Over the rainbow: Author Promotes Native American Genocide
Monica
Monica
pep...@gmail.com
had kooky views. He's dead now. The Wizard of Oz movie is 70 years
old, has nothing to do with his nutsy views.
Stop beating old, dead crumbles of horse skeletons.
LL
Monica
Princess or the other whites knew that? There's nothing wrong with a little
education.
<pep...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1dd9a116-4cb1-4813...@t26g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Hope
> A little testy are we today? Do you think others like say Xena Warrior
> Princess or the other whites knew that? There's nothing wrong with a little
> education.
>
monsters? ;-p
Has it occurred to you that the whites that you take such delight in
insulting and denigrating may feel that you cannot possibly have
anything positive to "teach" and simply dismiss your posts
automatically, the way you do theirs? Why should they care what you
say, when you make it so clear you respect nothing about them? Is
your ego really that big?
Oh wait, I forgot. This is all a one-way "education." You don't read
anything I post...
Monica
truth about what happened to us. I thought if I inundated them with Truth
they would stop crossposting. Didn't work. Oh well........
Red Cloud
Youtube addicted Monica Charles. One crazy psychopath Indian spent a
lots
of time watching Youtube. Without Youtube, Monica Charles is like a
horseshit.
This reminds me of how vulnerable human life is. Monica Charles is
suffered
from psychological dilution. She never fixed her problem inside her
head. She thinks
she is normal. She thinks she has native right. Actually she is no
different from
the rest of us that's why she behaved like psychopath. She hates
everybody else
who does not came from her tribe. MY GOD! What a bloody racist she
could be!
Give her some power she can be the Nazi fascist!
1X2Willows
Please stop crossposting to alt.sports.football.pro.sf-49ers,
talk.politics.mideast, rec.music.hip-hop and alt.politics.radical-left
from alt.native. Practice what you preach.
- and besides...
"Monica" <yan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6t6dncJdKYNmpPvU...@earthlink.com...
>I shouldn't have been testy in turn. White people don't like to hear the
>truth about what happened to us. I thought if I inundated them with Truth
>they would stop crossposting. Didn't work. Oh well........
"The more they talked about honor, the faster we counted the silver"
--- unknown author
Substitute "Truth" for "honor" (and wow... even capitalized :)
Works just as well.
Red Cloud
> You're doing it again, Ms. Charles.
>
pwhahaha.... Monica Charles is a psychopath. What do you think? She
is
a crazy! Save yourself....
oldwifetale
> psychological dilution.
Hee hee... that's a new one...
Hope
> > psychological dilution.
>
> Hee hee... that's a new one...
I think I accidentally drank one of those once. ;-)
Wayne George
perees don't drink prestone-antifreeze...caus it not free. try perummer gru
,it make roo free.
Wayne George tsc
~~~~~~~~~~~~+
"Red Cloud" <mmdi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fed94c96-7f9b-49bc...@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
Wayne George
I still recall the taste.
Wayne George tsc
~~~~~~~~~~~~+
"Hope" <hollera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e2fcf80b-4ea3-4cb5...@m22g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
pep...@gmail.com
I wasn't testy. Just factual.
Stop, already, with the "white people" slurs, OK? Every time you use a
negative stereotype about that group, or any other, you've given
permission for someone to use a negative stereotype about you. What
you sow, you *will* reap. And so will the rest of us who get the
backlash from your attacks.
And yea, if you're crossposting, don't. You'll just bring more
trolls, and those who are rightfully aggrieved, into the group.
Rehashing old stuff that was discussed even in this group years and
years ago doesn't help educate anyone about now.
And there's a difference between "education" and bashing people on the
head. Rage as a full-time offering is not attractive. And it will not
inspire anyone to reach out to us as individuals, or to learn about us
as peoples.
Yea, some of history sucks. But it's done. Yea, there are some effects
that linger--but that's true of everyone. What counts is not the
history, but what we choose to do with what we have here today.
Racism will never be eradicated in the human psyche, I'm convinced.
But race relations have come a long, long way.
I'm not willing to keep beating people up for what their ancestors may
have done to my ancestors. I'll deal with the people who are here with
us today on this little planet according to their words and actions.
But I'm not going to "other" them. They can do that for themselves,
and when they do, then it can be dealt with then on a case by case
basis. Racism sucks, no matter which way it flows.
