I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
Excellent review, Monica, thanks, I don't think I could stomach reading it.
Kamook taped an Arlo interview? she was probably trying to sell it to Rodney Grunt Productions. it's funny, when I talked to her in 1984 outside Mother Butler Center, unloading groceries from an old Protector-Buick for the troops, she said nothing at all against AIM re: Anna Mae. Not a hint of collaboration. She had me conned, flirty flirty! you know what suckers we honky breed-wasichus are! (Oh yeah, the meeting rally was for her husband Dennis, getting sentenced the next day in Custer}
Does Trimbach name his old buddy Wart Churchill?
On Jan 28, 1:49 pm, Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
> I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
He mentions Churchill and is soft on him. He just basically calls him Means buddy. He blames AIM for Anna Mae's murder yet offers no evidence. He claims that Hendricks offered no evidence in his book. Half of Hendricks book is endnotes. He claims that the fbi imploded AIM from within. I assume that is by the nonexistent cointel tactics and fbi plants. He defends his decisions and actions during WK. He thinks he has been maligned by history. He blames a liberal press for vilifying him and making heroes of AIM. The book was hard to read because of it's slant and lies. I had to force myself to wade through it. It saddened me that he used Anna Mae as a weapon to get AIM as two elves and paulprice are doing. He doesn't care any more about her than they do. He defends Dick Wilson's administration as being one of the best and msot progressive. He says the goons were hired to protect Wilson from AIM/ He also states that they were there to protect the people from AIM's invasion. He states that one year Leonard's defense committee raised 5 million. He says at one point that he didn't want his grandchildren to believe how history portrays him. He wrote the book so they would know "the truth."
On Jan 29, 4:54 am, Flint_Carr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:07 pm, "O'Brien" <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Excellent review, Monica,
> review?...
> BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
> right...shur...Uh-Huh...
I didn't crawl on my belly to kiss "ol joe's" feet. But apparently, according to his book, you did that enough for the rest of us. Indians will never have to crawl to a white man ever again.
Kamook wore a wire numerous times and she describes this in her testimony in the Looking Cloud trial. It's not clear why she turned on her old comrades. One line of questioning in the trial was about why, if she were best friends with Aquash, and Aquash was kept hostage for months and months, she did nothing to help her friend?
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if they thought Aquash was an informant, they would threaten her with a gun, hold her hostage, and then kill her after a room full of witnesses supposedly sees her tied up to a board. To me this sounds like asking for trouble. The rational thing to do, if she were an informant, would be to ban her from the group, not hold her hostage for 6 months and then kill her. That would be a suicidal course of action and it doesn't make sense as a motive. To me it seems more like an anti-motive.
There are two different versions of why she was staying in people's houses. One is that she was a hostage for something like six months or more. The second was that she was a fugitive and those people were helping to hide her. People seem to be accepting a middle ground, that somehow both of those things were going on at the same time, but this also sounds strange to me. If AIM thought she worked for the FBI why would they take her from one safe house to the next? Then the FBI would know where all the safe houses were, and all the safehouse owners would have been harboring a fugitive and Aquash could have testified against all of them. This would shut down AIM's safehouses and put a lot of them behind bars. If AIM thought she were an informant, why would they want to do this?
There is an endless list of things that dont add up in this case, but if someone can explain what the motives of these people were, it would make a lot more sense.
> Kamook wore a wire numerous times and she describes this in her > testimony in the Looking Cloud trial. It's not clear why she turned on > her old comrades. One line of questioning in the trial was about why, > if she were best friends with Aquash, and Aquash was kept hostage for > months and months, she did nothing to help her friend?
> One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if they thought Aquash > was an informant, they would threaten her with a gun, hold her > hostage, and then kill her after a room full of witnesses supposedly > sees her tied up to a board. To me this sounds like asking for > trouble. The rational thing to do, if she were an informant, would be > to ban her from the group, not hold her hostage for 6 months and then > kill her. That would be a suicidal course of action and it doesn't > make sense as a motive. To me it seems more like an anti-motive.
> There are two different versions of why she was staying in people's > houses. One is that she was a hostage for something like six months or > more. The second was that she was a fugitive and those people were > helping to hide her. People seem to be accepting a middle ground, that > somehow both of those things were going on at the same time, but this > also sounds strange to me. If AIM thought she worked for the FBI why > would they take her from one safe house to the next? Then the FBI > would know where all the safe houses were, and all the safehouse > owners would have been harboring a fugitive and Aquash could have > testified against all of them. This would shut down AIM's safehouses > and put a lot of them behind bars. If AIM thought she were an > informant, why would they want to do this?
> There is an endless list of things that dont add up in this case, but > if someone can explain what the motives of these people were, it would > make a lot more sense.
I have been reading the court transcripts. The reason is because these two cases (Arlo's and John's) are being given to the 'white man's court system' which is composed of people on the outside (like me) who are very inappropriately called a "jury of his peers". I wanted to put myself in their place, see what they have heard, understand if it is even 'reasonable' to be able to come to any type of conclusion.
