White Eagle Woman is appearing in the New York and Vancouver areas this fall
dustywoman
I came across this on twitter:
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/09/107415.shtml
It confirms my suspicions that all those “well-intentioned white
seekers” are not really as benign as they seem. I’ve noticed a
tendency in the white feminist spirituality movement to embrace
elements of German mysticism (i.e. the Nazi occult) Atlantis,
numerology, astrology, ruins, apocalyptic prophesies nature worship
etc and insists that they are really “practicing native
spirituality.” I’ve also noticed a tendency among white seekers to
claim that they are re-incarnated Indians and that the time of the red
man has passed and the white man is destined to take over our
spiritual roles. Claiming to “need” to “practice” our ways because of
a dissatisfaction with patriarchal religion doesn’t ring true with me
anymore now that I see more and more white feminists blindly repeating
certain “prophesies” that claim the “white race’s” karma is to replace
the older, obsolete “red race.” In my experience, white seekers are
becoming more and more unconcerned with real Native people and our
real living conditions and more concerned with re-writing history
replacing us in a mystical fantasy world that exists only in their
heads where they assume the role of spiritual leaders. There is a
growing tendency to ignore real living Indians and an insistence on
stealing our ceremonial artifacts and symbols and using them
insensitively and inaccurately in whatever ritual suits their narrow
political agendas. I have recently met a lot of white feminists who
insist that they are the “true Indians” reincarnated from the good
Indians of old who were slaughtered by settlers and all modern Indians
are living in poverty because they are the re-incarnated “white
settlers” who are paying for stealing Indian land in a past life. It’s
hard to reason with such a backwards understanding of reality, but
women are paying a lot of money to frauds like white eagle woman to
promote these theories that switch the cowgirls and the Indians
identities around and make them feel less guilty living in their
privileged white skins. From what I’ve heard, this is what White Ego
Woman’s cult is all about, not love and peace and healing the world by
getting all the water to vibrate on a happier level.
I remember hearing a radio interview a while back, where some woo woo
fraud talked about the “light race” and how it was destined to lead
the other races by virtue of being on a “higher vibrational plane.”
If you substitute “light” for Aryan and “more evolved” and “higher
vibrational plane” for master race in her spiel, you can see where she
is really coming from. From what I’ve read on the internet, White
Eagle woman is getting rich by selling the same line of bull. It took
me a long time to wake up to the real intent of new age cultural
appropriators – not to become better people or to learn about who we
really are, but to replace us, the inferior “red race”, with the new
master race of “ascended” white masters. It turns out the new age
isn’t really new at all. It’s just the same old white supremacist
Christianity, re-packaged for those who don’t recognize a pig in a
poke.
I’m reproducing the entire article here with the author’s permission.
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/09/107415.shtml
White Eagle Woman Evokes Anger and Outrage from First Nations People
The Grandmother Drum Project is universally denounced as fraudulent by
First Nations Groups
By Lisa Hill
First Nations groups are once again outraged that the controversial
Rachel Holzwarth, aka Suraj Holzwarth aka Rachel Holzworth aka White
Eagle Woman of the whirling Rainbow Foundation will be appearing in
the Northeastern United States with her Grandmother Drum Project.
Keywords:
White Eagle Woman is tentatively scheduled to be appearing on
September 22, 2009, to speak to the members of the LI Reiki group at
the Levittown Hall 203 Levittown Pkwy in Hicksville, New York.
Holzworth will be speaking about her documentary film/drumming and
singing session presented by Marjorie Harriz, RMT and Karin
Tamborello,RMT. Holzwoth will also be appearing October 16, 2009
(7pm-10pm), at Wantagh Memorial Congregational Church 1845 Wantagh
Avenue, Wantagh, NY 11793 and again on October 17, 2009
(10:30am-6:30pm), at Merrick Golf Course Clubhouse 2550 Clubhouse Road
Merrick, NY 11566.
Holzworth has been universally denounced as a fraud throughout Indian
Country and Holzworth’s “Prayerformances” have drawn several angry
protests from First Nations groups across North America. The
controversy surrounding her Grandmother Drum project has done
something remarkable in Indian Country – to unite diverse Native
peoples against a common enemy – those who shamelessly exploit their
ceremonies and culture for profit.