LL
Hope
Once again, thank you for your wise words.
skep...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
You make it sound like its a bad thing when new people come into this
group. What is this group about except talking about things. The only
interesting conversations on these groups are when they are
crossposted and people from different groups respond. It's the
agitators that get out the dirt. Monica's enthusiasm for educating
people enhances the world, not takes away from it. She has some hang
ups, --don't we all? Spreading intense intellectual conversation
around the net is positive.
pep...@gmail.com
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You make it sound like its a bad thing when new people come into this
> group. What is this group about except talking about things. The only
> interesting conversations on these groups are when they are
> crossposted and people from different groups respond. It's the
> agitators that get out the dirt. Monica's enthusiasm for educating
> people enhances the world, not takes away from it. She has some hang
> ups, --don't we all? Spreading intense intellectual conversation
> around the net is positive.
Nah. I don't think it's a good thing when trolls show up, do you? And
I don't see a need to entertain personal posts from people who are
aggrieved by someone spamming non-related material to other groups.
That just turns into flame wars.
If you'll reread my post, you'll see that I have nothing against
education. I'm just not into rage, inviting trolls, racism, and oh
yea--trying to get things going between people personally.
It's not intellectual to say things about "you (fill in the name of
your target group)" are (fill in name of what you perceive is wrong
about all of 'em). C'mon. If that's intellectual, then what is the
KKK--a MENSA chapter?
If you like a particular poster's offerings, tell them so. But do
remember that one poster doth not a newsgroup make.
And oh yea, I removed all the other groups in the header that you'd
cross-posted to. I'm not into agitation for its own sake, claiming
that it's the only thing that gets up the dirt. If that's so, then we
should all stop our life experiences at admiring our vacuum cleaners
at work.
Happy weekend!
LL
Hope
I have to say in all seriousness, I hope I can be like you when I grow
up. Or perhaps *if* I grow up would be more accurate.
Hope
>
> You make it sound like its a bad thing when new people come into this
> group. What is this group about except talking about things. The only
> interesting conversations on these groups are when they are
> crossposted and people from different groups respond.
That may be the only ones YOU find interesting, Billy. That does not
mean EVERYONE is interested in them, or that you have a right to
demand that they be.
> It's the
> agitators that get out the dirt.
Stirring dirt up is not the same as getting it out. Posting on the
net really does not seem to change much in the real world. All that
dust can irritate people and cloud the view, too.
> Monica's enthusiasm for educating
> people enhances the world, not takes away from it.
When "educators" begin lectures by announcing their disdain and
contempt for the students, I can guarantee you that not much positive
education occurs. It is illogical to expect otherwise.
> She has some hang
> ups, --don't we all? Spreading intense intellectual conversation
> around the net is positive.
Not if you try to FORCE your views on people, or insult them if their
views are different from yours. That is not "intellectual
conversation." It's more like religious proselytizing in the public
square, or some fanatical group running all over town covering every
square inch of open space with their posters and handbills and then
wondering why people resent them.
There has to be an etiquette for posting in public forums, just as
their must be for any type of public meetings. Trying to negotiate
that and agree on what it should be obviously causes a lot of
friction. People have to *want* to get along and share the space
respectfully, or things will devolve into a shouting match/mudslinging
competition, just like in real life.
Long experience in all kinds of newsgroups shows that it doesn't work
to go at it like evangelistic missionaries who feel they have a right
to get in people's faces and preach their message, when the person has
politely indicated a lack of interest. And it really doesn't work if
they feel they have some sort of authority to condemn the folks to
their version of hell for choosing a different focus. It seems most
of us have to occasionally be taught that lesson again.
If you show respect and tolerance, then you have a right to expect the
same. If you are disrespectful, pushy, rigid, racist, enraged,
fanatical, etc...then it's pretty natural that only like-minded people
are going to want to listen to what you have to say. If you announce
that you need for someone to be your enemy, then perhaps people will
be willing accommodate you, whether that is their first preference or
not.
That's the way it works with people. You can usually find whatever you
are looking for, either positive or negative. But it's very hard to
get a positive from two negatives outside math class.
pep...@gmail.com
Thanks for your kind words. But I have my moments. :)
LL
Hope
>
> > I have to say in all seriousness, I hope I can be like you when I grow
> > up. Or perhaps *if* I grow up would be more accurate.
>
> Thanks for your kind words. But I have my moments. :)
>
> LL
I'd be scared of you if you didn't. ;-p
skep...@aol.com
> On Jan 9, 12:44�pm, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You make it sound like its a bad thing when new people come into this
> > group. What is this group about except talking about things. The only
> > interesting conversations on these groups are when they are
> > crossposted and people from different groups respond.
>
> That may be the only ones YOU find interesting, Billy. �That does not
> mean EVERYONE is interested in them, or that you have a right to
> demand that they be.
