Farewell to my shell account
David Arnstein
nostalgia. I still can't believe that it is going away.
Sorry for the off-topic post. It means a lot to me, anyway.
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Steve Rubin
Yikes...
I was THE support guy for shells back when netcom first got started, my
first job in the biz.
The end of an era....
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David Kaye
" The end of an era....
Almost, but not quite. I moved over to area.com in order to keep shell
service. And when I spoke with them I asked specifically if they planned
to keep it. The answer was yes.
But, as for the era of Unix do-it-yourselfers, yes, that era is fading
fast.
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Howard S Shubs
wrote:
>One last post from my beloved netcom shell account, for the sake of
>nostalgia. I still can't believe that it is going away.
And the IXers finally take over. <sigh>
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Wolfgang Henke
: In article <8r6m9f$4es$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>,
: David Arnstein <arnstei...@pobox.com> wrote:
: >One last post from my beloved netcom shell account, for the sake of
: Yikes...
: I was THE support guy for shells back when netcom first got started, my
: first job in the biz.
Sweet memories! And I'd email you FAQ suggestions to get free service.
And Digicom Scout Plus modems are still my favorites. :-)
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Brett Frankenberger
Howard S Shubs <hsh...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>In article <8r6m9f$4es$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, arnstei...@pobox.com
>wrote:
>
>>One last post from my beloved netcom shell account, for the sake of
>>nostalgia. I still can't believe that it is going away.
>
Yeah, but it's too late ... they won't get netcom.general ...
-- Brett
Philip Stripling
> One last post from my beloved netcom shell account, for the sake of
> nostalgia. I still can't believe that it is going away.
Shell accounts are still available, you know. I'm answering this from one
at tsoft.com, running on FreeBSD.
>
> Sorry for the off-topic post. It means a lot to me, anyway.
I'm sure it's well-intentioned. :->
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Wolfgang Henke <wolf...@whnet.com> wrote:
>
>
>Sweet memories! And I'd email you FAQ suggestions to get free service.
>And Digicom Scout Plus modems are still my favorites. :-)
>
Heh, yup I remember that. Does anyone have a copy of those old FAQ
entries? :)
Bob O`Brien
>In article <8r6m9f$4es$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, arnstei...@pobox.com
>wrote:
>
>>nostalgia. I still can't believe that it is going away.
>
I don't think many ever doubted the inevitabilty of that.
Personally, I gave up almost two years ago, and I want to offer
my congratulations, and condolences, to the long-suffering few
who held out this long.
Bob O`Bob
<obr...@netcom.com> R.I.P.
Bob Becker
> Personally, I gave up almost two years ago, and I want to offer
> my congratulations, and condolences, to the long-suffering few
> who held out this long.
> Bob O`Bob
> <obr...@netcom.com> R.I.P.
I also gave up
b...@netcom.com
about two years ago.
That was a tough one.
Jan A. Cordes
> Personally, I gave up almost two years ago, and I want to offer
> my congratulations, and condolences, to the long-suffering few
> who held out this long.
>
> Bob O`Bob
> <obr...@netcom.com> R.I.P.
I held out. I had my netcom account (j...@netcom.com) from shortly
after my first ba.singles boink (Valentine's Day at the Tied House)
umpteen years ago until 23:59pm on 9/30/00.
Jan
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Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
east.usenetserver.com>:
>I also gave up
>b...@netcom.com
I will never give up b...@netcom.com
So what ever happened to the guy who spammed us all, who was trying to buy
the netcom.com domain, to keep the shell accounts going?
Anne
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[in reference to Bob Becker]:
> I will never give up b...@netcom.com
Hi, Anne! So glad to have found you again.
Now I see one reason you've been quieter than usual:
> William - 4/11/98
And hard to believe your daughter's 22 now! I was just in
the neighborhood but didn't have contact info for you.
Am now back in Germany.
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writes...
> Steve Rubin (s...@soapbox.tch.org) wrote:
> : In article <8r6m9f$4es$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>,
> : >One last post from my beloved netcom shell account, for the sake of
>
> : I was THE support guy for shells back when netcom first got started, my
> : first job in the biz.
>
>
> And Digicom Scout Plus modems are still my favorites. :-)
>
Kewl. Well I was p...@netcom.com back then, as you know. But
Compucom Speedmodems, even if they were still around, aren't
my favorites these days. (whew) The fact that the Courier is
now owned by some cheesy Taiwanese company that specializes
in $39 ethernet hubs is a little depressing though..