The basic objection to Holworth’s “Prayerformances” by First Nations
people is that she is misrepresenting herself as a Seneca Nation
member by dressing in traditional Plains women’s regalia; she has been
in illegal possession of protected eagle feathers; she is
disrespecting the native style drum by putting human blood on it and
carrying human ashes in it; she is misusing sacred herbs by using
sage, cedar, tobacco and sweetgrass in a manner that is offensive and
violates traditional protocol; she is misguiding people who have a
sincere desire to learn about Indigenous spiritual beliefs, and she is
making an exobitant profit by selling a distorted and twisted version
of Theosophical and Anthosophical beliefs as if they were legitimate
Indigenous beliefs.
RACISM MIXED WITH NEW AGE POP CULTURE
First Nation’s groups object strongly to Holzworth’s mixture of
numerology, apocolyptical Christianity and Anthrosophy as well as her
attribution of her knoweldge to an ascended master Metatron and
various archangels. (Metatron (Hebrew מטטרון or מיטטרון), is the name
of an angel in Judaism and some branches of Christianity and Islam.
There are no references to him in the Jewish Tanakh (Old Testament).
First Nation’s groups are enraged that Holzworth is selling a mixture
of Christianity with New Age practices as authentic Native American
spiritual practices.
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/online%20language.htm
First Nation’s people also object to Holzworth on the basis that her
Anthophosical teachings based on the works of Rudolph Steiner and are
racist. Holzwoth’s teachings that deal with indigenous people are
taken almost verbatim from Steiner’s writings on race. Both categorize
all of humanity into 4 races; red, white, yellow and black. Both
describe the “red race” as “ancient” and destined to be replaced by
the “white race”. Aspects of Steiner’s racist teachings are still
found in the Waldorph schools today and these teachings in a
modernized form and can be found throughout Holzworth’s teachings and
the teachings of those she associates with.
Rudolf Steiner’s statements about the differences between various
human races have long been labeled as racist by various groups.
Steiner therorizes that :
“On one side we find the black race, which is earthly at most. If it
moves to the West, it becomes extinct. We also have the yellow race,
which is in the middle between earth and the cosmos. If it moves to
the East, it becomes brown, attaches itself too much to the cosmos,
and becomes extinct. The white race is the future, the race that is
creating spirit.”
Rudolf Steiner, The Being of Man and His Future (Rudolf Steiner Press,
1981), pp. 118-119.
A common theme of Holzwoth’s talks is the need for the human race to
“evolve” to a higher state of vibration and the belief that it is
inevitable for the ancient “red race” to go extinct so that the more
spiritually evolved “white race” can fulfill its destiny to replace
the “red Indian of old.” Holzwoth has made no secret of her opinion of
modern First Nations people as a degenerate race who have no
spirituality because their karma is to live in poverty and
alcoholism.
Steiner and Holzworth both find what they call “the red race” to be
lacking. Steiner considered First Nations people to be connected with
“the forces that have a lot to do with human extinction.” Both
Steinier and Holzwoth describe contemporary First Nations people as “a
degenerated human race” which was the reason why they had succumbed to
such a degree. Her teachings are filled with the concept of the more
deserving “White Race” evolving spiritually to a higher frequency take
the place of the degenerate, corrupt, drunken “Red Race” who exists at
a lower frequency than the “White Race” and whose karma is
extinction.
Steiner stated that “It isn’t because of the whims of the Europeans
that the Indian population has died out, but because of the Indian
population had to acquire those forces that led it to die out.”
Steiner Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, s. 4:9.
The statements that Holzworth has made in her talks about the Whirling
Rainbow prophesy and her public statements about drunken, deranged
Native Americans who object to her teachings are virtually identical
to Steiner’s views about race.
Why First Nations People Feel Their Drum has been so disrespected
Many first Nations members have been very outspoken about why
Holzwoth’s seven foot drum is an affront to their Nations. The
existence of the drum itself is considered sacreligious to most first
nation’s people for several reasons. First, because it allegedly
contains human remains. Holzworth claims to be carrying the ashes of
ashes of a former Grandmother Drum project member, Amrahla North,
inside her seven foot drum.
http://www.echo.net.au/archives/18_08-06.html&query=
In nearly all First Nation’s cultures, the drum is given the respect
afforded an elder. It is treated as if it were an honored person. By
turning the drum into a receptacle for cremated human remains Holzwoth
is disrespecting both the drum and the dead.