Skeptic Responds:
Kimmy, you are much better at interpersonal communication, and you
don't race bait like the Monica, who has some hangups. But you DO talk
down to posters and you are KNOWN for lecturing. You have an inquiring
mind and you are geniunely interested in intellectual issues and for
debating.
>
> > It's the
> > agitators that get out the dirt.
>
> Stirring dirt up is not the same as getting it out. �Posting on the
> net really does not seem to change much in the real world. �All that
> dust can irritate people and cloud the view, too.
Skeptic Respond:
Times are dire, let's not speak falsely now. What can we do as
organizers? Protest, Organize and talk about things. This is the talk
about things stage in here.
>
> > Monica's enthusiasm for educating
> > people enhances the world, not takes away from it.
>
> When "educators" begin lectures by announcing their disdain and
> contempt for the students, I can guarantee you that not much positive
> education occurs. �It is illogical to expect otherwise.
Skeptic Responds:
You are doing pretty good in this post not spitting contempt and
burying me in distain. You are unusally restrained. Maybe you have
grown grass hoper.
>
> > She has some hang
> > ups, --don't we all? Spreading intense intellectual conversation
> > around the net is positive.
>
> Not if you try to FORCE your views on people, or insult them if their
> views are different from yours. �That is not "intellectual
> conversation." �It's more like religious proselytizing in the public
> square, or some fanatical group running all over town covering every
> square inch of open space with their posters and handbills and then
> wondering why people resent them.
>
> There has to be an etiquette for posting in public forums, just as
> their must be for any type of public meetings. �Trying to negotiate
> that and agree on what it should be obviously causes a lot of
> friction. �People have to *want* to get along and share the space
> respectfully, or things will devolve into a shouting match/mudslinging
> competition, just like in real life.
>
> Long experience in all kinds of newsgroups shows that it doesn't work
> to go at it like evangelistic missionaries who feel they have a right
> to get in people's faces and preach their message, when the person has
> politely indicated a lack of interest. �And it really doesn't work if
> they feel they have some sort of authority to condemn the folks to
> their version of hell for choosing a different focus. �It seems most
> of us have to occasionally be taught that lesson again.
>
Skeptic Responds:
Times are dire, Let's not speak falsely now. The advance can seek the
advanced. Political work, contacting people, spreading revolutionary
propaganda, telling people the latest outrage, organizing people to
take a step of action. This is important work. Don't throw cold water
on it. Stand up or step out of the way.
Death to the pigs is my basic statement. I spit strreet stories 'till
I pavement. Tryin' to stay out the pen while we face enslavement Had a
foolproof hustle 'til they traced the payments
I was grippin' my palm around some shitty rum Tryin' to find psalm
number 151
To forget what I'm owed, as I clutch the commode Alright, put down the
bottle and come get the guns I get off the chain like Kunta Kinte
with a MAC-10 They want us gone like a dollar in a crack den Said at
least a track then, seeds & stems Mind cloudy through the wheeze and
phlegm
I'm get my brain off of that and the Jesus hymns If we waiting for the
time to fight, these is thems
Tellin' us to relax while they ease it in. We gettin greased again The
truth I write is so cold, It'd freeze my pen.
> If you show respect and tolerance, then you have a right to expect the
> same. �If you are disrespectful, pushy, rigid, racist, enraged,
> fanatical, etc...then it's pretty natural that only like-minded people
> are going to want to listen to what you have to say. �If you announce
> that you need for someone to be your enemy, then perhaps people will
> be willing accommodate you, whether that is their first preference or
> not.
Skeptic Responds:
It's a sterile, alienated world out there full of right wing bullies
laughing at the pictures of body parts of Palestinians and slack jawed
zombies blabbering about 'Survivor' and the 'Big Brother reality
shows.' I can see you are searching for more Hope. Searching for real
intimancy (platonic) and communication with meaning, looking for a
better world.
>
> That's the way it works with people. You can usually find whatever you
> are looking for, either positive or negative. �But it's very hard to
> get a positive from two negatives outside math class.
Lash out for your just desserts
It's not just the worth
Some of y'all heads up in the clouds
I'ma bring y'all back to earth
Ring the alarm and form the troops
Send 'em out into the world, go to war in a fluke
Eye to eye with the enemy you sworn to shoot
Now comin' at ya neck sick ya hand,
When you cheat just way to smart to question
The enemy the brothers of a dark complexion
The governments of the world is shark infested
They heavy on weaponry like Charelton Heston
Man yeah it gets low here uh, real low
Know what I'm talkin' 'bout?