What strikes *me* as odd is how Kamook was told that Anna Mae was intimately involved with Dennis Banks about the same time that 'rumors' were going around that Anna Mae was an informant and that there'd been a confrontation with Peltier. All in the same time period, around June (the beginning of the 6 months that she was either 'hiding' or being told she couldn't go home). Three things at the same time seem more than 'coincidental'.
IF... (and only IF) it was true that she had been involved with Dennis Banks, and that Peltier did put a gun to her head... it is chilling to imagine the state of fear she might have been in by the time she travelled here to Washington... with a man who'd threatened her life already about being an informant (and then jokingly referred to giving her truth serum - how menacing is *that*?), and the wife of a man she'd been sleeping with... who says in her testimony that Anna Mae was being kept "close" in order to be "watched". By all accounts, Anna Mae was not a stupid woman. She would have been intensely aware of all the seeds of suspicion that had been planted about her. And even if there was only truth in the one about Dennis Banks, to travel with the man's wife to a location so far from her home... would have been extremely uncomfortable to say the least. I don't find it hard at all to understand why Kamook wasn't more 'protective', but i find it hard to understand how this scenario would be very tolerable for either woman.
Another question that comes up in my mind while reading the testimonies is:
IF... they didn't think she was an fbi informant, then why would they want to keep a watch on her? But as you said, if they *did* think she was an informant, then why let her stay in safehouses? It would give away the locations. The only reason i can come up with - that would answer *both* questions - is that maybe it wasn't the fear that she would inform the 'fbi' about something, but maybe that she would inform *other people* about something.
Is that possible?
It seems to me that even IF Arlo and John were directly responsible for Anna Mae's death, that they were not *ultimately* responsible... in the sense that someone else higher up the ladder had set the whole thing into motion. At the same time, while not trusting fbi one whit, i have to wonder how she would be better to the fbi dead than merely 'banished' and left vulnerable enough for them to bring her over to the 'their side'... if only by making her believe it was for her own safety. She had information they could have used. It's easy for me to 'believe' that fbi had her killed. What's not easy is finding a motive for doing so - in terms of what was presented in court.
I am just going off the actual transcripts and nothing else, which is all a jury has to work with in determining what happened. That's all John Graham's jury will have also. Since my 'opinion' based on information that gets provided *outside* the courtroom means nothing whatsoever, i am trying to see it through the juror's eyes because theirs are the only *opinions* that did/will make any difference.
As one who sat through the whole "trial' - and recorded notes posted anonymously on the Graham website {their decision, Matthew Lien's to post them anonymously, not mine, as I had nothing to hide [but maybe he, suspiciously, did?] (something's fishy up in Vancouver)} - I can tell you the jury couldn't come to any other decision about Arlo's guilt. It was palpable in the Rancid City courthouse, and town.
It was all sealed and delivered by that awful videotape of Arlo's torture-interrogation in the Denver PD. THAT's what convicted Arlo, to the jury, and the courtroom in general. It was obvious from all that stuff and the other "testimonies".
It was horrifying. I was shocked by the ramroding nature of amerikan "justice". The jury couldn't have come to any other judgement,given what was presented to them.
On Feb 3, 9:20 am, oldwifetale <oldwifet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 7:59 pm, Paul Wolf <paulw...@icdc.com> wrote:
> > Kamook wore a wire numerous times and she describes this in her > > testimony in the Looking Cloud trial. It's not clear why she turned on > > her old comrades. One line of questioning in the trial was about why, > > if she were best friends with Aquash, and Aquash was kept hostage for > > months and months, she did nothing to help her friend?
> > One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if they thought Aquash > > was an informant, they would threaten her with a gun, hold her > > hostage, and then kill her after a room full of witnesses supposedly > > sees her tied up to a board. To me this sounds like asking for > > trouble. The rational thing to do, if she were an informant, would be > > to ban her from the group, not hold her hostage for 6 months and then > > kill her. That would be a suicidal course of action and it doesn't > > make sense as a motive. To me it seems more like an anti-motive.
> > There are two different versions of why she was staying in people's > > houses. One is that she was a hostage for something like six months or > > more. The second was that she was a fugitive and those people were > > helping to hide her. People seem to be accepting a middle ground, that > > somehow both of those things were going on at the same time, but this > > also sounds strange to me. If AIM thought she worked for the FBI why > > would they take her from one safe house to the next? Then the FBI > > would know where all the safe houses were, and all the safehouse > > owners would have been harboring a fugitive and Aquash could have > > testified against all of them. This would shut down AIM's safehouses > > and put a lot of them behind bars. If AIM thought she were an > > informant, why would they want to do this?
> > There is an endless list of things that dont add up in this case, but > > if someone can explain what the motives of these people were, it would > > make a lot more sense.
> I have been reading the court transcripts. The reason is because these > two cases (Arlo's and John's) are being given to the 'white man's > court system' which is composed of people on the outside (like me) who > are very inappropriately called a "jury of his peers". I wanted to put > myself in their place, see what they have heard, understand if it is > even 'reasonable' to be able to come to any type of conclusion.
