Makah Tribal Whaling - whats its about then?
The Greenwood is Magic
Tribal voice:
http://tsewhitzen.blogspot.com/
I respectfully suggest that its time to stop allowing the anti whalers
to dominate, control and hide behind realities such as Indymedia,
Hippy raves, Convoy, etc etc etc. Thse people play some very very
scurrelous games. You 'people' try and break my medicene using any
scurrelous tactics including using masonic satanic child abuse
triggers, to send me into pyscological implosion, so that you 'win' in
the house. Pathetic. You'll never ever ever win a medicene war against
the First Nation of America, plastic egoisers. Have some respect.
F'ing aryan clowns.
The Greenwood is Magic
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Monica etc. I would say from my experience of being in solidarity with
you that these idiots are channelling the masonic ritual child abuse
virus in their harrasment campaign...I mean particularly in terms of
the 'medicene' they are (mis) using...as I said..in terms of my
personnal type reality, they try and break my solidarity with you and
thus the real NA medicene and by this process somehow 'take' the event
in terms of group consciousness (hippy type raves). They *think* they
are doing 'good work' by doing this, BUT they are merely channelling
the ritual child abuse virus...and creating a plastic devoid of all
real magic events/happening. Thus no real magic/medicene at these
events, just ego *expletive*. They think that the Dalai Lama's
endorsement, for example, of Watson, the SS allows them to do this, to
play any tactics to allow them to 'break' any competing 'medicene'.
However all they are doing is creating real negative karma for
themselves. Its very rare for them to be able to do this to me by the
way, and I soon come back on centre. (recall one would be taking real
'medicene' type drugs at these events, which as well as potentially
opening doorways to the occult, also give a certain pyscological
vunerabilty). Now however I've given up attending these events because
(being a wizard/shammanic type person), when at these events, taking
medicene type drugs, I go into an occult trance and channel communal
consciousness etc to people..and I am not prepared to do this with
animal rights extremists in the house. Either they get subject to
spiritual purification, and cease to be anti Makah racists, or I wont
do any work. I've absolutely had it up to here with these fucking
wankers.
I think that turning the tactics these idiots use back against them is
appropriate...thus the use of direct action is sound..in particular
towards the propagandists who influence the consciousness of the
youth. Thus sabatarge their machines/vehicles. Graffetti up their
homes/workplaces etc. etc etc.
MAKAH TRIBAL SOVEREIGNTY!
The Greenwood is Magic
A tactic they REALLY hate is snitching on their drug dealers...dealers
that are in with the animal rights extremists scene. Snitching to the
community and/or (depending on circumstances) the cops.
Are the venues that this crowd use (hippy ravers/AR extremist
politicos) use aware that they are housing racist animal rights
extremists? - perhaps they should be!
Are the local authorities/state/countys aware that they might well be
funding/assisting in any way racist animal rights extremists?
How about pushing Native American campaigns, including Makah Tribal
whaling? What about a local resource action venue events music workers
co-op - with an overt solidarity stance for indigenous people
including the Makah? - instead of the animal rights hegmony, as is the
reality with this local council funded venue:
Remember that the hardcore AR people/propagandists are like religious
fundimentalists, true believers in their cause..and they will never
willingly give up territory, so tactics must be hardcore.
Think about training up physically and learning martial arts. The AR
hardcore racists can be very violent. They 'know' remember..and you as
a whalers are the enerny/scum type thing. Hardcore defence might well
be appropriate against these racist headcases. I personally got ultra
fit in the Himalayas this year, and am training up still, easily the
fittest I've been in my life (at the age of 47) and it feels good!
Next is the martial arts training, which I could do with anyway for
other situations.
brad herschel
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horses.
twofeathers
twofeathers
have you ever seen the study of the population of the whales that are
being killed? i bet not, they have been killed at such a rate that the
species has a very low population and it would not take much to make
them extinct. is that what you are aiming for extinction of a species?
i have always been for indian rights but is it a right to make a
species extinct? i think not.
The Greenwood is Magic
No. Its a completely different occult/magic basis for the act. I can
assure you of that m8. The red coat type blightyscum foxhunt is
definitely anti Mother Earth/sound occult/tribal sovereignty type
ritual abuse...it has a community wide influence in rural wales and
England, and is a negation of genuine, sound occult awareness by the
people. Makah tribal whaling is actually probably Creator give away -
if you know anything about old school type Native American occult. Its
definitly NOT ritual abuse - the oppossite.
