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Geri.Clark

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Okay, I had a brainstorm last night, and I'm not sure if it's do-
able:

We re-did our main bathroom a few months ago; it is now a sort
of light sage green color, with almost-white trim (including the
louvered doors on the floor-to-ceiling linen closet), white
toilet, white pedestal sink, white tile, etc. We installed a
chrome-and-white light fixture and a plain mirrored medicine
cabinet. It's nice and bright (it's a small room) and looks
clean and new and we basically like it.

But it's a tad boring for my taste. I thought of
several "fixes": a jazzy shower curtain (still haven't found one
I like); some kind of neat art on the walls (I've toyed with
several ideas for this, from anatomical drawings to shadow boxes
to botanical prints); maybe texturing the walls in some way
(ragging, sponging, etc).

Then last night I had an idea -- I'd like to sort-of decoupage
the walls with cut-outs of...something. The ideas that sprang to
mind were insects (cool ones like butterflies and bees and
dragonflies); or leaves/vines/flowers.

Problem is, I have no idea how realistic this idea is. I'll do
some research on it, but has anyone ever tried to do something
like this? Any clue how I'd go about it? Is it a bad idea? Is it
going to be a huge mess and ruin my bathroom? Do you think it'll
look stupid? :-)

Alternately, does anyone have any other ideas? I'll say that I'm
not wild about using a wallpaper border or stencil -- I want to
fill in the walls, not just the borders. I also thought of
stamping the walls with something cool, but haven't yet found
stamps that I like (we are kind of craft-store challeneged here
in the Rotten Apple, so I think I might need to make a trip to
the 'burbs to get what I want).

I'm open to suggestion...

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Vicky Larmour

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In article <07207298...@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com>, Geri.Clark
wrote:
>We re-did our main bathroom a few months ago; it is now a sort
>of light sage green color, with almost-white trim (including the
>louvered doors on the floor-to-ceiling linen closet), white
>toilet, white pedestal sink, white tile, etc. We installed a
>chrome-and-white light fixture and a plain mirrored medicine
>cabinet. It's nice and bright (it's a small room) and looks
>clean and new and we basically like it.

That sounds *lovely*. I love green colours. I can never decide whether
my favourite colour is green or purple/lilac. Luckily, they look good
together so I can have both :-)

>But it's a tad boring for my taste. I thought of
>several "fixes": a jazzy shower curtain (still haven't found one
>I like); some kind of neat art on the walls (I've toyed with
>several ideas for this, from anatomical drawings to shadow boxes
>to botanical prints); maybe texturing the walls in some way
>(ragging, sponging, etc).
>
>Then last night I had an idea -- I'd like to sort-of decoupage
>the walls with cut-outs of...something. The ideas that sprang to
>mind were insects (cool ones like butterflies and bees and
>dragonflies); or leaves/vines/flowers.

My own tastes range more towards the plain side of things, so my
tendency would be to go with the jazzy shower curtain, or some other
isolated "feature", and leave the walls plain. But obviously if your
taste is for more detailed stuff, then the decoupage idea sounds great.
The only potential problem I can see would be making sure that it is
waterproof / steamproof - if the bathroom ever gets steamed up, it
wouldn't be too handy if the stuff started falling off the walls!

We solved our own bathroom decorating problem at the weekend :-) We
badly need to tile the area around the shower - the previous owners
only tiled up to the dado rail at waist height as they didn't have a
shower. When we installed the shower over the bath, the wallpaper in
that area started suffering! The problem was that we really didn't want
to re-tile the whole thing, but couldn't think of any way to fit new
tiles without it looking bitty or not-drawn-togther. Then at the
weekend I found the same tiles as we already have, still available! We
immediately measured up the space we need to tile and bought a load of
tiles. Yay!

Vicky
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T

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"Geri.Clark" wrote:

>
> But it's a tad boring for my taste. I thought of
> several "fixes": a jazzy shower curtain (still haven't found one
> I like); some kind of neat art on the walls (I've toyed with
> several ideas for this, from anatomical drawings to shadow boxes
> to botanical prints); maybe texturing the walls in some way
> (ragging, sponging, etc).
>

These are great and fast. Right now, in fact, I'm putting down a base coat of
(lighter than I was hoping) red/orange to be sponged with two shades of yellow
in our kitchen. And I'm refinishing the cabinets. And I'm waiting for stucco
pricing, but that's another fun story entirely.

When I had a really small bathroom, I also put in a clump of that funky
designer sea grass or whatever; five feet tall and teal swirlies. If you've
got a small bathroom, I like the idea of keeping the scale small and leaving
spaces -- either space around smaller prints or space between borders or
something, but having a focal point or two isn't a bad idea.

>
> Then last night I had an idea -- I'd like to sort-of decoupage
> the walls with cut-outs of...something. The ideas that sprang to
> mind were insects (cool ones like butterflies and bees and
> dragonflies); or leaves/vines/flowers.
>

> Problem is, I have no idea how realistic this idea is. I'll do
> some research on it, but has anyone ever tried to do something
> like this? Any clue how I'd go about it? Is it a bad idea? Is it
> going to be a huge mess and ruin my bathroom? Do you think it'll
> look stupid? :-)

I'm not sure how hellish it would be to remove or paint over (other than simply
caulking in the sides and smoothing it out eventually, but if the bathroom is
fairly small, I'd probably stay with just a few, or a small area rather than
filling up the whole thing with mulitple pieces. If it's a small space, I
wouldn't want it to be too too busy.

> Alternately, does anyone have any other ideas? I'll say that I'm
> not wild about using a wallpaper border or stencil -- I want to
> fill in the walls, not just the borders. I also thought of
> stamping the walls with something cool, but haven't yet found
> stamps that I like (we are kind of craft-store challeneged here
> in the Rotten Apple, so I think I might need to make a trip to
> the 'burbs to get what I want).

if you've got shelves -- or space for them -- you can put cool stuff on the
shelves to avoid having to paint; it'll give a focus point without breaking up
the clean lines of the walls. A friend of mine has just a few framed postcards
of Vargas girls with a few clasically dressed Barbies scattered around hers.
Our bathroom is a bright, dark, vivid deep blue -- done in high gloss latex
with paint swirled to simulate water. I'm still looking for bright colored
stuff to put around for a Yellow Submarine motif, but for now, we've got some
porcelain fish about. The downstairs half bath -- which is notoriously puny --
is wood on the bottom, and I'm thinking a fairly bright color on top, maybe one
of the yellows from the kitchen.

Geri.Clark

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In article <390EEF46...@uwm.edu>, T
<terrif...@uwm.edu> wrote:
>"Geri.Clark" wrote:

>
>I'm not sure how hellish it would be to remove or paint over
(other than simply
>caulking in the sides and smoothing it out eventually, but if
the bathroom is
>fairly small, I'd probably stay with just a few, or a small
area rather than
>filling up the whole thing with mulitple pieces. If it's a
small space, I
>wouldn't want it to be too too busy.

That's the idea. I'd just want to scatter a few things around
the room to break up the plain old walls. I don't want *too*
much, but a little jazzing up wouldn't be bad. I'm also
concerned about getting the decoupage off when the time
comes...though it can't be worse than removing the wallpaper
that was already in the bathroom when we bought the place!


>if you've got shelves -- or space for them -- you can put cool
stuff on the
>shelves to avoid having to paint; it'll give a focus point
without breaking up
>the clean lines of the walls. A friend of mine has just a few
framed postcards
>of Vargas girls with a few clasically dressed Barbies scattered
around hers.

That was another idea I had. Our towel rack is a double bar with
a shelf on top, so that takes care of one wall. All that's left
really is the wall behind the toilet, and the area around the
sink. I though of putting a few shelves over the toilet and
putting some tchtchkes on them...but what kind of tchtchkes...

I also bought three unfinished shadow boxes at Ikea, with the
pseudo-intention of painiting them the trim color and doing
something with them for the over-the-toilet area. But I don't
know what to put in them! Ideas?


>Our bathroom is a bright, dark, vivid deep blue -- done in high
gloss latex
>with paint swirled to simulate water. I'm still looking for
bright colored
>stuff to put around for a Yellow Submarine motif, but for now,
we've got some
>porcelain fish about. The downstairs half bath -- which is
notoriously puny --
>is wood on the bottom, and I'm thinking a fairly bright color
on top, maybe one
>of the yellows from the kitchen.

Wow. You have *nice* bathrooms. Our half-bath is just plain off-
white with a very boring vanity and mirrored medicine chest.
Dull dull dull. I'm trying to decide what to do with it. I was
gonna paint, but I'd like to replace the vanity and counter, and
if we're gonna do that, I'll hold off on painting...plus, it's
adjacent to the dining room, which we hope to paint a shade of
yellow (when the kitchen is re-done, as they two rooms connect,
and I'd rather just do it all at once). So I'm not sure what
color bathroom I'd like to have next to the yellow DR...