[Chorus]
I ain't rockin' with you, so what what you goin do? (it's my favorite
mutiny)
I ain't rockin' with you, you're logic does not compute (it's my
favorite mutiny)
[I'm Boots Riley it's a pleasure to meet you
Never let they punk ass ever defeat you
They got us on the corner wearin pleather and see thru
All y'all's gold mines they wanna deplete you
I ain't just fin to rap on the track, I fin to clap on the back
And it's been stackin' to that
Been a hundred years before iceberg ever lean back in the 'lac
Before they told Rosa black in the back
Before the CIA told Ricky Ross to put crack in the sack
And Gil-Scott tradin' rappin for smack
This beat alone should get platinum plaques
I'd rather see a million of us ecstatic to scrack
'Cause if we bappin' 'em back we automatically stack
[Chorus]
--My Favorite Mutiny--The Coup
Bite through the leash, buck the beast Hope!
Hope
>
> Kimmy, you are much better at interpersonal communication, and you
> don't race bait like the Monica, who has some hangups. But you DO talk
> down to posters and you are KNOWN for lecturing.
It is not my intent to "talk down" and I regret it if it comes across
that way. It is my intent to speak my truth in a way that makes sense
to me, and often as I write things become more clear in my own mind
and I see how I need to relate them to my life. I write what *I* need
to read, perhaps even more than what I want others to read.
I have done a lot of soul searching on this issue, and I am being as
honest as I am capable of being right now when I say I don't think I
am either inferior or superior to anyone else, nor do I think that of
anyone here. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. We have
some very serious differences, and there are personality clashes as
well as posters who are on the same page. It doesn't make anyone
"better" than anyone else. We're on different paths, and those paths
are not set up as a race track.
As for lecturing, yeah, I guess that's what I do. Perhaps that is the
teacher in me. It is my "style," much as cutting and pasting is what
you are KNOWN for. That's why after a time people can often tell who
posted something even under a different handle.
[...]
> Skeptic Responds:
>
> You are doing pretty good in this post not spitting contempt and
> burying me in distain. You are unusally restrained. Maybe you have
> grown grass hoper.
>
Stranger things have happened! ;-p
>
[...]
> Times are dire, Let's not speak falsely now. The advance can seek the
> advanced. Political work, contacting people, spreading revolutionary
> propaganda, telling people the latest outrage, organizing people to
> take a step of action. This is important work. Don't throw cold water
> on it. Stand up or step out of the way.
I AM standing up. I'm just not standing where you wish to place me.
And I am not in your way. You have your work, I have mine.
>
> Death to the pigs is my basic statement. [snip] *sigh*
[...]
> It's a sterile, alienated world out there full of right wing bullies
> laughing at the pictures of body parts of Palestinians and
You left out the left-wing bullies wishing death to the "pigs" of the
world.
> slack jawed
> zombies blabbering about 'Survivor' and the 'Big Brother reality
> shows.' I can see you are searching for more Hope. Searching for real
> intimancy (platonic) and communication with meaning, looking for a
> better world.
Yes, that's true, I am. I think everyone is searching for personal
meaning, really. We just search in different directions.
>
>
[more lyrics snipped]
>
> Bite through the leash, buck the beast Hope!
We see things differently, Billy. Your methods are not my methods.
And unless our basic natures change, that is never going to change
either. So the most logical choice seems to me to be to simply accept
that and agree to disagree.
Monica
your religion in secret because it was outlawed? Have you had to fish
in secret because whites didn't want Indians to fish at all? Did you
know in Washington State whites wanted to keep it a whites only
activity? Have you had your car rammed, or had your road monkey
wrenched, or received death threats because you publicly support your
people's Treaty Rights? Do people in town charge you a higher rate for
services than they do whites? Do white people think you get "Indian
money" from the government? Do white people think you get everything
free from the government? Do you know that Tribes do not have
jurisdiction over whites on Reservations because of the Oliphant
decision? How safe would you feel around whites? Would you want them
in your neighborhood? Did you know that your Ancestors ceded millions
of acres of pristine land to provide for your safety and to ensure
that you had the right to BE INdian and all that means, the right to
fish and hunt as your Ancestors did, to worship in the manner given to
your Ancestors, to provide you with housing, health care and an
education so you could live well in this new world. What you actually
get is substandard, inadequate health care, housing, and education.
Now look at that land that our Ancestors ceded to pay for ensuring our
survival. The land is almost dead, killed by the white man. They owe
me some change. Yet they think we get everything free. I'm glad your
experiences with white people have been so gentle. Mine hasn't been.