Adding the blood of a First Nation’s man without his consent is a
further affront to their sensibilities. Most First Nation’s people
agree that this act of sacrilege makes this drum something that needs
to be destroyed ceremonially.
First Nations people are upset that the drum is being referred to as
“Grandmother”. Most have explained that it is not their protocol to
refer to a large drum as “Grandmother”, but it should be referred to
as “Grandfather.” In most First Nation’s traditions, large drums are
used only by men because we believe women are too powerful to use a
large drum. Women traditionally use hand drums or stand around the
outside of the drum. First Nations people insist that this is NOT a
sexist practice, but a protocol that is willfully misunderstood by
most spiritual feminists for political reasons.
It is a First Nation’s tradition to take a drum away from a person who
has mistreated it. A drum can be taken away from treating it casually,
for not following protocol faithfully or for singing special
ceremonial songs outside of the ceremony that for which it was
intended.
Ever since the spring of 2008, First Nations people have organized
protests to expose Holzworth as a fraud and an exploiter of Indigenous
religion.
Timeline for the protests:
MASSACHUSETTES: When Holzworth performed in Weymouth, Massachusetts on
April 4, 2008, members of the Wampanoag tribe and their supporters
protested the event.
Police charged Hartman Deetz, 31, of Mashpee and Dylan Lach, 22 of
Sagamore with assault and battery on a police officer, trespassing,
and disorderly conduct in connection with the saga that began at about
9:20 p.m.
Hartman Deetz, Dylan Lach were involved in a struggle with Officer
Rick Fuller. Deetz was charged with attempting to commit a crime by
trying to damage the drum. Nicole Lach, 21 of Bourne and Melanie
Deetz, 29 of Mashpee were charged with trespassing and disorderly
conduct for disrupting the ceremony and refusing to leave the school
when Officer Patricia Critch ordered them to do so.
All of the individuals charged pleaded innocent in Quincy District
Court on April 7, 2008. They were released on their personal
recognizance with a promise to appear for a pre-trial hearing on June
6.
Holzworth lied to the officers and told them she smelled of alcohol
and marijuana on the breath of the protesters. This was later found to
be a fabrication on Holzwoth’s part.
A security guard pepper sprayed and injured Hartman Deetz, a Wampanoag
tribal member, when he was attempting to exercise his first amendment
rights to protest what he believed to be sacrilege. He was injured by
a police officer, pepper-sprayed and arrested. In an act of conquest
and sacrilege, Holworth put her hand in Hartman Deetz’s blood without
his consent and rubbed his blood on a drum she knew he considered to
be an offense to his people.
OHIO: In April of 2008, the president and co-founder of the Great
Lakes Indian center shut down Holzworth’s public performances in all
of Ohio.
MICHIGAN: On May 4, 2008, First Nation’s members of the Ojibwe tribe
staged a protest at the Center of Light in Troy, Michigan. Craig Tabor
of Department of Fisheries and Wildlife became involved when they
received numerous requests to investigate Holzworth for for illegal
possession of Golden Eagle and Hawk feathers. The fact that Fish and
Wildlife were able to remove eagle feathers from her possession proves
that she has no indigenous ancestry.
Detail of the protest have been posted on YouTube:
White Ego Woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtJYR-neIY
White Ego Woman 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oIZfiVh9Ss
COLORADO: Holzworth appeared at the Gathering of One: Global Eden 2008
event in inYellowstone MTon June 17th – 22nd, 2008. Holzworth tried to
sell “prayer bundles” allegedly to defray the costs of several Hopi
Elders who are traveling to the event. No Hopi elders were invited or
planned to attend the event. First Nation’s people that the Gathering
purported to be about Native American spiritual beliefs, yet brought
in well known Native American frauds to speak about New Age concepts
such as the pole shift, channeled information from the Andromedas and
conspiracy theories about aliens controlling the weather and leaving
magnetic crop circles in corn fields.
A Tucson group, Do No Harm, threatened to protest what they called the
numerous frauds appearing with Holzworth at the Gathering of One. They
managed to convince the organizers of the Gathering of One that nearly
all of the supposed Indigenous elders were really Non-Indians engaged
in fraud. The one legitimate Indigenous leader who did attend the
event, Don Alejandro Oxlaj, Grand Elder of the Mayan People, chastised
the group’s sponsors for spreading the fabrications of Jose Aquelles
Dreamspell calendar which have been denounced by legitimate Mayan
elders and scholars.