So many life-shattering decisions... :-)

T

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Vicky Larmour wrote:

> That sounds *lovely*. I love green colours. I can never decide whether
> my favourite colour is green or purple/lilac. Luckily, they look good
> together so I can have both :-)

Our comforter is purple and green, more like lilac and sage (from Target,
yup!) The walls in the bedroom are greeny sage, just brighter than sage
but more muted than green. Very odd shade. I've grown to like it more,
but Don still doesn't -- and we both have very clear memories of each
other picking it out. ARG. So, it looks like I may be repainting the
bedroom sometime soon.

Vicky Larmour

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In article <10f32ba3...@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com>, Geri.Clark
wrote:
>I also bought three unfinished shadow boxes at Ikea, with the
>pseudo-intention of painiting them the trim color and doing
>something with them for the over-the-toilet area. But I don't
>know what to put in them! Ideas?

Would shells be too traditional/boring for you? Dark brown / mottled
shells might look lovely against the green and white backdrop.

Can you get those egg-shaped stones in the US? They tend to sell them
in gift shop type places here and they come in all shades of
green/brown/red/etc. My Grandma used to have a basket of them in her
green and white bathroom :-)

You could collect small soaps in green/white tones and press leaves
into the surfaces... this would work especially well if you went with
the leafy theme in the rest of the room.

Candles? You couldn't light them if they were in the shadow boxes, but
they could look pretty...

You could just assemble a collection of completely random things (any
of the above, small childrens toys, anything small) in the green and
white shades of your bathroom. The more eclectic the collection, the
bestter this would work. It would also need to have very definitely
non-ornament things in it (maybe a spice jar, or a salt shaker or
something) so that it didn't look like you had a poor taste in
ornaments :-)

Vicky Larmour

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LOL! You can just send the whole lot (walls, comforter - everything!)
over here if you want, I'd love a bedroom like that!

Sarah

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In article <8emlpp$ebv$2...@andromeda.camcon.co.uk>,

vicky....@camcon.co.nospam.uk (Vicky Larmour) wrote:
> In article <07207298...@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com>, Geri.Clark
> wrote:
> >We re-did our main bathroom a few months ago; it is now a sort
> >of light sage green color, with almost-white trim (including the
> >louvered doors on the floor-to-ceiling linen closet), white
> >toilet, white pedestal sink, white tile, etc. We installed a
> >chrome-and-white light fixture and a plain mirrored medicine
> >cabinet. It's nice and bright (it's a small room) and looks
> >clean and new and we basically like it.
>
> That sounds *lovely*. I love green colours. I can never decide whether
> my favourite colour is green or purple/lilac. Luckily, they look good
> together so I can have both :-)

Oh, those are my favorites too!!! I've already got our Hypothetical
Future Bedroom all planned in my head...now, we just have to buy a house
(tho that probably won't be for at least a year) so I can actually do
it. :-) Jim thinks that green and lavender won't go together at *all*
but he also realizes that he has no decorating sense whatsoever, so he's
letting me have my way. :-)

Plus, after making me have a "real" wedding (after *I* wanted to
elope!), he feels like he owes me. :-)

> >But it's a tad boring for my taste. I thought of
> >several "fixes": a jazzy shower curtain (still haven't found one
> >I like); some kind of neat art on the walls (I've toyed with
> >several ideas for this, from anatomical drawings to shadow boxes
> >to botanical prints); maybe texturing the walls in some way
> >(ragging, sponging, etc).
> >

> >Then last night I had an idea -- I'd like to sort-of decoupage
> >the walls with cut-outs of...something. The ideas that sprang to
> >mind were insects (cool ones like butterflies and bees and
> >dragonflies); or leaves/vines/flowers.
>

> My own tastes range more towards the plain side of things, so my
> tendency would be to go with the jazzy shower curtain, or some other
> isolated "feature", and leave the walls plain. But obviously if your
> taste is for more detailed stuff, then the decoupage idea sounds
great.
> The only potential problem I can see would be making sure that it is
> waterproof / steamproof - if the bathroom ever gets steamed up, it
> wouldn't be too handy if the stuff started falling off the walls!

That's a good point. Also, I wonder how difficult decoupage would be to
remove/cover up if you ever got tired of it...or for the next people to
live there, if you don't plan to be there forever.

I personally would go with sponging the walls and adding a jazzy shower
curtain. I just enjoy spongepainting, and I think that a bathroom would
be the perfect place to do it, since it's not that large an area. And
as far as accessorizing....we aren't allowed to paint our apartment, so
we're stuck with white walls everywhere. But we got a really nice,
colorful shower curtain and a Matisse print for the wall, and it's
amazing how much nicer the space looks now! Granted, I'd be much
happier if I could lose the white walls, but...

Sarah

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JenniferC

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Geri.Clark wrote:
>
>
> I also bought three unfinished shadow boxes at Ikea, with the
> pseudo-intention of painiting them the trim color and doing
> something with them for the over-the-toilet area. But I don't
> know what to put in them! Ideas?
>

What about antique collections? We found some great pages from an
old book on personal hygiene (tee hee hee) we're planning on
framing and putting up in the bathroom, as well as a formal
family portrait of a whole family gathered 'round their new
outhouse :-) You could easily use pictures/pages like this in a
shadowbox, combined with antique razors or eyeglasses or combs...
or even antique boxes/tins of soap. Of course, not everyone likes
old stuff, so feel free to ignore my ramblings :-)

-jennifer

Geri.Clark

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In article <390F0818...@my-deja.com>, JenniferC <jennac@my-
deja.com> wrote:

>What about antique collections? We found some great pages from
an
>old book on personal hygiene (tee hee hee) we're planning on
>framing and putting up in the bathroom, as well as a formal
>family portrait of a whole family gathered 'round their new
>outhouse :-) You could easily use pictures/pages like this in a
>shadowbox, combined with antique razors or eyeglasses or
combs...
>or even antique boxes/tins of soap. Of course, not everyone
likes
>old stuff, so feel free to ignore my ramblings :-)

I *love* old stuff. And I want to do something quirky, so this
is a great idea. I'm not married to the shadow boxes, so if I
could find some neat old prints/photos like that they would
work. But I like the antique hygiene products idea for the boxes
too...

I *knew* I get good ideas from y'all!

Geri.Clark

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In article <8emun5$gt7$1...@andromeda.camcon.co.uk>,

vicky....@camcon.co.nospam.uk (Vicky Larmour) wrote:
>
>Would shells be too traditional/boring for you? Dark brown /
mottled
>shells might look lovely against the green and white backdrop.

Not at all. In fact, we're going to Jamaica this Saturday
(impromptu holiday...) so maybe I can find some nice shells
there.

>Can you get those egg-shaped stones in the US? They tend to
sell them
>in gift shop type places here and they come in all shades of
>green/brown/red/etc. My Grandma used to have a basket of them
in her
>green and white bathroom :-)

I also like those stones! Or maybe other neat rocks or big hunks
of quartz (I also like green and purple shades together) or
other gemstone-type things...perhaps a trip to the Discovery
Channel store is in order...


>You could just assemble a collection of completely random
things (any
>of the above, small childrens toys, anything small) in the
green and
>white shades of your bathroom. The more eclectic the
collection, the
>bestter this would work. It would also need to have very
definitely
>non-ornament things in it (maybe a spice jar, or a salt shaker
or
>something) so that it didn't look like you had a poor taste in
>ornaments :-)

This is a great idea! The fixtures in the bathroom are chrome,
so I could also assemble a bunch of random chrome objects...or
maybe I could pick a complementary color (lilac?) and
use "stuff" in that color...I like the idea of using lots of
random things.

You're so smart... :-)

Peggy Galbraith Kaufman

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On Tue, 2 May 2000, Geri.Clark wrote:
>
> In article <390F0818...@my-deja.com>, JenniferC <jennac@my-
> deja.com> wrote:
>
> >What about antique collections? We found some great pages from
> an
> >old book on personal hygiene (tee hee hee) we're planning on
> >framing and putting up in the bathroom, as well as a formal
> >family portrait of a whole family gathered 'round their new
> >outhouse :-) You could easily use pictures/pages like this in a
> >shadowbox, combined with antique razors or eyeglasses or
> combs...
> >or even antique boxes/tins of soap. Of course, not everyone
> likes
> >old stuff, so feel free to ignore my ramblings :-)
>
> I *love* old stuff. And I want to do something quirky, so this
> is a great idea. I'm not married to the shadow boxes, so if I
> could find some neat old prints/photos like that they would
> work. But I like the antique hygiene products idea for the boxes
> too...
>
> I *knew* I get good ideas from y'all!
>
This was how my best-friends-in-high-school's-mom had decorated their
bathrooms, and I loved it. They had plate rails along the wall, with all
sorts of interesting doo-dads. I specifically remember antique soap tins
and boxes, shaving powder tins, antique razors and shavers, neat old
combs and brushes, and tiny framed advertisements (for soap and
shampoo...there are lots of little 3x5 ads that were handed out to
ladies in stores) but I'm sure there were lots of other cool things.
The same family collected antique toys, and had some displayed on the
mantle in the living room. The neatest thing, though, was that they had a
really beautiful set of antique albhabet blocks on a shelf in the
upstairs bathroom. Whoever felt like it could leave a "thought for the
day" spelled out for everyone to see. I remember spelling out tons of things
that seemed hysterical at the time, and of course "Happy Holidays" or
whatever was seasonally appropriate.
peggy

T

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"Geri.Clark" wrote:

> Wow. You have *nice* bathrooms.

