Macedonia - biblical land and the oldest European state
Krater Makedonski
The ancient Macedonian kingdom, which later conquered "HellAss" and the
Persian empire, becoming the Macedonian empire, is the oldest state in
Europe. The roots of European christianity are deeply embedded in Macedonia,
as well.
Enjoy the video clip
ADR
This was just too funny. Keep it up.
Krater Makedonski
"ADR" <aret...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Of course, grkoman. To the ancient "HellAsses" being conquered by the
Macedonians was so "funny" that some of them (like Demosthenes) were
committing sucide. :-))
Panayiotis
"And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."
(Strabo VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])
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"Krater Makedonski" <kra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Most of us remember good old Iliden, the FYROMian that got fired, because he
insisted that the citizens of FYROM are Slavs.
Now the government line has changed: they (the government officials) are
trying to persuade the people to believe they are descendants . . . of the
Ancient Macedonians, like the Hunza!
History, or rather the FYROMian strategy, runs in circles.
Soon, Czar Samuil will dethrone Alexander the Great and our friend Krater
will be in the same lists as our beloved Iliden is.
That's life. Till then, keep up the good work, Krater. Our side is most
greatful to you for the way you present/support the FYROMian interests.
Panayiotis
Krater Makedonski
"Panayiotis" <panayi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You just keep feeding your flying pigs and don't you strain your diminutive
number of brain cells about me. I have never, NOR will I ever support
"FYROMian" interests. I only represent my MACEDONIAN interests,
"sub-Saharan". "FYROM" is an invention of the "sub-Saharans" from "Black
Athena" ("HellAss") who still believe that pigs can fly, hence their
ABSURD/INSANE behaviour against Macedonia(ns).
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ADR
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> "And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."
> (Strabo VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])
> ======================================"Krater Makedonski" <kra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:4a49c236$0$15277$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
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> >news:905e533a-3b9b-474e...@l30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 29, 6:57 pm, "Krater Makedonski" <kra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-d82hpSz-0&feature=channel
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> >> The ancient Macedonian kingdom, which later conquered "HellAss" and the
> >> Persian empire, becoming the Macedonian empire, is the oldest state in
> >> Europe. The roots of European christianity are deeply embedded in
> >> Macedonia,
> >> as well.
>
> >> Enjoy the video clip
>
> > This was just too funny. Keep it up.
>
> > Of course, grkoman. To the ancient "HellAsses" being conquered by the
> > Macedonians was so "funny" that some of them (like Demosthenes) were
> > committing sucide. :-))
>
> Most of us remember good old Iliden, the FYROMian that got fired, because he
> insisted that the citizens of FYROM are Slavs.
> Now the government line has changed: they (the government officials) are
> trying to persuade the people to believe they are descendants . . . of the
> Ancient Macedonians, like the Hunza!
>
> History, or rather the FYROMian strategy, runs in circles.
> Soon, Czar Samuil will dethrone Alexander the Great and our friend Krater
> will be in the same lists as our beloved Iliden is.
> That's life. Till then, keep up the good work, Krater. Our side is most
> greatful to you for the way you present/support the FYROMian interests.
>
> Panayiotis
I know that Ilinden disappeared from the scene but was he "fired"?
As for Czar Samuel, it would be a tough going there as the man had the
title "Czar of Bulgaria"!!! That would be a bit tough to get around,
don't you think?
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
The official line is simple:
Where u see Bulgarian, they mend "Macedonia".
Also, he was Tzar of Bulgaria, but he was "Macedonian" in hard, and
East Roman Empire and pope and aliens denied him the title "Tzar of
Macedonia". Of course, he knew that 1000 later, Crater, this all shiny
armored knight of the truth will realize that and avenge him and
restore Samuil's honor.
I simply do not understand what kind of evidence people like Zhivko
(and his officers) will accept before give up and admit the starting
year of their state is 1944.
and for Zhivko,
keep up the good job, soon Bulgaria also will be present on "name"
talks between Greece and RM, with our own demands to stop stealing
Bulgarian history and heritage and stop the racist anti-Bulgarian
propaganda in RM.