(Speaking of memories, I was walking down San Pablo Blvd.
in El Cerrito last night with a friend, spotted a funky
used furniture store with their BBS number silkscreened
on their door..)
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Ciccio
> I also gave up
> b...@netcom.com
> about two years ago.
> That was a tough one.
I dumped Netcom about the same time. Netcom got wayyyyyyy too much attidude for
me. Though I did go get another shell account. No way I was going to let all
that Unix stuff I had to learn go to waste.
Ciccio
Jan A. Cordes
> So what ever happened to the guy who spammed us all, who was trying to buy
> the netcom.com domain, to keep the shell accounts going?
Apparently, several people signed up with his service. He appears in
alt.netcom.emeritus now and then.
Eric Lubjek
Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. <shed...@stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
>
>So what ever happened to the guy who spammed us all, who was trying to buy
>the netcom.com domain, to keep the shell accounts going?
That 'guy' is me. Even though I had a few Netcom/MindSpring/Earthlink
rooting for me, in the end N/M/E basically said 'no way'.
But they did agree to extend email forwarding until 12/31/2001
as a result of all the user feedback that they got.
And my site is olagrande.net, if you're interested. :-/
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> That 'guy' is me. Even though I had a few Netcom/MindSpring/Earthlink
> rooting for me, in the end N/M/E basically said 'no way'.
I thought your name was Bruce?????
Melissa
Tes...@netcom.com
Class of '94
Eric Lubjek
Melissa Paul <tes...@io.com> wrote:
>In alt.netcom.emeritus Eric Lubjek <lub...@jump.net> wrote:
>> That 'guy' is me. Even though I had a few Netcom/MindSpring/Earthlink
>> rooting for me, in the end N/M/E basically said 'no way'.
>
>I thought your name was Bruce?????
Ugh. I wasn't paying attention. Eric Lubjek is an 'alias'
that I have at a web site I run called PlaceBase. It's a
totally unrelated site devoted to 360-degree photography.
(You can check it out at www.placebase.com, if you're just
burning with curiosity.) The web site never took off,
but I kept the shell account.
But the alias is like this:
E r i c L u b j e k
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
6 1 5 3 0 7 2 4 8 9
B r u c e J i l e k
I guess that alias is worthless now. :-)
Greg Andrews
>
>But the alias is like this:
>
>E r i c L u b j e k
>0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
>
>6 1 5 3 0 7 2 4 8 9
>B r u c e J i l e k
>
>I guess that alias is worthless now. :-)
>
The word you're searching for is "anagram". ;-)
-Greg
Melissa Paul
> Ugh. I wasn't paying attention. Eric Lubjek is an 'alias'
> that I have at a web site I run called PlaceBase. It's a
> totally unrelated site devoted to 360-degree photography.
Photography huh? I don't advise you to pull an Earthlink and send me
advertising on an el cheapo camera.;)
Eric Lubjek
It was a once in a life-time mistake. I promise. :-)
The PlaceBase site doesn't sell anything anyway, it was
more of a 'special interest' thingie.
Howard S Shubs
Paul <tes...@io.com> wrote:
>In alt.netcom.emeritus Eric Lubjek <lub...@jump.net> wrote:
>> That 'guy' is me. Even though I had a few Netcom/MindSpring/Earthlink
>> rooting for me, in the end N/M/E basically said 'no way'.
>
>I thought your name was Bruce?????
No, that's his owner, who calls all his pets "Eric".
Merlin Dorfman
: In ba.singles Bob O`Brien <ob...@best.com> wrote:
: > Personally, I gave up almost two years ago, and I want to offer
: > my congratulations, and condolences, to the long-suffering few
: > who held out this long.
: >
: > Bob O`Bob
: > <obr...@netcom.com> R.I.P.
: I held out. I had my netcom account (j...@netcom.com) from shortly
: after my first ba.singles boink (Valentine's Day at the Tied House)
: umpteen years ago until 23:59pm on 9/30/00.
I had my Netcom shell account for almost 10 years: February
1991 to September 2000. I got the account when Netcom's founder,
Bob Rieger, still had hs day job at Lockheed in Sunnyvale and
waived the setup fee for other Lockheed employees.
Merlin Dorfman
DOR...@COMPUTER.ORG
Bob O`Brien
>
> I had my Netcom shell account for almost 10 years: February
>1991 to September 2000. I got the account when Netcom's founder,
>Bob Rieger, still had hs day job at Lockheed in Sunnyvale and
>waived the setup fee for other Lockheed employees.
A bit over a year later, that offer was still open.