He can be seen here on Google saying much of the same things that he
said at the Gathering of One.
Mayan Elder Don Alejandro Speaks About the Dreamspell Calendar
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6924783997124351408&ei=uPG2St6-BYiKqQPB-JiLAg&q=Mayan+elder&hl=en#
HAWAII: June 21, 2009. First Nations people using the internet
persuaded Bill Miller to cancel his performance at the LIVE H2O--
Concert for the Living Water. Various First Nations people made
negative comments about the promotional video and questioned how
Hawaiian elders were tricked into appearing to support Holzworth.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=623913583519703344#
Holzworth’s Many False Representations
As of today, no legitimate First Nations representative has
acknowledged Holzworth’s “prayerformance” as representative of a
ceremony in their culture.
The Seneca’s of New York have no record of her supposed ancestry under
any of the aliases she has used. It is highly suspicious to First
Nations people that while Holzwoth She claims to be Seneca, but she
mixes Lakota sacred rites and the Dineh ceremonial use of corn
pollen.
Holzworth claims her teaching are channeled from an entity named
Metatron whom she communicated with in her sleep for 13 weeks.
Indigenous people do not believe that spiritual knowledge is
transmitted in this manner.
Holzworth has claimed she had permission from the Chickaloons of
Alaska, the Hopi, Navajo, Shoshone as well as Pine Ridge elders to
charge for her prayerformances. Various First Nations groups who tried
to verify her claims found that this is not true.
Holzworth claimed that her drum was blessed by elders in Alaska, but
was unable to produce the name of one legitimate elder who had blessed
the drum. Eventually, she mentioned the name Gary Harrison, the Chief
of the Chickaloons in Alaska as one of these elders, but he denied
having blessed the drum.
Holzworth’s Strategy: Emotional Manipulation to Achieve Affinity
Fraud
First Nations people charge that what Holzworth is doing amounts to
affinity fraud. She insinuates herself in Feminist/Spiritual
communities by making herself look like one of them. She uses all the
right catch words and presents herself as a fellow spiritual seeker.
Holzworth strategy is to paint the united First Nation’s stand against
her enterprise as merely an aberration. The protesters have been
depicted as merely a few “bad Indians” whose poor social conditions
have made them angry and irrational. Holzworth insists that there are
“good Indians” out there who support her efforts. However, her
prayformances are almost exclusively white and no legitimate First
Nation’s spiritual elders have come out in support of her endeavors.
Whenever Holzworth has been confronted by the overwhelmingly white
audience that is attracted to her teachings, she conveniently asserts
that “we are all one people” .She has never answered the charges that
she is fraudulently impersonating a Native American person or provided
the protesters with information about her alleged Seneca ancestry.
First Nation’s Groups are planning small protests of Holzworth’s
appearances and they are asking for supporters who live in the New
York area, to please contact the following venues and urge them to
cancel her appearances.
White Ego Woman is appearing September 22, 2009, at:
Levittown Hall
203 Levittown Pkwy
Hicksville, NY 11801
(516) 933-6400
White Ego Woman is appearing on October 16, 2009 (7pm-10pm), at:
Wantagh Memorial Congregational Church
1845 Wantagh Avenue,
Wantagh, NY 11793
(516) 785-1247
White Ego Woman is appearing on October 17, 2009 (10:30am-6:30pm),
at:
Merrick Golf Course Clubhouse
2550 Clubhouse Road
Merrick, NY 11566
(516) 868-4650
RESOURCES:
Groups fighting the Exploitation of Native American Spirituality
Do No Harm, a national organization, whose most active branch is in
Tucson, Arizona.
