 5, 2012

An obituary last Monday about Erland Josephson, a Swedish actor who
worked frequently with Ingmar Bergman, described incorrectly the
character Mr. Josephson played in the 1976 movie �Face to Face.� He was
a friend of a woman coping with mental illness; he was not the woman�s
husband.

[Hyfler/Rosner]

On 2/24/13 11:29 PM, silas wrote:
> Speaking of middle America, why Andrew "The Village Voice" Sarris but
> no Judith "TV Guide" Crist?
>


They both should have been there.

Sarris is famous for being the American proponent of the auteur theory.
He was a brilliant writer and revered by people who make (and see)
movies.

[cathyc...@aol.com]

I agree but not to the exclusion of people who made movies in the USA, were Academy members, and are known to a lot more people than the 47 art film farts who watch Bergman films.

I'd bet you a million dollars that 98% of the people who go to the movies have never seen a Bergman film.

[R H Draney]

busgal filted:

>
>Cathy is right about so many non actors

It's nice that people who delete all context when replying can stick
together....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[Corby Gilmore]

Brad Ferguson (thir...@frXOXed.net) writes:
> Host Seth MacFarlane teases "our In Memoriam tribute" in throw to break
> at 1054p ET
>
> Under way at 1057p
>
>
>
> Segment introduced by George Clooney
>
>

Andy Griffith was one of,if not THE most egregious omissions in Memoriam
history, especially when you consider that Jack Klugman WASincluded.

[Bermuda999]

On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:22:11 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
> > On 2/24/13 11:29 PM, silas wrote:
>
> >> Speaking of middle America, why Andrew "The Village Voice" Sarris but
> >> no Judith "TV Guide" Crist?
>
>

> I thought TV isn't the same as the Movies?
> Guess my guess isn't correct.
...

>
> > They both should have been there.
>

> For once, the Oscars [*] did something correct in leaving off Crist.
>

Before you off-handedly dismissed Ms. Crist, you really should have known:

Crist was the first female movie reviewer for a big city newspaper (the New York Herald Tribune)

Crist was the movie reviewer for the Today show on NBC from 1963-1973

She was the first film critic for New York magazine

She reviewed films for the TV Guide from 1966-1988. *Films* She did not review TV series -- but rather Hollywood films showing on broadcast TV (often for the first time) along with some made-for-TV movies, when they were a trend.

From 1971-2006 she held regular film weekends, showing certain films and interviewing famous directors, actors, and other artists involved in the production.

She wasn't everyone's cup of tea, with her deapan zingers, her deflation of pomposity in film, and the joy with which she panned some films. She was at one time called the person most hated by Hollywood. Billy Wilder supposedly said that asking her to review your film was like asking The Boston Strangler to massage your neck. However, she was a groundbreaking film critic and deserved to be there.

[Roy DeLoon]

On 2/24/2013 10:44 PM, busgal wrote:
> Cathy is right about so many non actors
>

She should know. She used to be Barbara Stanwyck's poolboy.

[Brad Ferguson]

In article <kgeshh$ifh$2...@reader1.panix.com>, Hyfler/Rosner

The ladies of The View are complaining this morning about the omission
of Andy Griffith and Alex Karras.

Re Griffith, Joy Behar just said A Face in the Crowd was one of the
great American movies. When she's right, she's right.

[Scott Brady]

On Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:15:51 PM UTC-6, Brad Ferguson wrote:

> Walking the Black Carpet this year:

> Eiko Ishioka (costume designer)

She died over a month before last year's ceremony. I guess we can establish January 21, 2013, as the starting point for inclusion in next year's In Memoriam.

So don't write off Oscar-winning special effects pioneer Petro Vlahos, who died February 10.

[Scott Brady]

On Monday, February 25, 2013 10:23:46 AM UTC-6, Brad Ferguson wrote:

> The ladies of The View are complaining this morning about the omission
> of Andy Griffith and Alex Karras.

