Sorry, I'm a zero based fellow and it's over on Dec 31, 2009.
The century and millenium start-and-end years end in 1. Decades tend
to be referred to by the tens, though, starting and ending with years
ending in zero. It's all completely arbitrary, but I'd come down on
the side that says the current "decade" ends tomorrow.
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> Anyone want to argue this point?
Not me. Nothing personal, but this kind of thing has grown tiresome.
The easy way to think about it is when you turned "10", it means you
lived ten years on the planet i.e. a decade. On the last day of your
tenth year you are nearing living 11 years which is not a decade. So,
on Dec. 31, 2009 we're ending a decade of 200x.
It may be a new year "starting" but it's more an acknowledgement of the
passing of the previous year.
I'm going with WIZ on this one.
It ain't over for another year.
GO WIZLENIUM
Mark
Every year on 31 December another decade is over, from the same date ten years
previously.
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>"J.D. Baldwin" <INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:hherdk$6d9$1...@reader1.panix.com...
>>
>> In the previous article, The Kentucky Wizard <KyWi...@insightbb.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Anyone want to argue this point? And please, don't mention any
>>> religions this time.
>>
>> The century and millenium start-and-end years end in 1. Decades tend
>> to be referred to by the tens, though, starting and ending with years
>> ending in zero. It's all completely arbitrary, but I'd come down on
>> the side that says the current "decade" ends tomorrow.
>
>The easy way to think about it is when you turned "10", it means you
>lived ten years on the planet i.e. a decade. On the last day of your
>tenth year you are nearing living 11 years which is not a decade. So,
>on Dec. 31, 2009 we're ending a decade of 200x.
That's the false way of thinking about it, but it's impossible to mention the
true way without mentioning religion, which we were asked not to do.
A decade is ten years. Any damn ten years you like. Yes, there was
no year 0, but there was no year 1 either. It was named way after the
fact. We could have a year 0 if we liked, if everyone would agree to
it.
Bottom line is that it's all a matter of opinion.
>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:55:27 -0500, "The Kentucky Wizard"
><KyWi...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>Anyone want to argue this point? And please, don't mention any religions
>>this time.
>
>Every year on 31 December another decade is over, from the same date ten years
>previously.
For that matter, every April 22nd marks a decade since the April 22nd
10 years previous.
That too.
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in message
>news:th0mj5pf1fuk2bt9v...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:55:27 -0500, "The Kentucky Wizard"
>> <KyWi...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Anyone want to argue this point? And please, don't mention any religions
>>>this time.
>>
>> Every year on 31 December another decade is over, from the same date ten
>> years
>> previously.
>
> Cute and techinically correct, but you still don't get that cigar!
What cigar?
every april 22nd marks the anniversary of the april 22nd i was born.
should i live until 04-22-10, it will be the end of five decades and
the beginning of my sixth.
But we don't count decades the way we do centuries and millenia. The
"first millenium" ran 1-1000, the second 1001-2000, the third
2001-3000. Likewise first, second, ... twentieth centuries are 1-100,
101-200, 1901-2000.
But we don't say Chubby Checker was popular in the "196th decade," we
say he was popular in the "1950s," whose name implies 1950-1959.
Don't you think it would be just a wee bit silly to claim that 1950
isn't "in" the 1950s?
Sorry to hear you'll be retiring from Usenet.
>
>In the previous article, MWB <bic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Whoa up...There wasn't a year 0000.
>
>But we don't count decades the way we do centuries and millenia. The
>"first millenium" ran 1-1000, the second 1001-2000, the third
>2001-3000. Likewise first, second, ... twentieth centuries are 1-100,
>101-200, 1901-2000.
>
>But we don't say Chubby Checker was popular in the "196th decade," we
>say he was popular in the "1950s," whose name implies 1950-1959.
>Don't you think it would be just a wee bit silly to claim that 1950
>isn't "in" the 1950s?
Quite.
So the decade that no one has a name for will end tomorrow, but the first
decade of the 21st century will end in a year's time.
D'oh!
OK, substitute Bill Haley or the hula hoop or something.
Any scheme that puts Patti Page in the same box as Buddy Holly is flawed from
the get-go....r
--
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
Whereas the socio-political, cultural Sixties decade(in the USA)
occurred from 1963/1964 until 1973/1974.
While we're gnawing on the "0" and "1" years, let me throw out another
one that always drives people crazy, and often perpetuates at least 50
posts per thread(in a thread of its own).
"If a tree falls in the forest, and no person is there to hear it,
does it make a sound?"
Are taking away ~6 to ~8 years for correct CE?
No. A sound is the result of the movement of air across an eardrum.
No eardrum, no sound.
>In article
Many things likely to be in forests besides people have eardrums though.
Absolutely. It's absurd to presume (as the original statement does)
that only humans hear sounds.
I think a case can be made for the Sixties beginning and ending at different
times depending on whether you mean the social, cultural, political or
technological Sixties (just as an example, the last ended when Armstrong dropped
his boot in Tranquility)....
>"If a tree falls in the forest, and no person is there to hear it,
>does it make a sound?"