> What strikes *me* as odd is how Kamook was told that Anna Mae was > intimately involved with Dennis Banks about the same time that > 'rumors' were going around that Anna Mae was an informant and that > there'd been a confrontation with Peltier. All in the same time > period, around June (the beginning of the 6 months that she was either > 'hiding' or being told she couldn't go home). Three things at the same > time seem more than 'coincidental'.
> IF... (and only IF) it was true that she had been involved with Dennis > Banks, and that Peltier did put a gun to her head... it is chilling to > imagine the state of fear she might have been in by the time she > travelled here to Washington... with a man who'd threatened her life > already about being an informant (and then jokingly referred to giving > her truth serum - how menacing is *that*?), and the wife of a man > she'd been sleeping with... who says in her testimony that Anna Mae > was being kept "close" in order to be "watched". By all accounts, Anna > Mae was not a stupid woman. She would have been intensely aware of all > the seeds of suspicion that had been planted about her. And even if > there was only truth in the one about Dennis Banks, to travel with the > man's wife to a location so far from her home... would have been > extremely uncomfortable to say the least. I don't find it hard at all > to understand why Kamook wasn't more 'protective', but i find it hard > to understand how this scenario would be very tolerable for either > woman.
> Another question that comes up in my mind while reading the > testimonies is:
> IF... they didn't think she was an fbi informant, then why would they > want to keep a watch on her? But as you said, if they *did* think she > was an informant, then why let her stay in safehouses? It would give > away the locations. The only reason i can come up with - that would > answer *both* questions - is that maybe it wasn't the fear that she > would inform the 'fbi' about something, but maybe that she would > inform *other people* about something.
> Is that possible?
> It seems to me that even IF Arlo and John were directly responsible > for Anna Mae's death, that they were not *ultimately* responsible... > in the sense that someone else higher up the ladder had set the whole > thing into motion. At the same time, while not trusting fbi one whit, > i have to wonder how she would be better to the fbi dead than merely > 'banished' and left vulnerable enough for them to bring her over to > the 'their side'... if only by making her believe it was for her own > safety. She had information they could have used. It's easy for me to > 'believe' that fbi had her killed. What's not easy is finding a motive > for doing so - in terms of what was presented in court.
> I am just going off the actual transcripts and nothing else, which is > all a jury has to work with in determining what happened. That's all > John Graham's jury will have also. Since my 'opinion' based on > information that gets provided *outside* the courtroom means nothing > whatsoever, i am trying to see it through the juror's eyes because > theirs are the only *opinions* that did/will make any difference.- Hide quoted text -
Even though a lot of clowns try to make this NG ludicrous, it's obvious from some of these excellent posts a lot of sharp folks are monitoring it too, including the cointel boys and girls.
Kamook and Ecoffey: women especially have never trusted her, I've noticed in my many contacts and observations of her and her Co., including hollywood, over 30 years, and of course Dennis had a brutal streak of violence and jealousy when it came to women. Oscar Singer, one of his Navajo bodyguards at WK, said Dennis put a gun to his head when he thought Oscar was messing with his woman {I forget who he said she was, at that particularly moment}. Oscar admired Dennis, but he was sure he was going to be killed that time. That stuff surrely inflames Kamook's reactions, since; and like so many others in the Movement I think most of the time she was trying to do what was right. Which would explain Anna Mae's friendship with her. I doubt Anna Mae had an affair with Dennis, given the volatile tensions in his personality already, and the normal female dynamics. But I don't know, of course. Kamook of course knew all of AIM's flaws, as we all did, and didn't need fbi to tell us so.
I didn't see Kamook sitting in the courtroom at all, let alone with the FBI. But maybe I missed her. (and she was always friendly to me, probably hoping for a hollywood contact, but also, I think she was genuinely trying to get something done positive; that of course again could be my male stupidity - so if she was anywhere outside of the witness room backstage she'd have probably come over and said hello)
In general, the pigs and establishment media sat on the left side of the packed courtroom, and Arlo supporters and family on the right side behind him and Rensch - Demain and Claypoole and Means sat on the ... left side.
Of course there were no Colorado aimsters there, who claim to care sooo much.
Nor did that idiot Giago bother to drive across town to cover the historic trial, but sent a flunky kid, who wrote an incompetent and deliberately forgettable narrative of it.
Paul, I don't think there was roomful of people who saw Anna Mae tied to a board. Conflicting testimonies, some of whom didn't mention the Angie Begay-Janis board story at all, and Rensch effectively discredited it, almost laughing at the idea. I don't think the jury believed it either. It was one of those surreal, unbelievable moments in the trial. Angie was a mess. (and a former wife of Dennis, and mother of at least one kid - the bastard had BIG troubles with a lot of women, including plausible stories of rape of teenage girls)
Yes, as far as the treatment of informants, they had a public press conference denouncing that previous mole Doug Durham and sent him on his way back to police headquarters. They did not assassinate him - as R. Means rants he would do to informants in his book.
the motive: is that Anna Mae knew David Hill killed the cops at Oglala, and Hill was and is the ultimate undercover/overcover informant provocateur. Even at Arlo's trial - it's all over the transcript - both defense counsel and prosecutors kept bringing up his name: Thelma Rios' husband, etc. Anna Mae knew too much, and she wasn't afraid to talk, exposing the pigs posing as AIM.