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBqYDb59P8- Hide quoted text -
pep...@gmail.com
>
> > - Show quoted text -
Can it, Monica. You're not the only NDN who's ever gone through racism
or discrimination or other bad things.
You've just chosen to make that your focal point. You want to be the
poster child for Indian suffering.
Cool. But don't expect me to be all awed--because I know people who
have suffered far more than I, and probably, you--and who haven't
tried to present themselves as the ultimate martyr.
And don't expect me to validate your needs to be the worstest hurtest
NDN around, or your slinging around things like "would you trust
whites" or would you want whites "in your neighborhood".
FYI, my neighborhood is racially mixed; we all do quite well, thanks.
Because you choose to exclude and stereotype others, don't expect that
others must do the same thing in order to be "Indian enough" or
acceptable--by your standards.
If all you have to deal out is rage, racism, and martyrdom, then just
don't reply to my posts. What little time I do spend visiting
alt.native I intend to use in enjoyable, educational, or otherwise
profitable interactions.
Maybe by reading others, non-natives will understand that your racism
and rage aren't what all NDNs, or all tribal cultures, or interactions
between cultures, are all about.
It's only fair to allow people to hear and experience things that are
different from what you have to say, and that are different from your
hatred and your apparent need to define all NDNs and all interactions
between races and cultures as you demand that they be.
alt.native once again needs to be a place to have conversations with
respect and without flaming.
LL
Monica
and you aren't discriminated against for being Indian doesn't mean
that it doesn't exist. By the same token you can't silence me because
I do experience that and it is still happening. I am glad you don't
experience hate for being Indian. But it does happen. I don't know
where you live but racism is alive and well here in Washington state.
A couple years ago whites took potshots at our canoes. Last year
whites defaced a mural depicting our village that the town was built
upon. A car load of our high school kids was run off the road by white
kids and our kids had to fight for no reason other than being Indian.
I'm glad YOU don't have to deal with racism. It does exist and is
dangerous for many Indians especially those living on reservations.
Are you blonde and blue eyed like the QB? Why do you want to cover up
racism?
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBqYDb59P8-Hidequoted text -
> LL- Hide quoted text -
Wayne George
IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU MONICA..WHO WITH YOUR ANGER AND IGNORANCE..HELPS TO
PREVENT OUR MOVING FORWARD..ND IN SPITE OF YOU,WE SHALL PREVAIL ND OVERCOME
THE IGNORANCE SURROUNDING US.
There are many of us..who pray for your sickness to end..so you will Live
the Good Life ,that many of your Brothers nd Sister do..
Be well Monica
Wayne George tsc did i just yell...?...sorry
~~~~~~~~~~~~+
"Monica" <yan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0b3c3bed-4f3e-46d8...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Red Cloud
Pwhahha.....damn what do really expect from Monica? She is closer to
Mexican.
She has a Mexican brain, Mexican IQ and Mexican ancestry. At the end,
like
Mexican, she needs a white people forever....She can't live without
white system.
She is actually addicted to white system like Mexican here.
> IT IS 'PEOPLE' LIKE YOU MONICA..WHO KEEP THE STINK A STINKY SITUATION..
> IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU MONICA..WHO WITH YOUR ANGER AND IGNORANCE..HELPS TO
> PREVENT OUR MOVING FORWARD..ND IN SPITE OF YOU,WE SHALL PREVAIL ND OVERCOME
> THE IGNORANCE SURROUNDING US.
> There are many of us..who pray for your sickness to end..so you will Live
> the Good Life ,that many of your Brothers nd Sister do..
> Be well Monica
>
> Wayne George tsc did i just yell...?...sorry
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~+"Monica" <yano...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMBqYDb59P8-Hide quoted text -
Hope
> That's all fine and good. Just because you don't live in a racist area
> and you aren't discriminated against for being Indian doesn't mean
> that it doesn't exist. By the same token you can't silence me because
> I do experience that and it is still happening. I am glad you don't
> experience hate for being Indian. But it does happen. I don't know
> where you live but racism is alive and well here in Washington state.
> A couple years ago whites took potshots at our canoes. Last year
> whites defaced a mural depicting our village that the town was built
> upon. A car load of our high school kids was run off the road by white
> kids and our kids had to fight for no reason other than being Indian.
> I'm glad YOU don't have to deal with racism. It does exist and is
> dangerous for many Indians especially those living on reservations.
> Are you blonde and blue eyed like the QB? Why do you want to cover up
> racism?
>
been discriminated against for being Indian. In fact, she just
recently posted about some dumb kids saying insulting things about
"wild Indians" in front of her and even an elder. You think there is
not racism in Oklahoma? Please! But she has chosen not to respond to
ignorance with hate and racism in return.