At least they didn't play clips from their TV shows. When Griffith, a Grammy winner, was shown in the Grammy obit reel, they played the theme from "The Andy Griffith Show," which he neither wrote nor performed (although he did record a version).

[amelia rosner]

On Feb 25, 12:29 am, cathycart...@aol.com wrote:
> I agree but not to the exclusion of people who made movies in the USA, were Academy members, and are known to a lot more people than the 47 art film farts who watch Bergman films.
>
> I'd bet you a million dollars that 98% of the people who go to the movies have never seen a Bergman film.

Thanks. Good to be part of the 47.

The Oscars is an international event.

Check your globe for Sweden.

[amelia rosner]

On Feb 25, 11:23 am, Brad Ferguson <thirt...@frXOXed.net> wrote:
> In article <kgeshh$if...@reader1.panix.com>, Hyfler/Rosner

I agree. Except he only made a handful of films, so I see why they
left him off. I don't agree with it, but I get it.

[Scott Brady]

On Monday, February 25, 2013 11:21:20 AM UTC-6, amelia rosner wrote:

> > Re Griffith, Joy Behar just said A Face in the Crowd was one of the
> > great American movies.  When she's right, she's right.

> I agree. Except he only made a handful of films, so I see why they
> left him off. I don't agree with it, but I get it.

Besides Ernest Borgnine, who opened the segment, and Marvin Hamlisch, who closed it, the only people who were also included in last year's Emmy In Memoriam were Celeste Holm, Michael Clarke Duncan, Tony Scott and Frank Pierson. All were better known for their film work.

[cathyc...@aol.com]

Explain Klugman. Less films than Griffith.

[tr...@iwvisp.com]

On Feb 25, 10:31 am, David Carson <d...@neosoft.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:56:46 -0800 (PST), Bermuda999

>
> <bermuda...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Before you off-handedly dismissed Ms. Crist, you really should have  known:
>
> >Crist was the first female movie reviewer for a big city newspaper (the New York Herald Tribune)
>
> >Crist was the movie reviewer for the Today show on NBC from 1963-1973
>
> >She was the first film critic for New York magazine
>
> >She reviewed films for the TV Guide from 1966-1988. *Films* She did not review TV series -- but rather Hollywood films showing on broadcast TV (often for the first time) along with some made-for-TV movies, when they were a trend.
>
> >From 1971-2006 she held regular film weekends, showing certain films and interviewing famous directors, actors, and other artists involved in the production.
>
> >She wasn't everyone's cup of tea, with her deapan zingers, her deflation of pomposity in film, and the joy with which she panned some films. She was at one time called the person most hated by Hollywood. Billy Wilder supposedly said that asking her to review your film was like asking The Boston Strangler to massage your neck. However, she was a groundbreaking film critic and deserved to be there.
>

> "So what?" - Roy

Frankly, I think there could be a case made that Film Critics should
not be applicable for the IM scroll. They are already one step
removed from the "vendor" types such as: marketing guys, camera/sound
product inventors, who at least contribute to the creation or
distribution of "product."

Ray Arthur

[Bermuda999]

On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:28:23 PM UTC-5, News wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>
> "Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:e601db89-2240-4cb3...@googlegroups.com...

> After the Oscars add Andy Griffith and some others way more deserving who
> should have been shown, then you can talk about Crist.


Curiously, I can talk about Crist whenever I like. I was not a big fan of hers, but the specific context in which her name arose in this thread was that, if Andrew Sarris was included this year, so should Crist. I agree.

> I don't recall seeing a movie reviewer on the obit reel previously.
> Was Gene Siskel on the movie Oscars obit reel the year after he died?

Siskel was the subject of a special segment by Whoopi Goldberg, written by Bruce Vilanch.

[The AO Deadpool]

On Feb 25, 12:56 pm, cathycart...@aol.com wrote:
> Explain Klugman. Less films than Griffith.

No, actually.

He made quite a few more. He was still predominantly TV, but I think,
to name just a couple, Goodbye Columbus and 12 Angry Men qualify him.

