A Columbus Story...They Are Not Gods!
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> http://www.twoelkenterprise.com/WCCMp3/A_Columbus_Story_They_Are_Not_...
thank you, richard.
one would think that, just from the spaniards behavior, that they were
not gods.
but judging from the behavior of the judiac/xtian, greco-roman gods,
gods are a surly, unpredictible, needy, greedy lot.
even jesus, would allow "evildoers" into heaven were they baptized and
repent upon the death bed, and those who do good all their lives,with
naught to repent, but unbaptized,would be cast into the bowels of
hell.
or so would all the myths and legends of the plethora of sects have
one believe.
Hope
> On Mar 25, 7:18 am, Flint_Carr...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> > (short audio)
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> >http://www.twoelkenterprise.com/WCCMp3/A_Columbus_Story_They_Are_Not_...
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> thank you, richard.
> one would think that, just from the spaniards behavior, that they were
> not gods.
> but judging from the behavior of the judiac/xtian, greco-roman gods,
> gods are a surly, unpredictible, needy, greedy lot.
Yeah, that tends to happen when we try to create the gods in our
image. ;-p
> even jesus, would allow "evildoers" into heaven were they baptized and
> repent upon the death bed, and those who do good all their lives,with
> naught to repent, but unbaptized,would be cast into the bowels of
> hell.
> or so would all the myths and legends of the plethora of sects have
> one believe.
I don't believe that for a minute. I think someone with the real
"Christ consciousness" would do as the story said and forgive the
thief on the cross, who truly had a change of heart, and tell him he
would be in paradise with him that day, without benefit of baptism or
any sort of "membership" or being voted on by any human "authorities."
Like you, I believe spirituality and religion are two completely
different things.
Red Cloud
Spaniards were surely godly figure in the eye of Maya and Mexican
Indio.
Aztec was probably stun what they saw from Spaniards. But human
sacrificial
ritual was also stunned the Europeans that they had to threat Aztec
and Maya as performing evil doers acts. . The native Indio had no
option but to respect Spaniard out of fear of what they can do with
their armor and the horses.
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Melodious Thunk
> (short audio)
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> http://www.twoelkenterprise.com/WCCMp3/A_Columbus_Story_They_Are_Not_...
These are Puerto Rico stories, and I have no reason to doubt their
sincerity. I have heard far different stories from people of the
Dominican Republic, where "fuc de Colon" (Curse of Columbus) remains a
daily expression.
It does not seem likely that any NDNs would think of the Spanish or
other Europeans as "gods." Perhaps it was so among the Taino, that is
what the audio says. However the Tainos were a people of the water.
They knew all the islands and nearby mainland; mostly importantly,
they knew and traded with the People around them. The peoples of the
Caribbean traded with each other, and with the people of what we now
call the Yucatan and Florida.
All these Tribes had their own names for themselves, usually
translated as the "real People" or something like that. The Taino name
"Jatibonicu" means "great People of the sacred high waters," i.e.
upland people, whom the Spanish named Taino. The Arawak, also a
society of watermen and with whom the Taino traded, called themselves
"Lakono," which translates into "the People." These Tribes knew about
"the Other," i.e. they knew there were people that did not think like
them. NDNs were far more prepared to meet europeans than europeans
were prepared to meet NDNs.
Thinking that Columbus and his people were "gods" makes it hard to
understand how the Taino could have destroyed the Spanish settlement
that Columbus left behind in 1493. The Taino had no hesitation at
destroying the Spanish who were regularly enslaving, raping, and
killing their relatives. I have heard of the "legends" the speakers on
the audio file are referring to, but I suspect that if the Taino, or
any other Tribe, thought the Spanish were prophetically-described
"gods," those thoughts were dispelled within moments... not years.
Flint_...@hotmail.com
Thank You...you defernately know mo bout it den me...
the beginning has some history which you may find valuable...
Mavi Chante Peyim: Haition Documentary 1980, (1 hr audio)
Produced by Generations - Native American Radio
http://www.twoelkenterprise.com/WCCMp3/Mavi_Chante_Peyim_Haitian_Documentary.mp3
Flint_...@hotmail.com
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> Thank You...you defernately know mo bout it den me...
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> the beginning has some history which you may find valuable...
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> Mavi Chante Peyim: Haition Documentary 1980, (1 hr audio)
this is another informative piece, with one of the same people in the
Columbus Story...