I don't know why you brought me into this, but I am not blonde and
blue-eyed. I did go through a long phase of coloring my hair blonde
once the grey started showing up because all my cousins on my dad's
side all had blonde hair except for me, and the hair stylists kept
telling me a lighter color would look better with my fair skin,
especially as I go older. But since you are apparently so interested,
my hair is natually brown, and my eyes are green like my Irish-blood
grandfather. My hair is now brown...well, except for the grey stuff
which is no longer "premature."
What does that have to do with anything? I have endured racism and an
attack by a Black. I don't blame all Blacks for that. I've been
laughed at and insulted by Indians--none more so than you, Monica. I
don't hold all Indians responsible for your behavior.
There is a HUGE difference between trying to "cover up racism" and
living and breathing it 24/7 as you do. You will NEVER let it die
from your side, so it doesn't matter how racist anyone else is. You
are racist enough for everyone. You do not have to dedicate your
entire life to a wrong in order to prove that it exists, Monica. We
all know racism exists. We all know it is wrong. We all acknowledge
it when we are confronted by it. But you have let it become your
entire life and being.
Yes, defacing the mural was wrong. It was also wrong when a bunch of
local kids spray painted slurs and insults all around the grounds at
the school for the blind where I worked. But I never heard anyone
say, "Sighted kids all suck. They are ALL prejudiced against blind
kids. So I'm going to hate all sighted people."
You gave us your side of the Makah whaling issue. I read a lot of
posts by the other side, too, including this:
"I consider Seashepherd (sic), WCCA, PCPW and all the other alphabet
soup
organizations to be hate groups. If you were Indian, facing these
people,
you would know that this isn't about saving whales. It is about hate."
Monica Charles
Port Angeles, WA, from an e-mail of April 6, 2002
(Author of numerous confusing, illiterate and factually-challenged
'letters
to the editor'.)
(WCCA note:) Monica, we love you! But we hate seeing whales killed,
whether
by Norwegians, Japanese, Makahs or creatures from Jupiter. Race has
nothing
to do with it! P.S: Does your term "alphabet soup organizations" also
include the NAACP, AIM, CIA, PLO, AMA, NMFS, IRS or <insert your
favorite
group here>?
With a big hug,
All of us who love whales!
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/greenvibrations/message/1475
I saw that there used to be a video of you giving the finger to a
participant at the 2005 Draft EIS meeting. That must have made you a
celebrity of sorts, eh? I read that many Makah did not share your
views. I read about how some Makah killed a whale with a machine
gun. What kind of "traditional rights" is that? Were people supposed
to just be fine with that *only because* those who did it were
Indian? ANYONE who did that--even the most White people on the
planet--would incur the wrath of many, many people. But I'm sure you
can't conceive of that. It HAD to be about racism. EVERYTHING is in
your reality.
Yet I read that you yourself once wrote,
>>"Responsible individuals will eradicate hate. We must find the strength
>>within ourselves to halt racism at the moment it happens. It won't be
>>easy.
>
>>A friend says that "stop the hate" may be too threatening to some people.
>>She recomments a change to "start the love." Huggy stuff. That is where
>>the healing of our community will begin."
>>
>>Monica J Charles
Powerful words. When do you plan to start practicing that? Or is it
only the Whites who need to halt racism and eradicate hate? Are you
too powerless to do it, so it is all up to the strong Whites to change
things for you? Phooey.
I also read the exchanges you had with "blu...@gmail.com" last fall.
She was quite eloquent in her pleas to you to stop your hate campaign
against her. Here is an excerpt:
"I am severely dyslexic, I decided to work to overcome my challenges
by
using the Internet.
I forced myself to read a certain amount of news articles everyday on
topics concerning
Indian Country that effect my family and friends.
My oldest daughter found Alt Native for me and gave me the screen name
mamablueyes.
That brought out the best and the worst in a few people right off the
bat and frankly, I was and
still am perplexed on how people can sit and judge someone because of
their choice of names.
I had never heard of the term "wannabe" before let alone be called one
and had never known any.
when I first came online, I did not even know how to use the spell
checker, and it was so bad
my writing, I can laugh today. But for a long list of people here on
Alt Native who were more than patient
with me and so very kind and understanding. I would not have much of
the writing skills I have today. I will never
forget anyone of them and will always remember the friendships and
lessons. Alt Native holds many more good
memories for many people who still read but shun the group because of
the shame brought down on this group.
Every time a decent conversation is started, it gets turned off topic
and driven into ugly that is why.