Bob O`Bob
Kenn Barry
Bob Becker <b...@becker.org> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I gave up almost two years ago, and I want to offer
>> my congratulations, and condolences, to the long-suffering few
>> who held out this long.
>> Bob O`Bob
>> <obr...@netcom.com> R.I.P.
>
Just lost my netcom shell, too, but I didn't need it
any more. Speaking of "lost", where ya been, Becker? Nice to
see you posting again.
Kayembee
pa...@anastrophe.com
> But, as for the era of Unix do-it-yourselfers, yes, that era is fading
> fast.
Actually, I think it's quite the opposite. The fall of the ISP shell
account has been met by the rise of the personal shell account --
running your own UNIXly server/workstation. With the proliferation of
the many linuces, the open/free/netBSD's, (and a nod to Sun's 'free'
distribution of Solaris), anybody can be a unix do-it-yourselfer, and
be root, to boot (pun intended). As broadband access to the net
continues to spread, the advantages found in having a shell account at
the ISP become trivial.
I'd say the era of the unix do-it-yourselfer is thriving.
(former netcom shell, former crl shell. current well.com shell, and -
obviously if you grok my sig - shells all over hell-and-gone at
home and work around the country).
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Aahz Maruch
>In ba.internet David Kaye <d...@removethis.area.com> wrote:
>>
>> But, as for the era of Unix do-it-yourselfers, yes, that era is fading
>> fast.
>
>Actually, I think it's quite the opposite. The fall of the ISP shell
>account has been met by the rise of the personal shell account --
>running your own UNIXly server/workstation. With the proliferation of
>the many linuces, the open/free/netBSD's, (and a nod to Sun's 'free'
>distribution of Solaris), anybody can be a unix do-it-yourselfer, and
>be root, to boot (pun intended). As broadband access to the net
>continues to spread, the advantages found in having a shell account at
>the ISP become trivial.
Quite the contrary, IMO. As security issues continue to proliferate,
among other reasons, shell-inclined people like me will be more and more
interested in paying someone else to do the sysadmin work. It's much
more cost-effective to telnet to a professionally-administered remote
shell than to pay someone to remotely administer a local shell.
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Kenneth Crudup
>I'd say the era of the unix do-it-yourselfer is thriving.
What He Said. Although I still ssh in to get my mail from Panix, and read
their local groups, there's no reason why I couldn't do any of that from
my cablemodem-connected Linux machines here at Chez Kenny.
-Kenny
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David Kaye
" [....] As broadband access to the net
" continues to spread, the advantages found in having a shell account at
" the ISP become trivial.
Not trivial to me. The advantages of ISP shell for me are that both my
mail and my news are centralized so that wherever in the workd I log on I
can see exactly the same thing; nothing to carry around, nothing to synch.
Now, if Yahoo offered news as well as mail -- and offered news in as nifty
a way as Tin does, I'd be tempted to want to ditch my ISP's shell, since
there are lots of Windows Unix clients that work better than their Unix
shell counterparts.
And I'm not about to use the mess that Deja.com has become. I find them
impossible to navigate and they don't have all the newsgroups I want.
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mag...@rahul.net
(Aahz Maruch) put fingers to keyboard and typed:
>Quite the contrary, IMO. As security issues continue to proliferate,
^^^^^^^^
>among other reasons, shell-inclined people like me will be more and more
>interested in paying someone else to do the sysadmin work. It's much
>more cost-effective to telnet to a professionally-administered remote
^^^^^^
I think you mipsled SSH.
>shell than to pay someone to remotely administer a local shell.
jc
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Aahz Maruch
<mag...@rahul.net> wrote:
>On 3 Oct 2000 12:47:17 -0700, in ba.internet, aa...@panix.com
>(Aahz Maruch) put fingers to keyboard and typed:
>
>>Quite the contrary, IMO. As security issues continue to proliferate,
> ^^^^^^^^
>>among other reasons, shell-inclined people like me will be more and more
>>interested in paying someone else to do the sysadmin work. It's much
>>more cost-effective to telnet to a professionally-administered remote
> ^^^^^^
>I think you mipsled SSH.
<smirk> I was wondering if someone would pick up on that. For
starters, I consider "telnet" a generic, like "CGI". [*] More to the
point, I don't consider ssh to be a better security risk than telnet
unless one has confidence in the security of the end points but not the
intervening network.
[*] Ha, ha, ha. Didja start foaming at the mouth? ;-)
Bob R. Kenyon
O`Brien) wrote:
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there, but then I'd have to kill ya.
