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Steve Thomas  
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 More options Oct 3 2008, 2:18 am
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.elections, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, alt.news-media
From: Steve Thomas <misledrks...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Oct 3 2008 2:18 am
Subject: 14 Joe Biden Debate lies
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to
increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT
VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama
never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud
Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden
attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has
opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to
“raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain
and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the
field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the
President of the United States had already said he would veto
regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal,
but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new
coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal
and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is
exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for
alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on
people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset
any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is
false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits
tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's
not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military
commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be
applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International
Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were
principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that
could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he
actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead
wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize
the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has
been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000
wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise
taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the
four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet
two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were
that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be
part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in
the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama,
Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.


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boo-radley  
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 More options Oct 3 2008, 9:36 am
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From: boo-radley <mpmul...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Oct 3 2008 9:36 am
Subject: Re: 14 Joe Biden Debate lies
On Oct 3, 12:18 am, Steve Thomas <misledrks...@aol.com> wrote:

Go to Factcheck.org Palin did the LYING

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leonard78sp@gmail.com  
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 More options Oct 3 2008, 10:31 am
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From: "leonard7...@gmail.com" <leonard7...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:31:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Oct 3 2008 10:31 am
Subject: Re: 14 Joe Biden Debate lies
On Oct 3, 9:36 am, boo-radley <mpmul...@gmail.com> wrote:

** I have found that Factcheck.org is doing
     plenty of lying these days.

     Boo-Boo does plenty of that himself.

- -
   Political correctness is destroying Europe.

   America will be the next down the PC tube
   greased by academic idiots like Scott Erb,
   Noam Chumpsky, and Ward Churchill, and
   Slick Willy & Hilly, Algore & Pelosi, and now
   Barak Hussein Muhammad Obama, too.


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ObKY20  
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(1 user)  More options Oct 3 2008, 10:34 am
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From: "ObKY20" <ObKonOBee...@yahoomail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:34:22 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 3 2008 10:34 am
Subject: Re: 14 Joe Biden Debate lies

<leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:79e9c6b9-bfc0-4cf7-aaaf-dde57a97c0f1@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 3, 9:36 am, boo-radley <mpmul...@gmail.com> wrote:

** I have found that Factcheck.org is doing
     plenty of lying these days.

I have gone to factcheck and I have found BOTH are doing the lying.

NEITHER side can claim honesty in the debates or their campaigns.

It's up to us as voters to check the records and make our own evaluations.
If anyone of you, no matter which side your on, thinks your candidate is
telling us the truth...you're mislead.


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