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Hillary Israeli

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Apr 26, 2002, 10:40:36 AM4/26/02
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Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
"mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each. It was SOOOOO good. I
am all excited now about planting the rest of my veggies. My one bed
already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli and cauliflower, and will
have strawberries in it too soon. I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.


--
hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net in...@hillary.net
"uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est."
newly minted veterinarian-at-large :)

Lynn A.

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Apr 26, 2002, 11:52:05 AM4/26/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:

> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each. It was SOOOOO good. I
> am all excited now about planting the rest of my veggies. My one bed
> already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli and cauliflower, and will
> have strawberries in it too soon. I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.


I'm sooo jealous Hillary! Home grown lettuce sounds so
good! I doubt I could have lettuce, I have a hard enough time
keeping the wild rabbits and squirrels away as it is.
I'm not going to be planting as many veggies and herbs as
I have in the past. I've already started planting. I've got two
different kinds of cucumbers, dill, basil, onions, sage, oregano
and chamomile planted. I bought parsley and 3 kinds of pepper
seeds last weekend. I still need to get my cherry tomato plants.
This year I'm doing more flower gardening. I've got a
garden along one side of our backyard I want to extend the rest
of the way to the back fence. It looks great so far, I've been
splitting my hostas, canna lilys and black eyed susans and using
them in other parts of the garden.
I've been trying to get Arvid to help me build a new
garden area in the front yard. I can't do it myself, there's a
huge old yew there now that has to be dug out and relocated.
Now I'm waiting to get outside and get to work instead of
sitting in here doing my real job. Argghh.

Lynn


Leslie Deak

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Apr 26, 2002, 12:42:52 PM4/26/02
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On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Hillary Israeli wrote:

> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each. It was SOOOOO good. I
> am all excited now about planting the rest of my veggies. My one bed
> already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli and cauliflower, and will
> have strawberries in it too soon. I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.

Right. So when is it that we're coming to dinner? :)

-Leslie

Hillary Israeli

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Apr 26, 2002, 1:03:36 PM4/26/02
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In <3CC977A5...@stl-online.netNOSPAM>,
Lynn A. <ly...@stl-online.netNOSPAM> wrote:

*Hillary Israeli wrote:
*
*> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
*> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
*> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
*> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
*> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each. It was SOOOOO good. I
*> am all excited now about planting the rest of my veggies. My one bed
*> already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli and cauliflower, and will
*> have strawberries in it too soon. I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
*> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
*> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.
*
*
* I'm sooo jealous Hillary! Home grown lettuce sounds so
*good! I doubt I could have lettuce, I have a hard enough time
*keeping the wild rabbits and squirrels away as it is.

We use a spray which basically contains extract of rotten eggs and hot
peppers to keep the deer and rabbits away, and it works pretty well. We
have a HUGE deer and medium rabbit problem so you might give it a try.

I did go back to the garden center today and I bought some bush cukes,
bell peppers, and jalapenos and habaneros. I'll probably end up planting
these Sunday morning. I have to figure out which go in which bed. The
place I went didn't have the right kind of tomatoes so I'm waiting on
those til maybe monday. I'd like to plant some onions too.

* I'm not going to be planting as many veggies and herbs as
*I have in the past. I've already started planting. I've got two
*different kinds of cucumbers, dill, basil, onions, sage, oregano
*and chamomile planted. I bought parsley and 3 kinds of pepper
*seeds last weekend. I still need to get my cherry tomato plants.

Let's see - I've got newly planted basil in a pot with my 6 or 7 year old
oregano plant. My 7 year old rosemary shrub I just transplanted from a pot
into the perennial garden on our hill next to the veggie beds. In the same
region I have two shrubby, pretty good sized thyme plants - one is green,
one is variegated gold. I have a small lemon thyme, and two english
creeping thymes, filling out the thyme section. Oh, I also have a mother
of thyme plant in there. Slightly uphill from there along the stairs by
the raised beds are a golden variegated sage and a "hot 'n spicy" oregano
variant I've never tasted before. Down near the foot of the hill I have
some Roman chamomile. Back down in the pots on the patio I have some dill
that seems to have come up from last year's dill reseeding itself, my
parsley that is now over a year old - just didn't die, some lemon grass I
just planted, some cilantro/coriander I need to put into one of the pots,
and my large tub which contains a very large lavender shrub as well as
some peppermint which I'm afraid is going to choke the lavender, although
right now the lavender is doing very well. Can anyone advise me on dealing
with that? I've considered moving the lavender up onto perennial hill, as
I call it, but I fear (a) killing my very nice lavender plant by yanking
it out of this huge pot, and (b) accidentally transplanting some
peppermint up there and then having it take over.

Speaking of mint: I have some mint plants I'd like to use as a little bit
of fragrant ground cover but I don't want them taking over the world. If I
plant medium sized plants in large containers will I be safe? Do you have
to use containers that do not have drainage holes? Inquiring minds want to
know.


* This year I'm doing more flower gardening. I've got a
*garden along one side of our backyard I want to extend the rest
*of the way to the back fence. It looks great so far, I've been
*splitting my hostas, canna lilys and black eyed susans and using
*them in other parts of the garden.

Sounds great. When I did my little landscape tour a few weeks ago I found
a new peony shrub coming up. I don't know where it came from but I'm happy
to have it. I'm afraid it's too close to a tree but I'm going to try to
move it after it. Should I move it now or let it get more established
first (I imagine it would be easier to move now, but it's so young and
small I worry about shocking it). I also have a few lillies near that (no
idea what kind) and some hydrangeas in the same area. My arbor has
clematis growing up one side and I plan to put climbing roses on the other
side. I've just planted a whole giant bunch of perennials on perennial
hill (shasta daises, dianthus, creeping phlox, another kind of weird red
daisy-type plant, a matting green plant with small columbine like blue
flowers... I need more though. I'm getting some purple coneflowers from my
mom - hers are taking over her garden. I'm planning on planting some
nasturtium alongside the other edge of my veggie beds, too. Probably a mix
of colors.

I love to garden. Jacob helped me plant my strawberries today too which
was very cute - he took handsful of dirt and threw them on :)

Hillary Israeli

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Apr 26, 2002, 1:04:50 PM4/26/02
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In <Pine.LNX.4.44.02042...@me1.egr.duke.edu>,
Leslie Deak <ld...@me1.egr.duke.edu> wrote:

*On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Hillary Israeli wrote:
*
*> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
*> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
*> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
*> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
*> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each. It was SOOOOO good. I
*> am all excited now about planting the rest of my veggies. My one bed
*> already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli and cauliflower, and will
*> have strawberries in it too soon. I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
*> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
*> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.
*
*Right. So when is it that we're coming to dinner? :)

Hey, you know where we live (I think). You tell me. We do have dinner
pretty much every night. :)

Susan Behr MacDuffee

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Apr 26, 2002, 1:11:37 PM4/26/02
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hil...@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli) wrote in message news:<slrnaciptc....@manx.misty.com>...

> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each. It was SOOOOO good. I
> am all excited now about planting the rest of my veggies. My one bed
> already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli and cauliflower, and will
> have strawberries in it too soon. I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.

Mmmmm...sounds very yummy indeed. Dave just planted a few things in
pots the other day. I think he has some peppers and tomatoes. We
have a huge backyard, we really should plant a proper garden. My BIL
planted one a couple of years ago in an area about 8' x 8' and it
yielded quit a bit of lovely vegetables that he shared.

--Susan

Ranee Mueller

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Apr 26, 2002, 2:18:31 PM4/26/02
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In article <slrnaciptc....@manx.misty.com>, hil...@hillary.net
(Hillary Israeli) wrote:

> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd
> taken over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice
> olive oil vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of
> lettuce that I don't have names for that came with the label "spicy
> mesclun mix" and "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each.
> It was SOOOOO good. I am all excited now about planting the rest of
> my veggies. My one bed already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli
> and cauliflower, and will have strawberries in it too soon. I'm
> thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar snap peas, hot peppers, sweet
> peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and beets in the other two
> beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.

It's too early for us to have most of our plants out, and we just
haven't planted things like lettuce yet, because we were busy having a
baby and all. ;) However, the beds are ready, our herbs are going like
gangbusters and our peach tree is blossoming nicely. I can't wait to
see what our garden does this year. Another nice thing about our little
Ghetto is that we all share plants and stuff, so if someone has
something you'd like, you can get a plant, cutting whatever. We got our
lilacs that way. Our flowers are doing fabulous, the forsythia has been
blooming away, the pansies just pop up in the lawn as volunteers now, my
rose and the roses that were here aren't blooming yet, but are filling
out beautifully, we also inherited three clumps of calla lily plants
from the previous tenants that are gorgeous, we just water them.

Regards,
Ranee

--
To e-mail me, remove donot and spam from address.
Sorry for the inconvenience, I've been getting far
too much spam. raneem at harbornet dot com

Ranee Mueller

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Apr 26, 2002, 2:20:15 PM4/26/02
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In article <slrnacj29f....@manx.misty.com>, hil...@hillary.net
(Hillary Israeli) wrote:

> Speaking of mint: I have some mint plants I'd like to use as a little
> bit of fragrant ground cover but I don't want them taking over the
> world. If I plant medium sized plants in large containers will I be
> safe? Do you have to use containers that do not have drainage holes?
> Inquiring minds want to know.

Keep the pots away from everything else, including the grass. We
have mint growing out of the walk and the side of the door. For real.
The people before us here planted it in the beds, and it never goes
away. It grows wild on the side of the roads around here anyway, along
with blackberries. They are both the bane of a NW gardener. A hint if
you want to grow them is to hate them enough and they'll flourish.

Ranee Mueller

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Apr 26, 2002, 2:21:21 PM4/26/02
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In article <slrnacj29f....@manx.misty.com>, hil...@hillary.net
(Hillary Israeli) wrote:

> I love to garden. Jacob helped me plant my strawberries today too which
> was very cute - he took handsful of dirt and threw them on :)

That is sweet! The boys each got a trowel and helped Rich turn the
dirt over. We had to work on explaining to Alexander that he didn't
need to remove the dirt from the beds, then that the parsley didn't need
more dirt. :)

Ranee Mueller

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Apr 26, 2002, 2:22:26 PM4/26/02
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In article <slrnacj2br....@manx.misty.com>, hil...@hillary.net
(Hillary Israeli) wrote:

> We do have dinner pretty much every night. :)

This reminds me of the single guys we invite for dinner with us.
They alway act like we're going to so much trouble. I finally told one
of them that we had dinner on a regular basis, so we were just asking
him to come share it with us.

Hillary Israeli

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Apr 26, 2002, 2:31:23 PM4/26/02
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In <raneemdonot-AD8A...@news.harbornet.com>,
Ranee Mueller <ranee...@spamharbornet.com> wrote:

*In article <slrnacj29f....@manx.misty.com>, hil...@hillary.net
*(Hillary Israeli) wrote:
*
*> Speaking of mint: I have some mint plants I'd like to use as a little
*> bit of fragrant ground cover but I don't want them taking over the
*> world. If I plant medium sized plants in large containers will I be
*> safe? Do you have to use containers that do not have drainage holes?
*> Inquiring minds want to know.
*
* Keep the pots away from everything else, including the grass. We

So...you're saying do not plant pots of mint in the ground, then? Darn. I
thought you could keep it manageable if you planted them in containers.
Maybe I will have to get one of those big fake-rock planters and set it on
the hill.

Lynn A.

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Apr 26, 2002, 2:41:22 PM4/26/02
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Ranee Mueller wrote:

> In article <slrnacj29f....@manx.misty.com>, hil...@hillary.net
> (Hillary Israeli) wrote:
>
>
>>Speaking of mint: I have some mint plants I'd like to use as a little
>>bit of fragrant ground cover but I don't want them taking over the
>>world. If I plant medium sized plants in large containers will I be
>>safe? Do you have to use containers that do not have drainage holes?
>>Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>
> Keep the pots away from everything else, including the grass. We
> have mint growing out of the walk and the side of the door. For real.
> The people before us here planted it in the beds, and it never goes
> away. It grows wild on the side of the roads around here anyway, along
> with blackberries. They are both the bane of a NW gardener. A hint if
> you want to grow them is to hate them enough and they'll flourish.


I guess I should try that. I haven't had much luck with any
of the mints I've tried to grow. I do have just a little bit of
applemint that's returned from last year but not much. I *want*
it to take over a certain area of my garden, it just won't.

Lynn


Lynn A.

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Apr 26, 2002, 3:55:36 PM4/26/02
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Susan Behr MacDuffee wrote:


> Mmmmm...sounds very yummy indeed. Dave just planted a few things in
> pots the other day. I think he has some peppers and tomatoes. We
> have a huge backyard, we really should plant a proper garden. My BIL
> planted one a couple of years ago in an area about 8' x 8' and it
> yielded quit a bit of lovely vegetables that he shared.


You'd laugh at my veggie/herb garden! It's a raised bed,
only about 9' x 4'. I plant more herbs than vegetables though so
space has never been an issue.

Lynn


Lynn A.

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Apr 26, 2002, 4:04:20 PM4/26/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:


> * I'm sooo jealous Hillary! Home grown lettuce sounds so
> *good! I doubt I could have lettuce, I have a hard enough time
> *keeping the wild rabbits and squirrels away as it is.
>
> We use a spray which basically contains extract of rotten eggs and hot
> peppers to keep the deer and rabbits away, and it works pretty well. We
> have a HUGE deer and medium rabbit problem so you might give it a try.