Boriquen: Interview w/ Luz Guerra on Puerto Rico
http://www.twoelkenterprise.com/WCCMp3/Boriquen_Interview_with_Luz_Guerra.mp3
Flint_...@hotmail.com
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> this is another informative piece, with one of the same people in the
> Columbus Story...
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> Boriquen: Interview w/ Luz Guerra on Puerto Rico
sorry...fergot to say...diz 1 B 30 mins.
Melodious Thunk
Thanks for both of these. I am listening.
basen...@yahoo.com
> Spaniards were surely godly figure in the eye of Maya and Mexican
> Indio.
> Aztec was probably stun what they saw from Spaniards. But human
> sacrificial
> ritual was also stunned the Europeans that they had to threat Aztec
> and Maya as performing evil doers acts. . The native Indio had no
> option but to respect Spaniard out of fear of what they can do with
> their armor and the horses.
Maybe Koreans worship Americans, but the Spanish weren't gods.
Maybe gods of disease.
BTW, Sora Akai baka da naa! (Okay, I don't speak Korean, but
I know how to say "Red Cloud is an idiot" in Japanese.)
Flint_...@hotmail.com
on da other..."Arawak"...
my favoryte person B...David Campbell...
back inda 70s me had a 544D volvo and rolled all over NDN country
playing his music on my cassette, which i'd copied from
vynal..."VYNAL?!"...
best stuff inna whirl...
My Clothes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ghovRW3qSs
marakakore
http://www.youtube.com/user/marakakore
Flint_...@hotmail.com
another goot one...
Solola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EupKWNDNAVk
favorytz frum da Ooooolllld daze...
Splinters Of The Tree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlG8apwiXzA
The Corn And Potato
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okvA6mOt3zk
Pretty Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBnJIhyzbIQ
Kodid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po_MPMQWxt0
No Not Columbus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-RntEEU90Q
Santiago In September
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsH3PJaNBoI
Lake Of The Eagles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYj685X2GBw
Ojibway Star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY_hqqNnsIU
Flint_...@hotmail.com
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da best by far IMHO B Grandfathers...
Grandfathers - David Campbell
http://www.twoelkenterprise.com/WCCMp3/Grandfathers_Keepers_of_the_Fire_Album_David_Campbell.mp3
which he give me permission to use fer me WinterCamp Chronicles
podcast...
WinterCamp Chronicles Podcast
http://www.twoelkenterprise.com/WinterCampChronicles/
basen...@yahoo.com
> back inda 70s me had a 544D volvo and rolled all over NDN country
> playing his music on my cassette, which i'd copied from
> vynal..."VYNAL?!"...
Vinyl. Or polyvinyl chloride, if you want to be cool.
Back in teh day it was da shit. I grew up with CDs, but you'd be
surprised
how much old music is coming back. (Partially because whatever MTV
says is
'indie' or 'emo' or 'ska' is usually just gimmicky corporate crap. How
exactly someone signed with Sony appearing on MTV and Fuse can be
called
indie is beyond me.) I even use Garage Band to transfer vinyl to my
iPod.
Red Cloud
Maybe you worship ChosenJin or NipponJin. But you know that Mexican do
worship
Spanish. Mexicans have destoryed everything about their native
culture. Only
thing they maintained is the Spaniard left during the colonialism.
Check out
the local Mexican getting marriage ceremony. You are not gonna see
Mexican
people dressed up with ancient Indio custom. What they wore is a cheap
European
Spanish clothes . Yeah Senora and Senorita wear European Clothes. What
a nice
looking European clothes!!! Just kidding hehe:)))
basen...@yahoo.com
> Maybe you worship ChosenJin or NipponJin.
I don't. I just know how to say "Red Cloud is such an idiot." in
Japanese.
> But you know that Mexican do
> worship
> Spanish.
Which is why they revolted.
> Mexicans have destoryed everything about their native
> culture. Only
> thing they maintained is the Spaniard left during the colonialism.
> Check out
> the local Mexican getting marriage ceremony. You are not gonna see
> Mexican
> people dressed up with ancient Indio custom. What they wore is a cheap
> European
> Spanish clothes .
And have you ever seen what Indians traditionally wore? Some of it
doesn't fit Western standards of modesty.
> Yeah Senora and Senorita wear European Clothes. What
> a nice
> looking European clothes!!! Just kidding hehe:)))
How many ways to make fun of that?
I'll leave you with a better Lakota name: Ce Cikala. (You seem
preoccupied with that part of human anatomy anyway.)