When we bought the place, the upstairs bathroom was really really gross. It was
this try-to-be-neutral-but-look-like-tagboard beige on the walls and ceiling,
and some but not most of the changes made for a redesign. For instance, there
are gaps between the walls and the ugly, nasty vinyl on the floor, and there's
a mystery wall about a foot out from the main wall supporting the enclosed bath
and shower thang. Uck. The paint makes it look a zillion times better, and
I'm hoping after I paint some other stuff white it'll make the whole room look
less sucky. I'm hoping to retile in the next year, too.

> Our half-bath is just plain off-
> white with a very boring vanity and mirrored medicine chest.
> Dull dull dull. I'm trying to decide what to do with it.

The half bath is very small but totally adequate. It's got wood panelling on
the bottom half and ivory painted on top, and there's a small mirrored medicine
cabinet with a commode and the standard boring sink with nothing under it. Very
minimal.

> I was
> gonna paint, but I'd like to replace the vanity and counter, and
> if we're gonna do that, I'll hold off on painting...plus, it's
> adjacent to the dining room, which we hope to paint a shade of
> yellow (when the kitchen is re-done, as they two rooms connect,
> and I'd rather just do it all at once). So I'm not sure what
> color bathroom I'd like to have next to the yellow DR...

The half bath adjoins the kitchen. Kitchen had been white painted counters
with white walls with funky little decorations painted on. Boring. Glaring.
Ugh. I've got the walls painted this funky warm red color which I like more as
it dries, and I started doing sponge painting of two different shades of
yellow, but I'm not liking it after all... I really like the red more, plus I'm
not very successful at the sponge thing. Maybe I'll repaint the practice wall
red, and come up with detailing in yellow, and then use the yellow in the half
bathroom....

Ugh. Dry paint crumbs on the keyboard. Must clean hands better.

HollyLewis

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Well, now that we've gone from covering the walls with decoupage to sticking up
a few objets on shelves...

I'm not entirely certain whether you want a more interesting design all over
the surface of the wall itself (in which case I'm envisioning more of a mural
of botanicals and cool insects -- think tall, curving fronds of sagey green
grass and meadow plants, punctuated by bright red ladybugs and bright purple
dragonflies), or simply need "theme" ideas for a few collectibles or prints to
hang in currently bare spots (clearly a simpler project -- though I'm amazed
that you have wall space, because my bathrooms have never really had any -- I
cannot STAND not having enough towel bars.)

Anyway, as fars as tchatchkes, do think about moisture. Antique soap boxes
would be cool, but protect them from getting damp enough to disintegrate.

How about dried herbs and small purple flowers, displayed in a collection of
all white and/or chrome but otherwise random vases, soap dishes, small trays or
bowls, etc.?

Antique and/or arty perfume bottles?

Real mounted butterflies? There's a store in my neighborhood that sells these
(along with a lot of bizarre stuff like dried frogs and antelope skeletons) and
they're really beautiful.

For your shower curtain, have you seen the ones with pockets? I've seen both a
clear vinyl and a sheer outer-curtain fabric version, with pockets about 4 or 5
inches square either in straight rows or sort of scattered all over. You can
just put whatever you like -- leaves and flowers, toys, postcards, coins,
whatever -- in the pockets. One advantage being, of course, that you can
easily change what's in the pockets seasonally or any time you want to change
your theme.

Also remember that if you don't mind a double curtain on your shower, you don't
have to use a "shower curtain" for the outer one. You can put up a rod and use
tab-top or clip-ring panels just like the ones in the bedroom or living room.

Or buy a plain white heavy duck or tightweave polyester curtain and stencil or
stamp *that*. Craft stores have stencil paints that will work on fabric.

Good luck!
Holly

Geri.Clark

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holly...@aol.com (HollyLewis) wrote:
>Well, now that we've gone from covering the walls with
decoupage to sticking up
>a few objets on shelves...
>
>I'm not entirely certain whether you want a more interesting
design all over
>the surface of the wall itself (in which case I'm envisioning
more of a mural
>of botanicals and cool insects -- think tall, curving fronds of
sagey green
>grass and meadow plants, punctuated by bright red ladybugs and
bright purple
>dragonflies), or simply need "theme" ideas for a few
collectibles or prints to
>hang in currently bare spots (clearly a simpler project --

I'd really prefer a design on the walls. But frankly, I'm a
little fried right now and don't have the mental energy to do
anything complicated. So shelves with "stuff" appeals on that
level :-)

I like the mural idea, but I don't think we have the continuous
wall space to do it properly. We have a decent amount of empty
wall, but all of the walls are quite narrow. I did think of
maybe painting in some vines or fronds from the ceiling down and
working off that...I am *not* visually artistic. I'll need to
call an artist friend to deal with that part :-)


though I'm amazed
>that you have wall space, because my bathrooms have never
really had any -- I
>cannot STAND not having enough towel bars.)

Well, we have a very large towel bar (it's a double bar with a
large shelf on top of it. We keep our in-circulation towels on
the rods and the soon-to-be-in-circulation towels on the shelf.)
We also have a humongous linen closet in the bathroom, which is
a mixed blessing. Basically, the bathroom used to have double
sinks with vanities. The Nice Old Lady we bought from got rid of
one of the sinks and built a linen closet that reaches the
entire height of the wall (12 feet). While I'm thrilled to have
the extra storage space, it kind of made the whole bathroom
narrower than I'd like. Ah well, can't have everything...

>
>Anyway, as fars as tchatchkes, do think about moisture.
Antique soap boxes
>would be cool, but protect them from getting damp enough to
disintegrate.

And more to the point...dusting, which, well, isn't a huge
priority chez Clarkstein :-)


>Real mounted butterflies? There's a store in my neighborhood
that sells these
>(along with a lot of bizarre stuff like dried frogs and
antelope skeletons) and
>they're really beautiful.

This idea was one of my first. In lieu of putting the bugs right
on the walls, I thought of buying a bunch of mounted insects
(preferably good fakes) in varying sizes of frames and hanging
them.

>
>For your shower curtain, have you seen the ones with pockets?
I've seen both a
>clear vinyl and a sheer outer-curtain fabric version, with
pockets about 4 or 5
>inches square either in straight rows or sort of scattered all
over. You can
>just put whatever you like -- leaves and flowers, toys,
postcards, coins,
>whatever -- in the pockets. One advantage being, of course,
that you can
>easily change what's in the pockets seasonally or any time you
want to change
>your theme.

I've been eyeing these for a while. I had my hands on one this
weekend, but they didn't have it in the right length :-(

>
>Also remember that if you don't mind a double curtain on your
shower, you don't
>have to use a "shower curtain" for the outer one. You can put
up a rod and use
>tab-top or clip-ring panels just like the ones in the bedroom
or living room.

This is what I've always done. I usually have a hard time
finding shower curtains that I like, so I improvise or make my
own.

>Or buy a plain white heavy duck or tightweave polyester curtain
and stencil or
>stamp *that*. Craft stores have stencil paints that will work
on fabric.

This was also in the idea file! (good to see I'm hitting on some
valid ideas...) I *really* need to get to a decent craft store.
Of course, that's the one thing that's hard to come by in this
city...

And of course we're going on vacation on Saturday, so I can't
really do anything for two more weeks...I just hope I remember
all these ideas :-)

HollyLewis

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>Well, we have a very large towel bar (it's a double bar with a
>large shelf on top of it. We keep our in-circulation towels on
>the rods and the soon-to-be-in-circulation towels on the shelf.)

My point exactly. However do you manage with only ONE towel bar? We have
three -- two 30" and one 18" -- and guests have to use the hooks on the back of
the door. In our last home we only had two bars, but we also had two rings
(and guest-towel space was provided by the glass shower door handle, which is
about the only advantage for sliding glass shower doors I can think of.)

I never understood those over-the-toilet storage units either, because that
space is ALWAYS taken up by a towel bar.

Do you wash your towels after only one use? Maybe that's the difference. DH
and I need enough bar space for one washcloth (he doesn't use one), two hand
towels, and three bath towels (I wrap one around my hair and dry everything
else with another one), and they have to be folded neatly in half, not
scrunched and not folded in thirds or quarters, so that they'll dry!