But does it keep people away too, smelling like that? :)
Do you happen to recall the name of it?


Lynn

Puester

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Apr 26, 2002, 4:43:42 PM4/26/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of mint: I have some mint plants I'd like to use as a little bit
> of fragrant ground cover but I don't want them taking over the world. If I
> plant medium sized plants in large containers will I be safe? Do you have
> to use containers that do not have drainage holes? Inquiring minds want to
> know.
>

Common mints spread in two ways, via underground roots or
by spreading seeds. The flowers which form seeds grow
at the top of each stem and look like insignificant fuzzy white growths
a few inches long. When seeds are ripe, the stems bend and
drop the seeds quite a distance away from the parent stem.
It helps keep things in check if you prune back the stems a few
times during the growing season and keep the flower heads from forming
while the growing season is still current.

If you plant mint in a non-draining pot you take the chance of it
getting root rot from the standing water. The way to keep it from
spreading via root growth is to lift the pot once a week or so to break
off any new roots growing through the drainage, or set the pot on a
saucer.

gkp

Hillary Israeli

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Apr 26, 2002, 6:32:25 PM4/26/02
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In <3CC9B2C4...@stl-online.netNOSPAM>,
Lynn A. <ly...@stl-online.netNOSPAM> wrote:

*Hillary Israeli wrote:
*
*

*> * I'm sooo jealous Hillary! Home grown lettuce sounds so
*> *good! I doubt I could have lettuce, I have a hard enough time
*> *keeping the wild rabbits and squirrels away as it is.
*>
*> We use a spray which basically contains extract of rotten eggs and hot
*> peppers to keep the deer and rabbits away, and it works pretty well. We
*> have a HUGE deer and medium rabbit problem so you might give it a try.
*
*
* But does it keep people away too, smelling like that? :)

It smells bad when you spray it but by the next day you can't tell (and
either it washes off very easily or it just doesn't taste that bad to us
because my veggies do not taste gross). The one we have now is called
LIquid fence animal repellent. I see it is made of eggs and garlic and
some other stuff.

JH

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Apr 26, 2002, 10:48:28 PM4/26/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:

> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each.

You can keep seeding this type of lettuce all summer and snip the small leaves
for salad.

> It was SOOOOO good. I
> am all excited now about planting the rest of my veggies. My one bed
> already has the lettuces, as well as brocolli and cauliflower,

Remember when your cauliflower starts to form a head you have to pull the
leaves over the head and rubber band them together to bleach the head white.

> and will
> have strawberries in it too soon.

I just put in Earliglow strawberries this morning. You have to keep picking
the blossoms off this variety so that the energy is put into runners for next
spring's strawberries. Not willing to wait that long, we trekked to the local
strawberry farm and picked several pounds. Yummm!

> I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.
>

I think it is too late for sugar snap peas and beets which are cool season
vegetables like lettuce and broccoli. I've been working on the garden for
several weeks and it is certainly a work in progress. Today I got the
strawberries in and the zinnias plus several more beds weeded. I already have
my tomatoes in and need to transplant a few more. My onions, lettuce,
jalapeno and banana pappers and cauliflower are also already in and growing
well. Tomorrow I'll plant the red potato eyes and the green peppers but wait
another week to plant the seeds for cantalope, squash, melons, cucs, etc.

KellieGaines

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Apr 26, 2002, 11:15:53 PM4/26/02
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You have deer? In your backyard? Wow. How is it fenced (or not) so
that deer can get in?

Isn't it fun to garden with toddlers? Jenna got some plastic garden
tools for her birthday, and she's very serious about helping me plant
things (I haven't let her help weed, since I can just see her pulling
out the flowers instead of the weeds =) She especially likes to water
the container plants, and help me move rocks.

kellie

hil...@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli) wrote in message news:<slrnacj29f....@manx.misty.com>...


> We use a spray which basically contains extract of rotten eggs and hot
> peppers to keep the deer and rabbits away, and it works pretty well. We
> have a HUGE deer and medium rabbit problem so you might give it a try.
>

KellieGaines

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Apr 26, 2002, 11:21:24 PM4/26/02
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So, *that's* what I've been doing wrong. I love mint, I want it to
take over our whole slope in the back, and I've killed every single
mint I've ever had, so I haven't even attempted it here.

kellie

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Hillary Israeli

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Apr 27, 2002, 7:08:44 AM4/27/02
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In <3CCA117C...@thinds.com>,
JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:

*> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
*> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
*> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
*> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
*> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each.
*
*You can keep seeding this type of lettuce all summer and snip the small leaves
*for salad.

You mean, plant new seeds near the existing lettuces? Or do you mean
something else? Sorry, I'm not that up on gardening lingo :)


*Remember when your cauliflower starts to form a head you have to pull the
*leaves over the head and rubber band them together to bleach the head white.

I had no idea. Thanks for the tip :). Luckily they're still babies.

*I just put in Earliglow strawberries this morning. You have to keep picking
*the blossoms off this variety so that the energy is put into runners for next
*spring's strawberries. Not willing to wait that long, we trekked to the local
*strawberry farm and picked several pounds. Yummm!

Heh.

*> I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
*> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
*> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.
*>
*
*I think it is too late for sugar snap peas and beets which are cool season
*vegetables like lettuce and broccoli. I've been working on the garden for

Really? Hmmm. I was browsing a book at B&N called something like "PA
gardening" or "gardening in PA" and it said to plant them between April 15
and May 15. I guess it could have been a typo, or just plain wrong, but I
will check with the garden center before doing any planting anyway.
Thanks.


*strawberries in and the zinnias plus several more beds weeded. I already have
*my tomatoes in and need to transplant a few more. My onions, lettuce,
*jalapeno and banana pappers and cauliflower are also already in and growing
*well. Tomorrow I'll plant the red potato eyes and the green peppers but wait
*another week to plant the seeds for cantalope, squash, melons, cucs, etc.

Sounds great.

Hillary Israeli

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Apr 27, 2002, 7:09:57 AM4/27/02
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In <b5a34900.0204...@posting.google.com>,
KellieGaines <gain...@juno.com> wrote:

*You have deer? In your backyard? Wow. How is it fenced (or not) so
*that deer can get in?

Not fenced, not that it would really matter unless it was a 6+ foot tall
fence with barbed wire on top. Sometimes there are deer in our driveway
when we get home at night, too.

*Isn't it fun to garden with toddlers? Jenna got some plastic garden
*tools for her birthday, and she's very serious about helping me plant
*things (I haven't let her help weed, since I can just see her pulling
*out the flowers instead of the weeds =) She especially likes to water
*the container plants, and help me move rocks.

Jacob already tries to help weed by pulling out anything that he sees
growing. That's a pain. He loves to carry the hose around and try to water
stuff, though.