Mind you, I thought Griffith should have been there, as well.

[Scott Brady]

On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:15:55 PM UTC-6, The AO Deadpool wrote:

> Mind you, I thought Griffith should have been there, as well.

Interestingly enough, Don Knotts, who died nine days before the 2006 ceremony (Sunday was the seventh anniversary of his death) made the reel the following year.

I don't know what the record is for the longest gap between someone's death and their inclusion in the In Memoriam segment, but the outcry over Griffith's exclusion has been such that I wouldn't be shocked to see them sneak him in next year.

[Loki]

As I recall, it was less a special segment than one or two sentences.
Neither Gene Siskel nor Pauline Kael were mentioned in the memorial
segment. Going on that precedent, Judith Crist shouldn't have been
either.

Of course, if precedent is to be followed, since Johnny Carson got a
stand alone due to his multiple hosting duties, when the time comes,
we should expect them for Billy Crystal and Whoopee Goldberg also.

Loki

Change is good. You go first.

[yrag....@gmail.com]

I think it was the crappiest obit reel I've ever seen.

If Andy Griffith doesn't get in then make sure you leave out Dick Van Dyke, Bob Newhart, Sid Caesar and Jonathan Winters when they go.



so

[cathyc...@aol.com]

Goldberg said around 7 or 8 words in 10 seconds about Siskel. I'd hardly call that a special segment.

[cathyc...@aol.com]

That's probably better than what you usually put in your mouth: your mother's balls.

[Bermuda999]

Which brings us back around to Andrew Sarris and Judith Crist...

[cathyc...@aol.com]

Yes, you did.

[Bill Schenley]

http://tinyurl.com/afv86ps

[Bermuda999]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:23:55 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>
> "Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message
>

> news:ef3b8638-0fac-4698...@googlegroups.com...

> STOP already with your fixation on Crist, for Christ sakes!

As I said, I wasn't even a fan, but if Sarris makes it, so should she


> She's not getting on the obit reel, thank God!

Neither is Andy Griffith, but it did not stop your sobbing
(nor will it stop you from squealing like a pig when you realize that Dick Van Dyke will not make the Oscar's In Memoriam reel)

[Bermuda999]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:11:39 PM UTC-5, News wrote:

> (nor will it stop you from squealing like a pig when you realize that Dick
> Van Dyke will not make the Oscar's In Memoriam reel)
>
>
>

> Pardon my French, but you're an asshole and an idiot in saying that!

And the squealing commences

[Corby Gilmore]

"News" (m...@sb.net) writes:
>
> "Corby Gilmore" <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>>
>> Andy Griffith was one of,if not THE most egregious omissions in Memoriam
>> history, especially when you consider that Jack Klugman WAS included.
>
> I presume you aren't trashing Jack Klugman's appearance.
> Because it is worded as if you are.


Absolutely not. "12 Angry Men" is one of my favorite movies but then, so
is "No Time For Sergeants". What I meant to do was point out the obvious
parallels between the 2 men's careers.

[Corby Gilmore]

Scott Brady (sbra...@hotmail.com) writes:
> On Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:15:51 PM UTC-6, Brad Ferguson wrote:
>
>> Walking the Black Carpet this year:
>
>> Eiko Ishioka (costume designer)
>
> She died over a month before last year's ceremony. I guess we can establish January 21, 2013, as the starting point for inclusion in next year's In Memoriam.
>
> So don't write off Oscar-winning special effects pioneer Petro Vlahos, who died February 10.


I'm not. I fully expected Vlahos to be honored this year; I was
surprised when he wasnt.

