What Do Indians Think Of Kay Starr?
What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?
Indians are always searching for heroes and role models like Jim
Thorpe and the guy at Iwo Jima, but what about Kay Starr who was
really popular back in the day?
She was born Katherine Laverne Starks on a reservation in Dougherty,
Oklahoma. Her father, Harry, was a full-blooded Iroquois Indian; her
mother, Annie, was of mixed Irish and American Indian heritage. Age
87 presently.
Do you consider her a "sell-out" for being so successful in mainstream
America?
YouPick
"What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?" <ho...@home.net> wrote in message
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many *Indians* who make a life for themselves and family out-side The Rez
(off reservation)..here in the stolen land calling itself "canada"...MIGHT
be considered by SOME...as being "sell-outs"
However..your qusetions falls within a defined category which makes this
Indian ask.."why would you ask?"
wayne george :) ps... I will delete " balt.general " in further replies
Melodious Thunk
> "What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?" <h...@home.net> wrote in messagenews:4af5b90b...@free.teranews.com...
The "guy at Iwo Jima" was a Pima named Ira Hayes, now buried at
Arlington Nat'l Cemetery.
YouPick
"Melodious Thunk" <thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Me be a thinkin,there'd be a long *list* of sell-outs :)
Nd being listed with them..would be a privilage to this one.
Jay Silverheels
wayne george :)
What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?
<thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 7, 11:33=A0am, "YouPick" <gw-geo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> "What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?" <h...@home.net> wrote in messagenews:=
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>> > Indians are always searching for heroes and role models like Jim
>> > Thorpe and the guy at Iwo Jima, but what about Kay Starr who was
>> > really popular back in the day?
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>> > She was born Katherine Laverne Starks on a reservation in Dougherty,
>> > Oklahoma. Her father, Harry, was a full-blooded Iroquois Indian; her
>> > mother, Annie, was of mixed Irish and American Indian heritage. =A0Age
>> > 87 presently.
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>> > Do you consider her a "sell-out" for being so successful in mainstream
>> > America?
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>> many *Indians* who make a life for themselves and family out-side The Rez
>> (off reservation)..here in the stolen land calling itself "canada"...MIGH=
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>> be considered by SOME...as being "sell-outs"
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>> However..your qusetions falls within a defined category which makes this
>> Indian ask.."why would you ask?"
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>> wayne george =A0:) =A0ps... =A0I will delete " balt.general " in further =
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>The "guy at Iwo Jima" was a Pima named Ira Hayes, now buried at
>Arlington Nat'l Cemetery.
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Do you know the names of the other guys in the famous photo?
What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?
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It's just that many blacks criticize black celebrities whom they think
are "performing white." They call it "selling out."
E.g., the legendary rock 'n' roll artist Chuck Berry.
Ol' Chuck cries about it .... all the way to the bank.
>wayne george :) ps... I will delete " balt.general " in further replies
Then I won't be able to see your response.
YouPick
Dis place be fillin up with * titwits *
wayne george :)
Melodious Thunk
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> <thunk.melodi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 7, 11:33=A0am, "YouPick" <gw-geo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> "What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?" <h...@home.net> wrote in messagenews:=
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> >> > Indians are always searching for heroes and role models like Jim
> >> > Thorpe and the guy at Iwo Jima, but what about Kay Starr who was
> >> > really popular back in the day?
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> >> > She was born Katherine Laverne Starks on a reservation in Dougherty,
> >> > Oklahoma. Her father, Harry, was a full-blooded Iroquois Indian; her
> >> > mother, Annie, was of mixed Irish and American Indian heritage. =A0Age
> >> > 87 presently.
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> >> > Do you consider her a "sell-out" for being so successful in mainstream
> >> > America?
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> >> many *Indians* who make a life for themselves and family out-side The Rez
> >> (off reservation)..here in the stolen land calling itself "canada"...MIGH=
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> >> be considered by SOME...as being "sell-outs"
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> >> However..your qusetions falls within a defined category which makes this
> >> Indian ask.."why would you ask?"
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> >> wayne george =A0:) =A0ps... =A0I will delete " balt.general " in further =
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> >The "guy at Iwo Jima" was a Pima named Ira Hayes, now buried at
> >Arlington Nat'l Cemetery.
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> Do you know the names of the other guys in the famous photo?
If your interest is sincere, there is a wonderful book called "Flags
of Our Fathers" by James Bradley that talks exactly about the people,
and their stories, "behind the immortal photograph."
What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?
<thunk.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 7, 2:11=A0pm, h...@home.net (What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?)
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>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:13:28 -0800 (PST), Melodious Thunk
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>> >On Nov 7, 11:33=3DA0am, "YouPick" <gw-geo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >> "What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?" <h...@home.net> wrote in messagene=
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>> >> > Indians are always searching for heroes and role models like Jim
>> >> > Thorpe and the guy at Iwo Jima, but what about Kay Starr who was
>> >> > really popular back in the day?
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>> >> > She was born Katherine Laverne Starks on a reservation in Dougherty,
>> >> > Oklahoma. Her father, Harry, was a full-blooded Iroquois Indian; her
>> >> > mother, Annie, was of mixed Irish and American Indian heritage. =3DA=
>0Age
>> >> > 87 presently.
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>Rez
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>> >> Indian ask.."why would you ask?"
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>> >The "guy at Iwo Jima" was a Pima named Ira Hayes, now buried at
>> >Arlington Nat'l Cemetery.
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>> Do you know the names of the other guys in the famous photo?
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>If your interest is sincere, there is a wonderful book called "Flags
>of Our Fathers" by James Bradley that talks exactly about the people,
>and their stories, "behind the immortal photograph."
My original post simply asked whether Indians who succeed in the
mainstream world, especially mainstream pop culture, are viewed by
Indians in general as "selling out." Before your time, Kay Starr was
a white bread pop artist who was very big, and would have been even
bigger except that rock 'n' roll came along.
My point to you is that all the men who fought against the Axis were
heroes, not just the American Indians.
YouPick
While my Father and two of his brothers was over in Europe fighting for *our
rights* to freedom and liberty here..the canadian government of the day,
took our small reservation and moved The People to another
reservation..telling them..that when hostile activities ceased ..*they*
could have their land back.
We were informed a year and a half ago..that *hostile activities have ceased
in Europe*..but it would take another twenty or so years to clean up the
mess left behind by the occupying forces of canada.
My Father is my Hero...and so are his two brothers...
wayne george :)
Melodious Thunk
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In that case, yes, I do know the names of the others in the Iwo Jima
photograph.
I cannot tell you anything in general about what NDNs think. There are
traditionalists in my family, as well as highly-assimilated people.
Among my family, people who enjoy success by their own standards are
generally admired, whether in the greater "whitebread" world or
elsewhere.
Melodious Thunk
> "What Hap'nd To The Magic Mulatto?" <h...@home.net> wrote in messagenews:4af7003d...@free.teranews.com...
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On this side of the border, the "termination" approach that the
federal govt had abandoned in 1924 was reinstated after WWII. There
was no "Cherokee Nation" when I was born.