Hill is a very charming con man. Kamook testified he talked Anna Mae into putting her fingerprints on bombs. He traveled everywhere with her in Brando's RV. He was and is Leonard's right hand man, a right on Choctaw Bro.
Finally, oldwifetale, they're going to easily convict John Graham on Arlo Looking Cloud's confession, based on the illegal Denver PD interrogation. Case closed. I believe John that he had nothing to do with the killing: why would he? And Arlo just seemed to be hopelessly confused about the whole goddamn thing, and cynical, resigned. But John remains the fly in the ointment, hence the incredible 4-year delay, and counting, in his "trial". And a Grand Jury has been convened mysteriously. Rumor has it R. Means has also been subpoenaed for about the 3rd time, in GJs.
Hill walks, Churchill gets his multimillion dollar settlement from CU, Means is a movie star and Treaty Champ.
On Jan 28, 1:49 pm, Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
> As one who sat through the whole "trial' - and recorded notes posted > anonymously on the Graham website {their decision, Matthew Lien's to > post them anonymously, not mine, as I had nothing to hide [but maybe > he, suspiciously, did?] (something's fishy up in Vancouver)} - I can > tell you the jury couldn't come to any other decision about Arlo's > guilt. It was palpable in the Rancid City courthouse, and town.
> It was all sealed and delivered by that awful videotape of Arlo's > torture-interrogation in the Denver PD. THAT's what convicted Arlo, to > the jury, and the courtroom in general. It was obvious from all that > stuff and the other "testimonies".
> It was horrifying. I was shocked by the ramroding nature of amerikan > "justice". The jury couldn't have come to any other judgement,given > what was presented to them.
I didn't see in the transcripts how they could come to any other decision either. Which is why i get a little confused about those who are convinced of Arlo's innocence wanting to 'prove' John Graham's innocence in the 'american justice system'. Obviously there is a selection process in what can be presented as evidence, and what can't. Knowing this, when a case is depending on the 'american justice system', you have to accept the findings of a jury whether it's innocence or guilt unless you can come up with *allowable evidence* that would warrant an appeal. I'm no lawyer, but isn't that how it's done?
The same selective process is going to occur in this next trial. And each side is going to present what they think is relevant evidence to support either innocence or guilt. However... what is the point of a long court trial when the jury's decision is not going to be accepted unless they say the defendant is innocent? You are apparently looking at everything as an AIM supporter, and not through the eyes of the 'white man's court system' or of a jury that is composed of people who do not know anything about anything in 'indian country'. This responsibility is being placed on people who can only work with what is presented to them in the courtroom, they have no personal background that allows them to 'read between the lines' or notice some glaring omission in evidence.
And because this does involve AIM members... there is a problem in terms of trying the case in 'ndn country'. I've been given to understand that all tribes have their own Ways, and that there is no *one* indian way of doing things, no pan-indian way of settling all matters such as the murder of this woman. I can see how this would have been resolved and the truth perhaps known if the tribes of those involved had come together to 'decide' on how everything should go. But that can't seem to happen. And because there is suspicion of fbi involvement, what kind of justice could occur if it turned out to be true? On the other hand, if AIM does suspect the fbi was responsible for the murder... why would the outcome of a trial in the 'white man's justice system' be satisfactory? In football terms, that is not exactly playing on your own home field. How could anyone expect that an fbi involvement would be revealed in such an environment? So i am confused about AIM's position on all of this too.
You seem to already 'know' that Arlo and John Graham are innocent. I am not sure how anyone can know this for sure, or with such absolute certainty. Whereas some people say John Graham and Arlo were there with Anna Mae (including Arlo - and not only in the interview), no one has come forward to say, "No, they were not there... they were here." The court transcripts of Arlo's trial seem to point in the direction of guilt. I don't know how the juror's could have come to any other conclusion - right or wrong. So i am assuming that in the upcoming trial, you know of evidence that will be presented which will prove conclusively that neither Arlo or John Graham were with Anna Mae when she was murdered... OR will be able to show who did kill her... or some other kind of solid evidence. Otherwise... how is this trial expected to be different than Arlo's? The 'american justice system' is not really about finding *the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth* - it is about deciding the innocence or guilt of an individual "beyond a reasonable doubt". When this happened in Arlo's trial, people were not satisfied. IF it happens in JG's trial, people will not be satisfied. So what is the point of it... unless it's a gamble?
Out of all that has been written, this makes the most sense to me: That Anna Mae was murdered because of David Hill. Everything has been so convoluted and winding. And yes, John Graham willl most likely be convicted. And the ones MOST responsible will walk away.
On Feb 4, 10:37 am, "O'Brien" <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Even though a lot of clowns try to make this NG ludicrous, it's > obvious from some of these excellent posts a lot of sharp folks are > monitoring it too, including the cointel boys and girls.