D0d0...@yahoo.com
A collection of essays is available at
www.wantingtobeindian.bravehost.com
Don’t Pay to Pray
Myspace blog: www.myspace.com/dontpaytopray
Twitter: www.twitter.com/dontpaytopray
New Age Frauds Plastic Shamans Forum (There is an extensive thread on
the activities of this individual)
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.0
YouTube activism can be found at
Iroqua of Bushkill, PA
Romero358’s YouTube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/romero358
Chuck Butzin from Mount Pleasant Michigan
mtig49’s YouTube Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/mtig49
Pictures of the protest were posted on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/butzin/
Iktome Returns Collective YouTube Group
Real NDNZ against Cultural Theft
http://www.youtube.com/group/culturaltheft
Iktome....@gmail.com
BLOGS that analyze and document the protests:
Jay Fulton’s account of the Massachusetts protest
http://jayfulton.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/grandmother_peace_drum_and_pepper-spray/
Lisa Hill is a Euruopean-American, a pagan and a spiritual Feminist
who opposes cultural theft in all its forms. If you’d like to ask her
a question about her research into First Nations Communities, you can
email her at:
reported...@gmail.com
By Lisa Hill reported...@gmail.com
White Eagle Woman will also be appearing in Vancourver British
Columbia in October
White Eagle Woman will be appearing September 26-27, 2009, at:
Coast International Inn
3450 Aviation Avenue
Anchorage, AK 99503
(907) 243-2233?
FAX: (907) 248-3796
Toll Free 1-800-716-6199
International +800-800-26278
Email contact form: https://www.coasthotels.com/contactus
White Eagle Woman is appearing on October 23 (7pm–10pm) and October 24
(10am-6pm), at:
Comox Band Hall
3320 Comox Road
Courtenay, BC
V9N 3P8
CANADA
Contact info for the Comox (Kómox) First Nation
Chief Ernest Hardy and Council, K'omoks First Nation
Chief Ernest Hardy
Telephone: (250) 339-7122
K'ómoks First Nation
3320 Comox Road
Comox, BC V9N 3P8
(250) 339-4545 older number (250)339-7122
Barbara Mitchell
Melinda Knox ( Manger)
Fax: (250) 339-7053
Website: http://www.comoxband.ca/index.php
Email: Email: in...@comoxband.ca
Dusty woman
Red Cloud
> Hello all,
>
> I came across this on twitter:http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/09/107415.shtml
>
> It confirms my suspicions that all those “well-intentioned white
>
Ok. Not really trust what's put out by Indymedia.org. They are fully
supported by La Raza and Mexican invaders and Aztlan with radical
white left wing. Oh I'm sure that indymedia.org will claim to speak
for Native Indian issue....That's just sideshow act. Their biggest
act is the Anti-West Raza Mexican activism That's where they
biggest donation come from... Indian issue is not big issue and
Indymedia does not touch much. The above article is for showing the
anti-White and Anti-Western activism of pro-Mexican invaders, not for
Native issue since
Indians don't pay for the donation which means they don't care about
Indians.
Don't be fool by Indymedia.org trick.
chatnoir
> Hello all,
>
> I came across this on twitter:http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/09/107415.shtml
>
> It confirms my suspicions that all those “well-intentioned white
> seekers” are not really as benign as they seem. I’ve noticed a
> tendency in the white feminist spirituality movement to embrace
> elements of German mysticism (i.e. the Nazi occult) Atlantis,
> numerology, astrology, ruins, apocalyptic prophesies nature worship
> etc and insists that they are really “practicing native
> spirituality.” I’ve also noticed a tendency among white seekers to
> claim that they are re-incarnated Indians and that the time of the red
> man has passed and the white man is destined to take over our
> spiritual roles.
Tell them they have seen "Lord of the Rings" once too often!
Monica
>
> read more »
It's funny that the white Indians on here who are supposedly here to
fight racism and are so much more involved and superior to real
Indians haven't said anything about this.
s�r`ch�sm
What "white Indians" would those be? Cite any post where that's been
asserted or, resume lying at will and calling it your "opinion".
>
>who are supposedly here to fight racism
>
To oppose your racism, specifically, monica is not a supposition - it's the
honorable thing to do.
>
>and are so much more involved and superior to real
>Indians haven't said anything about this.
>
Who said anything about superiority except you, monica? These fabricated
strawman arguements of yours were old months ago. They're beyond stale by
now. Have a breathmint, the stench of your lies is rivaling the aroma of
Tacoma.
Red Cloud
Jesus! Try Mexican! Beheaded head and toss in street to display the
mob power in Mexico today. They used to rip the heart out in real
time, real history in Aztec. Lord of the Ring is just pure cinematic
fantasy . Tell me how many time did you
denied Aztec's sacrificial ritual were murderous intent.
dustywoman
Oh really?