Oh another factor. I did notice some interesting stuff in India this
year about many of the Brahman priests (Hindu and Jain)...many
actually know who I am from my work here etc. They are actually I
think one of the primary drivers of the anti whaling racist
trip...definitly the occult games they were plying were reflected by
the sort of analysis delinitated above as regards trying to skitz out
(pyscological implosion rather than collective channel of magic) the
channel in solidarity with America's first nation traditionals by any
scurrelous means, channelling any old shit including masonic ritual
child abuse to 'break' the pro NA whaling type shamman (in terms of
magical practitioner) and then 'we win' type thing. Definitly. The
egoising wankers seem to think that they have something to teach
Native American tribal people! Incredible egoisers. Interestingly, as
least as far as the Hindu paradigm pirests are concerned, the Hindu
religion as it is today, was basically made by the Aryan European
invaders several hundred years ago - i.e. the Brahman priest caste
system racist ritual abuse act.
I posted this to the rainbow tribe website (I still live in hope that
you guys will drop all the plastic type shammanic bullshit that you
do!) - what do you call the gathering (site) police?...shanti shena or
something - those wankers in India are basically enforcers of the
racist ritual abuse order - extreme fascist scum. Its racist ritual
abuse perversion of original pre aryan folk hindu and indigenous
magic, including the Dravidian religion...the indigenous people of
India being dark skinned. It places white skin as 'high caste', and
says that ''if you are a good little cunt of low caste cretin, then
next time round you will be reborn in a higher caste'' (with whiter
skin). Ie. racist ritual abuse.
This sort of bullshit (rainbow tribe activities and practicies) was
perhaps excusable back in the early 1970's when the gatherings
consisted of 20 year olds and the like. But now the original 20 year
olds are older, and realisations should have been made about all the
sort of things I describe here..but no, the kids games become a fixed
religion, and thus turns into seriously plastic anti-medicene with no
real power, with no community wide effect.
Sorry anywhay, what did you say...something about Makah whaling. Now
there we have it again. Who the fucking hell do you think you are to
tell Native American traditionals what is right of wrong, you egoising
aryan cunt? (laughter). Honestly, these wankers.
The Greenwood is Magic
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The racist propagandists are definitely the correct target. I just had
yet another pro Makah Whaling post deleted from UK Indymedia...and its
not just a matter of the foculisation on a material level in the youth
activist scene of their racist hegmony, but also a matter of energy/
magic. They want their plastic ritual abuse mechanism to dominate and
win 'in the house'.
WANKERS
The Greenwood is Magic
The Makah know what they are doing.
The Greenwood is Magic
You're another 'rainbow tribe' imitation plastic aryan 'native
american, I wager sir.
spiritrising
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you just wish i was so you could proclaim such
The Greenwood is Magic
No. All this is very very tiring, overgrown children.
The Greenwood is Magic
Oh dear anyway - apolgies alt.native for cross posting this thread to
alt.gathering.rainbow
Those silly fuckers will never change.
The Greenwood is Magic
Monica
There was a big part of Makah Whaling that was spiritual warfare. It
was racist. A lot of local whites were recruited into wicca and
satanism. Michael Kundu used to keep a Makah whaling diary on his
covens internet site. It was very racist. He organized covens around
the world to do their work on the Makah and other Indians like me. He
wrote their chants. Kundu was information director for seashepherd. He
erased his internet tracks when he ran for office. Funny thing is
Kundu is half white and half East Indian. Yet he is very racist.
Seashepherd did take a lot of people who were on a real spiritual
quest down a wrong path. They brought into wicca the same racist
attitudes they had in christianity. They think they need to control
everyone and everything. They don't believe in free will. They are
punks.
Monica
Gray whales are not endangered. It was WHITE yankee whalers that
hunted them to near extinction not Indians. It was the racist white
mentality that allowed them to do that. The Makah voluntarily stopped
hunting gray whales when white whalers decimated their population.
When gray whale numbers rebounded the Makah got ready to hunt. Have
you ever noticed that others go to jail for their "direct actions" but
not watson? Just an observation. They are always doing their punk
little ceremonies trying to hurt us. Even today when there is no
whaling. The issue was always racism. It was never about saving whales.
Monica
So Mike Two Feathers and spiritrising are the same person. Funny.
The Greenwood is Magic
Yeah, that was definitly something that some Hindu priests had picked
up on, which possibly is why that geezer is like that.