JH

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Apr 27, 2002, 6:48:32 PM4/27/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:

> In <3CCA117C...@thinds.com>,
> JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:
>
> *> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
> *> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
> *> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
> *> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
> *> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each.
> *
> *You can keep seeding this type of lettuce all summer and snip the small leaves
> *for salad.
>
> You mean, plant new seeds near the existing lettuces? Or do you mean
> something else? Sorry, I'm not that up on gardening lingo :)

Yes, keep putting in new seed all summer even though lettuce is a cool season
crop. The reason is that in hot waether lettuce/broccoli/cauliflower/etc. will
"bolt" meaning it will grow like a weed and produce seed heads. You want to eat
that stuff when its young and tender so if you sow lettuce seeds every two weeks
throughout summer, you can use a pair of scissors and cut off the young leaves for
salad. I wouldn't even thin them out...just let them get to about 2-3 inches tall
and snip, snip with the scissors for fresh salad each week.

>
>
> *Remember when your cauliflower starts to form a head you have to pull the
> *leaves over the head and rubber band them together to bleach the head white.
>
> I had no idea. Thanks for the tip :). Luckily they're still babies.

Yep, if you don't cover the new little heads, they will be green and probably
tough. Not something you'd want to eat. The trick is to keep checking them to
make sure the heads are ready for harvesting.

>
> *> I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
> *> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
> *> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.
> *>
> *
> *I think it is too late for sugar snap peas and beets which are cool season
> *vegetables like lettuce and broccoli. I've been working on the garden for
>
> Really? Hmmm. I was browsing a book at B&N called something like "PA
> gardening" or "gardening in PA" and it said to plant them between April 15
> and May 15. I guess it could have been a typo, or just plain wrong, but I
> will check with the garden center before doing any planting anyway.
> Thanks.
>

Vegetables are categorized as being with warm season or hot season plants. Beets,
carrots, lettuce, broccoli, peas, cauliflower, cabbage, radishes are all considered
"cool" or warm season which means they are grown either in spring or fall.
Tomatoes, peppers, cucs, pumpkins, beans, melons are hot season and grow best in
the middle of summer. I would find it odd that you can plant both tomatoes and
sugar snap peas at the same time and get good results. Usually peas are planted in
very early spring..February in my area of NC. Tomatoes shouldn't go out until
April 15th at the earliest. So there is a 2 month time lag between plantings of
these two vegetables. Your county extension agent is your friend and will know
more about how, what and when to plant in your immediate area. I call mine two or
three times a year to clarify gardening things and he usually comes around the
property once a year to inspect my fruit trees, collect bug samples if I am having
a weird infestation (like the blister beatles I had one year), do diagnosis of
plant diseases and offer remedies. It's a great resource provided by your tax
dollars.

J.

Lynn A.

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Hillary Israeli wrote:


> * But does it keep people away too, smelling like that? :)
>
> It smells bad when you spray it but by the next day you can't tell (and
> either it washes off very easily or it just doesn't taste that bad to us
> because my veggies do not taste gross). The one we have now is called
> LIquid fence animal repellent. I see it is made of eggs and garlic and
> some other stuff.


Thanks Hillary. I've seen this in a couple different
gardening catalogs, I'll have to see if I can find it locally too.

Lynn


rangitotogirl

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Apr 28, 2002, 2:17:49 AM4/28/02
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I'm thinking I'll plant tomatoes, sugar
> snap peas, hot peppers, sweet peppers, cucumbers, and possibly onions and
> beets in the other two beds. I might go veggie hunting today before work.

I'll be planting sugar snap peas in a few weeks time. I noticed I can plant
them here from late summer to late winter. Last weekend I planted peas,
carrots, leeks, potatos and parsley. I noticed today that the peas and
carrots have just started sprouting so we've got lots of little babies in
our garden at the moment.

Now if I can only keep the neighbours cat away I'll be really happy.

Hillary Israeli

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Apr 28, 2002, 8:17:08 AM4/28/02
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In <3CCB2AC0...@thinds.com>,
JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:

*
*
*Hillary Israeli wrote:
*
*> In <3CCA117C...@thinds.com>,
*> JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:
*>
*> *> Well, I went out this morning to check on my lettuces and they'd taken
*> *> over so I harvested some and just had it for brunch with a nice olive oil
*> *> vinaigrette. OMG. This is great stuff! I planted a bunch of lettuce that I
*> *> don't have names for that came with the label "spicy mesclun mix" and
*> *> "mild mesclun mix" and I used some leaves from each.


*> *
*> *You can keep seeding this type of lettuce all summer and snip the small leaves

*> *for salad.
*>
*> You mean, plant new seeds near the existing lettuces? Or do you mean
*> something else? Sorry, I'm not that up on gardening lingo :)
*
*Yes, keep putting in new seed all summer even though lettuce is a cool season
*crop. The reason is that in hot waether lettuce/broccoli/cauliflower/etc. will

So... again, I know I sound stupid but - are you saying sow new seeds next
to the existing plants, or rip out the existing plants after harvesting
the young leaves because they won't grow any new leaves? I never grew
lettuce before, can you tell? :)

*these two vegetables. Your county extension agent is your friend and will know
*more about how, what and when to plant in your immediate area. I call mine two or

I haven't had the best luck with our extension agent in the past, but
usually the guy at the local garden center knows what's up. I will check
with him for sure.

Karina Sendt

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Apr 28, 2002, 7:20:53 PM4/28/02
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rangitotogirl <rangit...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

: Now if I can only keep the neighbours cat away I'll be really happy.

FWIW, we found that putting lots of short sticks poking into the ground did
a pretty good job of discouraging cats from digging up the soft soil.

rangitotogirl

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> FWIW, we found that putting lots of short sticks poking into the ground
did
> a pretty good job of discouraging cats from digging up the soft soil.

That's not a bad idea. I've got all these 1 cm high plants. I put netting
over the top and the stupid cat just sits on top of the netting which gets
really annoying. If I do lots of sticks we can make sure the netting stays
a few inches above the plants.

Thanks Karina.


Puester

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Apr 29, 2002, 12:28:36 PM4/29/02
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They don't much like pine needles, either.

gloria p

Mieko

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Apr 29, 2002, 4:38:36 PM4/29/02
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In article <b5a34900.0204...@posting.google.com>, gain...@juno.com (KellieGaines) wrote:
>Isn't it fun to garden with toddlers? Jenna got some plastic garden
>tools for her birthday, and she's very serious about helping me plant
>things (I haven't let her help weed, since I can just see her pulling
>out the flowers instead of the weeds =) She especially likes to water
>the container plants, and help me move rocks.
>
>kellie

Oooo... Can I hire her? I always need container plants watered and rocks
moved. :)

Our yard is coming together nicely - we just replaced a retaining wall that
was falling down (was made of wood), and now have those pretty gravity bricks.
We're starting to plan the plants, we're going for a tropical look, so palm
trees, hibiscus, and bromeliads are the main things, but I've also got a lime
tree that needs to be snuck in (always need limes for margaritas), and I'm
hoping to put a few herbs in.