I still have my rahul.net account, since August 1993. Come on down, the
water's fine.
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Bob Becker
"Kenn Barry" <ba...@aster.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:8rd2ls$ag1$4...@numbers.wetware.com...
> Just lost my netcom shell, too, but I didn't need it
> any more. Speaking of "lost", where ya been, Becker?
Maine. Got married, left the Bay Area.
My sweetie and I rode our bicycles from Santa Cruz
to Portland, Maine and just decided to stay here.
No traffic. No noise. All we hear out here in the woods are crickets.
> Nice to see you posting again.
I'm not. Just got curious.
ba.singles has really gone downhill.
Sad.
Aahz Maruch
Tony Miller <cl0...@flame.org> wrote:
>On 03 Oct 2000 23:03:56 GMT,
> mag...@rahul.net <mag...@rahul.net> wrote:
>>On 3 Oct 2000 12:47:17 -0700, in ba.internet, aa...@panix.com
>>(Aahz Maruch) put fingers to keyboard and typed:
>>
>>>Quite the contrary, IMO. As security issues continue to proliferate,
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>>>among other reasons, shell-inclined people like me will be more and more
>>>interested in paying someone else to do the sysadmin work. It's much
>>>more cost-effective to telnet to a professionally-administered remote
>> ^^^^^^
>>I think you mipsled SSH.
>
JC did that deliberately, because otherwise zie would have misspelled
something else. ;-) (It's an axiom that all speling falmes will
contain a typo.)
Tony Miller
mag...@rahul.net <mag...@rahul.net> wrote:
>On 3 Oct 2000 12:47:17 -0700, in ba.internet, aa...@panix.com
>(Aahz Maruch) put fingers to keyboard and typed:
>
>>Quite the contrary, IMO. As security issues continue to proliferate,
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>>among other reasons, shell-inclined people like me will be more and more
>>interested in paying someone else to do the sysadmin work. It's much
>>more cost-effective to telnet to a professionally-administered remote
> ^^^^^^
>I think you mipsled SSH.
I think you misspelled misspelled. ;)
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Kenneth Crudup
David Kaye <d...@removethis.area.com> says:
>Not trivial to me. The advantages of ISP shell for me are that both my
>mail and my news are centralized so that wherever in the workd I log on I
>can see exactly the same thing; nothing to carry around, nothing to synch.
Well, what *I* did was set up an ssh account on my machine, and I read news
on a "trn" from a shell I have here. This way, no matter where I am, I
still read my news in the same place.
This is the real advantage of a home shell account.
Kenneth Crudup
>(It's an axiom that all speling falmes will contain a typo.)
Oh- all this time I'd written 'msilepled" or similar when correcting someone
else 'cause I was being a smartass. Nice to know there's Usenet history behind
it, too!
Ron Drake
> I also gave up
> b...@netcom.com
> about two years ago.
> That was a tough one.
Yes, but you give becker.org such cachet. You and Deb keep each other
warm and remember: those moose bites can be nasty...
--Ron
Karen Anderson O'Mara
> Maine. Got married, left the Bay Area.
> My sweetie and I rode our bicycles from Santa Cruz
> to Portland, Maine and just decided to stay here.
After all that pedaling, I'd be too tired to make the return trip, too!
>
> No traffic. No noise. All we hear out here in the woods are crickets.
>
> > Nice to see you posting again.
>
> I'm not. Just got curious.
> ba.singles has really gone downhill.
> Sad.
No, that's sad!
Karen
Paul Kienitz
My God, I didn't realize it COULD go any further downhill.
Greg Skinner
Philip Stripling <phil_st...@cieux.zzn.com> wrote:
>Shell accounts are still available, you know. I'm answering this from one
>at tsoft.com, running on FreeBSD.
I'm still using a shell account from here (best.com). I had a netcom
shell account back in 1994, but I switched to best about a year after
because they started paying less attention to shell customers and more
to ixers.
--gregbo
gds at best.com
Philip J. Koenig
writes...
> > ba.singles has really gone downhill.
>
> My God, I didn't realize it COULD go any further downhill.
I'm glad that my once every couple of years forays in there
were adequate to come to the same conclusion that others
have apparently come to. Sort-of like a metaphor for what's
wrong with Usenet these days in general. (I almost never
venture out of ba.internet these days because most groups
are infuriating as all get-out.)
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I did not realize best still ofered shell accounts. Are they atking new
subscribers?
Drew Lawson
I don't think they are offering new accounts, at least they shouldn't
be. Verio is in a perpetually delayed process of shutting down
the Best shell machines.