Wha!...who said that?...r
My Killer Chihuahua hears people coming to our house, sometimes as early as
five minutes before they arrive at the door. He also knows the sound of any
UPS, FED EX, and USPS vehicle when they either pass or stop by to deliver a
package, and they all know to have a dog treat waiting for him as well, for
he won't hardly let them down off the porch if they don't. He also knows
what a pizza delivery person looks like, regardless of the outfit they're
wearing or crappy car they're driving. It's almost spooky at times the
things he hears and knows.
You gave up after only three posts? I'm disappointed in your, Brad ole pal.
Terry hasn't even hovered in with a smutty word yet, but I'm still holding
out hope.
I don't know, but after following this thread, so far I've been able to come
to the following conclusion;
If a tree in the forest falls on a decade, any decade, it's doesn't make a
sound, since a one or a zero don't have an eardrum, and Brad Ferguson wasn't
around to hear it.
> "Brad Ferguson" <thir...@frXOXed.net> wrote in message
> news:301220090125395437%thir...@frXOXed.net...
> > In article <nNidneUz98DOdqfW...@insightbb.com>, The
> > Kentucky Wizard <KyWi...@insightbb.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone want to argue this point?
> >
> >
> > Not me. Nothing personal, but this kind of thing has grown tiresome.
>
> You gave up after only three posts? I'm disappointed in your, Brad ole pal.
Nah. I gave up on it ten years ago. This decade thing is the same old
argument.
Further, Roy is on your side. Doesn't that bother you?
So, in other words, mood rings don't fall under your definition of the
technological Sixties? ;-)
that's always been my answer.
Not only does it not make a sound if no one is there, it doesn't make
a sound if *I* am not there.
Bingo...same with lava lamps and microwave ovens...they may have *existed* in
196x, but I never saw one....r
>
> "Brad Ferguson" <thir...@frXOXed.net> wrote in message
> news:311220091024005130%thir...@frXOXed.net...
> God is certainly not on your side when you keep attacking me,
> Brad.
> Why don't you grow up already and stop the inane attacks.
It was a fair question, given the fact that Wiz drops a bomb on you
like every six hours or so.
Further, I have not been asking for divine guidance. He has enough on
his plate already.
> On 31 Dec 2009 09:12:41 -0800, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Bingo...same with lava lamps and microwave ovens...they may have *existed* in
> >196x, but I never saw one....r
>
> I was *very* surprised by the reference to a microwave oven in 1966's
> "Seconds". I don't think I saw one until 1972 at the earliest, at
> which time they were still viewed with much more suspicion than they
> are now.
>
> I used to work for an insane cat lady who wouldn't even boil water in
> a microwave oven to make tea, because Irradiated Food Is Bad.
I saw one demonstrated on I've Got a Secret in 1964. The claim was
that you could cook an entire Thanksgiving dinner in like six seconds.
The microwave was the size of a Good Humor ice cream cart.
The first time I ever used one was in 1970, in my college cafeteria,
and it had been there for a couple of years. Several years later I was
visiting a friend in the hospital. She wanted some McDonald's, so I
got her a burger and fries. She said there was a microwave in the
doctors' lounge, so we went in there and used it. It was the first
time in my life that I'd ever had a hot McBurger.
The first time I ever heard of a microwave oven was around 1967/1968.
I was reading an article about the Monkees in some teen zine, and
there was a mention that Mike Nesmith bought a microwave oven, with
Mike boasting something like, "I can cook a hot dog in ten seconds. I
thought that was incredible...now I bitch if I my leftovers don't get
hot in 30 seconds.
The fact that you know this is truly pitiful.
Why?
It sounded so futuristic that I couldn't believe it was for
real...then about 5 years or so later(circa 1973), they appeared
everywhere...I don't think I owned a microwave oven until 1984 or so.
Well, couldn't use it with a metal pan of any sort. Strike One.
Tried roasting a duck in the thing. Dried out the duck without
rendering any of the fat out of it. Strike Two.
I think she tried baking some bran muffins in it. What a royal mess
that made. Strike Three.
Indeed, we went through any number of recipes and wrecked a lot of
ingredients. Finally figured that the thing wasn't for cooking up
meals out of ingredients, just for heating up leftovers and making
instant coffee.
In the end, we were very happy to give it back to the manufacturer,
who wasn't happy with our list of limitations on what it might do.
Also happy to reposess the space it took up. Never have owned one of
the things.
Lava lamps? I had to run a search to find out what those are. I may
actually have seen one or two, but don't recall when or where.
Hank
I never heard of lava lamps either until well after the Sixties.
Your list of drawbacks to the microwave oven pales in comparison to my similar
list for CFL light bulbs....
>Lava lamps? I had to run a search to find out what those are. I may
>actually have seen one or two, but don't recall when or where.
Nowadays, all you need to do to signal "Sixties" in a play, movie or TV show is
hang a beaded curtain across a doorway, toss in a bean-bag chair or two, put a
lava lamp in the middle of the room, and pop some sitar music on the
soundtrack....