I don't really "get" linen closets in the bathroom, either. I keep not-in-use
towels with the not-in-use sheets in the same closet in the hall, and I just
can't imagine trying to store towels in the bathroom. Wouldn't they get damp?
The storage space in the bathroom is for cleaning and cosmetic supplies.

Holly

cjr

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In article <20000502182434...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
holly...@aol.com (HollyLewis) wrote:

I'm with you on having more than one towel bar - I use only one
towel per week, the wash, so I need it to dry.

>I don't really "get" linen closets in the bathroom, either. I
keep not-in-use
>towels with the not-in-use sheets in the same closet in the
hall, and I just
>can't imagine trying to store towels in the bathroom. Wouldn't
they get damp?
>The storage space in the bathroom is for cleaning and cosmetic
supplies.

My current house has a linen closet in the bathroom, and none in
the hallway, so there isn't much choice. it's not a problem -
it's a big closet, so stuff I'd otherwise not put in ther eI do
(like some luggage). Nothing gets damp. The closet actually has a
"vent" to the hallway, which helps I suppose, but I haven't had
any problem with dampness in there anyway. When it's warm enough
I leave the bathroom window open; in the winter there's a fan (I
don't even get much steaming on the mirror). My old house had a
closet in the bathroom and in the hallway, but the hall closet
got filled pretty fast, so I used the bathroom one for towels.
However, that one was situated weird - the closet was walkin,
with a door going to the bedroom, so the whole thing was rarely
shut off. I actually did have a problem in the bedroom closests
with dampness (mold!) but that wasn't due to the bathroom as much
as the whole house. IIRC, our new house doesn't have a closet in
the bathroom....unsurprisingly. I gather we'll get a wardrobe for
the hallway, if we can fit it :)

C

Geri.Clark

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In article <20000502182434...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
holly...@aol.com (HollyLewis) wrote:
>>Well, we have a very large towel bar (it's a double bar with a
>>large shelf on top of it. We keep our in-circulation towels on
>>the rods and the soon-to-be-in-circulation towels on the
shelf.)
>
>My point exactly. However do you manage with only ONE towel
bar?

It's actually *two* 24" bars, both as part of one unit. We each
have a bar for our own towels. We also have hooks on the back of
the door.

>


>Do you wash your towels after only one use? Maybe that's the
difference. DH
>and I need enough bar space for one washcloth (he doesn't use
one), two hand
>towels, and three bath towels (I wrap one around my hair and dry
everything
>else with another one), and they have to be folded neatly in
half, not
>scrunched and not folded in thirds or quarters, so that they'll
dry!

We use towels for about a week. We each have a bath towel and I
have one of those quick-dry hair towels. Those live on the
"main" towel bars (one bar for each of us). The Nice Old Lady
installed a shelf and towel bar inside the tub/shower as well, so
washcloths live there. Water doesn't really hit the back wall of
the shower, so stuff hung there stays pretty dry.


>
>I don't really "get" linen closets in the bathroom, either. I
keep not-in-use
>towels with the not-in-use sheets in the same closet in the
hall, and I just
>can't imagine trying to store towels in the bathroom. Wouldn't
they get damp?

Well, we don't have a hall closet; that's what the bathroom
closet is for :-) Them's the quirks of living in a 100-year-old
home...

We never have a dampness problem in the linen closet; it's vented
and is perfectly dry. We use about half of the closet for linens
and towels and the other half for cosmetics and cleaning
supplies. The very tippy-top part of the closet (the part that's
10-12 feet off the ground) is for things that are completely out
of season or that we rarely touch (I have vacuum-sealed duvets
and quilts in there; flannel sheets that we no longer use 'cause
it's always so warm in here...)

Geri.Clark

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In article <EpKP4.72906$004.175352@news02>, "liznjim"
<nos...@excite.com> wrote:

>
>Hey, I keep looking at those quick-dry towels. Does it really
work? I've
>often thought I'd like to try it, but then I think it's a lot of
$ to shell
>out if it's ineffective...

I dunno if it actually dries my hair faster, but the towel itself
dries in a flash :-) My hair is so short now that I can't tell
if it's soaking a lot of water out or not.

I really like it cause it's the perfect size to wrap tightly
around my head, not bulky like a regular bath towel.

I think I got mine at the Body Shoppe for a pretty reasonable
price...like $10 or $12 or something. It was less than I'd seen
the towel for elsewhere, so I decided to give it a shot.

liznjim

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Geri.Clark wrote


>
>We use towels for about a week. We each have a bath towel and I
>have one of those quick-dry hair towels.

Hey, I keep looking at those quick-dry towels. Does it really work? I've


often thought I'd like to try it, but then I think it's a lot of $ to shell
out if it's ineffective...

Liz (who's having a really bad hair day because she didn't have time to dry
her hair this am)

Lynn A.

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We've only got one towel bar in the bathroom. It's only
big enough for a regular sized towel folded in half and a
washcloth also folded in half. Depending on what set of
towels is out, there might be a matching "guest" towel on
top of the regular size one. The rack is right next to the
sink.
On the back wall of the shower, there's two hooks. Sara
keeps her washcloth on one and I keep my scrubby glove on
the other. Arvid doesn't use a washcloth. My loofah sponge
hangs on the shower caddy on one side and Sara's mesh thing
hangs on the other.
Our bathroom has a full, walk-in closet inside it. It's
probably 6' by 4'. On the inside of that door are three
more towel racks. That's where we keep the towels we use
when we take a shower/bath. I like it that way as they
aren't on display. The clean towels, etc. (LOTS of etc.!)
is kept in there on shelves. They don't get damp, there's
never been a problem with that.
What I think is neat is with the closet off the
bathroom, my Dad built a medicine cabinet over the sink that
extends back into the closet. It's about a foot or so
deep. MUCH better than those standard medicine cabinets
that hardly hold anything. I don't keep my cosmetics in the
bathroom, they're all in the bedroom. Cleaning supplies in
the cabinet under the sink along with extra toilet paper,
pads, tampons, etc.
Over our toilet we have one of those stand alone shelf
units. The shelves aren't wide enough to store towels,
they're only about 5" wide. The top shelf has a couple
plants and a picture, the second a wire basket with sample
size soaps and lotions, etc, and a small clock. The last
shelf has misc. shower gels, shaving foams, air freshener
and a little clear plastic old-fashioned looking sink and
bathtub with potpourri in them.
Hmmm...more than you all ever wanted to know about my
bathroom, eh? Well, at least you'd know where everything is
if you ever visited! <laugh>

Lynn

Lynn A.

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We just remodeled our bathroom last year. We installed
one of those plastic tub surrounds around the bathtub. We
couldn't find one that was tall enough to fit, they all left
an area about a foot wide at the top. We first filled it in
with the same wallboard as we used in the rest of the
bathroom. I'm not sure exactly what that's called...it's
the stuff that looks like tile but it's all one piece like
paneling. Anyway, it still was lacking something.
We roamed through Home Depot looking for ideas.
Somehow...Arvid came up with buying a piece of this white
plastic criss-cross trellis type stuff...looks like wood.
(Sheesh I shouldn't be trying to describe things when it's
this late.) He cut that to fit that area...and it looked
nice, I was surprised! He still thought it was lacking
something.
Then one day we were at Michaels, a craft store. We
found some very real looking silk ivy in long pieces. We
got some of that, draped a little of it on the trellis...and
that was it! Believe it or not, it DOES look nice.
Different...but nice. I should get a picture of it scanned
so you can see it.
We get a lot of compliments on it and our neighbors even
copied the idea in their bathroom so they really must have
liked the idea!

Lynn

KathyK

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In article <088a373e...@usw-ex0108-063.remarq.com>,

Geri.Clark <gec22N...@cornell.edu.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >I don't really "get" linen closets in the bathroom, either. I
> keep not-in-use
> >towels with the not-in-use sheets in the same closet in the
> hall, and I just
> >can't imagine trying to store towels in the bathroom. Wouldn't
> they get damp?
>
> Well, we don't have a hall closet; that's what the bathroom
> closet is for :-) Them's the quirks of living in a 100-year-old
> home...
>

Or a 3 month old home. In our 2 bathrooms upstairs, we have a linen
closet in each one. In the hall bath, it is recessed into the wall
(there is a closet in the bedroom next to it, so the two closets
together sort of form a narrow room between the two). We rarely use
the hall bath, so we keep less often used sheets, blankets, and towels
in there. In our bathroom (which is huge), the linen closet lines up
with the front of the double vanity, so it seems pretty natural to have
it there. We don't have any storage in the downstairs powder room, but
that's our own fault. We could have chosen to have a sink with a
vanity, but we chose a pedestal sink. With the pedestal sink, we could
have added a "toilet topper" cabinet, but we didn't want it to look too
cluttered there.