Thx
Nikolay
Spirit of Truth
Very silly post, Bulgar.
Bury on the Macedonian Greeks
For fair use only:
"If the chances of another issue to the battle of Chaeronea have been
exaggerated, the significance of that event has been often
misrepresented. The battle of Chaeronea belongs to the same historical
series as the battles of Aegospotami (405 B.C.) and Leuctra (371 B.C.).
As the hegemony or first place among Greek states had passed successively
from Athens to Sparta, and to Thebes, so now it passed to Macedon. The
statement that Greek liberty perished on the plain of Chaeronea is as true
or as false as that it perished on the field of
Leuctra or the strand of the Goat's River. Whenever a Greek state
became supreme, that supremacy entailed the depression of some
states and the dependency or subjection of others. Athens was
reduced to a secondary place by Macedon, and Thebes fared still
worse; but we must not forget what Sparta, in the day of her triumph,
did to Athens, or the more evil things which Thebes proposed."
Spirit of Truth
Spirit of Truth
> and don't you strain your diminutive number of brain cells about me. I
> have never, NOR will I ever support "FYROMian" interests. I only represent
> my MACEDONIAN interests, "sub-Saharan". "FYROM" is an invention of the
> "sub-Saharans" from "Black Athena" ("HellAss") who still believe that pigs
> can fly, hence their ABSURD/INSANE behaviour against Macedonia(ns).
Perhaps you should look in the mirror when talking about insanity, Bulgar.
You only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic majority are simply
West Bulgarians and have no connection to 'Macedonia' anything:
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
And here:
Reference source for Gotse Delchev's numerous utterings of 'We are
Bulgarians'......
Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de
guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as
'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a
designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).
In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are
Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).
And here:
For fair use only.
" Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian
population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages
and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering
the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and
disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming
misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the
attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious
consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not
fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion
which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian
Fatherland...
...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of
the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging
war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the
same.
... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody
thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the
name Bulgar...
Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that
we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now.
The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising"
Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV
This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola,
and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from
September 17th, 1903. "
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
Spirit of Truth
"Nikolay Sarmadzhiev" <niko...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thx
Nikolay
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Take this with you to provide real history to today's unknowing people.
ADR
Spirit of Truth,
I would appreciate if if you stop using the term Bulgar or Bulgarian
as an insult. I think that we are better than our friend Wine Jar.
Spirit of Truth
Spirit of Truth,
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Neither Bulgar nor Bulgarian is an insult. That is what you should
of been stating as TRUTH since the beginning NOT propitiating
to their unmitigated nonsense as you are want to do.
Spirit of Truth
ADR
> "ADR" <aretz...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
There are no more Bulgars around. In fact, there have been any for
1000 years. So, what is the reason for using this term? Anyway, the
context of your postings makes clear in what context you are using
these. As we have a number of Bulgarian posters (and even if we did
not), I think that it would be appropriate to work withn a framework
of respect.
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
Of course there are Bulgars, but not in Balkan Bulgaria.
Balhars are still living in Caucasus and Bolgar is 'second' official
name of Chuvashian language :-)
I do not get offended by been called Bulgar or Bulgairan or even
Vugaroi :-)
I do mind to be called 'Macedonian' or 'enichar'.
ADR
OK, Nikolay...thanks for this. You have, however, to understand that
in the Greek context the term "Bulgarian" was (and probably remains)
pejorative very much as the term "Turk" with both mapping very close
to the term"Vandal" and/or "vulgar" (destructive, coarse,
unsophisticated) in English. I would prefer to have these terms
expunged, if possible. Anyway, if I remember correctly, Ivan the
Terrible eradicated the Volga Bulgars. Some elements of these
probably remained but very faint ones.
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
I am well aware for Greek usage of term "Vulgaroi".
Ivan the Terrible did not eradicate Bolgars at Volga. The worst blow
was from Tataro-Mongols that literally eradicate the country.
The reason been, that for 13 years Bolgars were defeating then in one
war after the other, even Chingiz was defeated by them and his
soldiers were sold back to him one soldier for one tup (sheep).