> Kamook and Ecoffey: women especially have never trusted her, I've > noticed in my many contacts and observations of her and her Co., > including hollywood, over 30 years, and of course Dennis had a brutal > streak of violence and jealousy when it came to women. Oscar Singer, > one of his Navajo bodyguards at WK, said Dennis put a gun to his head > when he thought Oscar was messing with his woman {I forget who he said > she was, at that particularly moment}. Oscar admired Dennis, but he > was sure he was going to be killed that time. That stuff surrely > inflames Kamook's reactions, since; and like so many others in the > Movement I think most of the time she was trying to do what was right. > Which would explain Anna Mae's friendship with her. I doubt Anna Mae > had an affair with Dennis, given the volatile tensions in his > personality already, and the normal female dynamics. But I don't know, > of course. Kamook of course knew all of AIM's flaws, as we all did, > and didn't need fbi to tell us so.
> I didn't see Kamook sitting in the courtroom at all, let alone with > the FBI. But maybe I missed her. (and she was always friendly to me, > probably hoping for a hollywood contact, but also, I think she was > genuinely trying to get something done positive; that of course again > could be my male stupidity - so if she was anywhere outside of the > witness room backstage she'd have probably come over and said hello)
> In general, the pigs and establishment media sat on the left side of > the packed courtroom, and Arlo supporters and family on the right side > behind him and Rensch - Demain and Claypoole and Means sat on the ... > left side.
> Of course there were no Colorado aimsters there, who claim to care > sooo much.
> Nor did that idiot Giago bother to drive across town to cover the > historic trial, but sent a flunky kid, who wrote an incompetent and > deliberately forgettable narrative of it.
> Paul, I don't think there was roomful of people who saw Anna Mae tied > to a board. Conflicting testimonies, some of whom didn't mention the > Angie Begay-Janis board story at all, and Rensch effectively > discredited it, almost laughing at the idea. I don't think the jury > believed it either. It was one of those surreal, unbelievable moments > in the trial. Angie was a mess. (and a former wife of Dennis, and > mother of at least one kid - the bastard had BIG troubles with a lot > of women, including plausible stories of rape of teenage girls)
> Yes, as far as the treatment of informants, they had a public press > conference denouncing that previous mole Doug Durham and sent him on > his way back to police headquarters. They did not assassinate him - as > R. Means rants he would do to informants in his book.
> the motive: is that Anna Mae knew David Hill killed the cops at > Oglala, and Hill was and is the ultimate undercover/overcover > informant provocateur. Even at Arlo's trial - it's all over the > transcript - both defense counsel and prosecutors kept bringing up his > name: Thelma Rios' husband, etc. Anna Mae knew too much, and she > wasn't afraid to talk, exposing the pigs posing as AIM.
> Hill is a very charming con man. Kamook testified he talked Anna Mae > into putting her fingerprints on bombs. He traveled everywhere with > her in Brando's RV. He was and is Leonard's right hand man, a right on > Choctaw Bro.
> Finally, oldwifetale, they're going to easily convict John Graham on > Arlo Looking Cloud's confession, based on the illegal Denver PD > interrogation. Case closed. I believe John that he had nothing to do > with the killing: why would he? And Arlo just seemed to be hopelessly > confused about the whole goddamn thing, and cynical, resigned. But > John remains the fly in the ointment, hence the incredible 4-year > delay, and counting, in his "trial". And a Grand Jury has been > convened mysteriously. Rumor has it R. Means has also been subpoenaed > for about the 3rd time, in GJs.
> Hill walks, Churchill gets his multimillion dollar settlement from CU, > Means is a movie star and Treaty Champ.
> On Jan 28, 1:49 pm, Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.- Hide quoted text -
> Hill is a very charming con man. Kamook testified he talked Anna Mae > into putting her fingerprints on bombs. He traveled everywhere with > her in Brando's RV. He was and is Leonard's right hand man, a right on > Choctaw Bro.
> Finally, oldwifetale, they're going to easily convict John Graham on > Arlo Looking Cloud's confession, based on the illegal Denver PD > interrogation. Case closed. I believe John that he had nothing to do > with the killing: why would he? And Arlo just seemed to be hopelessly > confused about the whole goddamn thing, and cynical, resigned. But > John remains the fly in the ointment, hence the incredible 4-year > delay, and counting, in his "trial". And a Grand Jury has been > convened mysteriously. Rumor has it R. Means has also been subpoenaed > for about the 3rd time, in GJs.
> Hill walks, Churchill gets his multimillion dollar settlement from CU, > Means is a movie star and Treaty Champ.
So no hopes were hanging on this trial? I was under the assumption (from your previous posts) that there were. I'm not 'attached' to anyone's innocence or guilt. I was asked to comment on the issue before, and declined, but once i did make comments,... i felt commited somehow to follow up by looking more closely at the transcripts to see what was actually presented in court. Paul Wolf is a lawyer. I have responded to his posts twice now, hoping for an actual 'legal' explanation for various points he made, but with no response.