In each bathroom, we have exactly one towel bar. In the powder room,
it's fine (just guest towels there, anyhow). In the hall bath, we
don't care yet (until we have 4 HFCs fighting over use of the
bathroom), but there's plenty of wall space in there, so we could
always add another one. In our bathroom, it is a bit of a problem.
The one towel bar is on one side of the garden tub. This is on the
opposite side of the room from the shower, so we usually put our
"matching the bathroom decor" towels over there, and they never get
used. There is room for one towel on the outside handle of the shower
door, so Stan puts his there. Mine are usually draped over the shower
door, or lying in a heap on the floor. Since that linen closet is
across from the shower door, there's no room for a towel bar there.
Really, the only place for another towel bar, is on the other side of
the tub - still way out of the way. So, we're going to have to figure
something out there.

--
--Kathy Kula
TDC Snow White, Keeper of Sockpuppets

Geri.Clark

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In article <390FC799...@inlink.com>, "Lynn A."
<ly...@inlink.com> wrote:

> Then one day we were at Michaels, a craft store. We
>found some very real looking silk ivy in long pieces. We
>got some of that, draped a little of it on the trellis...and
>that was it! Believe it or not, it DOES look nice.
>Different...but nice. I should get a picture of it scanned
>so you can see it.
> We get a lot of compliments on it and our neighbors even
>copied the idea in their bathroom so they really must have
>liked the idea!

No need for a picture (well, for me anyway) -- my grandparents
did this exact thing in their bathroom. So I've seen it :-) I
think their flora is a combiantion of silk ivy and some flowers
(which I'm pretty sure my decorator-insane grandmother changes
seasonally). It does look really nice. I think my grandfather
has been drafted to re-create the look in several of their
neighbors' homes too :-)

Lynn A.

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Really? Your grandparents did the ivy thing too? I'm
thrilled! :) I had never seen or heard of anything like it
before. I fought against it for days, thinking it was going
to be just too weird. I then settled in to letting him have
his way, since I did pick out almost everything else for the
bathroom.
We bought some flowers that match the color scheme but
never put them in the ivy. There's been a plastic spider in
it though!

Lynn

T

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"Lynn A." wrote:

> We just remodeled our bathroom last year. We installed
> one of those plastic tub surrounds around the bathtub. We
> couldn't find one that was tall enough to fit, they all left
> an area about a foot wide at the top. We first filled it in
> with the same wallboard as we used in the rest of the
> bathroom. I'm not sure exactly what that's called...it's
> the stuff that looks like tile but it's all one piece like
> paneling. Anyway, it still was lacking something.

At some point in the past, our bathroom gained one of these tub and
surrounding things. Aside from the aesthetics, it's about two inches
thinner than the space to the sink cabinet, which means we have an
ugly gap where water may be leaking, it's about eight inches short of
the ceiling so there's wall up on top, and it's about a foot-18
inches short of the length of the wall, so we've got a mystery space
at the foot of the tub/enclosure. They put a small dividing wall up
right there at the end of the tub to support the enclosure, but
there's this space of like a foot by a yard and as tall as the room,
and of course it's wedged behind a radiator. And the chose this weird
chair rail type wood to put at the end of the dividing wall. Its
just fugly and it's quite possibly my least favorite part of the
whole house. The blue paint helps everything else stand out more,
but it's still awkward.

So last week, Don pointed out that there was a PUDDLE on the living
room floor. It was just about below either the tub drain or the
little two inch gap between the tub and sink. OH JOY. There could
be two causes: Either the lower spigot is rusted through somewhere (I
used the lower faucet to refill my plant watering jug, otherwise we
only use the shower), or someone was splashing a bit too much (Don
admitted to moving the showerhead around and not being careful.)
So. Until the whole darned bathroom is totally torn up, I've put in
shower curtain clips so water doesn't get around nearly as easily,
and now I use the showerhead to refill the water jug. I figure after
the water heater, a new stove, refrigerator, dryer and the w*****,
we'll tear out the bathroom.

TracyZ

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KathyK <kathry...@pharma.novartis.com> wrote:


> Geri.Clark <gec22N...@cornell.edu.invalid> wrote:
>> >

>> Well, we don't have a hall closet; that's what the bathroom
>> closet is for :-) Them's the quirks of living in a 100-year-
old
>> home...
>>
>
>Or a 3 month old home.


I *wish* we had a linen closet in the bathroom! We technically
don't have a linen closet at all. We keep our sheets in a cedar
chest, and our towels in a hall closet (that is more for hanging
cloths) on the only shelf at the top. We also store a crate
full of extra shampoo, soap, razors, Qtips, cotton balls on the
floor of that cupboard, right next to the sweeper. This closet
also houses our winter coats off-season(no closet downstairs at
all! We use a tree-coat hanger), and sweatshirts/pants all year
round. Our house is 74 years old, and only has 2 closets
total. Good-Will was loving all my clothing donations when I
moved in!


Then, Kathy goes on to say:

There is room for one towel on the outside handle of the shower
>door, so Stan puts his there. Mine are usually draped over the
shower
>door, or lying in a heap on the floor.

We hang our bath towels over the shower curtain rod. We do have
2 towel bars, and one rarely gets used (sorry Holly :( you
could be putting it to good use). One is on the left wall next
to the sink, so our hand towels go there. The other is on the
same wall as the sink, so once in awhile, we'll hang a spare
towel there (like when the in-the-hall fake-linen-closet is too
full). I also hang my wash rag over the shower curtain rod.
Then toss it in the hamper (which is also in the hallway) the
next morning when I get my shower. For the most part the towels
dry just fine (unless one of us should happen to shower twice in
one day). We change the towels twice a week though, so they
only get used 3-4 times before going in the wash.

Tracy

HollyLewis

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>Really, the only place for another towel bar, is on the other side of
>the tub - still way out of the way. So, we're going to have to figure
>something out there.

Do you have enough floor space for a free-standing towel rack? (Or
quilt/blanket rack used as a towel rack.) I've seen them in a lot of different
styles and sizes.

Holly

HollyLewis

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> On the back wall of the shower, there's two hooks. Sara
>keeps her washcloth on one and I keep my scrubby glove on
>the other.

Oh, right. Some people use a washcloth in the shower. I forgot. :-) Mine
hangs near the sink; I use it to wash my face at night, not in the shower.

>cabinet over the sink that
>extends back into the closet. It's about a foot or so
>deep. MUCH better than those standard medicine cabinets
>that hardly hold anything. I don't keep my cosmetics in the
>bathroom, they're all in the bedroom.

Depends what you mean by "cosmetics." I have a vanity in the bedroom which is
where I keep all of my makeup, manicure stuff, hair accessories, and a few
miscellaneous things like sunscreen and sewing kits. But shampoo and
conditioner, hair styling stuff, soap and toothpaste -- which I include in the
category "cosmetics" -- are stored in the bathroom.

Our standard-depth medicine cabinet is the perfect size for first aid supplies
and pharmaceuticals, toothpaste, contact lens stuff, skin lotion, and hair
styling stuff. And a nail brush. Little stuff like that would get messy and
lost in a deeper cabinet, IMHO. The previous owners didn't have a cabinet,
just a flat mirror, and I don't understand how they ever stored any of those
things. In the linen closet, I guess. (Some of you will remember that the
upper half of our linen closet was accessible through a hole they'd cut in the
bathroom wall, until I fixed it.) Very awkward, and ugly, and besides, where
on earth did they keep their extra towels?

Larger stuff like hair dryers and brushes, DH's razor, and travel cosmetic bags
are kept in the drawers in the vanity. Cleaning supplies, tissue and tampons,
and soap and shampoo supplies are in the under-sink cabinet.

Holly

Lynn A.

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HollyLewis wrote:
> Depends what you mean by "cosmetics." I have a vanity in the bedroom > >which is where I keep all of my makeup, manicure stuff, hair accessories, >and a few miscellaneous things like sunscreen and sewing kits.

Yeah, that's what I meant by cosmetics...all of mine
are in drawers in my dresser in our bedroom.

>But shampoo and conditioner, hair styling stuff, soap and toothpaste -- >which I include in the category "cosmetics" -- are stored in the >bathroom.

Same here except for hair styling products, those are
kept in the bedroom also. We've got shelves on the tub
surround that hold shampoo and conditioner, there's some on
the shower caddy that hangs off the shower head AND some on
one of the shelves over the toilet. I just went in and
counted...there's 17! different bottles! Ho-ly! It doesn't
look like that many, honest, I'm the one that hates
clutter! Sad thing is, there's at least that many more on a
shelf in the bathroom closet!! Comes from being three
people with three different types of hair, one an almost
teenager and one ME! <grin>



> Our standard-depth medicine cabinet is the perfect size for first aid >supplies and pharmaceuticals, toothpaste, contact lens stuff, skin >lotion, and hair styling stuff. And a nail brush. Little stuff like >that would get messy and lost in a deeper cabinet, IMHO.