There was an element that did try and fuck me up on the magic/
spiritual level when I was in India. A very different trip from last
time I was there 9 years ago. Its a sort of egotism that often happens
with religion I think...as in ''we have the prescription for the
entire world'' type thing. When on this case they kept trying to push
buttons in me to the extent that it creates a pyskic wound, and that
wound then can 'let the sea sheppard' through type thing - through
into ones pyscology I mean and then the anti whaling hegmony 'wins'
the group/party/beach/etc reality - thats the game they seek to
play...whilst at the same time sending the pro Makah whaling shamman
type person in2 imposion/skitz out. That was definitly the game that
element sort to play on the Goa beaches....But what they didn't really
realise initially anyway is that they really were channelling the
masonic ritual child abuse virus, in order to create that 'wound'.
They do now I think. Haha. They really are that naive..the wierd thing
about Hinduism...there is no real 'street scene'...everyone in their
separate spiritual realities, presumably depending upon ones 'caste'.
It was like the ultimate single issue obsessive trip seeing these anti
whaler type people there. Like their religion they think teaches them
not to kill animals, and so all whaling anywhere in the world must be
evil, and anyone campaigning for the Makah must be 'taken out'. Mad.
In Islamic culture everyone knows about the ritual child abuse case,
and who I am, and they know its true...there is no way on earth they
would play the sort of games that some of the Hindus were playing.
End of story. Respect is given. (and I think that the reason for this
is the aryan white supremisist, anti tribal racist nature of the Hindu
mainstream). By the way, in the Tibetan Buddhist areas the priests
did not in any way at all give this sort of malicious vibration...but
some of the youth were under the influence of the Hindu priest type
anti Makah whaling mob it has to be said. They were obsessed with
trying to 'win' this medicene war type thing..using very very spiky
tactics. SERIOUS psycological/spiritual violence...and these headcases
claim to be into non violence! I mean what the fuk is it to people in
India what Native Americans do, and then to get TOTALLY on the foking
case?! Mad! It wasn't everyone of course, just a few, but these few
were very determined, and that would include a few Hindu priests...and
on the Goa tourist especially hippy beaches, the crew there sought to
play the sort of games I describe here - to 'take' the 'site' for the
racist anti whalers, and thus to create a plastic hippy heaven..all
contained within their 'punter' game. Obviously we dont want a sharing
reality happen - punters mean prizes. (sick).
Hectic trip. I was planning to spend the time in the Tibetan Himalayas
area, and did spend 1 month solo hiking doing around 200 km, carrying
a 40 kilo rucksack over up to a 5000 meter pass. Including this one:
http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/India/North/Himachal_Pradesh/Suraj_Taal/photo695116.htm
..that picture is actually just down from the col. I spent two days
at Baralaca La. Wow. Thinking about it. The snow capped mountains are
all around, its like a bubble, the Mother Earth sky channel.
Incredible experience actually..doing free range Sadu ritual (such as
doing magic to Free Leonard Peltier) at sacred sites..such as the
mountain cols...but as I said before the weather was lunatic...thats
how I ended up bumming round lowland India, the party beaches and the
like. It was different in many ways in the tourist areas. Away from
those areas I could carry Charras (cannabis resin) with no fear...and
was regarded as a Sadu by the cops, and the test being in fact a
magical one...pysikally open, religious telepathic type thing..but in
the tourist areas..not the same vibration at all.
The Greenwood is Magic
Yeah, god didn't realise that. These idiots do love to play games...to
try and blag your pyscology, to try and blag you into their trip. Two
Feather/whatever - you are a fucking idiot m8. There are plenty of
these k00k city type people here in the UK. The worst of them react
thus when I talk about the ritual child abuse stuff; "oh god, thats
really negative (man)...I better go and re-balance" and then, tone
turning patronising, "I'll come back and visit you again Jim". To
which I say "stay away from me and my property". End
At least the rainbow fluffbunny type are not physically violent. The
politico activists can be very nasty. I've been beaten up (when off me
head on brew and unable to defend myself) a couple of times by the
punk/politico type animal rights extremists. Yes really. Simply for
being in solidarity with the Makah. They are that obsessive/ill. "oh
no hes a whale killer" type thing..and thus the AR hegmony says "he is
scum"...and yes I do think also that there is the white supremisist
type ritual abuse force driving this harrasment.
Now I see why Leonard Peltier gave me that incredible painting!
..which in turn leads to the point: where do these racist wankers get
off?,..and why arn't they being dealt with? Why are they being allowed
to control the activist/protest/hippy scene/activist portals like UK
Indymedia? Come on now, how about some First Nation of America
solidarity! Lets get a little more hardcore with these idiots.
brad herschel
but racist. Most very liberal and tolerant.
Please don't "go Black" and start calling everything "racist".
zayton
There are whale species which had declined to the point at which extinction
was a danger; but I don't believe that the species hunted by the Makah is
endangered.