Ivan IV defeated Kazan State, and took the title grand knjaz of
Bulgaria.
Those were musilm Bolgars at Volga. Chuvash were (most likely) Bolgar
tribe that did not accept Islam and remain pagan. They were not part
of Volga Bulgaria and as such survived Tatars, more or less in tact.
However later most of them became Christians.
Today Volga tatars (not to be mistake with Siberia or Crimeria Tatars)
are most likely a mix of Buglarians/Mongols?/Kipchaks (or Cumans) and
etc. Still Tatarstan's history retain the basic concept that they are
descendant state of Volga Bulgaria.
To add to the mix, the name Tatars was given to those people by
Russians, they called the entire population their tatars, without
consider ethnicity.
I even met one Bulgarian from Volga (he is very shy when calls me
brother :-) ) that never been Misulm, Russians has a different term
for them "krystenci" or baptized.
And of course Balhars in Caucasus r still around, also Osetins, but
they seems to be mostly new comers that accepted the ethnonim Bolgars
Krater Makedonski
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***I do not get offended by been called Bulgar or Bulgairan or even
Vugaroi :-) I do mind to be called 'Macedonian' or 'enichar'.***
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The above two utterings of Sarmadzhiev expose brilliantly the INSANE
ABSURDITY of the Macedonian BUGAROMANI (artificial "Bulgar(ian)s"). They do
not mind being called something that they racially are NOT, but they despise
being identified by their own (Macedonian) racial origins. You are a
first-class MACEDONIAN janichar (yanichar), BUGAROMAN. There is NO doubt
whatsoever about that.
The Macedonian GRKOMANI parallel this same INSANE ABSURDITY by adopting the
"HellAss" identity in brother/sisterhood with the "sub-Saharans"
(Afro-Asiats) from "Black Athena", denouncing their ethnic/racial Macedonian
identity.
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
> "Nikolay Sarmadzhiev" <nikola...@gmail.com> wrote in message
.... and Chuvash are racially different from U?
I thought they were from white race, their "Mongolic" genes, whatever
that means,
is lesser then the surrounding Russian population.
Same with the small number of kreshtenci, I know.
I am not a MACEDONIAN ethnically, and certainly don't want to be
associated with Alexandar, Crater and whose not.
I and all our ancestors from 600 AD onward, in the Balkans were called
Bulgarians (mostly) and called themselves Bulgarians - always.
Where is your stone inscription that says
... "I am Macedonian, my fathers were Macedonians and I build this
castle to protect Macedonians" from 11th century
... or "I am the Ruler of the countless Macedonian" from 8th century
... or "My uncles form Bitolia did not believed ?nose-cutted? and
returned home" from 7th century -> by Bulgarian Kesar Tervel.
Let me tell u only for the period 9-11th century there are around
Glagolic/Greek/Cyrillic 400 stone inscriptions in Bulgarian, in old
Bulgaria, I guess you know how many has "Macedonia" in them :-).
Spirit of Truth
Stop being asinine.
Those you talk of are called Proto-Bulgars.
Learn and stop being so self-righteous!
>>So, what is the reason for using this term? Anyway, the
context of your postings makes clear in what context you are using
these. As we have a number of Bulgarian posters (and even if we did
not), I think that it would be appropriate to work withn a framework
>>of respect.
The Fyromian revisionists get to confront the truth trom me
while you pussyfoot around the truth.
I have many Bulgar friends, actually.
Spirit of Truth
Spirit of Truth
Not in the modern world, silly.
Where on earth have you been these past 30 years?!!!! You are
living in a commie-minded world of your own!
Spirit of Truth
Spirit of Truth
You, Bulgar, are simply a RACIST unable to confront yourself. Yu were born
a Bulgar and NOTHING is going to change that.
Spirit of Truth
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Spirit of Truth
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Amen
Spirit of Truth
ADR
> Let me tell u only for the period 9-11th century there are around
> Glagolic/Greek/Cyrillic 400 stone inscriptions in Bulgarian, in old
> Bulgaria, I guess you know how many has "Macedonia" in them :-).