If you're *really* trying to hit people over the head with the era, you hang up
a poster of a smiley face that says "Have a Nice Day"...this ensures that anyone
who actually *lived* through the 1960s will be able to tell that your scene is
set somewhere around nineteen-sixty-fourteen....r
Yep, he's smarter than both of us combined. You'll never see him posting on
newsgroups.
Did she live in Washington State?
It severely bothers me, in a way that mere words cannot express. Thanks for
pointing it out to everyone else. ;-)
Grab a mirror and try that experiment on yourself first, then let us know
the results. We'll wait.
Oh, btw, the "Mythbusters" guys called, they still don't need your
assistance, and sending them naked photos of yourself isn't an incentive, so
they asked (again) that you please leave them alone.
I take it you haven't checked out alt.fan.chalupa....r
They simply won't fit in about half of the light fixtures in this
house. Either too long and/or too wide at the base. If I'm going to
be forced to use them, I'm going to have to spend some serious money
for replacement fixtures.
What's absurd about the whole business is that in my house, the total
energy savings is too small to measure. I live in the Northern
Rockies, and much of the house is heated by electrical baseboard
heater. That means that for about ten months of the year, the heat
the bulbs don't generate will have to be made up by the baseboard
heaters. Seen one kilowatt-hour, seen them all.
And that follows on last year's switch to "improve" television by
changing to digital. What that adds up to was changing the RF
frequencies of the channels to frequencies that don't propagate out my
way. So much for over-the-air traditional television. Along with
several of my neighbors, I'll simply do without---at least until and
unless I can get the one channel I watched a few hours per month over
the internet.
>>Lava lamps? I had to run a search to find out what those are. I may
>>actually have seen one or two, but don't recall when or where.
>
>Nowadays, all you need to do to signal "Sixties" in a play, movie or TV show is
>hang a beaded curtain across a doorway, toss in a bean-bag chair or two, put a
>lava lamp in the middle of the room, and pop some sitar music on the
>soundtrack....
>
>If you're *really* trying to hit people over the head with the era, you hang up
>a poster of a smiley face that says "Have a Nice Day"...this ensures that anyone
>who actually *lived* through the 1960s will be able to tell that your scene is
>set somewhere around nineteen-sixty-fourteen....r
>
I suppose. My wife and I bought a house in 1967, and went on a buying
spree to fill in what we didn't already have, so about half of what I
have in this house today is from that era. I suppose a movie set
could add a "Nixon's the One" poster to make it complete.
Hank
>> I suppose. My wife and I bought a house in 1967, and went on a buying
>> spree to fill in what we didn't already have, so about half of what I
>> have in this house today is from that era.
>
>
>> I suppose a movie set
>> could add a "Nixon's the One" poster to make it complete.
>
> Only if you put next to it a picture of a pregnant woman.
Roy is living proof that insanity has a language all its own ...
********
> And no ... The Bald Soprano is not a play about Roy Lieberman's birth
> defect.
One correction for your inane remark, Bobo: I do NOT have a birth
defect.
But I know someone in NZ who has a major one in making fun of
someone who merely was premature.
You are a total ass, and if I ever thought about visiting you when
I was thinking of visiting NZ, you destroyed it with your idiocy.
Go stick your head in the dirt, and gain some real brains, and
maybe you will also become a real human being.
- From "The Sayings of Roy"
"I was born with the defect."
- From "The Sayings of Roy"
I don't know--I'm color blind myself! LOL!
I see the colors--I just don't know what they are labeled!
Esp. the crazy-mixed colors like 'fushia'--what kind of a color name is
that, and what the hell color is it, anyway!?
I see the basic colors, otherwise I couldn't drive a car, but I just
have trouble labeling what a certain color is--if it isn't 'Sun-Yellow',
'Grass-Green', 'StopLight-Red', 'FlashingCaution-Orange',
'Chocolate-flavored licorice whips', oops, not that last one!
- From "The Sayings of Roy"
You know, I wouldn't mind (sometimes--like right
now) giving it to you with an object that is larger than your rectum.
> > Did anyone else experience a deer-in-the-headlights moment upon
> > reading this?
>
> Until I saw who the sender was. Then I remembered he has "the defect".
What is that, a disease or something?
Sometimes, it happens to preemies because of the lack of oxygen,
and this was over half-a-century ago, when preemies didn't usually survive
when they were that tiny.
I've been told it was a near-miracle I survived at all and wasn't
blind at birth.
I must be here for some reason--such as to annoy you and some
other birdbrains. ;-)
>At least he has revealed there is something amiss. Not all "preemies"
>grow up without some defects, physical or psychological.
>He really does act a lot like a young girl, but now I'm beginning to
>understand a little more about why.
You don't have to accept TdF's stupid-inaccurate line, unless you
want to be labeled that yourself.
I don't act like what he thinks, I just don't process some social
skills as easily as others, due from the preemie condition *or* from a
possible genetic basis, probably from the female parent side, who was a
bona-fide creepy woman.
I'm almost like you--except I'm smarter and my natural strength
is with number processing and mathematics/computers, since it is precise and
not subject to interpretative biases as are the social sciences. ;-D
- From "The Sayings of Roy"