Btw i have to say that i've seen alot of paranoia in this matter... it seems as though anyone on the 'outside' who questions the *opinions* of an AIM member/supporter is automatically an fbi agent or a cointel person. At first i was offended... even a little 'hurt'... but now i am beginning to wonder about such things. It's either paranoia or blindness (because i only work for myself), but it seems like a common tactic to plant seeds of suspicion about people who only manage to ask the 'wrong questions' in an intelligent way.
Whatever it is, it stinks.
And also - it doesn't matter to me if you were in the courtroom, or who you 'know' or how many names you keep dropping. What was said in court is what was said in court, it's in the transcripts whether you were there or not. And that is all i have been commenting on here. The transcripts.
No matter if Arlo and John Graham were proven innocent or guilty, it is OBVIOUS that people are walking away scot-free when they shouldn't be. Is David Hill one of them? I wouldn't know; all anyone has to go by is the evidence and/or the possibilities that are presented. But don't expect an 'outsider' to decide that you are telling the truth as opposed to those who are *sworn in* to tell the truth... without showing more evidence, and i don't mean in other cases (where someone might have lied about this or that) but in the case of Anna Mae's murder. You can't expect anyone on the outside to 'pick a side' and still remain impartial or objective at the same time - including the jurors. If the truth was so clear, picking a side would be a moot point. To me the truth is *not* clear, not even with what has been said 'outside' of the courtroom. So i'm just picking the side of truth... WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE. If you have a problem with that, i can't help it.
Going ONLY on the evidence, there is none, forensically especially. The forensic trail was lost 32 years ago when they moved the body from the wanblee ravine. It can't even be proven that was Anna Mae's body at all, including from the autopsy photos shown on a big screen in court - the body's face was blackened from exposure and even the coroner said he couldn't identify. no habeas corpus. Those kinds of visuals don't translate in written transcripts. Very emotional impact on a jury.
ALL the prosecution has is the bizarre "confession" on police videotape of Arlo looking Cloud in Denver in 2003. He has no lawyer present, and he's obviously inebriated, even to the police. That's it. And from the online transcripts I've seen the videotape is not included. Does anyone have a copy of that to post here? It would be helpful. I saw it and made notes, but they're not word-for-word. It flashed by real fast - and real effective.
Where the hope comes in that Graham will get a fair trial, is that he himself denies any involvement at all, unlike Arlo's passiveness and silence in his trial. Arlo had kind of a resigned attitude. John and his lawyers correctly point out that there is no evidence at all. If he's convicted it'll be on emotional impacts against radical, violent AIM in South Dakota, still a VERY big visceral factor here.
It's kind of like a reverse-O.J. Factor. Guilt or innocence is secondary to Race and Terror, raw animal stuff.
On Feb 4, 1:44 pm, oldwifetale <oldwifet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 10:37 am, "O'Brien" <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hill is a very charming con man. Kamook testified he talked Anna Mae > > into putting her fingerprints on bombs. He traveled everywhere with > > her in Brando's RV. He was and is Leonard's right hand man, a right on > > Choctaw Bro.
> > Finally, oldwifetale, they're going to easily convict John Graham on > > Arlo Looking Cloud's confession, based on the illegal Denver PD > > interrogation. Case closed. I believe John that he had nothing to do > > with the killing: why would he? And Arlo just seemed to be hopelessly > > confused about the whole goddamn thing, and cynical, resigned. But > > John remains the fly in the ointment, hence the incredible 4-year > > delay, and counting, in his "trial". And a Grand Jury has been > > convened mysteriously. Rumor has it R. Means has also been subpoenaed > > for about the 3rd time, in GJs.
> > Hill walks, Churchill gets his multimillion dollar settlement from CU, > > Means is a movie star and Treaty Champ.
> So no hopes were hanging on this trial? I was under the assumption > (from your previous posts) that there were. I'm not 'attached' to > anyone's innocence or guilt. I was asked to comment on the issue > before, and declined, but once i did make comments,... i felt commited > somehow to follow up by looking more closely at the transcripts to see > what was actually presented in court. Paul Wolf is a lawyer. I have > responded to his posts twice now, hoping for an actual 'legal' > explanation for various points he made, but with no response.
> Btw i have to say that i've seen alot of paranoia in this matter... it > seems as though anyone on the 'outside' who questions the *opinions* > of an AIM member/supporter is automatically an fbi agent or a cointel > person. At first i was offended... even a little 'hurt'... but now i > am beginning to wonder about such things. It's either paranoia or > blindness (because i only work for myself), but it seems like a common > tactic to plant seeds of suspicion about people who only manage to ask > the 'wrong questions' in an intelligent way.
> Whatever it is, it stinks.
> And also - it doesn't matter to me if you were in the courtroom, or > who you 'know' or how many names you keep dropping. What was said in > court is what was said in court, it's in the transcripts whether you > were there or not. And that is all i have been commenting on here. The > transcripts.