Also, restrictions on whaling have led to significant increases in the
populations of most if not all species about which there was a concern ten
to twenty years ago.
The Greenwood is Magic
Some are overtly racist, other are channelling (ritual abuse
generated) racism through ignorance and ego.
The Greenwood is Magic
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:35:40 -0800 (PST), The Greenwood is Magic
> of maturity on this thread, I fear for the first persons of the world, and
> whales.
For a start, The Dalhi Lama needs to know this awareness. I live in
hope that he'll break through the drongo net that surrounds him and
interact with the real world through portals such as usenet.
The Greenwood is Magic
But thats not the point (man), the point is that 'whale killers' are
scum (man) (irony)
spiritrising
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gray whales were on the endangered list till 95 the only thing that
saved them was laws put into place to protect them, they are still a
protected species for a reason.
spiritrising
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well yeah if ya like but the email never changed, so ya have a problem
with that twinkie?
spiritrising
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i am not a fuckin rainbow either and this rainbow forum knows it since
i have been saying it since the beginning. try again. peltier needs to
hust give up the ghost and save people the trouble of killing him.
spiritrising
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the western pacific gray was on the list till 95 and is still a
protected species since they number only about 100 individuals as of
this post. if you think that is a lot of whales, you would only have
to look at the east coast where there is over 20,000 individuals, two
distinct tribes, let monica and her buttlickers go there to kill one.
spiritrising
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any whale killer is scum! man or woman or slug
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wanker
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oh shut up cretin
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twofeathers
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no they surely won't as most of them are full of crap
twofeathers
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wanker licker
twofeathers
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you don't read your own shit do ya? you might want to try that
twofeathers
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the 'dalhi lama' who is that? some offshoot of the "dalia lama"? very
interesting, tell us about it. is he a yellow hat as well? does he
have his own country that is different than the current dalia lama?
The Greenwood is Magic
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:48:01 -0800 (PST), The Greenwood is Magic
Well that should change. His reality is in many ways created by the
information/awareness that is passed onto him by minions. I think pro
Makah is the stance morally, but also in terms of achieving the result
of Tibetan sovereignty. Not just Makah Tribe solidarity...but Native
Americans in general. (rather than the mainstream game that is being
played at the moment). And it wouold really annoy the Chinese
government. :)
The Greenwood is Magic
You're an animal rights extremist single issue obsessive arn't you?
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..in fact yes, your not a 'rainbow' - (sorry Monica etc, I've been out
of the loop of alt.native for a while), I assumed you were due to the
blag Native American name that you use (two feathers). you're a
hardcore animal rights extremist here to hassle Monica etc. I wouldn't
be suprised if you've done so called Animal Liberation Front (ALF)
type actions. You're an ALF type psy op. Thus this idiot will not have
any regard for any truth, he thinks no animals should be killed
anywhere on the earth, he has no respect whatsoever for Native
American tribal reality, he thinks he knows the absolute truth. He is
coming from the viewpoint of arrogant, racist, Aryan fascism. He needs
to learn respect for the indigenous people of America. He will learn
respect - sooner or later.
The Greenwood is Magic
He will use any blag, game, lie or ploy because he thinks his ends
justify the means. He is like a harcore religious evanjalist - i.e. an
idiot. An egoising aryan idiot. But he will learn. One way or another.
Ayin
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whales are intelligent and emotional creatures. killing them for
sport, product or "magic" is simply immoral and i don't give
a shit what tribe you belong to. if the strength of your tribal
identity
is dependent on the blood sacrifice of beautiful intelligent creatures
then your tribal Id is obsolete and weak.
Sanity
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That sounds right to me. If they whale for food giving thanks to
their prey that's another matter entirely.
I don’t know if fungi are “intelligent and emotional,” but mycelium
sure looks like brain tissue under a scanning electron microscope…
Hmm, I wonder what carrots ‘think’ about that issue.
zayton
Actually, they have always been exempted from the ban on hunting endangered
or protected species.
The Greenwood is Magic
The Mother Earth is intellegent..we eat her products..give thanks.
The Greenwood is Magic
Its not a blood sacrifice you fucking idiot! BUT it may well be
Creator 'give away'..as per the old school native american occult
reality.
The Greenwood is Magic
Tribal/indigenous people have knoledge of living sanely on Mother
Earth that we could do well to have respect for...thats what I mean.