[Corby Gilmore]

amelia rosner (amelia...@gmail.com) writes:
> On Feb 25, 11:23=A0am, Brad Ferguson <thirt...@frXOXed.net> wrote:
>> In article <kgeshh$if...@reader1.panix.com>, Hyfler/Rosner

>>
>> <rel...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> > On 2/24/13 11:29 PM, silas wrote:
>> > > Speaking of middle America, why Andrew "The Village Voice" Sarris but
>> > > no Judith "TV Guide" Crist?
>>

>> > They both should have been there.
>>

>> > Sarris is famous for being the American proponent of the auteur theory.
>> > =A0 He was a brilliant writer and revered by people who make (and see)
>> > movies.
>>
>> The ladies of The View are complaining this morning about the omission
>> of Andy Griffith and Alex Karras.
>>
>> Re Griffith, Joy Behar just said A Face in the Crowd was one of the
>> great American movies. =A0When she's right, she's right.
>
> I agree. Except he only made a handful of films, so I see why they
> left him off. I don't agree with it, but I get it.


How many did Jack Klugman make in comparison? I would alsocite John
Ritter as a comparison point.

[Corby Gilmore]

"tr...@iwvisp.com" (tr...@iwvisp.com) writes:
>
> Frankly, I think there could be a case made that Film Critics should
> not be applicable for the IM scroll. They are already one step
> removed from the "vendor" types such as: marketing guys, camera/sound
> product inventors, who at least contribute to the creation or
> distribution of "product."
>
> Ray Arthur

I tend toagree,but I would remove publicists and agents as well.

[Corby Gilmore]

"News" (m...@sb.net) writes:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> <yrag....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cd9d91b0-8126-4406...@googlegroups.com...

>>
>> I think it was the crappiest obit reel I've ever seen.
>>
>> If Andy Griffith doesn't get in then make sure you leave out Dick Van
>> Dyke, Bob Newhart, Sid Caesar and Jonathan Winters when they go.
>

> If they leave out any of them, I'm finished watching the crappy Oscars
> (Academy Awards show, or whatever they want to call them) from then on.
>



I presume that I'm wrong, but I wasnt aware that Bob Newhart had a
significant enough filmc areer to merit inclusion.

[Corby Gilmore]

Bermuda999 (bermu...@aol.com) writes:
>
> Neither is Andy Griffith, but it did not stop your sobbing
> (nor will it stop you from squealing like a pig when you realize that Dick Van Dyke will not make the Oscar's In Memoriam reel)

Dick Van Dyke will almost certainly get in. He had a decent run of
films after his show ended, most notably "Mary Poppins", "Cold Turkey",
"Fitzwilly" and "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"

[Bermuda999]

A decent run of four or five notable movies, at least one of which he was a supporting character, and two of which are not exactly notable, won't make it any more. There are too many movie people dying off and the steadfast attention to behind the scenes personnel means the onscreen inclusions will have to be increasingly notable or groundbreaking. DvD appeared in a couple of ensemble films, never established himself as a leading man in the movies, and did not appear often enough in a supporting role to achieve status as a key character actor. See Griffith, Andy.

[Bermuda999]

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:38:37 AM UTC-5, News squealed:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:edbd3fbd-6517-4f2b...@googlegroups.com...

> Put that pig back in your pie-hole and swallow.
> When you go, *nobody* will notice.

Woo pig - soooooooooooooooooooooooooooieeeeeeee!

[Brad Ferguson]

In article <d5ab0246-3e20-4199...@googlegroups.com>,

Agreed. They've been dismissive of film actors who, they say, are
better known for their TV work, and they've been quoted to this effect.
See Morgan, Harry.

I would be pleasantly but utterly surprised if Dick Van Dyke made it
onto the reel.

[Loki]

I think Dick Van Dyke will make it. Mary Poppins will carry him over.

[Bermuda999]

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:01:20 PM UTC-5, News wrote:
> "Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message
>

> news:d5ab0246-3e20-4199...@googlegroups.com...