Hopefully I can get everything out of pots before I kill anything else. I'm
not very good at watering on a regular basis. I got more sprinklers put in
for the new plants, so it should be easy once they're in the ground.

Mieko

KellieGaines

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Apr 30, 2002, 2:03:18 AM4/30/02
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Sure! You know where to find her, and hey, she's cheap labor ;)

Have you seen those patio drip kits at Home Depot? We haven't used
them (we had a drip system put it, so that all I havd to do was hook
up the lines and anchor them) but they sure look handy.

kellie (who would never remember to water the container plants if I
didn't have a helper tugging at the door and yelling "Sprinkle the
plants - they're *dying*, they need water")

mie...@iwon.com (Mieko) wrote in message news:<aakb1p$cik$2...@coset.qualcomm.com>...

KellieGaines

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Apr 30, 2002, 2:04:35 AM4/30/02
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Hillary, I thought of you today... There was an article in the May
Martha Stewart Living magazine about deer-proofing your garden. Let
me know if you want any info from that.

kellie

hil...@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli) wrote in message news:<slrnacl1ue....@manx.misty.com>...

Jan A. Cordes

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Apr 30, 2002, 2:36:25 AM4/30/02
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A good friend of mine recently spent 4+ hours on the internet researching
rose varieties. Seems she's decided that DH and I need to plan a feline
rose garden. She has been research names of roses that match up to names
of my cats. She just sent me this huge list of roses and where they're
available locally. It was quite a project for her. Now all I have to
do is convince DH to plant them for me. He's already started removing
the many layers of rock (thanks former owners) from the section in front
of our house that might be suitable for rose bushes.

Jan (the non-gardener in the family who loves roses)

P.S. My little dendrobium orchid is dropping flowers. There's only
one left. I'm so bummed. DH promised to care for it for me
since I'm flower clueless and purple thumbed. I think this is
normal for this type of orchid but it's still sad to watch the
flowers disappear.

--
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..................................................................
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http://www.svff.org : mice, hates dogs, and
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Hillary Israeli

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Apr 30, 2002, 7:09:02 AM4/30/02
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In <b5a34900.02042...@posting.google.com>,
KellieGaines <gain...@juno.com> wrote:

*Hillary, I thought of you today... There was an article in the May
*Martha Stewart Living magazine about deer-proofing your garden. Let
*me know if you want any info from that.

Wouldn't hurt :)

Rose Bingham

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Apr 30, 2002, 7:48:11 AM4/30/02
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On 29 Apr 2002 23:03:18 -0700, gain...@juno.com (KellieGaines)
wrote:

>kellie (who would never remember to water the container plants if I
>didn't have a helper tugging at the door and yelling "Sprinkle the
>plants - they're *dying*, they need water")

Jared says he's helping Daddy make the plants feel better.

Rose

JH

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Hillary Israeli wrote:

> So... again, I know I sound stupid but - are you saying sow new seeds next
> to the existing plants, or rip out the existing plants after harvesting
> the young leaves because they won't grow any new leaves? I never grew
> lettuce before, can you tell? :)
>

Ok, I see where you are confused. As you rip out older plants, reseed with the new
lettuce seed. There will come a point where your lettuce will not produce anymore
leaves to eat because it will start bolting to produce seed heads in the heat of the
summer. There is no point in keeping a non-productive plant so riiiiip it out! I know
this goes against the grain of gardening to rip out food but that's the way it's done.
You can seed new lettuce under tomatoes , too, because the young plants will appreciate
the shade.

>
> *these two vegetables. Your county extension agent is your friend and will know
> *more about how, what and when to plant in your immediate area. I call mine two or
>
> I haven't had the best luck with our extension agent in the past, but
> usually the guy at the local garden center knows what's up. I will check
> with him for sure.

Is there a Master Gardener program near you? Most Master Gardeners I've known are all
too willing to help others with their gardening. Also, is there a regional Usenet
newsgroup on the subject of gardening for your area? For example, there is
triangle.gardening (I think that's what it is) where, if I had a serious question, I
have gone in the past to inquire of other local gardeners.

Sorry, I didn't reply promptly but I was enjoying a few days at the beach.

Hillary Israeli

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May 1, 2002, 5:26:17 PM5/1/02
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In <3CD00142...@thinds.com>,
JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:

*Ok, I see where you are confused. As you rip out older plants, reseed with the new
*lettuce seed. There will come a point where your lettuce will not produce anymore
*leaves to eat because it will start bolting to produce seed heads in the heat of the
*summer. There is no point in keeping a non-productive plant so riiiiip it out! I know
*this goes against the grain of gardening to rip out food but that's the way it's done.
*You can seed new lettuce under tomatoes , too, because the young plants will appreciate
*the shade.

[I apologize but I can't get my quoted material to wrap correctly today]

Thank you for explaining! I have actually asked people this before and
never got an explanation that made sense to me :). The advice about the
tomatoes as shade is wonderful. I just bought Too Many Tomatoes because I
couldn't decide on just one or two varieties (I ended up with Early Girl,
which produces fabulous results for me, as well as something called Lemon
Boy, two sweet cherry/grape tomato varieties, Lowes' "garden hybrid"
variety,a nd a couple of others, heaven help me. But last year we planted
nine plants in much less room than I have now so I think I will be ok with
the, uh, 13 plants I have now. :)

*
*Is there a Master Gardener program near you? Most Master Gardeners I've known are all
*too willing to help others with their gardening. Also, is there a regional Usenet
*newsgroup on the subject of gardening for your area? For example, there is
*triangle.gardening (I think that's what it is) where, if I had a serious question, I
*have gone in the past to inquire of other local gardeners.
*

I don't know. I will have to check. There isn't a phl.garden group, but I
have lurked off and on at rec.garden.edible or whatever it is called. THe
problem with that group is that they are somewhat intolerant of anyone
using less than 100% organic gardening methods, and sometimes I am less
than 100% organic :)

*Sorry, I didn't reply promptly but I was enjoying a few days at the beach.

No problem, thanks for the tips!

Lynn A.

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May 1, 2002, 5:40:30 PM5/1/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:


> I don't know. I will have to check. There isn't a phl.garden group, but I
> have lurked off and on at rec.garden.edible or whatever it is called. THe
> problem with that group is that they are somewhat intolerant of anyone
> using less than 100% organic gardening methods, and sometimes I am less
> than 100% organic :)

rec.gardens is pretty good and they don't act like that.