Its also tribal in the sense that the whale products are shared within
the tribe. Thus elders are fed instead of being left to rot on the
streets (if they have no money), like in 'Hindu' India. 'Hindu' rather
than Hindu because of the perversion of original Hindu reality by the
Aryan invaders, as I was saying earlier on in the thread. (making the
racist ritual abuse caste Brahman system.) Time really is running out
for survival on planet earth...I suggest that in fact people like
Indymedia UK censors should be promoting Makah beliefs rather than
this hate/diss out campaign. These f'ing animal rights extremists,
honestly. They always try and take over any senario with their
fundimentalist nonsense.
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..and they choose to stop the tribal (Makah) whalehunt due to the near
extinction of grey whales by commercial whalers in 1920.
Monica
Now that's a ss lie. There are too many gray whales. The environment
can't carry their current numbers. They were beaching themselves
because they were starving to death. Their carcasses were so skinny.
One time I was driving through Olympia. People were lined up on the
fourth street bridge watching a gray whale. That shows how hungry they
were. They don't venture that far inland. It's more humane for them to
starve to death than take their chances at the end of a harpoon.
You're vegan right? It's our teaching that every day something gives
up it's life that you might live. Even green life. They have
intelligence and consciousness too. White man thinks he's the only one
that thinks. LOL!
Monica
Does that include Killer Whales?
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ya mean to tell me this dehli lama is an animal? go figure
twofeathers
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i'm more like the guy who sits 1100yds away and shoots within the
circle the size of a quarter, i did enjoy working with elf for a while
when i was younger, but alf just sucks. since i know your not a human
your up for a kill shot if you get caught in the woods during hunting
season.
twofeathers
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that should read hindi not hindu, seems the most invaders were from
the fringes of europe...hey wait that is where your from, oh i see
talking about your self
twofeathers
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so tell me about how many PACIFIC gray whales there are then, since
you know so much, don't tell me about atlantic gray whales either. i
still have doubts about your so called tribe even being a tribe. more
like a big mixture of whites it seems if a person was to look at the
history of that area. i would love to see a person take a piece of
blubber and actually eat it and nothing else. lol
Monica
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:13:17 -0800 (PST), The Greenwood is Magic
> any other sentient beings. He asked Tibetans not to wear animal skins so as
> not to support of the unnecessary killing of animals. The Tibetans have
> done as he asked. He has also spoken out against Hindu animal sacrifice
> during their pujas. So, in general, don't look to him for his support in
> that particular matter of yours although I'm sure he would support other
> areas of first nation cultural identity.
Does that mean you think we have to give up our buckskin dresses.
White men are not in the loop. You have nothing to say about what we
wear or what we eat. It's the white man that has endangered species
around the world. You need to clean up your own act and your own back
yard.
Monica
Well white man. You should have come to the feast. Why are you wearing
red paint in your photo. If it was Traditional red paint and you had
the right to wear it, the photo wouldn't have taken.
Monica
> Tibetan. Ok, the 'white man' and the 'yellow man' and the 'red man' and the
> 'black man' have endangered animal species, how will your killing of
> animals help those species? Everyone must shoulder the blame for our
> present state and act to rectify it. 'You' are using a computer which has
> been made from resources through the exploitation of the planet and,
> partly, the decimation of many cultures. 'You' are eating food that's been
> transported by oil burning vehicles. What are 'you' going to do about it.
> If you hadn't realized, 'we' are all in this together. It's a 'we' thing.
> 'We' stand or 'we' fall. Time for 'us' and 'them' to drop out of the
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The only thing the white man wants to share is blame.
spiritrising
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:23:53 -0800 (PST), Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tibetan. Ok, the 'white man' and the 'yellow man' and the 'red man' and the
> 'black man' have endangered animal species, how will your killing of
> animals help those species? Everyone must shoulder the blame for our
> present state and act to rectify it. 'You' are using a computer which has
> been made from resources through the exploitation of the planet and,
> partly, the decimation of many cultures. 'You' are eating food that's been
> transported by oil burning vehicles. What are 'you' going to do about it.
> If you hadn't realized, 'we' are all in this together. It's a 'we' thing.
> 'We' stand or 'we' fall. Time for 'us' and 'them' to drop out of the
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hey my food is transported by foot, its a guy who pushes a cart
actually four different guys who come down my street! anything from
meat to veggies to fruit.