>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:21:11 AM UTC-5, Corby Gilmore wrote:
>
> > Bermuda999 (bermu...@aol.com) writes:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Neither is Andy Griffith, but it did not stop your sobbing
>
> >
>
> > > (nor will it stop you from squealing like a pig when you realize that
>
> > > Dick Van Dyke will not make the Oscar's In Memoriam reel)
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dick Van Dyke will almost certainly get in. He had a decent run of
>
> >
>
> > films after his show ended, most notably "Mary Poppins", "Cold Turkey",
>
> >
>
> > "Fitzwilly" and "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"
>
> A decent run of four or five notable movies, at least one of which he was a
>
> supporting character, and two of which are not exactly notable, won't make
>
> it any more.
>
>
>

> ---start
>
>
>
> See below for a refutation of your point about "four or five notable
>
> movies."
>
> Try EIGHT, at least.
>
> Andy Griffith had at best FIVE ("A Face in the Crowd" "No Time for
>
> Sergeants" "Onionhead" The Second Time Around" and "Angel in My Pocket.")
>
>
>
> And "Onionhead" (1958) was such a rip-off of "No Time for Sergeants" and a
>
> huge flop, it drove him into the television field with his own show, so that
>
> gives him only FOUR important films.
>
> He played *third*-fiddle in "The Second Time Around" (behind even Steve
>
> Forrest, for goodness sakes!)
>
> That makes him good in only THREE films, about one-third of what Dick Van
>
> Dyke was able to achieve. That's a key difference you conveniently ignore in
>
> your misguided comparison.
>


So you abandon Andy in an attempt to protect your Dick?

> ---end

>
>
>
> There are too many movie people dying off and the steadfast attention to
> behind the scenes personnel means the onscreen inclusions will have to be
> increasingly notable or groundbreaking. DvD appeared in a couple of ensemble
> films, never established himself as a leading man in the movies, and did not
> appear often enough in a supporting role to achieve status as a key
> character actor. See Griffith, Andy.
>
>

> I don't see how the Oscars are going to ignore a SAG Lifetime Award winner
>
> (see: January 27, 2013), a superb movie (as well as television/broadway)
>
> actor and comic who was in: "Bye Bye Birdie" "Mary Poppins" "The Art of
>
> Love" "Divorce American Style" "Fitzwilly" "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" "The
>
> Comic" "Cold Turkey" and "The Runner Stumbles" in highlighting his film
>
> career.

He did not have much of career in film - and almost none as a leading man. I like him as much as the next guy, but if you can imagine a world in which DvD did not have a television career, there would be almost no discussion of including him based on the films in which he appeared. I already included "By Bye Birdie" as the 5th notable film, and once again, he was part of a large ensemble cast. The other films you mention now add nothing to his luster as a film star.

The SAG award was primarily for his television career (see White, Betty - the 2009 recipient of the SAG lifetime achivement award) and AMPAS is not likely to give the award much consideration, especially considering his lack of Oscar nominations. If you want to pull out virtually irrelevant supporting evidence, here's some: his one and only star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is as a TV performer.

I would have liked to see Andy Griffith and (one day) Van Dyke mentioned (along with dozens of other neglected artists), but that's not the way the Academy works, especially in the current climate.

[R H Draney]

Loki filted:

Agreed...it certainly did for Robert Sherman (an Oscar winner for a song
performed by Van Dyke)....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[Corby Gilmore]

Brad Ferguson (thir...@frXOXed.net) writes:
>
> Agreed. They've been dismissive of film actors who, they say, are
> better known for their TV work, and they've been quoted to this effect.
> See Morgan, Harry.
>
> I would be pleasantly but utterly surprised if Dick Van Dyke made it
> onto the reel.

They are not consistent in applying the standatd, are they. I would cite
John Ritter as an example.

[Corby Gilmore]

Brad Ferguson (thir...@frXOXed.net) writes:
>
> Agreed. They've been dismissive of film actors who, they say, are
> better known for their TV work, and they've been quoted to this effect.
> See Morgan, Harry.
>
> I would be pleasantly but utterly surprised if Dick Van Dyke made it
> onto the reel.

This was the same standard used to exclude Farrah Fawcett, I wouls assume.
The difference was that when FF was excluded there was a considerable fuss
about it on AO. Wouls people here have the same passion for DvD if he was
excluded, or are the folks here resigned to his fate given the FF standard?