Nikolay, do you think you can win this game on logic??? No way. This
question has been repeatedly asked and you as you guess these poor
Macedonians were again victims of the few Bulgarians who violently
suppressed them and assimilated them. It always happens to them.
Now, it is the Greeks who are the bad guys....whatever.
These facts are in clear evidence for all to see in modern day FYROM
but the vast majority chooses not to see them. An epidemic of
national blindness, so to speak. This is not a discussion about logic
anymore, it is a discussion about feelings and the need to belong
somewhere but definitely not in Bulgaria!!! After a couple of
generations of these people being told that they have nothing in
common with Bulgarians, do you think that logic can undo the
damage??? Not likely. Our friend, Wine Jar, does not even believe he
is a Slav at all. He is a pure bred ancient Macedonian and prays to
Alexander the Great daily. Do you think that logic would have any
effect on him???
Agamemnon
Macedonia is and has always been part of Greece you racist western Bulgarian
imbecile. It has nothing whatsoever to do with FYROM or any of your Fyromian
Bulgarians speaking Slavic ancestors.
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
Krater is not an "ordinary" Macedonist. Same with Ilinden. My
comments are not directed to him.
The google groups are searchable, many people indecently see them, we
r writing in English after all.
That's why its important to remind some very simple facts. Tomorrow
some American/Russian will tell me again
"the truth is between" -> No its not. So we need to hammer and hammer
and hammer the hard cold stone evidence (in this case literally stone
inscriptions)
so tomorrow the sons of Macedonian emigrants, when they search the web
to see and at least start to question the official line.
Believe me its working, most of the re-awaken Bulgarians from
Macedonia are young people, that became aware independently for their
Bulgarian heritage.
ADR
Nikolay,
I agree with you that most outsiders would tend to think that there is
an area of "compromise" because the truth lies "somewhere in the
middle". This actually only means that they do not know anything
regarding this issue. This can be taken as a given. Most people who
are unaware of the dispute think of it as "peculiar" or "not amounting
to much". They simply fail to understand the magnitude of the issue.
If it was about land, it would have been easy to understand. But
disputes on identities they simply do not get by the very fact that
they have not been any serious ones previously. This problem was only
created by the extreme "social and ethnic engineering" of the
communist era.
I wish that you are right. But I know the power of the modern state
and Orwell described it very well in "1984". Modern states with the
appropriate mass media support can easily shape perceptions. The US
post-9/11/2001 is a very good case of this. The authorities and the
press engineered support for the Iraq invasion, support that would not
have been there if the mass media did not essentially act as boosters
of the official line. I can imagine how more powerful this connection
is in FYROM. I want to be hopeful, however.
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
FYROM is not US
Most of todays Macedonians have visited Bulgaria and have seen the
language and the people there.
Many are asking the question, why I understand and read Bulgarian
freely, and yet again I do have problems understanding Serbian.
We are looking for such people, we need to explain them what is the
truth about their heritage.
Its a slow process, its not one way street as well. Most have double
identity Macedonian and Bulgarian.
All are blaming Bulgaria to be siding with Greece, as much as this
can't be possibly true :-).
My own observation by communicating with people from MKD (this is the
code for R. of Macedonia) is that one should be extremely careful and
one should let them find the truth themselves, otherwise they become
defensive.
You may see the graduation of this forum's UDBA Macedonist
It was a time that they claim, they had nothing in common with todays
inhabitance of Bulgaria (less then Pirin region).
They claimed Bulgarian language is impossible to comprehend from
normal "Macedonian".
Then they claim, we are all slavs, the languages are close and etc.
but Serbian is closer :-).
Now for the language -> Bulgarians speak "Macedonian" they forgot
their Tatarian language.
Also Bulgarians in Bulgaria are actually "otrodoni"/traitor/yanicheri
Macedonians (this less then Dobruja region, where of course Tatarians
live).
All Bulgarian folk songs are "Macedonian" as well.