Lynn

JH

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May 1, 2002, 8:47:57 PM5/1/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:

> In <3CD00142...@thinds.com>,
> JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:
>
> *Ok, I see where you are confused. As you rip out older plants, reseed with the new
> *lettuce seed. There will come a point where your lettuce will not produce anymore
> *leaves to eat because it will start bolting to produce seed heads in the heat of the
> *summer. There is no point in keeping a non-productive plant so riiiiip it out! I know
> *this goes against the grain of gardening to rip out food but that's the way it's done.
> *You can seed new lettuce under tomatoes , too, because the young plants will appreciate
> *the shade.
>
> [I apologize but I can't get my quoted material to wrap correctly today]
>
> Thank you for explaining! I have actually asked people this before and
> never got an explanation that made sense to me :). The advice about the
> tomatoes as shade is wonderful.

Technically, you are supposed to "prune" the bottom leaves of your tomatoes (helps in not
allowing fungus or other plant diseases develop from water splashing on leaves) and that is
what gives you room to plant lettuce in the tomato's shade. I won't get into how serious
tomato growers will pinch off all side shoots except the main lead for greater production.

> I just bought Too Many Tomatoes because I
> couldn't decide on just one or two varieties (I ended up with Early Girl,
> which produces fabulous results for me, as well as something called Lemon
> Boy, two sweet cherry/grape tomato varieties, Lowes' "garden hybrid"
> variety,a nd a couple of others, heaven help me. But last year we planted
> nine plants in much less room than I have now so I think I will be ok with
> the, uh, 13 plants I have now. :)
>

I didn't do this for years but keep a journal of what varieties you grow, where you plant
them, how well they produce, diseases, etc. I can;'t remember from year to year sometimes
what works and what doesn't so referencing back to the journal helps me not to make repeat
mistakes. Besides, in the depths of winter, it's fun to go back and remember the garden and
plan ahead.

Btw, canning tomato chunks is a breeze so plan ahead.

> sometimes I am less
> than 100% organic :)

I try to be organic as possible but I sure do love Round-up and Team (or Preen). I have a 15
gallon sprayer that hooks up to the lawn tractor and can shoot some 30 feet so I obliterate
the grass and weeds on the fence lines and anywhere else I deem it to be an annoyance. I
don't use pesticides however.

>
>
> *Sorry, I didn't reply promptly but I was enjoying a few days at the beach.
>
> No problem, thanks for the tips!

hehehe After Carrie's beach weekend report, I had to get to the beach. I had a simply
divine hot crab dip on toast points, iced tea, broiled scallops dinner on the oceanfront
Sunday night.....*sigh* Pure indulgence. The weather was wonderful, too.

Ranee Mueller

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May 7, 2002, 7:57:32 PM5/7/02
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In article <MPG.1734676df...@nntp.mindspring.com>, Robin
<rob...@softhome.net> wrote:

> ranee...@spamharbornet.com wrote...
> > It's too early for us to have most of our plants out, and we just
> > haven't planted things like lettuce yet, because we were busy having a
> > baby and all. ;)
> >
> And the truth comes out: Ranee isn't superwoman after all!

Hey, I never claimed to be. :) I just am good at organizing my time
to do what I have to so I can do what I enjoy.

Regards,
Ranee

--
To e-mail me, remove donot and spam from address.
Sorry for the inconvenience, I've been getting far
too much spam. raneem at harbornet dot com

Ranee Mueller

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May 7, 2002, 7:58:29 PM5/7/02
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In article <slrnacj7e4....@manx.misty.com>, hil...@hillary.net
(Hillary Israeli) wrote:

> In <raneemdonot-AD8A...@news.harbornet.com>, Ranee
> Mueller <ranee...@spamharbornet.com> wrote:
>
> *In article <slrnacj29f....@manx.misty.com>,
> hil...@hillary.net *(Hillary Israeli) wrote: * *> Speaking of mint:
> I have some mint plants I'd like to use as a little *> bit of
> fragrant ground cover but I don't want them taking over the *> world.
> If I plant medium sized plants in large containers will I be *> safe?
> Do you have to use containers that do not have drainage holes? *>
> Inquiring minds want to know. * * Keep the pots away from
> everything else, including the grass. We
>
> So...you're saying do not plant pots of mint in the ground, then?
> Darn. I thought you could keep it manageable if you planted them in
> containers. Maybe I will have to get one of those big fake-rock
> planters and set it on the hill.

I wouldn't trust them. They just spread too much. Like I said, they
are weeds on the sides of roads here. Mint and blackberry, everywhere.

Ranee Mueller

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May 7, 2002, 7:59:33 PM5/7/02
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In article <b5a34900.0204...@posting.google.com>,
gain...@juno.com (KellieGaines) wrote:

> Isn't it fun to garden with toddlers? Jenna got some plastic garden
> tools for her birthday, and she's very serious about helping me plant
> things (I haven't let her help weed, since I can just see her pulling
> out the flowers instead of the weeds =) She especially likes to water
> the container plants, and help me move rocks.

Alexander helped dig up the beds, and both the boys moved rocks with
Rich. It was so fun to watch them. I'd sit out and nurse the baby
while they worked on the last of it, made for some nice family time.

Ranee Mueller

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May 7, 2002, 8:00:26 PM5/7/02
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In article <MPG.1734bc16d...@nntp.mindspring.com>, Robin
<rob...@softhome.net> wrote:

> gain...@juno.com wrote...


> > You have deer? In your backyard? Wow. How is it fenced (or not) so
> > that deer can get in?
> >

> Heh. From what I've read, anything under 12 feet.
>
> We get tons of deer in our yard, part of which is wooded, as is the land
> behind our house.
>
> According to our neighbor (who works odd hours and is up when the deer
> are) they not only aren't afraid of people, but they snort at you to try
> to scare you off.
>
> I'm putting up a 6' fence close to my raised beds, on the theory that
> they don't like to jump a fence when there isn't a clear landing area,
> and there won't be.
>
> Stop laughing. Stop laughing right now!

I can't. It's too funny!

Regards,
Ranee (who lives in a "rural" area, where deer are welcome and we
have a yearly bear infestation)

Ranee Mueller

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May 7, 2002, 8:02:00 PM5/7/02
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In article <b5a34900.02042...@posting.google.com>,
gain...@juno.com (KellieGaines) wrote:

> So, *that's* what I've been doing wrong. I love mint, I want it to
> take over our whole slope in the back, and I've killed every single
> mint I've ever had, so I haven't even attempted it here.

Just hate them, yell minty epithets at them. Same with blackberries.
We love them, but the plants are weeds, just grow everywhere. I saw
some Kill Blackberry plant stuff at the feed store, but haven't gotten
any. I do like the two kinds that grow wild here, but it would be nice
if they didn't take over the yard. We found some wild blackcaps the
first year we lived here, though, and those are incredible!