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some of the killer whale species are on the endangered list as well,
so to address that i would have to know which of the four species you
speak of. and since you may know how they look just discribing it can
let me know which species you speak of. ruffles(j1) (j tells you which
pod he is in) is almost 60 years old and travels in the north west
region. i will tell you tho that puget sounds is concidered a critical
habitat for killer whales and since there are 3 pods that frequent
that area and are on the endangered list, the federal government
monitors it.
spiritrising
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you mean all the 1/2 or 3/4 whites in the makah tribe? more white than
ndn. and these are some sick people that they used to dig up their
dead before the hunt and traditionaly will wear the deads bones on the
hunt and as far as grey whales go there is very little that can be
eaten, this tribe would traditionly hunt the humpback which actually
had something to eat in it, but the grey is more blubber which is only
used for oil. but wait what monica doesn't tell you is what they do
with the whale once it is killed.... they make money off it up to the
tune of 500,000/1,000,000 dollars per whale from sales to japan and
norway. its all about money not food. and since they are the almost
the sole provider of whale carcass's they rape the pockets of those
that buy whale products. if and when this tribe actually use all the
whale like it used to then maybe it can validate its hunt. but just to
make money its not a hunt but a kill for profit no different than the
whites did in their whaling boats. i can tell you don't know much of
whats actually happening.
spiritrising
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actually They were volunteered from hunting whales by both the U.S.
Endangered Species Act, and the International Whaling Commission. they
had to stop their baby seal hunt where they used a club to kill baby
seals for fur, and you can bet that they didn't use the fur for
themselves, it was again all about money.selling them on the open
market. things that are not mentioned anymore since they were stopped
from doing it. its all about money
twofeathers
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archived
twofeathers
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if you say so white woman! lol hows it feel to kill animals for
profit? ya mean the native south american from brazil? its just one of
those i helped down here...ya jealous i didn't make any money on
helping him? i bet ya are. i haven't been to pow wow for a long time,
don't like wearing skins and don't like wearing my bonnet either, nor
paint, i'm too old for those games, i leave that to youngers. there is
only one picture of me that is even on the web, and i can bet you sure
haven't seen it, as it is passworded, and i sure didn't even like it
being taken either. only other pictures out there in this world is my
military photo and my drivers license photo and passport and fbi photo
they took in 73. no others even exist. have fun with that one. and
that fellas paint is what he wears everyday in the jungle by the way.
and unfortunate for you is the fact that many blackfoot wear paint and
and roaches have not only pictures taken but also videos at pow wow
now-a-days. in my time i have even wore paint at dances as required by
tradition, i bet you can't even tell me how to wear an animal robe the
right way. so have a terrible day white woman
short clip of blackfeet dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIuIyPiGDOI&feature=related
and then a makaw dance, notice all the white kids thats about all you
people are just whites???? how funny! sooooo traditional for sure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huuCjS1T1KY&feature=related
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buckskin for makaw's????? caught ya! the makaw woman's tradional
clothing was made from grass or chewed or pounded red cedar bark, the
men usually wore nothing or a breech clouts made from animal or seal
skin or ceder during warm weather. and in cold weather the men wore
rush weeds and sometimes furs from bears and baby seals and moccasins
made from those same animals only during the winter months. so where
do you get off saying your tribe wears traditional buckskin of the
other tribes? it seems you don't even know your own damn history but
proclaim so much. haven't you been in your own tribes museum? do you
really think you can sit there and lie and not get caught? it wasn't
till the white man came around that they even got blankets for their
shoulders, and speak of the devil i found it online and it shows what
i say is true! the makaw white tribes museum. i like the look of those
reed hats! fuggin makaws idea of a headress was a basket hat made
from spruce roots, i saw where most of their hand made blankets were
made from fur shaved or plucked off of dogs they kept, your funny
white woman!
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cmpweb/exhibits/makah/index.html
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cmpweb/exhibits/makah/clothing.html
zayton
Are you sure of your facts here?
It was ny understanding that their treaty rights exempted them from the
provisions of these laws, and that their decision to refrain from hunting
for a period of time was entirely voluntary.
The Greenwood is Magic
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> >> >On Jan 2, 12:30 am, Free Tibet Now <Free.Ti...@autonomy.now.> wrote:
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> >> >> >On Jan 1, 4:16 pm, spiritrising <miketwofeath...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > On Jan 1, 3:13 pm, twofeathers <miketwofeath...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > > I respectfully suggest that its time to stop allowing the anti whalers
> >> >> >> > > > to dominate, control and hide behind realities such as Indymedia,
> >> >> >> > > > Hippy raves, Convoy, etc etc etc. Thse people play some very very
> >> >> >> > > > scurrelous games. You 'people' try and break my medicene using any
> >> >> >> > > > scurrelous tactics including using masonic satanic child abuse
> >> >> >> > > > triggers, to send me into pyscological implosion, so that you 'win' in
> >> >> >> > > > the house. Pathetic. You'll never ever ever win a medicene war against
> >> >> >> > > > the First Nation of America, plastic egoisers. Have some respect.