Unfortunately for UDBA, "Macedonians" are traveling abroad. They can
see and read that Bulgarian is much much much closer if not identical
to their dialect then Serbian. And they know virtually all Bulgarian
words that has been replaced by Serbian in their language. We must
accommodate such readers here. They do not write, they do not
participate, but I hope they read and they at least exercise some
critical thinking. You should have read the uproar in MKD for Music
Idol and how the children are speaking "Bulgarian" in the public
Schools because is cool. I believe this is the way to spread the
light.
P.S. I refuse to be a pessimist or collaborator, I still believe, MKD
will become a normal state with or without Albanian parts.
Spirit of Truth
FYROM is not US
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This has been a real powerful communication tool.
Even some hard-liners began to break down and change
from simple "Macedonian" to "Well, somehow our
ancestors must of been deceived." - and they don't really
believe that...and so they just wail into the night knowing
that they are actually losing their lie to the world at large.
Spirit of Truth.
Spirit of Truth
"Spirit of Truth" <juneh...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
.
> Even hard-liners began to break down and change
ADR
Well, Nikolay, I hope that you are right. I do hope that someday this
rather silly story would come to an end and the dispute would be
over. I hope that FYROM makes without fracturing to too many pieces
because what the area needs is peace and stability. It also needs the
truth, badly. So, for the sake of all of this, I do hope that your
version of events would unfold.
Krater Makedonski
BUGAROMAN,
Despite your above rants, NO peoples of European (white) racial origins can
be Bulgar(ian)s. The true Bulgar(ian)s are/were of TURKO-MONGOL, HUNIC
origins. The TRUE Bulga(rian) language is a TURKIC language. Most of the
"Bulgar(ian)s" of today's Bulgaromania are of native Balkan (European)
stock. What you portray as "Bulgar(ian)/s" now, is ALL makebelieve, nitwit.
You are MAKEBELIEVE "Bulgar(ian)s" even if some of you are not of Macedonian
extraction and there is NO way skirting around this FACT. The TRUE
Bulgar(ian)s in your Bulgaromania are in its ethnic minorities. The rest of
you are, by default, BUGAROMANI - artificial, makebelieve "Bulgar(ian)s",
speaking a NON Bulgar(ian) (Turkic) language, of MACEDONIAN-ORIGINS. YOUR
own historians tell you this. All you have to do is read their books. In my
past correspondence here I have cited excerpts from several of them.
Krater Makedonski
On Jul 1, 5:54 pm, Nikolay Sarmadzhiev <nikola...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me tell u only for the period 9-11th century there are around
> Glagolic/Greek/Cyrillic 400 stone inscriptions in Bulgarian, in old
> Bulgaria, I guess you know how many has "Macedonia" in them :-).
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Nikolay, do you think you can win this game on logic???
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He, he, he.... You should have been a comedian, grkoman. How is this for
(your kind of) "logic":
Albanians, Vlachs, "Slavs", Macedonians and the Peloponnesian and islander
"sub-Saharans" (Afro-Asiatic "Greeks") all mutating into a single
"monoethnic" population of "HellAsses" ("Greeks"), kinfolk of the ancient
Macedonians and descendants of the ancient "HellAsses" ("Greeks"). He, he,
he...
As for the "logic" of your bugaroman-anti Macedonian comrade-in-arms, it is
just as comical: There we have three major native Balkan (european) ethnic
groups - Macedonians, Trakians and Vlachs and the "newcomers", the phantom
"Slavs" (no known origins for them prior to the 5th C) - all mutating into a
MAKEBELIEVE single "Bulgar(ian)" ethnicity - the true Bulgar(ian)s being of
asiatic, Turko-Mongol origins.
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No way. This
question has been repeatedly asked and you as you guess these poor
Macedonians were again victims of the few Bulgarians who violently
suppressed them and assimilated them. It always happens to them.
Now, it is the Greeks who are the bad guys....whatever.
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You can laugh at this all you like, grkoman, but unfortunately it
(oppression and assimilation) is still an ongoing process in both
Bulgaromania and in "HellAss".
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These facts are in clear evidence for all to see in modern day FYROM
but the vast majority chooses not to see them. An epidemic of
national blindness, so to speak.
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Of course, grkoman. All Macedonians are blind and stupid and all of the
"sub-Saharans" of "Black Athena" ("HellAss"/"Geece") and all of the
"Bulgar(ian)s" of Bulgaromania ("Bulgaria") are the perfect nature's gift.