Did you even bother to look up the publishing guidelines for New York
Indy Media or was there an Alex Jones radio special on?
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/static/openpublishing.html
I have searched this organization's web site and I can find no
EVIDENCE that they are in any way supported by La Raza, let alone
fully supported by it.
They claim to be supported by donations. Where did you get your facts?
"At the heart of Indymedia is the principle of "Open Publishing",
which allows anyone to self-publish their work on the IMC web sites.
The IMC Newswire encourages people to become the media by posting
their articles, videos, audio clips, photos and artwork directly to
the web site using the "Publish" form."
It clearly says, ANYONE can publish. You are NOT required to make a
donation in order to publish. If you had bothered to do a little
research you would see that when you make wild unsupported claims
about a grassroots organization committed to open publishing, you're
really criticizing the most free and open publishing source available
to the general public. In effect, you are criticizing yourself.
Where's your article? You don't even have to be from New York City to
publish.
There is nothing in the article to indicate an Aztlanista bent in the
politics of the author, either.
If you had bothered to read the article you wouldn't have used this
thread to vent your criticisms of La Raza. I am very familiar with
the politics of La Raza and I don't find them anywhere in the article
I posted. The author's perspective bears no resemblence to the
perspectives of La Raza. Looking at the main page of the Indy Media
New York website today, I can't even find ONE article that deals with
Mexico, the border or Latiin political issues and there were at least
7 in the Arizona Daily Star today? By your logic, is the Star then a
puppet of La Raza?
I may, in fact, share some of your negative opinions of Aztlanistas,
but this issue has absolutely NOTHING to do with the article cited or
the ideas presented. I might even agree with you that white folks in
the Northeast are way too concerned with hot and sexy border issues to
the extent that they are not well informed about the issues of other
indigenous nations, but that isn't relevant to this thread either.
It puzzles me that you would think that your opinions about La Raza
are at all relevant here.
The author is talking about a white woman impersonating a Seneca and
the similarities of her teachings to the writings of Rudolph Steiner.
What could a political phenomena in the Southwestern United States
possibly have to do with this?
White Eagle Woman has appeared mainly in the far Northern parts of the
United States, Alaska, Hawaii and Israel. When she does perform in the
U.S, she mainly sticks to the Northern part of the country, except for
Yellowstone and Sedona AZ, which is a whole other kettle of fish, she
has stayed away from the American South West.
A fact for which I am thankful.
While I have found some of your posts relevant and I would be
interested in hearing your opinions on the cultural appropriation of
Indigenous culture by the Aztlanista movement, I don't see how it is
at all relevant to this post.
Additionally, the people who run NEW YORK Indy Media are listed on the
website and have not, in my opinion, done enough stories on the
political issues of the Southwestern United States.
Additionally, the La Raza people and the Aztlanista fanatics are two
seperate groups of people. The Aztlanistas are well known for extreme
beliefs which they justify with fiction gleaned from New Age workshops
about the 2012 Doomsday prophesies, fantasies about crystal skulls and
Atlantis and fabricated Mayan and Hopi prophesies and rely on the
Dreamspell calender which was mentioned as being a fabrication in the
article.
La Raza, on the other hand, is more focuses on advocating for the
rights of all Latin people and they have even worked with the Tohono
O'odham Nation as strong advocates to help them secure their rights to
travel freely across the border to visit their relatives.
http://www.hrusa.org/indig/reports/Tohono.shtm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR2006091401827.html
I'm guessing that you don't live near the border and are as ignorant
of the real border issues as the majority of Americans are.
I am more suspicious of someone who is trying to trick me by confusing
the two groups.
If Indy Media NEW YORK is not doing enough coverage of indigenous
issues, it's because the indigenous activists of NEW YORK are either
not aware of the opportunity to publish or they are not submitting any
articles.
Anyone can publish. Anyone's article is accepted as long as they don't
violate their terms of service, which seems to be, don't post neo-nazi
articles.
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/static/editorialpolicy.html
To me, it says a lot that a lot of Nons in New York would even allow
such an article to be published.
It also makes me wonder why, Nons have to be the ones to write our
articles for us and why more NDNS are not out there taking advantage
of the ability to reach wide audiences by publishing our own thoughts
and investigative journalism on our own issues in our own voices.