I think I've just got too much "stuff"! I've never
been able to keep much in a standard medicine cabinet. I
don't have trouble losing anything in the deep one. I don't
keep any prescriptions, pills, etc. in the bathroom cabinet,
that's all in a cabinet in the kitchen...less humidity
there.

>The previous owners didn't have a cabinet,
>just a flat mirror, and I don't understand how they ever stored any of >those things.

My girlfriend's house is the same way, no medicine
cabinet, no storage at all in the bathroom, not even under
the sink. I don't know how she does it! She's got one of
those quilt racks in there for the towels that are in use, I
think everything else is in a large closet in the hallway.

>Larger stuff like hair dryers and brushes, DH's razor, and travel >cosmetic bags are kept in the drawers in the vanity.

We keep all that stuff in the dresser too, that's
where it's used. Well, Arvid's electric razor is in the
medicine cabinet, it's deep enough that it fits in there
fine in its case.

Lynn

Megan

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Everyone's bathrooms sound so organised! Not here in crap rented
house land! Mine is the smallest bathroom ever (TM) and it has a
shelf up above head heigh where I keep toilet cleaner, shower cleaner,
mouth wash and extra shampooand stuff. Shampoo and conditioner is on
top of the top of the sliding shower door (the shower is too small for
even a shelf in there). There is a small bin under the pedestal sink
and a small plastic box with my - uh - feminine supplies in it and
the toilet paper is usually next to that in its plastic wrapper. Oh
and somewhere down there is a fan heater (yep, we know you shouldn't
have them in the bathroom, but there is no other heating in that end
of the house, so we put it in anyway).

*Everything* else has to be kept in our bedroom, including towels in
use!

Megan
who is looking forward to having a proper bathroom again - defined
as one big enough to put down the bathmat and then open the door!

Robin

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On 02 May 2000 18:42:04 GMT, HollyLewis wrote...

> though I'm amazed
> that you have wall space, because my bathrooms have never really had any -- I
> cannot STAND not having enough towel bars.)
>
What do you do with your towels? I'm always amazed at the complete lack
of towel space.

My parent's house: their bathroom, one towel bar. The kid's bath, one
towel bar. The guest room, one towel bar.

My first apartment: one towel ba

Our last apartment & this house, one towel bar which is clearly intended
for a hand towel next to the sink.

*What are you supposed to do with a wet towel you just dried yourself
from the shower with?!?!*

My parents have put in shower doors which have racks on them, in my
first apartment we hung them over doors (doesn't that have to be awful
for the door?) in the last apartment we mounted racks on the door, and
here we bought a freestanding towel rack which is on a tension rod
between the floor and ceiling. At first I figured these were all
designed by people who used towels once before washing, as opposed to
the wee... I mean, days...we go between washings, but even then you have
to let it dry before you ball it up in a hamper!

This has been driving me crazy for years... please tell me somebody can
shed some light...

--
There's no need to e-mail me a copy of a follow-up; but if you do,
please identify it as such.

T

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Robin wrote:

>
> What do you do with your towels? I'm always amazed at the complete lack
> of towel space.

In the upstairs bathroom, we have one towel rack and

A row of brass-looking coat hooks. Fairly good sized, not those puny little
pegs. Five of them. I get one, Don gets four. And he uses them, but at least
everything's hanging up.

The one towel bar is for the guest towel, and then there's also an over-the-door
hook on the back of the bathroom door.

Vicky Larmour

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In article <MPG.137a86d5a...@news.mindspring.com>, Robin
wrote:
>Our last apartment & this house, one towel bar which is clearly
>intended for a hand towel next to the sink.
>
>*What are you supposed to do with a wet towel you just dried
>yourself from the shower with?!?!*

Same problem here!

>My parents have put in shower doors which have racks on them, in my
>first apartment we hung them over doors (doesn't that have to be
>awful for the door?) in the last apartment we mounted racks on the
>door, and here we bought a freestanding towel rack which is on a
>tension rod between the floor and ceiling. At first I figured these
>were all designed by people who used towels once before washing, as
>opposed to the wee... I mean, days...we go between washings, but
>even then you have to let it dry before you ball it up in a hamper!

LOL! Yes, with us it's wee...um, days between towel washings too. We
mounted hooks on the wall in the bathroom and hang them there.

Vicky
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Megan

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> LOL! Yes, with us it's wee...um, days between towel washings too. We
> mounted hooks on the wall in the bathroom and hang them there.

Our bathroom is too poorly ventilated, they would never dry!

I change all the towels on a Sunday - if I washed them any more often I
would constantly have wet towels on airers! It takes me a day and a half to
dry them as it is (unless I am lucky and the weather is fine at the
weekend).

I can't imagine how people manage to change their towels every day and get
them washed and dried. I guess they have tumble driers!

Megan

TracyZ

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Robin <rob...@softhome.net> wrote:


>*What are you supposed to do with a wet towel you just dried
yourself
>from the shower with?!?!*
>

How about over the shower curtain rod???? I'm not one of those
people who is afraid people will see the tub (gasp) when they
walk into the bathroom....so we leave the shower curtain open,
and hang the wet towels over the rod. They dry by the next day,
and they are right there for you to grab when your shower is
done.

Christina Ambrenac

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We have an over the door hook thingy that hangs over the door so you don't have
to bore any holes in the door. We hang it on the outside of the bathroom door
(so it hangs in our bedroom). By the next morning they're dry. When we first
moved in together, DH threw all his once used towels in the laundry. Let me tell
you - that didn't last too long! As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to
wash a towel that has only been used to wipe clean water of a just cleaned body.

Christina

HollyLewis

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>My parents have put in shower doors which have racks on them, in my
>first apartment we hung them over doors (doesn't that have to be awful
>for the door?) in the last apartment we mounted racks on the door, and
>here we bought a freestanding towel rack

Robin, why don't you just install more towel bars? (I think I replaced the
towel bars in every apartment I ever lived in. There were never enough of them
and they were always too small.)

Holly

Robin

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On Thu, 04 May 2000 07:09:19 -0700, TracyZ wrote...

> How about over the shower curtain rod???? I'm not one of those
> people who is afraid people will see the tub (gasp) when they
> walk into the bathroom....so we leave the shower curtain open,
> and hang the wet towels over the rod. They dry by the next day,
> and they are right there for you to grab when your shower is
> done.
>
I have been trained by Eric to close the curtain--supposedly it stays
non-moldy better that way. It makes sense, but I can never seem to
remember! Fortunately, he takes the second shower, so he can fix it.

But without that--what do you do when the other person is taking a
shower? Let's say I've just taken my shower, and Eric's going to be
getting in in the next ten minutes. Where do I put my towel? Plus,
where do you put them while you're actually showering?

It's just so hard... the earth shattering decisions we have to make
these days =)

Robin

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On 04 May 2000 17:54:17 GMT, HollyLewis wrote...

> Robin, why don't you just install more towel bars? (I think I replaced the
> towel bars in every apartment I ever lived in. There were never enough of them
> and they were always too small.)
>
We did in the last apartment, but this one didn't have a good space
(strangely laid out bathroom) and I couldn't find ones I liked. The
"thing that suspends on the side of the room" works relatively well.

Lynn A.

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Also, I can't stand for anything wet to be thrown in the
laundry hamper. If it doesn't mold, it'll sure get smelly.
I don't want the wicker to be ruined either. Anything wet
here is laid across a plastic laundry basket in the bathroom
closet. Towels used for showers or hair washes are hung on
the three towel racks on the back of the closet door where
they'll dry out for the next use.

Lynn

Vicky Larmour

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In article <MPG.137bf148c...@news.mindspring.com>, Robin wrote:
>I have been trained by Eric to close the curtain--supposedly it stays
>non-moldy better that way. It makes sense, but I can never seem to
>remember! Fortunately, he takes the second shower, so he can fix it.

LOL! This is exactly the same with us. I'm also really bad at remembering to
open the window after my shower (I like the shower steamy, if I open the
window a cold draught comes in!) and pull the non-slip mat out of the bath
(another thing that goes mouldy if we leave it). Jonathan always goes in
after me and puts everything right :-)

TracyZ

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Robin <rob...@softhome.net> wrote:


>On Thu, 04 May 2000 07:09:19 -0700, TracyZ wrote...
>> How about over the shower curtain rod???? I'm not one of
those
>> people who is afraid people will see the tub (gasp) when they
>> walk into the bathroom....so we leave the shower curtain open,
>> and hang the wet towels over the rod. They dry by the next
day,
>> and they are right there for you to grab when your shower is
>> done.
>>

>I have been trained by Eric to close the curtain--supposedly it
stays
>non-moldy better that way. It makes sense, but I can never
seem to
>remember! Fortunately, he takes the second shower, so he can
fix it.