Regards,
Ranee

JH

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May 8, 2002, 10:06:56 AM5/8/02
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Ranee Mueller wrote:

> In article <b5a34900.02042...@posting.google.com>,
> gain...@juno.com (KellieGaines) wrote:
>
> > So, *that's* what I've been doing wrong. I love mint, I want it to
> > take over our whole slope in the back, and I've killed every single
> > mint I've ever had, so I haven't even attempted it here.
>
> Just hate them, yell minty epithets at them. Same with blackberries.
> We love them, but the plants are weeds, just grow everywhere. I saw
> some Kill Blackberry plant stuff at the feed store, but haven't gotten
> any. I do like the two kinds that grow wild here, but it would be nice
> if they didn't take over the yard. We found some wild blackcaps the
> first year we lived here, though, and those are incredible!

Ranee, you need a goat! Goats consider blackberry brambles a delicacy, a
treat beyond all treats! Our fences and pastures are pristinely devoid of
any honeysuckle, blackberry, poison ivy, or other vining crap. And goat
poop is great on the garden.

aMAZon

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May 8, 2002, 10:17:10 AM5/8/02
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JH wrote:


Goats get rid of honeysuckle?

Can I borrow a goat for a week?!!!!

Do they like bamboo, too? That's another problem we have.

Drowning in honeysuckle up here,
--
aMAZon
zesz...@worldnet.att.net
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

Lynn A.

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May 8, 2002, 10:40:52 AM5/8/02
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aMAZon wrote:


> Do they like bamboo, too? That's another problem we have.


I *want* bamboo, but it doesn't grow well here, AFAIK. I'd
love to have it along our back fence.

Lynn


JH

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May 8, 2002, 11:42:00 AM5/8/02
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aMAZon wrote:

> JH wrote:
>
> >
> > Ranee Mueller wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In article <b5a34900.02042...@posting.google.com>,
> >>gain...@juno.com (KellieGaines) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>So, *that's* what I've been doing wrong. I love mint, I want it to
> >>>take over our whole slope in the back, and I've killed every single
> >>>mint I've ever had, so I haven't even attempted it here.
> >>>
> >> Just hate them, yell minty epithets at them. Same with blackberries.
> >>We love them, but the plants are weeds, just grow everywhere. I saw
> >>some Kill Blackberry plant stuff at the feed store, but haven't gotten
> >>any. I do like the two kinds that grow wild here, but it would be nice
> >>if they didn't take over the yard. We found some wild blackcaps the
> >>first year we lived here, though, and those are incredible!
> >>
> >
> > Ranee, you need a goat! Goats consider blackberry brambles a delicacy, a
> > treat beyond all treats! Our fences and pastures are pristinely devoid of
> > any honeysuckle, blackberry, poison ivy, or other vining crap. And goat
> > poop is great on the garden.
>
> Goats get rid of honeysuckle?

They LOVE honeysuckle! When we first moved here, the property had not been
well cared for and there was so much overgrowth. We're still battling it in
some areas. The very first goat we owned was my MIL's and we put her in the
backyard which had poison ivy in it. Poof! No more poison ivy and it's never
returned. We then fenced in the pasture by the driveway which had honeysuckle
growing all over hte side of the barn, on the corn crib and all over the well
housing. Poof! All gone! The goats are great pets and 4-H projects but they
are also extremely beneficial to the health of the property. The main pasture
they are in now was a barren , weedy mess with poor soil....after five years
that pasture is lush and thriving with absolutely nothing done to it or put on
it by humans. The before and after pictures would stun you.

>
>
> Can I borrow a goat for a week?!!!!

Some enterprising individuals have started renting out goats for land clearing
since they are browsers, not grazers and prefer the viney, brambly stuff and
tree seedlings and weeds my horses won't touch. We're planning on moving them
to a newer pasture that is overloaded with honeysuckle, brambles, ec. and I
expect in a year's time it will be immaculate. Essentially, the goats are low
cost, organic weedwhackers. I'm always amazed at how they blithely eat wild
rose and blackberry bramble canes as if the thorns were nothing.

>
>
> Do they like bamboo, too? That's another problem we have.

Love bamboo. They relish kudzu, too, which can be a major pain in the rump
here in the south.

>
>
> Drowning in honeysuckle up here,
> --

We had a short thunderstorm last night and afterwards there was this lovely
scent of honeysuckle wafting through the air like a delicate perfume. I love
the smell of the stuff on someone else's property but keep it off of mine.


JeanneP

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May 8, 2002, 12:20:18 PM5/8/02
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JH wrote:
>
> Goats consider blackberry brambles a delicacy, a
> treat beyond all treats! Our fences and pastures are pristinely devoid of
> any honeysuckle, blackberry, poison ivy, or other vining crap. And goat
> poop is great on the garden.

Might goats like Oriental Bittersweet? It grows big thick vines
that choke the trees, although it's not as bad as kudzu. There's
a neighbor up the street with a goat.

Jeanne P

JeanneP

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May 8, 2002, 12:26:46 PM5/8/02
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"Lynn A." wrote:
>
> I *want* bamboo, but it doesn't grow well here, AFAIK. I'd
> love to have it along our back fence.

You might be surprised to see where bamboo grows. Take a look at this
thread on gardenweb:
http://forums3.gardenweb.com/forums/load/grasses/msg0321063320321.html

Jeanne, thinking of growing bamboo, potted in the 2 story foyer.

Ranee Mueller

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May 8, 2002, 12:31:45 PM5/8/02
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In article <3CD930FF...@thinds.com>, JH <bas...@thinds.com>
wrote:

We actually live in an area where it would be okay for us to have a
goat, but I don't think our landlords would like it. I really want
chickens, too, but no go.

Lynn A.

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May 8, 2002, 2:34:28 PM5/8/02
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JeanneP wrote:

I think I'll send this guy an email and see where he gets
his bamboo then. Thanks. Every garden center/nursery I've asked
at has told me they don't carry it because it doesn't grow well
here. Hmm... These were "real" garden centers/nurseries too,
not Home Depot/Wal-Mart type places.

Lynn

JH

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May 8, 2002, 3:51:37 PM5/8/02
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Ranee Mueller wrote:

>
> > Ranee, you need a goat! Goats consider blackberry brambles a delicacy, a
> > treat beyond all treats! Our fences and pastures are pristinely devoid of
> > any honeysuckle, blackberry, poison ivy, or other vining crap. And goat
> > poop is great on the garden.
>
> We actually live in an area where it would be okay for us to have a
> goat, but I don't think our landlords would like it. I really want
> chickens, too, but no go.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee
>
> --

I have never understood zoning which prohibits pygmy goats. Goats don't bite,
don't bark and their poop doesn't smell. They might baaa a bit at feeding time
but not what I would classify as a nuisance. Yet someone can have five 100 lbs
dogs in a 1/4 acre lot, bark to all hours of the night, stench up the area with
dog poop and that's OK. Dogs are nothing more than canine hogs and personally
, I can't tell the difference between the stench of hog pen and a dog pen.