Maybe because too many of us waste too much of our time in cyber-space
throwing flames at people whom we never met. Ey?
runningwolf
>
> I'm guessing that you don't live near the border and are as ignorant
> of the real border issues as the majority of Americans are.
>
> I am more suspicious of someone who is trying to trick me by confusing
> the two groups.
>
> If Indy Media NEW YORK is not doing enough coverage of indigenous
> issues, it's because the indigenous activists of NEW YORK are either
> not aware of the opportunity to publish or they are not submitting any
> articles.
> Anyone can publish. Anyone's article is accepted as long as they don't
> violate their terms of service, which seems to be, don't post neo-nazi
> articles.
>
> http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/static/editorialpolicy.html
>
> To me, it says a lot that a lot of Nons in New York would even allow
> such an article to be published.
> It also makes me wonder why, Nons have to be the ones to write our
> articles for us and why more NDNS are not out there taking advantage
> of the ability to reach wide audiences by publishing our own thoughts
> and investigative journalism on our own issues in our own voices.
>
> Maybe because too many of us waste too much of our time in cyber-space
> throwing flames at people whom we never met. Ey?
BRAVO from this small space of mine in Arizona!!!
Red Cloud
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 9:36 pm, dustywoman <azbitchwo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hello all,
>
> > > I came across this on twitter:http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/09/107415.shtml
>
> Oh really?
> Did you even bother to look up the publishing guidelines for New York
> Indy Media or was there an Alex Jones radio special on?
>
Sorry not a fan of Alex Jones...
> http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/static/openpublishing.html
>
> I have searched this organization's web site and I can find no
> EVIDENCE that they are in any way supported by La Raza, let alone
> fully supported by it.
> They claim to be supported by donations. Where did you get your facts?
>
La Raza never fight for illegal immigration. Indymedia never report
any news
regarding the negative view of illegal alien such as: illegal aline
crime wave.
Indymedia avoids any illegal alien crime. Of course, they love to
publish if
illegal alien were victim and White race were the criminal.
> "At the heart of Indymedia is the principle of "Open Publishing",
> which allows anyone to self-publish their work on the IMC web sites.
> The IMC Newswire encourages people to become the media by posting
> their articles, videos, audio clips, photos and artwork directly to
> the web site using the "Publish" form."
>
> It clearly says, ANYONE can publish. You are NOT required to make a
> donation in order to publish. If you had bothered to do a little
> research you would see that when you make wild unsupported claims
> about a grassroots organization committed to open publishing, you're
> really criticizing the most free and open publishing source available
> to the general public. In effect, you are criticizing yourself.
> Where's your article? You don't even have to be from New York City to
> publish.
>
Anyone can publish if it follows the guideline of indymeda. Don't
post illegal alien
crime wave. They will delete it first for obvious reason. They are not
free open media.
> There is nothing in the article to indicate an Aztlanista bent in the
> politics of the author, either.
>
> If you had bothered to read the article you wouldn't have used this
> thread to vent your criticisms of La Raza. I am very familiar with
> the politics of La Raza and I don't find them anywhere in the article
> I posted. The author's perspective bears no resemblence to the
> perspectives of La Raza. Looking at the main page of the Indy Media
> New York website today, I can't even find ONE article that deals with
> Mexico, the border or Latiin political issues and there were at least
> 7 in the Arizona Daily Star today? By your logic, is the Star then a
> puppet of La Raza?
>
Try la.indymedia.org. Full of pro-Mexican activism. Pro-illegal
alien activism.
> I may, in fact, share some of your negative opinions of Aztlanistas,
> but this issue has absolutely NOTHING to do with the article cited or
> the ideas presented. I might even agree with you that white folks in
> the Northeast are way too concerned with hot and sexy border issues to
> the extent that they are not well informed about the issues of other
> indigenous nations, but that isn't relevant to this thread either.
>
> It puzzles me that you would think that your opinions about La Raza
> are at all relevant here.
> The author is talking about a white woman impersonating a Seneca and
> the similarities of her teachings to the writings of Rudolph Steiner.
> What could a political phenomena in the Southwestern United States
> possibly have to do with this?