He, he, he...
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This is not a discussion about logic
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Of course it is NOT about logic, nitwit. You wouldn't know logic even if it
smashed into your pumpkin. Your "logic" is galaxies away from the REAL
logic, grkoman.
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anymore, it is a discussion about feelings and the need to belong
somewhere but definitely not in Bulgaria!!! After a couple of
generations of these people being told that they have nothing in
common with Bulgarians, do you think that logic can undo the
damage??? Not likely. Our friend, Wine Jar, does not even believe he
is a Slav at all. He is a pure bred ancient Macedonian and prays to
Alexander the Great daily. Do you think that logic would have any
effect on him???
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There is no such a thing as a "purebred" race/ethnicity, grkoman, except in
MONOETHNIC "HellAss". NO Macedonian, including myself, has ever claimed to
be "purebred". Spewing out LIES of that nature, grkoman, will not bring you
anything positive. That kind of behaviour only shows for what you truly
are - a slimy, LYING lowlife.
Spirit of Truth
> Despite your above rants, NO peoples of European (white) racial origins
> can be Bulgar(ian)s. The true Bulgar(ian)s are/were of TURKO-MONGOL, HUNIC
> origins. The TRUE Bulga(rian) language is a TURKIC language. Most of the
> "Bulgar(ian)s" of today's Bulgaromania are of native Balkan (European)
> stock. What you portray as "Bulgar(ian)/s" now, is ALL makebelieve,
> nitwit. You are MAKEBELIEVE "Bulgar(ian)s" even if some of you are not of
> Macedonian extraction and there is NO way skirting around this FACT. The
> TRUE Bulgar(ian)s in your Bulgaromania are in its ethnic minorities. The
> rest of you are, by default, BUGAROMANI - artificial, makebelieve
> "Bulgar(ian)s", speaking a NON Bulgar(ian) (Turkic) language, of
> MACEDONIAN-ORIGINS. YOUR own historians tell you this. All you have to do
> is read their books. In my past correspondence here I have cited excerpts
> from several of them.
Silly post, Bulgar. Read the truth about your forebares:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bulgarian_Empire
Spirit of Truth
Spirit of Truth
"Krater Makedonski" <kra...@yahoo.com
> wrote in message news:4a4daede$0$2538$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Silly.
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
As you see, Bulgar, the Fyromians are nothing but West Bulgarians.
Spirit of Truth
ADR
1, 5:54 pm, Nikolay Sarmadzhiev <nikola...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me tell u only for the period 9-11th century there are around
> > Glagolic/Greek/Cyrillic 400 stone inscriptions in Bulgarian, in old
> > Bulgaria, I guess you know how many has "Macedonia" in them :-).
>
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> Nikolay, do you think you can win this game on logic???
> -----------------------------------------
> He, he, he.... You should have been a comedian, grkoman. How is this for
> (your kind of) "logic":
>
> Albanians, Vlachs, "Slavs", Macedonians and the Peloponnesian and islander
> "sub-Saharans" (Afro-Asiatic "Greeks") all mutating into a single
> "monoethnic" population of "HellAsses" ("Greeks"), kinfolk of the ancient
> Macedonians and descendants of the ancient "HellAsses" ("Greeks"). He, he,
> he...
>
> As for the "logic" of your bugaroman-anti Macedonian comrade-in-arms, it is
> just as comical: There we have three major native Balkan (european) ethnic
> groups - Macedonians, Trakians and Vlachs and the "newcomers", the phantom
> "Slavs" (no known origins for them prior to the 5th C) - all mutating into a
> MAKEBELIEVE single "Bulgar(ian)" ethnicity - the true Bulgar(ian)s being of
> asiatic, Turko-Mongol origins.
My dear friend, Wine Jar. What's up with you today? Are you cranky??