> >> >> >> > > > F'ing aryan clowns.
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> >> >> >> > > have you ever seen the study of the population of the whales that are
> >> >> >> > > being killed? i bet not, they have been killed at such a rate that the
> >> >> >> > > species has a very low population and it would not take much to make
> >> >> >> > > them extinct. is that what you are aiming for extinction of a species?
> >> >> >> > > i have always been for indian rights but is it a right to make a
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> >> >> >No. All this is very very tiring, overgrown children.
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> >> >> If crossposting to talk.politics.tibet is an indication of everyone's level
> >> >> of maturity on this thread, I fear for the first persons of the world, and
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> >> >For a start, The Dalhi Lama needs to know this awareness. I live in
> >> >hope that he'll break through the drongo net that surrounds him and
> >> >interact with the real world through portals such as usenet.
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> >> Unfortunately His Holiness doesn't read this newsgroup.
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> >Well that should change. His reality is in many ways created by the
> >information/awareness that is passed onto him by minions. I think pro
> >Makah is the stance morally, but also in terms of achieving the result
> >of Tibetan sovereignty. Not just Makah Tribe solidarity...but Native
> >Americans in general. (rather than the mainstream game that is being
> >played at the moment). And it wouold really annoy the Chinese
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> I don't think you would have His Holiness' support for killing whales or
> any other sentient beings. He asked Tibetans not to wear animal skins so as
> not to support of the unnecessary killing of animals. The Tibetans have
> done as he asked. He has also spoken out against Hindu animal sacrifice
> during their pujas. So, in general, don't look to him for his support in
> that particular matter of yours although I'm sure he would support other
> areas of first nation cultural identity.
..in his reality, his current belief system. Respect should be given
to Native American traditionals, inlcuding the Makah for very very
good reasons. Its not just the Makah out of the Native Americans that
do whaling, its an issue thats supported by the vast majority of
Native Americans. Its actually very sound...read their website, and
Monicas wesbsite (URL's given at the start of the thread). Red
Monica's website from the bottom of the page up. The Makah belief
system is as valid as His Holiness's and HH should have respect for
this. You might believe that no animals should be killed, BUT respect
should be given to Native American traditonals. Period. (because its
fucking sound belief system!). Furthermore I can't believe that this
issue has turning into such a big deal in my reality, initially simply
because idiots like the Indymedia UK censors/moderations and people
like the Brighton based Schnews writers have created a didn't like me
posting pro Makah stuff on the newswire. They are obbessed, loony
headcases, constantly projecting their hegmony onto me, the group, any
group. Egoising aryan headcases! They don't have a clue. By the way a
lot of these activist/protestor type forums and publications also have
(as part of the standard hegmony of 'beliefs') a pro Maoist editorial
stance. HH is helping to drive race hate in the anti Makah whaling
field. He really does need to have a wider awareness, not just on this
issue by the way. Makah whaling is sound as part of their belief
system. He needs to know this, he needs to know the sort of ploys,
games and nritual abuse that Makah anti whalers are doing. Time is
running out for life on earth. We need to have respect for Mother
Earth - as Native American traditionals teach.
The Greenwood is Magic
You dont have respect for Native American traditionals. You think that
your fucking up belief system is superior to theirs...and yet such is
your egotisical delusion, that you have the cheek to call yourself by
a Native American blag name!
The Greenwood is Magic
GO AND READ THE MAKAH TRIBE WEBSITE EGOISER.
The Greenwood is Magic
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:23:53 -0800 (PST), Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tibetan. Ok, the 'white man' and the 'yellow man' and the 'red man' and the
> 'black man' have endangered animal species, how will your killing of
> animals help those species? Everyone must shoulder the blame for our
> present state and act to rectify it. 'You' are using a computer which has
> been made from resources through the exploitation of the planet and,
> partly, the decimation of many cultures. 'You' are eating food that's been
> transported by oil burning vehicles. What are 'you' going to do about it.
> If you hadn't realized, 'we' are all in this together. It's a 'we' thing.
> 'We' stand or 'we' fall. Time for 'us' and 'them' to drop out of the
> conversation.
Monica was talking to 'two feathers' (sick)
The Greenwood is Magic
> truth is you'll suffer the same fate as the rest of us. Get over it.
Fool! False debate!
The Greenwood is Magic
..any blag, ploy or game. You're just blatently lying because you
belief the ends justify the means. I know exactly where you guys are
coming from dude. I know the activist scene very very well...with all
its incestuous reality and egotistical self belief...the animal rights
extremists in particular. You are out of order matey. Direct action is
appropriate as I said before.