> No matter if Arlo and John Graham were proven innocent or guilty, it > is OBVIOUS that people are walking away scot-free when they shouldn't > be. Is David Hill one of them? I wouldn't know; all anyone has to go > by is the evidence and/or the possibilities that are presented. But > don't expect an 'outsider' to decide that you are telling the truth as > opposed to those who are *sworn in* to tell the truth... without > showing more evidence, and i don't mean in other cases (where someone > might have lied about this or that) but in the case of Anna Mae's > murder. You can't expect anyone on the outside to 'pick a side' and > still remain impartial or objective at the same time - including the > jurors. If the truth was so clear, picking a side would be a moot > point. To me the truth is *not* clear, not even with what has been > said 'outside' of the courtroom. So i'm just picking the side of > truth... WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE. If you have a problem with that, > i can't help it.- Hide quoted text -
> Going ONLY on the evidence, there is none, forensically especially. > The forensic trail was lost 32 years ago when they moved the body from > the wanblee ravine. It can't even be proven that was Anna Mae's body > at all, including from the autopsy photos shown on a big screen in > court - the body's face was blackened from exposure and even the > coroner said he couldn't identify. no habeas corpus. Those kinds of > visuals don't translate in written transcripts. Very emotional impact > on a jury.
> ALL the prosecution has is the bizarre "confession" on police > videotape of Arlo looking Cloud in Denver in 2003. He has no lawyer > present, and he's obviously inebriated, even to the police. That's it. > And from the online transcripts I've seen the videotape is not > included. Does anyone have a copy of that to post here? It would be > helpful. I saw it and made notes, but they're not word-for-word. It > flashed by real fast - and real effective.
> Where the hope comes in that Graham will get a fair trial, is that he > himself denies any involvement at all, unlike Arlo's passiveness and > silence in his trial. Arlo had kind of a resigned attitude. John and > his lawyers correctly point out that there is no evidence at all. If > he's convicted it'll be on emotional impacts against radical, violent > AIM in South Dakota, still a VERY big visceral factor here.
> It's kind of like a reverse-O.J. Factor. Guilt or innocence is > secondary to Race and Terror, raw animal stuff.
> On Feb 4, 1:44 pm, oldwifetale <oldwifet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 4, 10:37 am, "O'Brien" <sealsor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hill is a very charming con man. Kamook testified he talked Anna Mae > > > into putting her fingerprints on bombs. He traveled everywhere with > > > her in Brando's RV. He was and is Leonard's right hand man, a right on > > > Choctaw Bro.
> > > Finally, oldwifetale, they're going to easily convict John Graham on > > > Arlo Looking Cloud's confession, based on the illegal Denver PD > > > interrogation. Case closed. I believe John that he had nothing to do > > > with the killing: why would he? And Arlo just seemed to be hopelessly > > > confused about the whole goddamn thing, and cynical, resigned. But > > > John remains the fly in the ointment, hence the incredible 4-year > > > delay, and counting, in his "trial". And a Grand Jury has been > > > convened mysteriously. Rumor has it R. Means has also been subpoenaed > > > for about the 3rd time, in GJs.
> > > Hill walks, Churchill gets his multimillion dollar settlement from CU, > > > Means is a movie star and Treaty Champ.
It's very confusing when you top-post because i don't know which parts you are responding to. I tried to find a video of the confession online, but if it's there, i can't find it. When i read the transcripts, there was no transcription of the videotaped confession, only the transcripts of testimonies, examinations and cross- examinations, plus meetings between attorneys and the judge at the bench.
Whether Arlo and/or John G. are declared innocent or guilty, it is very obvious that other people are literally getting away with murder - there is no doubt either way that her death was ordered by 'someone' in a higher position than either Arlo or John Graham. So even if it was found that one pulled the trigger and the other was present at the time... there are people who are not being held accountable. Obviously. Whether it was fbi or AIM members with the 'authority' to put out the order, the fact is that Anna Mae was murdered. So what happens once John Graham is declared innocent or guilty? A guilty verdict will never be accepted. Will AIM fight so hard as they have for Arlo and John Graham... to find those who were truly responsible for the murder of this woman who was one of their own?
If what you 'believe' is true... then the truth about the murder of Anna Mae continues to go unresolved after all these years. How is that acceptable? How is it possible that the truth of her murder has become secondary to the 'verdict' of two men? The truth would either free or condemn them, rightfully either way. To me it seems... somehow only common sense... that proving the truth is where the real 'hopes' should be... not on proving innocence or guilt, which would be proven all by itself if only the truth was solidly established.
> > So no hopes were hanging on this trial? I was under the assumption > > (from your previous posts) that there were. I'm not 'attached' to > > anyone's innocence or guilt. I was asked to comment on the issue > > before, and declined, but once i did make comments,... i felt commited > > somehow to follow up by looking more closely at the transcripts to see > > what was actually presented in court. Paul Wolf is a lawyer. I have > > responded to his posts twice now, hoping for an actual 'legal' > > explanation for various points he made, but with no response.
> > Btw i have to say that i've seen alot of paranoia in this matter... it > > seems as though anyone on the 'outside' who questions the *opinions* > > of an AIM member/supporter is automatically an fbi agent or a cointel > > person. At first i was offended... even a little 'hurt'... but now i > > am beginning to wonder about such things. It's either paranoia or > > blindness (because i only work for myself), but it seems like a common > > tactic to plant seeds of suspicion about people who only manage to ask > > the 'wrong questions' in an intelligent way.
