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How "Macedonian" is the population of FYROM? Rather Slavs!

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Panayiotis

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Jun 22, 2009, 4:21:48 AM6/22/09
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"And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."
(Strabo VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])
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http://www.un.org/en/members/growth.shtml
By resolution A/RES/47/225 of 8 April 1993, the General Assembly decided to
admit as a Member of the United Nations the State being provisionally
referred to for all purposes within the United Nations as "The former
Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" pending settlement of the difference that
had arisen over its name.

http://data.un.org/CountryProfile.aspx?crName=The%20Former%20Yugoslav%20Rep.%20of%20Macedonia
No country profile is available.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/countrytemplate_MK.html
Ethnic groups:
Macedonian 64.2%, Albanian 25.2%, Turkish 3.9%, Roma (Gypsy) 2.7%,
Serb 1.8%, other 2.2% (2002 census)

My comments:
1. No mention of Bulgarians in FYROM! What happened to them?
Oh, Greeks as well as Bulgarians in FYROM are covered by the "smart"
2.2%?
2. The Albanian population (not assimilated, yet?!) was 25,2% in 2002
FYROMian manipulated census. Any new figures on that? No growth?

Panayiotis

Krater Makedonski

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Jun 22, 2009, 8:59:55 PM6/22/09
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"Panayiotis" <panayi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h1nf0h$tft$1...@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr...

There several crucial differences between (Republic of) Macedonia and
(Republic of) "HellAss", grkoman.

The first and most important difference is that, UNLIKE "HellAss", which
does not recognise ethic minorities in its population makeup, Macedonia
recognises ethnic minorities and they enjoy ALL of their cultural and
linguistic RIGHTS and all other rights as citizens of Macedonia, surpassing
the international criteria.

Secondly, grkoman, Macedonia does not portray the Albanians or any other
ethnic minority as ethnic Macedonians. Your "HellAss", on the other hand,
portrays every ethnic group (Albanians, Vlachos, Macedonians, the "prosfigy"
from Asia Minor, etc) in "HellAss" as "HellAsses" ("Griks").

Thirdly, grkoman, "HellAss", in its propaganda for the "HellAss"-occupied
part of Macedonia, portrays as "Macedonians" the colonisers - the
"sub-Saharans" (afro-asiatic "Hell-Asses) from the Peloponnesus and the Grik
isles AND the Asia Minor "prosfigies" (refugees) who were settled in that
part of Macedonia in the 1920's on the properties of the expelled native
Macedonians.

As for your queries in respect of Bulgar(ian)s and "HellAsses" in (Republic
of) Macedonia, there may be some Bulgar(ian)s within the turkish ethnic
minority, since the Bulgars are of turko-mongol extraction. As for the
"HellAsses" in Macedonia, you'll probably find some in the "Gypsy"
(Egyptian) minority, since the origins of the "HellAsses" are from Egypt
(Herodotus) and further south (sub-Sahara - DNA studies - 45% distribution
of Negroid DNA on the Peloponnese peninsula)

Spirit of Truth

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Jun 23, 2009, 12:05:25 AM6/23/09
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"Krater Makedonski" <som...@23895bigpond.com.au
> wrote in message news:4a402911$0$7111$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...

Silly, Bulgar, study all the details below and you will see that your
statements are simply false.

And, you only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic majority are
West Bulgarians, like yourself, and have no connection to 'Macedonia'
anything:

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."


And here:


Reference source for Gotse Delchev's numerous utterings of 'We are
Bulgarians'......

Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de
guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as
'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a
designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).
In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are
Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).


And here:


For fair use only.

" Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian
population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages
and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering
the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and
disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming
misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the
attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious
consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not
fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion
which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian
Fatherland...

...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of
the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging
war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the
same.

... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody
thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the
name Bulgar...


Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that
we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now.

The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising"

Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV

This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola,

and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from
September 17th, 1903. "


from: Spirit of Truth

(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!


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