The only other place on line I have ever posted concerning Natives is
Frosty's list.
And I don't post there anymore because Monica's vitriol was beginning
to spill out even there.
I refuse to let her put a stain on his site he built to get away from
the BS of Alt Native so I
only read there now.
I refuse to leave Alt Native to the ill willing. It is sad that there
are people who use their freedom
of speech to do little more than hate. I cannot type much for myself
anymore but these words are
all my own. I tell you, if I did not have someone to help me, I would
not have the freedom to do many
things I used to take for granted. It is extraordinary to me someone
would take and use their freedom of
speech and up their vicious attack on me as Monica has since learning
my health is on the decline. I am
baffled by it really.
Alt Native is like one of those ships temporarily being held by
Pirates right now is all."
More:
"[I am] Nut's? Monica nut's is someone who follows good people around
on a
news group
badgering them with sick accusations,lies and filthy names until they
leave
the group. Who in their right mind does that? Monica, life is too damn
short
for many of us and many folk's here did spend their last writing days
at
alt native. It was important enough a place with important enough
issues
fighting with their last might to get out the "word".... I pray peace
comes over you someday
Monica I really do."
There is a lot more where that came from, and by many more posters,
all pretty much with a version of the same story. It seems that in
spite of the great number of posters who have come and gone, the one
constant is you and your hate, turning every topic of discussion into
your own personal forum for the preservation and conservation of
racism and the continuing martyrdom of Monica Charles. You are
willing to sacrifice everything and everyone to it.
You are obviously an intelligent, passionate person. What a sad waste
to devote all that is positive within you to tearing down, hating,
fighting, and anger. Gotta keep that volcano stoked! Sure, you are
causing a lot of misery to a lot of people, and I'm sure that feeling
of "revenge" is satisfying to you. But in return for the small wounds
it allows you to inflict on others, the fire is eating you alive.
Not that you will even allow yourself to acknowledge reading this,
since you can see me only as one of the White oppressors and "beneath
your notice." It truly makes my heart sad.
pep...@gmail.com
she hasn't
been discriminated against for being Indian. In fact, she just
recently posted about some dumb kids saying insulting things about
"wild Indians" in front of her and even an elder. You think there is
not racism in Oklahoma? Please! But she has chosen not to respond to
ignorance with hate and racism in return. "
Twisting things is the standard m.o. here. with these attacks.
I still miss MamaBlueEyes! And others.
Too many good people have been run off from this group by constant
vitriol and personal attacks.
Time to stop that crap.
Wayne George, yep. Enough "stinky." We've replaced out houses with
something better, so let's move on. ;}
LL
Wayne George
Roo is crude..a realee good "Rude Dude"..
nd from henceforth shall carry this name..!!
Wayne George tsc
~~~~~~~~~~~~+
"Red Cloud" <mmdi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f4084f99-16c7-4264...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
Red Cloud
I'm Mongol-Siberian. I speak the tongue of Mongol-Siberian and Ural-
Altaic.
What are you? What do you speak? White-man tongue?
Wayne George
Roo are rivin in America..home of The Brave rand of the Free..but why roo
talk rike roo are stupid..??? Roo must have some brain to get to here from
there..Butt still roo talk nd act rike
roo are Rude&Crude..
Wayne George tsc
~~~~~~~~~~~~+
"Red Cloud" <mmdi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd681865-11dd-459c...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Hope
I thought you just said you were raised in America. Are you an
American or not? It's not a hard question.
Red Cloud
You don't like that I'm 100% pure mongol siberian race?
You don't like that I speak two non-European tongues?
> To roo.I speak rike roo rook..so this make me rook rike roo..
> Roo are rivin in America..home of The Brave rand of the Free..but why roo
> talk rike roo are stupid..??? Roo must have some brain to get to here from
> there..Butt still roo talk nd act rike
> roo are Rude&Crude..
>
> Wayne George tsc
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~+
>
> "Red Cloud" <mmdir2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Wayne George
I don't ryke about roo...is roo carry desease of 'racism'..
nd roo spread it around ryke roo have no 'respect' for mankind or
womankind..!!!
Roo probably infect other riving creatures in roo house the riv wit roo..!!!
Roo probably infect Mexican gardner next door..!!!
Howeber wrong I am on all else..
Roo are nd will always be..a sillree rittle person..
Nd everee time roo open roo mouth..roo prove me correct..!!!!!!!!