[Brad Ferguson]

In article <kgm42...@drn.newsguy.com>, R H Draney

The Shermans had a long career writing Oscar-winning songs for movies.
Mary Poppins may carry DVD over the line, but don't be surprised if it
doesn't.

[BobF]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:30:37 -0600, "News" <m...@sb.net> shouted from the
highest rooftop:

>"Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message

>news:6814c048-684f-47f4...@googlegroups.com...

>On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:01:20 PM UTC-5, News wrote:
>> "Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:d5ab0246-3e20-4199...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:21:11 AM UTC-5, Corby Gilmore wrote:
>>
>> > Bermuda999 (bermu...@aol.com) writes:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > Neither is Andy Griffith, but it did not stop your sobbing
>>
>> > > (nor will it stop you from squealing like a pig when you realize that
>>
>> > > Dick Van Dyke will not make the Oscar's In Memoriam reel)
>>
>> > Dick Van Dyke will almost certainly get in. He had a decent run of
>>
>> > films after his show ended, most notably "Mary Poppins", "Cold Turkey",
>>
>> > "Fitzwilly" and "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"
>>
>> A decent run of four or five notable movies, at least one of which he was
>> a supporting character, and two of which are not exactly notable, won't make
>> it any more.
>>

>> ---start (uneeded if idiot boy used a decent newsreader)

>>
>>
>>
>> See below for a refutation of your point about "four or five notable
>> movies."
>>
>> Try EIGHT, at least.
>>
>> Andy Griffith had at best FIVE ("A Face in the Crowd" "No Time for
>>
>> Sergeants" "Onionhead" The Second Time Around" and "Angel in My Pocket.")
>>
>> And "Onionhead" (1958) was such a rip-off of "No Time for Sergeants" and
>> a huge flop, it drove him into the television field with his own show, so
>> that gives him only FOUR important films.
>>
>> He played *third*-fiddle in "The Second Time Around" (behind even Steve
>>
>> Forrest, for goodness sakes!)
>>
>> That makes him good in only THREE films, about one-third of what Dick
>> Van Dyke was able to achieve. That's a key difference you conveniently ignore
>> in your misguided comparison.
>>
>
>So you abandon Andy in an attempt to protect your Dick?
>

> ---start (uneeded if idiot boy used a decent newsreader)
>
> Go suck on Andy Dick. [pun, combining both to form a real actor]
* * * * * * *

Some of the more common characteristics of Royburger's Syndrome
include:

* An inability to think or express oneself in abstract ways
(eg: puns, jokes, sarcasm, etc) to the point of having to explain
that their feeble attempsts are puns, jokes, sarcasm, etc.

[Bermuda999]

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:11:59 PM UTC-5, News wrote:
> How many hypocrites (nee, inconsistant imbeciles) on AO demanded FF
> should have been included in the Oscars but now say DvD should *not* be
> included?
> Hmmmmm?
> Mr. Bermuda999, maybe? <g>


Um, "no", and please stop misusing and torturing the word "nee"

[Loki]

One of the differences is that DVD could get movies made with his name
above the title. I do not know that Andy ever could.

[Bermuda999]

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:04:16 AM UTC-5, Loki wrote:
> One of the differences is that DVD could get movies made with his name
>
> above the title. I do not know that Andy ever could.

Andy Griffith's name appeared above the credits for "Onionhead"

Van Dyke had his name above the title for "Fitzwilly". For "Divorce American Style", his name, along with the rest of the main cast, appeared above the title.

[Loki]

DVD was a star when they made Mary Poppins. Julie Andrews won the
Oscar, but it was her first film. She had a name on Broadway, but was
largely unknown. DVD was also the above the title star of Chitty,
Chitty, Bang, Bang, Lt. Robin Crusoe, U.S.N., Cold Turkey, and many
others.