JH

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May 8, 2002, 3:53:29 PM5/8/02
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"Lynn A." wrote:

> I think I'll send this guy an email and see where he gets
> his bamboo then. Thanks. Every garden center/nursery I've asked
> at has told me they don't carry it because it doesn't grow well
> here. Hmm... These were "real" garden centers/nurseries too,
> not Home Depot/Wal-Mart type places.
>
> Lynn

Once you have bamboo, it takes a Herculean effort to get rid of it. And it
multiplies. There are some tenacious plants in the world that I would think
twice before introducing to my property. Bamboo is one of them.

Lynn A.

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May 8, 2002, 4:26:59 PM5/8/02
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JH wrote:


> Once you have bamboo, it takes a Herculean effort to get rid of it. And it
> multiplies. There are some tenacious plants in the world that I would think
> twice before introducing to my property. Bamboo is one of them.


Could I get a goat? :)
Honestly, if you'd see the last few feet of my backyard and
the fence, you'd see why I want something/anything to take over
back there. It's horrible. It makes everything else I do to the
yard look bad when you look past it and see that area. Nothing
but junk weeds grows there, it's too dry, rocky and dark.

Lynn


rangitotogirl

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May 8, 2002, 4:43:18 PM5/8/02
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>
>
> Goats get rid of honeysuckle?
>
> Can I borrow a goat for a week?!!!!
>
> Do they like bamboo, too? That's another problem we have.
>
> Drowning in honeysuckle up here,
> --

Goats eat just about anything including the clothes on your clothesline if
you're not careful and some of them are very good at jumping fences. We had
a couple when I was young.


Karina Sendt

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May 8, 2002, 7:27:11 PM5/8/02
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JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:

: Once you have bamboo, it takes a Herculean effort to get rid of it. And it


: multiplies. There are some tenacious plants in the world that I would think
: twice before introducing to my property. Bamboo is one of them.

There's two kinds-one which is OK and one which, as Jeanne says, is impossible
to get rid of unless you happen to have access to a panda or two. Guess
which kind we had growing up? :-> It lived through bushfires, cutting back,
herbicides, creosote...make sure you get the clumping kind.

Jan A. Cordes

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May 8, 2002, 8:42:37 PM5/8/02
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> Lynn

We have bamboo along one of our fence lines. It grows like crazy.
Drew thinned it back when we thought we were going to redo the fence
and it's already filled completely back in and grown even more. If
I could figure a way to send it to you when we do finally redo the
fence it would be all yours. Right now, it is providing some privacy
from our neighbors over our short fence.

Jan

JH

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May 9, 2002, 7:54:34 AM5/9/02
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JeanneP wrote:

It's not on my Toxic Plant Database. The only drawback to goats is that you
have to fence them in well. They are escape artists and simply chaining them
like a dog does nothing to protect them from dog attack. Goats will strip the
bark off of trees if there is no more browse to eat, too.

Hillary Israeli

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May 9, 2002, 9:05:56 AM5/9/02
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In <3CDA637A...@thinds.com>,
JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:

*It's not on my Toxic Plant Database. The only drawback to goats is that you
*have to fence them in well. They are escape artists and simply chaining them

Yeah, and your fence supports, if present, have to be on the outside of
the fence or else the goat will climb up them and over the fence :). I've
also been informed that goats ignore those "invisible fence" shock collars
that people use on dogs (i'm not a fan of those in any case, but fwiw.)

Lynn A.

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May 9, 2002, 10:30:13 AM5/9/02
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Karina Sendt wrote:


> There's two kinds-one which is OK and one which, as Jeanne says, is impossible
> to get rid of unless you happen to have access to a panda or two. Guess
> which kind we had growing up? :-> It lived through bushfires, cutting back,
> herbicides, creosote...make sure you get the clumping kind.


Thanks Karina, I'm taking notes here!

Lynn

Lynn A.

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May 9, 2002, 10:33:04 AM5/9/02
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Jan A. Cordes wrote:


> We have bamboo along one of our fence lines. It grows like crazy.
> Drew thinned it back when we thought we were going to redo the fence
> and it's already filled completely back in and grown even more. If
> I could figure a way to send it to you when we do finally redo the
> fence it would be all yours. Right now, it is providing some privacy
> from our neighbors over our short fence.


That'd be fun, getting bamboo in the mail! <LOL> I take
it it multiplies by runners and not seed?

Lynn


JH

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May 9, 2002, 4:40:31 PM5/9/02
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Hillary Israeli wrote:

> In <3CDA637A...@thinds.com>,
> JH <bas...@thinds.com> wrote:
>
> *It's not on my Toxic Plant Database. The only drawback to goats is that you
> *have to fence them in well. They are escape artists and simply chaining them
>
> Yeah, and your fence supports, if present, have to be on the outside of
> the fence or else the goat will climb up them and over the fence :). I've
> also been informed that goats ignore those "invisible fence" shock collars
> that people use on dogs (i'm not a fan of those in any case, but fwiw.)
>

Mine can squeeze through a four inch opening and one of our milking does can and
does leap over the 3 foot high portable electric mesh fence rubbing her udder over
it in the process. It doesn't stop her.

Jan A. Cordes

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May 9, 2002, 4:47:56 PM5/9/02
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> Lynn

I hope someone can answer this for you because I have no idea. I'm
the biggest non-gardener on the planet.

JeanneP

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May 10, 2002, 12:47:19 PM5/10/02
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"Lynn A." wrote:
>
> That'd be fun, getting bamboo in the mail! <LOL> I take
> it it multiplies by runners and not seed?

I don't know for sure, but I'd assume that's correct. I think bamboo
doesn't flower until the end of it's life, which is about 8 years or
so, depending on the species. And it doesn't take 8 years to spread.

Jeanne P

rangitotogirl

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May 11, 2002, 9:32:45 PM5/11/02
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> >There's two kinds-one which is OK and one which, as Jeanne says, is
impossible
> >to get rid of unless you happen to have access to a panda or two. Guess
> >which kind we had growing up? :-> It lived through bushfires, cutting
back,
> >herbicides, creosote...make sure you get the clumping kind.
>
> We had that one (I think everyone in Australasia does!)

We don't, thank goodness. My parents had a patch of it when I was growing
up


rangitotogirl

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May 11, 2002, 9:34:06 PM5/11/02
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> There's two kinds-one which is OK and one which, as Jeanne says, is
impossible
> to get rid of unless you happen to have access to a panda or two. Guess
> which kind we had growing up? :-> It lived through bushfires, cutting
back,
> herbicides, creosote...make sure you get the clumping kind.

Do you have a local zoo with pandas in it. When my parents want to cut back
their bamboo they contact the zoo and the zoo sends someone around to pick
it up?


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