I like the "phantom" Slavs thingy....With so many slavs around
(Serbians, Croatians, Slovenes, Montenegrins, Slovakias, Czechs,
Poles, Russians and Ukranians - just to mention a few) this idea of
"phantom" is surely a bit overworked, don't you think?? And that the
inhabitants of Thrace and lower Illyria (and some in Northern
Macedonia) "mutated" to Bulgarians is not a far-out concept, unless,
of course you have failed to read any history at all. In fact, in the
first Bulgarian kingdom, the "Bulgars" were prosecuted and
suppressed. Read some history. It is good for the soul. Any
standard text on the medieval Balkans will do. No, Bulgarians are not
of Turko-Mongol origin. The original Bulgars were. And even those
were not alone but accompanied by a large number of Slavic followers.
In any case, you have heard this before but you choose to deny what is
evident and what is in every text book of history around the world.
> No way. This
> question has been repeatedly asked and you as you guess these poor
> Macedonians were again victims of the few Bulgarians who violently
> suppressed them and assimilated them. It always happens to them.
> Now, it is the Greeks who are the bad guys....whatever.
> ----------------------------------------------
> You can laugh at this all you like, grkoman, but unfortunately it
> (oppression and assimilation) is still an ongoing process in both
> Bulgaromania and in "HellAss".
What do you think is in the DNA of these "Macedonians" that makes so
see to be assimilated????
> ----------------------------------------------
> anymore, it is a discussion about feelings and the need to belong
> somewhere but definitely not in Bulgaria!!! After a couple of
> generations of these people being told that they have nothing in
> common with Bulgarians, do you think that logic can undo the
> damage??? Not likely. Our friend, Wine Jar, does not even believe he
> is a Slav at all. He is a pure bred ancient Macedonian and prays to
> Alexander the Great daily. Do you think that logic would have any
> effect on him???
> -----------------------------------------------
> There is no such a thing as a "purebred" race/ethnicity, grkoman, except in
> MONOETHNIC "HellAss". NO Macedonian, including myself, has ever claimed to
> be "purebred". Spewing out LIES of that nature, grkoman, will not bring you
> anything positive. That kind of behaviour only shows for what you truly
> are - a slimy, LYING lowlife.
You are not a "purebred" Macedonian, Wine Jar??? I am shocked! I
thought that you believed that you were a direct descendant of
Alexander the Great! Not true? So, what's the mixture? A bit of
Slav here and there, some Albanian, a little bit of Turkish, some
Bulgar...what? Let us know! I am dying to know.
Listen, Wine Jar, you cannot believe this, can you??? I am
disappointed. Is it even possible that you are one of these
"HellAsses"??? Shocking, shocking!!
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
OK,
I have post a bunch of questions, to mention a few
do u know the race of Chuvash people?
Do u know their DNA classification?
Are they different then 'Macedonian' and to what degree?
Let add some more:
Do u know the race or the DNA analysis of the skull and remains of
Bulgars from Bitolia and Dorogea?
(I am pointing to the two Balkan regions where the scripts and arch.
findings showing Bulgar's settlements)
Do u have any idea what is Didru Archeological Culture?
Some interesting facts:
Huns were describe in the text as kind of Mongolic, Bulgars were not.
There r no evidence that Bulgars were Mongolic. None.
All drawings, scripts and even the recent archeological data pointing
to Caucasus type people.
Hell, even Slavs where noted as "different" in the chronics, but
Bulgars were not.
and some side note,
Thank you Zhive, that u admit that not ALL todays Bulgarian are
"Macedonians" by descent.
Its so refreshing to see some positive notes, and finally I am
convince, I was from the Bulgarian
minority in Bulgaria and this is why I was force to leave the country
for USA. My cousin wants to come in America, he needs a Green Card.
He is also from the Bulgarian minority. DO u think he can get refugee
status?
After all in Bulgaria, those 'Macedonians' are controlling the state
and we real Bulgarians suffer for the last 100 years.
This is after a 'Macedonian' invented us in 1761.
As proofs I can add to the list
President -> half 'Macedonian', married for 'Macedonian'
PM of Bulgarian -> 'Macedonian'
Speaker of the Parliament -> 'Macedonian'
Chief Justice -> 'Macedonian'
Attorney General -> 'Macedonian'
...............
I can see know your point now.