The Best mailing list machine just died and will not be repaired.
The news server is doing well (after dying), but indicators are
that it won't be maintained if it has problems.
But, yeah, the shell accounts are still there. I have two of them,
at least until I find the time to move the web sites.
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Bob O`Brien
>
>I did not realize best still ofered shell accounts. Are they atking new
>subscribers?
I very much doubt it.
Would recommend against it, anyway.
Despite the headers you may see here and there, best does not exist.
It was borged quite some time ago, and the final remnants are
probably getting swept under various Verio carpets as I type.
I just use it in news headers because it's still deliverable
and I have it heavily filtered.
Bob O`Bob
Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
Bayarea.net still offers shell accounts.
Bob R. Kenyon
> (I almost never venture out of ba.internet these days because most
> groups are infuriating as all get-out.)
Like ba.internet isn't?
Dave Metzger
Drew Lawson <dr...@furrfu.com> wrote:
>
>I don't think they are offering new accounts, at least they shouldn't
>be. Verio is in a perpetually delayed process of shutting down
>the Best shell machines.
I only know what I read in Best/Verio/NTT's internal newsgroups.
My understanding is that the current shell accounts will be migrated to a
virtual server configuration, a` la iServer.com. So there will still
be shell access. It is yet unclear what, if any, restrictions will be
present on the shell access.
>The Best mailing list machine just died and will not be repaired.
Lastest news is that BestServ is coming back.
>The news server is doing well (after dying), but indicators are
>that it won't be maintained if it has problems.
I though it was to be maintained at _least_ for the internal best.*
groups, but users would eventually need to use one of several Verio
servers for external groups.
>But, yeah, the shell accounts are still there. I have two of them,
>at least until I find the time to move the web sites.
Yeah, only two things keeping me there now, inertia and curiosity
as to how well the new virtual server accounts will perform.
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|
| It was borged quite some time ago, and the final remnants are
| probably getting swept under various Verio carpets as I type.
More likely, under NTT Tami-Tami mats, these days ... :-) ...
/kim
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mri...@my-deja.com
use.address.i...@no.spam.metzger.vip.best.com (Dave Metzger)
wrote:
> Yeah, only two things keeping me there now, inertia and curiosity
> as to how well the new virtual server accounts will perform.
I'm afraid that intertia is the only one of those that applies to me.
I've seen the writing on the wall. Best/Verio will fall over hard as
far as I'm concerned far sooner than I'd like.
But the biggest thing keeping me from just moving - so far - is where I
live. No high-speed, always on, static IP access in my area short of an
$800/month T1 line. They keep telling me it's coming Real Soon Now.
Yep. Uh-huh.
I'm seriously considering a plan-B that would really annoy David. The
problem is it would also annoy me.
If it were just reading news and mail, it would be *easy*...
--
Michael Riehle http://www.mriehle.com
http://www.allnightmusic.com
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Ciccio
> ba.singles has really gone downhill.
> Sad.
Indeed it is sad. But let's face it, the roll downhill started when Dave Berg
left the group.
Ciccio
Philip J. Koenig
Kenyon) writes...
> In article <MPG.14453b99c...@207.126.101.100>,
> See_email_@ddress_below.This_one_is.invalid (Philip J. Koenig) wrote:
>
> > (I almost never venture out of ba.internet these days because most
> > groups are infuriating as all get-out.)
>
> Like ba.internet isn't?
Believe it or not, I think it's actually better than most.
Generally speaking, I've retreated to mostly mailing lists
if I want to get any real useful dialogue or information.
(Although being able to search the entire Usenet hierarchy
via Deja.com, can be an invaluable source of very recent
information, ie discussion of recent news items, that the
web search engines can't begin to compete with.)
Karen Anderson O'Mara
> Indeed it is sad. But let's face it, the roll downhill started when Dave Berg
> left the group.
So, this Dave Berg guy was the first one to get a life?
Karen
Michael Snyder
>
> "Kenn Barry" <ba...@aster.pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:8rd2ls$ag1$4...@numbers.wetware.com...
> > Just lost my netcom shell, too, but I didn't need it
> > any more. Speaking of "lost", where ya been, Becker?
>
> My sweetie and I rode our bicycles from Santa Cruz
> to Portland, Maine and just decided to stay here.
>
> > Nice to see you posting again.
>
> I'm not. Just got curious.
> Sad.
Well, wha'dja expect? YOU LEFT!!!
You ABANDONED us! <sniff>