Hmmm. That seems backwards to me. With the curtain closed, it
doesn't dry in there.

>
>But without that--what do you do when the other person is
taking a
>shower? Let's say I've just taken my shower, and Eric's going
to be
>getting in in the next ten minutes. Where do I put my towel?
Plus,
>where do you put them while you're actually showering?
>

Maybe we're talking about two different types of showers? Do
you have a stand-alone shower? We have a tub shower (you could
take a bath or a shower). So, when one person is showering, the
towels go at the opposite end of where the shower nozzle is. We
just sort of push them to that end when closing the shower
curtain. Dan usually showers first; so after I shower, both
towels get sort of spread out to dry (usually folded in 1/2
longways). Fortunately, I shower 2nd. Dan isn't as good about
spreading the towel out. He just tosses it over the top of the
shower curtain rod, and hopes for the best. Also, this system
could work even if you want to keep the shower curtain closed
all the time...the towels just wouldn't dry as fast. I think
I'm just used to having the towels hang right over there,
because at former houses and apartments, we always had shower
doors (and a tub), and they had bars to hang the towels on. I
guess I just want my towel close to me when I'm done showering!

>It's just so hard... the earth shattering decisions we have to
make
>these days =)
>

I know. It's rough.

jpetr...@my-deja.com

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In article <MPG.137a86d5a...@news.mindspring.com>,

Robin <rob...@softhome.net> wrote:
> >
> What do you do with your towels? I'm always amazed at the complete
lack
> of towel space.
>
> This has been driving me crazy for years... please tell me somebody
can
> shed some light...

This reminds me of a product I gave as a gift a few years ago. It's a
towel rack that fits in the hinges of a door to make most of space.

http://www.hingeit.com/

I have no affiliation with the company. I just think it's a neat idea.

Jeanne

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Allison Kusenda

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jpetr...@my-deja.com wrote:

> This reminds me of a product I gave as a gift a few years ago. It's a
> towel rack that fits in the hinges of a door to make most of space.
>
> http://www.hingeit.com/
>
> I have no affiliation with the company. I just think it's a neat idea.
>
> Jeanne

I've got one of those...it works pretty well. My only complaint about it,
or rather their marketing, was a quote they put on the box. Something to
the effect of ...."It's so easy to install! You don't even need a man to
put it up for you!" Aaaaaaaaargh!! The really frustrating part for me
was that our bathroom door hinges were so rusted that I had to get one of
the maintenance guys who had better tools to help me remove the door.
Talk about wounded pride. :-)

Allison


Robin

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On Fri, 05 May 2000 07:50:17 -0700, TracyZ wrote...
> Robin <rob...@softhome.net> wrote:

> >I have been trained by Eric to close the curtain--supposedly it
> stays
> >non-moldy better that way. It makes sense, but I can never
> seem to
> >remember! Fortunately, he takes the second shower, so he can
> fix it.
>
> Hmmm. That seems backwards to me. With the curtain closed, it
> doesn't dry in there.

Something about the curtain itself drying. I don't particularly care
either way, but Eric does, so I humor him =)

> Maybe we're talking about two different types of showers? Do
> you have a stand-alone shower? We have a tub shower (you could

That's what we've got.

> take a bath or a shower). So, when one person is showering, the
> towels go at the opposite end of where the shower nozzle is. We
> just sort of push them to that end when closing the shower

Our shower sprays pretty far, so I think a towel would get wet over
there. However, I used to always shower with the towel over the curtain
rod, because I was *completely* paranoid about getting water (not soap,
not shampoo, water.) in my eyes. Anytime my face got wet, I had to be
ready to dry it immediately. Putting a towel over the curtain rod now
would seem like...regression =)

Fruitbat? Me?

> curtain. Dan usually showers first; so after I shower, both
> towels get sort of spread out to dry (usually folded in 1/2
> longways).

How do they ever dry folded in half?!

Jen Upton

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On Fri, 5 May 2000 21:41:24 -0400, Robin <rob...@softhome.net> wrote:

However, I used to always shower with the towel over the curtain
>rod, because I was *completely* paranoid about getting water (not soap,
>not shampoo, water.) in my eyes. Anytime my face got wet, I had to be
>ready to dry it immediately. Putting a towel over the curtain rod now
>would seem like...regression =)
>
>Fruitbat? Me?
>

Nah... I do that too! I wear contacts, but I don't shower with them
in. For some reason having water in or near my eyes hurts. We have a
shower with a door, but both of us put the towel over the door when
we're in it.

I have the problem getting the towels to dry. Anybody know the best
way to get the stinky mildew smell out of them? I used fabric
softener with my last load, even though mom always told me to NEVER
use fabric softener with towels!

Jen

Megan

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On Sun, 07 May 2000 12:42:33 GMT, pju...@mindspring.com (Jen Upton)
wrote:
but then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual!

.
>
>I have the problem getting the towels to dry. Anybody know the best
>way to get the stinky mildew smell out of them? I used fabric
>softener with my last load, even though mom always told me to NEVER
>use fabric softener with towels!

You can always add a few drops of lavender oil and water (mixed) to
the rinse instead of fabric softener. There is so little oil it won't
give the towels that water resistant effect you get with fabric
softener.

Me, I'm looking forward to the landlord attacking the nettles in the
garden with a strimmer so I can line dry again - problem at the moment
is the nettles mean there is only roomfor one sheet out there - towels
are OK (shorter).

If he'd lend me the strimmer I'd happily do it myself, but he won't do
that either :-)

Megan

Robin

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On Sun, 07 May 2000 12:42:33 GMT, Jen Upton wrote...

> I have the problem getting the towels to dry. Anybody know the best
> way to get the stinky mildew smell out of them? I used fabric
> softener with my last load, even though mom always told me to NEVER
> use fabric softener with towels!
>
Bleach, hot water, and/or frequent washings.

As for the fabric softener, I use it. Yes, the towels are less
absorbent, but it smells good and they're fluffy. Come on people, let's
have some priorities here! =)

HollyLewis

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>As for the fabric softener, I use it. Yes, the towels are less
>absorbent, but it smells good and they're fluffy.

Ick! Ick! Ick!

I think I hate the smell of fabric softener even more than I hate the smell of
perfume. Why would you DO that to your towels? The nice clean smell of
freshly laundered towels is completely destroyed by that horrid artificial
junk. Not to mention, it's a waste of money and it's an unnecessary hassle.

If I ran the world, there would be no such thing as scented products.

Holly

Megan

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Robin <rob...@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.137fbac49...@news.mindspring.com...

> On Sun, 07 May 2000 12:42:33 GMT, Jen Upton wrote...
> > I have the problem getting the towels to dry. Anybody know the best
> > way to get the stinky mildew smell out of them? I used fabric
> > softener with my last load, even though mom always told me to NEVER
> > use fabric softener with towels!
> >
> Bleach, hot water, and/or frequent washings.

I do all my towels on a 90 degree (celsius) wash. Alternatively my Mum
settles for a hot tumble dry setting and one of my grandmothers irons - but
I don't have a drier and am too lazy to iron towels!

> As for the fabric softener, I use it. Yes, the towels are less

> absorbent, but it smells good and they're fluffy. Come on people, let's
> have some priorities here! =)

LOL!

DH occasionally puts fabric softener on the towels and I hate it. I am
actually used to slightly scratching towels and don't like "soft" ones these
days!

Megan

nancy (anne) brown-uga

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Hello,
What's a strimmer?
Back to lurk mode.
Nancy


Megan

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nancy (anne) brown-uga <nbr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:15689-39...@storefull-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

> Hello,
> What's a strimmer?
> Back to lurk mode.

Its a thing you use for cutting back long grass and weeds so you can mow
them - its on the end of a long handle and its a bit of what looks like
fishing line which spins around fast and cuts through the weeds and long
grass. Usually electric, but can be petrol driven.

Megan

Liz Nyman

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Megan wrote:

> Its a thing you use for cutting back long grass and weeds so you can mow
> them - its on the end of a long handle and its a bit of what looks like
> fishing line which spins around fast and cuts through the weeds and long
> grass. Usually electric, but can be petrol driven.
>
> Megan

We call it a Whipper-Snipper, but I think that was one of the brand
names in Australia.

Liz

JenC

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In alt.newlywed before someone took away their crayons, "Megan"
<megan.mo...@cableinet.co.uk> scribbled:

>nancy (anne) brown-uga <nbr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:15689-39...@storefull-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
>> Hello,
>> What's a strimmer?
>> Back to lurk mode.
>

>Its a thing you use for cutting back long grass and weeds so you can mow
>them - its on the end of a long handle and its a bit of what looks like
>fishing line which spins around fast and cuts through the weeds and long
>grass. Usually electric, but can be petrol driven.

</lurk>

Ahh!