Wayne George tsc
~~~~~~~~~~~~+
"Red Cloud" <mmdi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1af7512-3830-45b2...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
blut...@gmail.com
>
> I saw that there used to be a video of you giving the finger to a
> participant at the 2005 Draft EIS meeting. That must have made you a
> celebrity of sorts, eh? I read that many Makah did not share your
> views. I read about how some Makah killed a whale with a machine
> gun. What kind of "traditional rights" is that? Were people supposed
> to just be fine with that *only because* those who did it were
> Indian? ANYONE who did that--even the most White people on the
> planet--would incur the wrath of many, many people. But I'm sure you
> can't conceive of that. It HAD to be about racism. EVERYTHING is in
> your reality.
>
> Yet I read that you yourself once wrote,
>
> >>"Responsible individuals will eradicate hate. We must find the strength
> >>within ourselves to halt racism at the moment it happens. It won't be
> >>easy.
>
> >>A friend says that "stop the hate" may be too threatening to some people.
> >>She recomments a change to "start the love." Huggy stuff. That is where
> >>the healing of our community will begin."
>
> >>Monica J Charles
>
"Somewhere over the rainbow" what a song!
Aloha Hope, a good friend of mine was nominated for a Nobel Prize a
few years ago for her work
in NDN Country. We were sitting at the kitchen table once and out of
the blue she asked me for
my definition of "Hope". I thought for a while, actually I though for
quite a while. she was the kind
of person who you never wanted to sound like a fool with. Not to
impress no, just not to sound like
you were never listening. I said "Hope is the possibility for goodness
sake" Her response surprised me some
and I smile and treasure in the remembering.
Monica now calls LL white? that almost a comic with that one truly!
because Monica your not fit to wipe the mud
off that woman's boots! Her credentials speak for themselves here and
Monica will just never measure up that is part
of your problem. Monica is NO leader in her community not by a long
shot! That is why she has so much time to
sit starring at a monitor all day spewing HATE like she does. She
ought to listen to than many many people who have
by her own admission been advising her to change her ways. But no,
Monica is too damn lazy and comfortable hating to even try
to right herself.
I am not surprised one bit Monica is attacking LL it is just
incredibly sad is all, with her track record of badgering good people
it wont be long before
LL and others go silent once again. Monica hates anybody who actually
can add positively to Alt Native.
Monica has only been on Alt Native a few short years relatively
speaking, otherwise she would not be making such blind ignorant
statements.
"Somewhere over the rainbow"? Racism sucks Monica! more than the life
out of people, your spirit suffers in the worst of way's.
I hope you learn sooner than later and work on your wellness.
Hope
wrote:
>
> "Somewhere over the rainbow" what a song!
> Aloha Hope, a good friend of mine was nominated for a Nobel Prize a
> few years ago for her work
> in NDN Country. We were sitting at the kitchen table once and out of
> the blue she asked me for
> my definition of "Hope". I thought for a while, actually I though for
> quite a while. she was the kind
> of person who you never wanted to sound like a fool with. Not to
> impress no, just not to sound like
> you were never listening. I said "Hope is the possibility for goodness
> sake" Her response surprised me some
> and I smile and treasure in the remembering.
That kind of memory is true riches. And it was indeed a very good
answer. *S*
>
> Monica now calls LL white? that almost a comic with that one truly!
Well, I think Monica was just trying to insult her by comparing her to
me. I was quite open about the fact that I am just a quarter Indian
and look like the English-Irish side of my family and talked about how
much I used to envy my cousins their beautiful darker skin and black
hair. And she was also trying to say that LL had not experienced
racism, so maybe she looked too White--because you know, she believes
only Whites can be racists.
[...]
> I am not surprised one bit Monica is attacking LL it is just
> incredibly sad is all, with her track record of badgering good people
> it wont be long before
> LL and others go silent once again.
We don't have to let that happen. We can agree to hold the space for
positive things and true and respectful interaction among equals. We
can refuse to be herded out like inferior cattle. Why should one rule
many?
>Monica hates anybody who actually
> can add positively to Alt Native.
I actually think Monica would be very happy to be the only female here
and have a small but devoted band of disciples eager to think as she
tells them to. Sort of like a cult. *LOL* It's really a pretty
common scenario among insecure females. They don't want anyone around
who could be perceived by anyone as even the tiniest bit of
competition--and that pretty much means any other female on the
planet. Sadly, the "competing" is usually only in that person's mind.
> Monica has only been on Alt Native a few short years relatively
> speaking, otherwise she would not be making such blind ignorant
> statements.
> "Somewhere over the rainbow"? Racism sucks Monica! more than the life
> out of people, your spirit suffers in the worst of way's.
> I hope you learn sooner than later and work on your wellness.
Don't hold your breath. But let's not give up hope either. :-)