The Greenwood is Magic
Truth isn't the point for animal rights extremists - they are like
fundimentalist religious freeks. Any blag, ploy or game withi n the
context of 'ends justifying the means'. Its a pointless debate. Direct
action is appropriate.
The Greenwood is Magic
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> > > > I respectfully suggest that its time to stop allowing the anti whalers
> > > > to dominate, control and hide behind realities such as Indymedia,
> > > > Hippy raves, Convoy, etc etc etc. Thse people play some very very
> > > > scurrelous games. You 'people' try and break my medicene using any
> > > > scurrelous tactics including using masonic satanic child abuse
> > > > triggers, to send me into pyscological implosion, so that you 'win' in
> > > > the house. Pathetic. You'll never ever ever win a medicene war against
> > > > the First Nation of America, plastic egoisers. Have some respect.
> > > > F'ing aryan clowns.
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> > > have you ever seen the study of the population of the whales that are
> > > being killed? i bet not, they have been killed at such a rate that the
> > > species has a very low population and it would not take much to make
> > > them extinct. is that what you are aiming for extinction of a species?
> > > i have always been for indian rights but is it a right to make a
> > > species extinct? i think not.
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> > hunted them to near extinction not Indians. It was the racist white
> > mentality that allowed them to do that. The Makah voluntarily stopped
> > hunting gray whales when white whalers decimated their population.
> > When gray whale numbers rebounded the Makah got ready to hunt. Have
> > you ever noticed that others go to jail for their "direct actions" but
> > not watson? Just an observation. They are always doing their punk
> > little ceremonies trying to hurt us. Even today when there is no
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Stop bullshitting. Read and have some respect for this. You claim to
be an environmentalist...and have done so called 'ELF' actions and the
like. For a start. Silly boy saying that on this forum. ELF
'membership' makes you a serious terrorist in the eyes of the USA law
enforcement agencies. Second..only idiots do actions under a banner
like ELF or ALF...why promote yourself as being part of a terrorist
organisation, when one doesn't exist! Absolute lunacy. Fit up waiting
to happen. You call yourself by a native american type handle. You
must know something of native american beliefs. You surely must know
what native american traditionals think about Mother Earth and its
rape and abuse by babylon ritual abuse system..and yet, despite all of
this, you refuse to give respect to those self same traditionals and
their reality. Its ego plus state/government programmed racism. Now
listen little boy, stop egoising, stop being a silly prick and have
some respect for native american traditionals and their awareness of
Mother Earth and their practices...they have a very very sound
awareness - an awareness that is outside of the ritual child abuse
programming of western mainstream babylon society...and it is this
energy that you are channelling in your harrasment of native american
traditionals in the form of the Makah whalehunt. You are not doing
'gods work' or saving planet earth or being a genuine environmentalist
in this hate campaign. You are channelling 'the beast' for want of
another description. Now GET THE FUCK OFF ASSHOLE. And have some
respect for Monica, little boy - she's old school 1970's AIM veteran -
an incredible shero!. (American Indian Movement).
oldwifetale
> Monica was talking to 'two feathers' (sick)
Jos B. = Beavis
King Amdo/Greenwood = Butthead
Just trying to keep things in perspective.
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you can't read can you i said elf sucks
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i claim to be an environmentalist\? showme? i claim no such thing. i
have been on some elf excursions but have never claimed such as a
enviromentalist alf sucks elf sucks you suck even worse. if and when
monica becomes a native american being a white person then you can
claim it as well, but you can't claim it as she is still white, monica
is a south african indian princess! lol she ain't crap other than
that
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whats this say? actually They were volunteered from hunting whales
by both the U.S
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i don't have respect for white wannabes and with a tribe that is more
white than anything else thats what they are, to really get a hold on
that tribe go visit it,i have, it will make you feel good to fit in
with folks of the same color as you and then you can play ndn as well
just like they do. it made me feel disgusted just visiting that area
with only whites in attendance.
The Greenwood is Magic
U said you did ELF actions when younger
The Greenwood is Magic
You havn't got a clue mate.
The Greenwood is Magic
Once again
The Greenwood is Magic
Masonic ritual child abuse is no joke Donna.
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Wishing what? Wishing that you and people like you will wake up and
stop harrassing native american whalers instead of using a perverted
form of native american medicene.
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yeah doesn't mean i like them now does it? elf and alf and you suck!
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well since they are WHITE that means all whalers out there on the
oceans are native americans right? NOT none are!
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The issue here is Native American whaling.
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the issue here is whites pretending to be natives and whaling.