Weedeater (brand name, I think) or weedwhacker. LOL Love those
things, but don't wear shorts while using 'em! Ouch!

Jen

<lurk>

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> Ahh!
>
> Weedeater (brand name, I think) or weedwhacker. LOL Love those
> things, but don't wear shorts while using 'em! Ouch!
>
> Jen

Yep. Weedeater. Thats what they call em in NZ as well - its a brand name.

I think it was a black and decker weedeater from memory.

Megan

JenniferC

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A Weeed Whacker :-)

I was just telling John we need one of these. We've got weeds in
the backyard that could safely hide a herd of rhinos. I half
expect Marlon Perkins to pop up in my backyard excitedly
whispering something to the effect of "Look at Jim as he bravely
stalks the majestic rhino just barely visible above the tall
plains grass..." :-P

Since the weeds are flush with the fence and house, it's
impossible to get 'em with our lawnmower. Sigh...

-jennifer

Megan wrote:
>
> nancy (anne) brown-uga <nbr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:15689-39...@storefull-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > Hello,
> > What's a strimmer?
> > Back to lurk mode.
>
> Its a thing you use for cutting back long grass and weeds so you can mow
> them - its on the end of a long handle and its a bit of what looks like
> fishing line which spins around fast and cuts through the weeds and long
> grass. Usually electric, but can be petrol driven.
>

> Megan

Megan

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JenniferC <jen...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:3916C44E...@my-deja.com...

> A Weeed Whacker :-)
>
> I was just telling John we need one of these. We've got weeds in
> the backyard that could safely hide a herd of rhinos. I half
> expect Marlon Perkins to pop up in my backyard excitedly
> whispering something to the effect of "Look at Jim as he bravely
> stalks the majestic rhino just barely visible above the tall
> plains grass..." :-P

Sounds like ours - plus the weeds in ours are stinging nettles as well!

They were (to borrow from someones post a few weeks back) ( . )( . ) high on
me last night.

Megan

Peggy Galbraith Kaufman

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LOL. I will have to file this under "Things to remember when I get whiny
about not having a house." It's been beastly hot here for a couple of
days and the weeds have really shot up...I felt sorry for the landscaping
crews at our apartment complex as I sat in air conditioned comfort and
drank beer.
p
______________________________________________________________________________

Peggy Galbraith Kaufman
Duke University Class of 1998

"Coach, if you say it, I believe it."
-Chris Carrawell, April 1999
______________________________________________________________________________

Megan

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> > JenniferC <jen...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:3916C44E...@my-deja.com...
> > > A Weeed Whacker :-)
> > >
> > > I was just telling John we need one of these. We've got weeds in
> > > the backyard that could safely hide a herd of rhinos. I half
> > > expect Marlon Perkins to pop up in my backyard excitedly
> > > whispering something to the effect of "Look at Jim as he bravely
> > > stalks the majestic rhino just barely visible above the tall
> > > plains grass..." :-P
> >
> > Sounds like ours - plus the weeds in ours are stinging nettles as well!
> >
> > They were (to borrow from someones post a few weeks back) ( . )( . )
high on
> > me last night.
> >
> >
>
> LOL. I will have to file this under "Things to remember when I get whiny
> about not having a house." It's been beastly hot here for a couple of
> days and the weeds have really shot up...I felt sorry for the landscaping
> crews at our apartment complex as I sat in air conditioned comfort and
> drank beer.

LOL

The main problem is we have a house, but its rented, so I have to hassle
someone else (i.e. the landlord) to go out and deal with the weeds.
Although I may go out tonight in jeans, long top and rubber gloves, armed
with an old knife, and at least deal with the ones near the washing line and
path!

Megan

ra...@my-deja.com

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In article <3916C44E...@my-deja.com>,

JenniferC <jen...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> A Weeed Whacker :-)
>
> I was just telling John we need one of these. We've got weeds in
> the backyard that could safely hide a herd of rhinos. I half
> expect Marlon Perkins to pop up in my backyard excitedly
> whispering something to the effect of "Look at Jim as he bravely
> stalks the majestic rhino just barely visible above the tall
> plains grass..." :-P
>
> Since the weeds are flush with the fence and house, it's
> impossible to get 'em with our lawnmower. Sigh...
>
> -jennifer

We have declared our lawn an preserve for endangered crickets, so we
can't mow. That's our story anyway. Actually, Rich got a mower and he
did part of it, although there is more to do. I hate lawns, I'm
allergic to grass and grass seed. Yuck. I told Rich that if he needed
something green to mow when we have our house that we could plant
chomomile and other herbs that are soft and mowable.

Regards,
Ranee

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fear of drowning and deep enough for theologians to swim in without ever
reaching the bottom. - St. Jerome

junk for deja to snip off my p

Lynn A.

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I'm the poster child for proof of what a weedeater will
do to your ankles and shins! If it's not the rocks slamming
into them, it's the grass/weeds you're cutting. It's
unbelievable how much a piece of grass can hurt when it hits
you at that speed. And not to forgot when the line breaks
and that slaps you! I've also cut through a leather tennis
shoe with the line while it was still attached to the
weedeater. But...it's almost impossible to not wear shorts
in the summer here in St. Louis while you're doing yard
work, not unless you want to faint from the 100 degree
heat! I keep threatening to buy some shin guards like
hockey players wear...wouldn't that be a sight! <laugh>

Lynn

JenC wrote:
> Ahh!
>
> Weedeater (brand name, I think) or weedwhacker. LOL Love those
> things, but don't wear shorts while using 'em! Ouch!
>
> Jen
>

T

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"Lynn A." wrote:

> But...it's almost impossible to not wear shorts
> in the summer here in St. Louis while you're doing yard
> work, not unless you want to faint from the 100 degree
> heat!

Just a side note -- This weekend I made some progress on stripping
our kitchen cabinets, but it was like a zillion degrees since Friday
(the thermometer outside said over 80 degrees, so it had to be warmer
inside.) So I ended up wearing long sleeves and long pants so the
caustic chemicals didn't splash onto my arms or legs.

The last stuff I've done, though, aren't as gloppy or chunky --
smaller pieces, better control -- so I've finally graduated to shorts
and a tshirt.

Lynn A.

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Someone's got a fragrance free fabric softener, I'm
sure I've seen it. Might be either Downy or the brand with
the cute little bear...can't think of the name of it.
I've always used fabric softener, so did my Mom, so I
guess I'm just used to it. I prefer Downy liquid, Mountain
Spring scent. I hate static, especially in towels, sheets
and blankets. The softness it adds is second place with me,
scent being third, I'd guess. Apparently Arvid's mom and ex
never used it because he was just blown away the first time
I ever washed his clothes and used softener.

Lynn

Lynn


HollyLewis wrote:
>
> >As for the fabric softener, I use it. Yes, the towels are less
> >absorbent, but it smells good and they're fluffy.
>

Lynn A.

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What detergent do you use? I've never had a problem
getting the mildew smell out of anything using Tide with
bleach. Also, during St. Louis's "Great Flood of 1993", our
sewer in the basement backed up. FEMA suggested using Surf
detergent. That worked very well on a box of Sara's baby
clothes I had stored down there.

Lynn

KathyK

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ra...@my-deja.com wrote:
> We have declared our lawn an preserve for endangered crickets, so we
> can't mow. That's our story anyway. Actually, Rich got a mower and
he
> did part of it, although there is more to do. I hate lawns, I'm
> allergic to grass and grass seed. Yuck. I told Rich that if he
needed
> something green to mow when we have our house that we could plant
> chomomile and other herbs that are soft and mowable.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee

Well, I guess that we're pretty lucky so far... we don't have a lawn
yet. They just seeded last Saturday (4/29), and so far, not much of
anything has grown. Since we do have about an acre to mow (the rest is
wooded), my parents gave us their old ride-on mower, and my dad brought
it over last night (after tuning it up). I taught Stan how to drive
his new toy, and he was driving up and down the driveway singing "Green
Acres" after my dad left.

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--Kathy Kula
TDC Snow White, Keeper of Sockpuppets

Lynn A.

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Reading this tickled me so much that I was laughing and
couldn't answer the phone! Just too cute!

Lynn

aMAZon

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"Lynn A." wrote:
>
> Someone's got a fragrance free fabric softener, I'm
> sure I've seen it. Might be either Downy or the brand with
> the cute little bear...can't think of the name of it.

Bounce. It comes in many formulations, including one that matches Gain
detergent.

We use the unscented at home, although I do have a box of the "Spring
Breeze" (or whatever it's called) to put away with the out-of-season
clothing.

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"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

KathyK

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In article <391837D7...@inlink.com>,

Yeah... real cute considering that we've always joked that in our
relationship, I'm the coutry mouse and he's the city mouse, so seeing
him ride around on a lawn tractor was what I like to call a "scrapbook-
able" moment.

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