I think he should be (and barring the person picking the list knowing
roy, I suspect he will be) but it doesn't really matter. Whether he is
on the list or not, there will be complaints.

[Bermuda999]

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:47:08 PM UTC-5, Loki wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:58:29 -0800 (PST), Bermuda999
>
> <bermu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:04:16 AM UTC-5, Loki wrote:
>
> >> One of the differences is that DVD could get movies made with his name
>
> >>
>
> >> above the title. I do not know that Andy ever could.
>
> >Andy Griffith's name appeared above the credits for "Onionhead"
>
> >Van Dyke had his name above the title for "Fitzwilly". For "Divorce American Style", his name, along with the rest of the main cast, appeared above the title.
>
>

> Chitty, Bang, Bang, Lt. Robin Crusoe, U.S.N., Cold Turkey, and many
> others.

No, I don't believe he was. I don't have the films on hand, but we do of course have access to the movie posters. And it's necessary to look at the original posters from their release, not photos of their VHS or DVD releases. As I mentioned, DvD was listed above the credits for Fitzwilly and with main cast in DAS.

Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang
http://compare.ebay.com/like/110829968827?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

Lt. Robinson Crusoe
http://www.moviepostershop.com/lt-robin-crusoe-usn-movie-poster/AE7182?gclid=COm2-LTm2bUCFYje4AodRCMA8w

Cold Turkey
http://tinyurl.com/co2zcf8

[Bermuda999]

Obviously this last one can be scratched because, below the main title, the credit reads "Dick Van Dyke in Cold Turkey". Sorry I missed that.

[Loki]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:18:34 -0800 (PST), Bermuda999

I stand corrected. His name is NOT above the title, however, he is the
first name listed and was the "star" of all of them.

[Louis Epstein]

News <m...@sb.net> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:kgm42...@drn.newsguy.com...

> Did not Allan Sherman make it in the Grammy's obit for a single album
> (nee song) "Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh" <g> that won the Comedy Grammy award
> in '64?
> "Camp Runamuck" (tv series, 1965-66) was also inspired by his song,
> which in two episodes featured a very young Maureen McCormick ("Marcia
> Brady"), then only 9.
>
> "It's a Small World (After All)"
> --Robert Sherman, also wrote "Supercalifragilllisticexpialidocious"
> "Feed the Birds" and the Oscar-winner, "Chim Chim Cher-ee"

Wonder World,Wonder World,where happiness is king!!!

> Not to mention: "Let's Get Together (yeah, yeah, yeah)" for Hayley
> Mills, "You're Sixteen" for Johnny Brunette (later Ringo Starr), and the
> immortal "Tall Paul" for Annette Funicello.
>
> Later on, he became more informal with his name listed as 'Bobby'
> Sherman and had a string of teeny-bopper hits such as "Little Woman" and
> "Julie, Do Ya Love Me." <j/k, just couldn't resist!>
>

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

News <m...@sb.net> wrote:
>
> "Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:476cca0a-2001-41a6...@googlegroups.com...

> NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE
> NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE
> NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE
> NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE

Shall I consult a shrubber?

[Bermuda999]

On Friday, March 1, 2013 1:12:30 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes

>
>
>
> "Bermuda999" <bermu...@aol.com> wrote in message
>

> news:262c6e67-bea0-44db...@googlegroups.com...

>
> > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:04:16 AM UTC-5, Loki wrote:
>
> >> One of the differences is that DVD could get movies made with his name
>
> >>
>
> >> above the title. I do not know that Andy ever could.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Andy Griffith's name appeared above the credits for "Onionhead"
>

> So?

>
>
> > Van Dyke had his name above the title for "Fitzwilly". For "Divorce
>
> > American Style", his name, along with the rest of the main cast, appeared
>
> > above the title.
>
>
>

> So?
>
> Is this supposed to *prove* anything, one way or another?
>
> What other junk do you have to "prove" your point?


Not that I expect you to actually read anything before vomiting a response, but I was responding directly to another poster's assertion.