>
You read my post wrong. I did not directly making connection. I was
trying to
make a point Indymedia won't fight the La Raza... La Raza is pure
100% pro-illegal
alien activist and that's the official view of indymedia.org
> White Eagle Woman has appeared mainly in the far Northern parts of the
> United States, Alaska, Hawaii and Israel. When she does perform in the
> U.S, she mainly sticks to the Northern part of the country, except for
> Yellowstone and Sedona AZ, which is a whole other kettle of fish, she
> has stayed away from the American South West.
> A fact for which I am thankful.
>
> While I have found some of your posts relevant and I would be
> interested in hearing your opinions on the cultural appropriation of
> Indigenous culture by the Aztlanista movement, I don't see how it is
> at all relevant to this post.
I've repeatedly said Mexican/Chicano activist's engagement of
stealing native
American culture and history. You can search my article and I
mentioned my
experience on specific case where Mexican Aztec became the American
Indian
movement.
>
> Additionally, the people who run NEW YORK Indy Media are listed on the
> website and have not, in my opinion, done enough stories on the
> political issues of the Southwestern United States.
>
> Additionally, the La Raza people and the Aztlanista fanatics are two
> seperate groups of people. The Aztlanistas are well known for extreme
> beliefs which they justify with fiction gleaned from New Age workshops
> about the 2012 Doomsday prophesies, fantasies about crystal skulls and
> Atlantis and fabricated Mayan and Hopi prophesies and rely on the
> Dreamspell calender which was mentioned as being a fabrication in the
> article.
>
I was one who mentioned all those fictions!
> La Raza, on the other hand, is more focuses on advocating for the
> rights of all Latin people and they have even worked with the Tohono
> O'odham Nation as strong advocates to help them secure their rights to
> travel freely across the border to visit their relatives.http://www.hrusa.org/indig/reports/Tohono.shtmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/14/AR200...
>
La Raza is also advocating Mexican illegal to freely travel to
their country without going through border check. They are no-border
fanatics.
> I'm guessing that you don't live near the border and are as ignorant
> of the real border issues as the majority of Americans are.
>
What is the real border issue? Over 12 millions Mexican illegal
crossed the
border. Where is the border? Oh I got it: real border issue is NO
BORDER AT ALL!
> I am more suspicious of someone who is trying to trick me by confusing
> the two groups.
>
I don't see any significant difference two groups.
> If Indy Media NEW YORK is not doing enough coverage of indigenous
> issues, it's because the indigenous activists of NEW YORK are either
> not aware of the opportunity to publish or they are not submitting any
> articles.
> Anyone can publish. Anyone's article is accepted as long as they don't
> violate their terms of service, which seems to be, don't post neo-nazi
> articles.
>
Not only Neo-Nazi. Don't post illegal alien's crime new on
Indymedia!
> http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/static/editorialpolicy.html
>
> To me, it says a lot that a lot of Nons in New York would even allow
> such an article to be published.
> It also makes me wonder why, Nons have to be the ones to write our
> articles for us and why more NDNS are not out there taking advantage
> of the ability to reach wide audiences by publishing our own thoughts
> and investigative journalism on our own issues in our own voices.
>
> Maybe because too many of us waste too much of our time in cyber-space
> throwing flames at people whom we never met. E
you obviously have not had enough experienced on leftist activism. I
can see you can be easily fooled by their tactic. I came from radical
left activism so I know their
tactic. I've known indymedia.org and democracynow.org. in past 10
yr. One of
issue they will never report is: anti-illegal immigration article. You
said Indymedia
is open free media. Total LIE! They reject any article about
illegal aliens' crime. Of course, they love to publish if illegal
alien got beaten or murdered by White
racist but Indymedia.org won't ever publish any crime perpetuated by
by illegal alien such as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pbh_iiv7cE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcsaTa9PhiY&feature=related
She is a victim of illegal alien crime. Losing her sons and husband by
illegal alien
gang will never publish both Indymedia.org or democracynow.org. Do you
know why? Can you figure this why?
Indymedia and demecracynow are clearly not free and open media. I've
never seen any illegal alien crime's report in both media. Go search.
You won't find it...
Let me tell you how stupid and naive indymedia.org is.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2009/08/229472.php
This article shows how mindless and utter pathetic indymedia.org is.
They blame
the crime wave of Black and Mexican to the White oppressed system.
Blame capitalism is perfect excuse. I can't believe they covered up
for the criminal thug and gangster. Does Mexican/Chicano activist
carry any responsibility for their criminal behaviour? They have no
morality. No responsibility.