Shunning the false Guardian Betsy Ashby
josephclair
I'm new here no one knows me and no one has to listen to what I say
but I'm going to say it anyway.
I see Betsy Ashby Guardian doing a pretty good job of sucking energy
and spirit from the forum. shes got lots of anger and shes toxic
poison when she speaks here. I think she hates Indians not just those
she calls faux indians. She wants to be the one to choose whos an
Indians and whos not. Why does this nasty white woman get to do that?
Why does this white woman get to come here and say evil thingsa bout
old indian women? I don't care howmuch blood Nora has. No white person
gets to come into an indian community and attack people the way she
does. Its not right.
I think people should shun her. She doesn't give anything positive
here. She offers only bitterness and hate. I think she lies too. I
think people should stop responding to her posts. I think she likes
fighting and making trouble. I think she brings only sorrow.
Betsy Guardian called me a sockpuppet of Nora Runningwolf in another
thread and she'll probably say the same to this here. I may be new
here but Im not Nora and Ive never posted to this forum under any
other name. Its difficult to offer proof and Im really not going to
give Betsy any of my personal info because I see where that goes. So
people just have to judge the value of my words.
Guardian
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> Betsy Guardian called me a sockpuppet of Nora Runningwolf in another
> thread and she'll probably say the same to this here.
Yup...because you are either her, or her meatpuppet. You joined and
posted specifically to mislead people regarding the correct contact
information for Sal serbin's Tribe.
You did so to distract from Norah Runningwolf's LIES regarding Sal
Serbin....and herself
oldwifetale
They sound good to me (except the shunning part, i hardly ever do
that). I'm white, but can sometimes be found at alt.native talking to
myself about "people like her" (who needs a reason?), so welcome to
'here' josephclair. I don't care what NC Runningwolf's blood
percentages are either since in *reality* we are all 'here' with no
skinsuits. Makes it a little easier to see the heart of people, which
'should' be what matters - or so i often tell myself.
Hope
> On Jun 21, 2:06 pm, josephclair <josephcla...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Betsy Guardian called me a sockpuppet of Nora Runningwolf in another
> > thread and she'll probably say the same to this here.
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> Yup...because you are either her, or her meatpuppet.
Where's your proof? We know you don't make accusations about people
without checking it out. So you must have evidence that this is NOT a
new person who simply finds you objectionable enough to stop just
lurking and post for the first time. With all your technology, it
should be a simple thing to check out the ISP and show proof his posts
are coming from the same computer Nora's are.
If you aren't going to post that proof, then you need to stop stating
your biased opinion as fact.
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> You did so to distract from Norah Runningwolf's LIES regarding Sal
> Serbin....and herself
So you are psychic? "Impressive."
josephclair
The Faux Indian Hunter likes faux Indians just fine when they sell
teachings, ceremony and stuff at her new age gathering:
http://www.OutoftheDark.com/Gathering/
I guess its ok with her if its white people doing the selling. Look at
the pages with lists of some of the people she hires to teach at her
events. They are mostly white and a few mixed-blood people some
claiming to teach "shamanism" and "Native American spirituality".
Kinda strange I think.
Betsy Guardain claims to defend people from predators but defends the
predators she likes. Claims to protect people from faux Indians but
hires the ones she likes and makes money off them.
I see a false Guardian. A Guardian who thinks shes the exception to
her own rules. I call that hypocracy. I call that deceptive and
corrupt.
I also found a vendor's form. You have to pay $50 to vend at her
gathering: http://www.Pagan.com/FallGathering/Vendor.html
james
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Thank you, Mr Clair.
It is odd that those few of us. like me, who do know Ms RunningWolf in
"meatspace" as it seems to be called, or those who have a sense of
fairness, are
sock puppets" etc.
I do not have access to a computer very often.
I looked up your links.
I found this one rather odd, considering the hate spewed on this list
against an old woman who does not "sell Native spirituality", and has
stood against it.
"R.E.S.T.
Rapid Emergency Shelter Taskforce
There is a relatively small percentage of people in every religion who
worship hate. We who do not are among the REST."
No, this one spews hate from the core of her being.
She seems to worship hate, evil and that which is most vile.
Sizzle Flambé
> Why does this white woman get to come here and say evil things
> about old indian women?
Because they're not federally registered. Doesn't matter how much
"Indian blood" they have in them; as Monica says, Indian blood
"runs out". They could be full-blood -- but if they're not down in
ink on paper, they're not "real", they're "faux" to Betsy Ashby.
Likewise, any blonde-haired, blue-eyed descendants of adoptees,
with European DNA, who are on the tribal registers, are *REAL*
Indians by Betsy Ashby's rule; she'll fight for *their* rights!
"Real Indians have Treaties with the US government ...
Faux Indians don't. It is just that simple!"
-- <http://www.pagan.com/FauxIndians/>
"My purpose is the COMPLETE and TOTAL Annihilation
of EVERY Faux Indian I find.....ANYWHERE!"
-- <http://tinyurl.com/betsy-ashby-2>
As in <http://tinyurl.com/unrecognized-tribes>
See also <http://tinyurl.com/betsy-ashby-1>