> > Whatever it is, it stinks.
> > And also - it doesn't matter to me if you were in the courtroom, or > > who you 'know' or how many names you keep dropping. What was said in > > court is what was said in court, it's in the transcripts whether you > > were there or not. And that is all i have been commenting on here. The > > transcripts.
> > No matter if Arlo and John Graham were proven innocent or guilty, it > > is OBVIOUS that people are walking away scot-free when they shouldn't > > be. Is David Hill one of them? I wouldn't know; all anyone has to go > > by is the evidence and/or the possibilities that are presented. But > > don't expect an 'outsider' to decide that you are telling the truth as > > opposed to those who are *sworn in* to tell the truth... without > > showing more evidence, and i don't mean in other cases (where someone > > might have lied about this or that) but in the case of Anna Mae's > > murder. You can't expect anyone on the outside to 'pick a side' and > > still remain impartial or objective at the same time - including the > > jurors. If the truth was so clear, picking a side would be a moot > > point. To me the truth is *not* clear, not even with what has been > > said 'outside' of the courtroom. So i'm just picking the side of > > truth... WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE. If you have a problem with that, > > i can't help it.- Hide quoted text -
> I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her reservation, and any public vilification of her can only stem from ignorance and by repeating the slurs of a few AIMsters afraid of the truth.
> This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > reservation
.. who wears a wire for the FBI sometimes and tries to get her friends to incriminate themselves. There's something inherently dishonest about pretending to be someone's friend while secretly be working to end their lives. It's an eithical dilemma that undercover police have to rationalize. I'm sure that many do so by dehumanizing the people they are after, or taking the attitude that the end justifies the means. It's one thing to spy on someone, another to pretend to be their friend to get information. The same criticism applies to Two Elks.
When a person who is not a law enforcement officer acts in an undercover role, the question of motive always comes up. Most people, if told their good friend or family member committed a crime, would instinctively not believe it, and defend the person. Particularly in this case, where there is no evidence whatsoever of who committed the crime. Most of the time, when you have civilians wearing wires, they do so because they're threatened with prosecution themselves. In Ms Ecoffey's case, I don't know the motivation. I would have to agree with her that $40,000 is not a lot of money to be paid to convert into a police informant. Neither her or Two Elks knows who committed the crime.
David to answer your question, Ms Ecoffey could not be in the room for the trial because of the witness rule. Witnesses are not supposed to hear any other witnesses testify. They can only be in the courtroom for their own testimony.
On Feb 10, 7:05 am, Paul Wolf <paulw...@icdc.com> wrote:
> > This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > > reservation
> .. who wears a wire for the FBI sometimes and tries to get her friends > to incriminate themselves.
O My Gawd!...
U gotz No Ideeyer how Enlightening it iz to hab U shed yer Light on us Oh...."Man Who Speakz Fer NO One..."
On Feb 10, 7:05 am, Paul Wolf <paulw...@icdc.com> wrote:
> > This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > > reservation
> ..
betta go find yer Mad Moo Monkey Jefe, cuz...yaKnow...
it jezt ain't safe fer U witout her...
i meanz...neither U Nor Her belongz...But...leezt wayz...wit her...ya gotz a chance...
last word i got waz...she LOST in her own bathroom N Cain't find her way out...
she Do got a Petition Circulatin' in her behalf tho...
> > This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > > reservation
> .. who wears a wire for the FBI sometimes and tries to get her friends > to incriminate themselves. There's something inherently dishonest > about pretending to be someone's friend while secretly be working to > end their lives.
I once heard of a mafia wife who wore a wire around her husband after finding out he'd been involved in something below her acceptance/ tolerance level. Is that "inherently dishonest"? Of all the people who've ever worn a wire (i imagine thousands), they were probably all 'friends' of the ones being listened-in-on, or at least close enough to be told things in confidence. Otherwise... what's the point of wearing a wire in the first place? Do you have reason to believe that Kamook had an unusual reason for wearing a wire, aside from possibly wanting to do the 'right thing'? For an attorney who isn't personally involved in the case, you don't seem very unbiased to me for some reason. Did you already have a 'side' picked out before you studied the case?
> On Jan 28, 12:49 pm, Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
> This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > reservation, and any public vilification of her can only stem from > ignorance and by repeating the slurs of a few AIMsters afraid of the > truth.- Hide quoted text -
> On Jan 28, 12:49 pm, Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
> This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > reservation, and any public vilification of her can only stem from > ignorance and by repeating the slurs of a few AIMsters afraid of the > truth.
> On Jan 28, 12:49 pm, Monica <yano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just finished it. It was hard to wade through all those lies, self > > aggrandizement, and twists on truth. The funniest was that trimbach > > and his agents came under nightly attack by the people they had > > surrounded and it was stressful for them. He continually quotes two > > elves as a modern day hero. He holds up Kamook as the symbol of > > American Indian womanhood. He gloats that Kamook sat with the fbi at > > Arlo's trial. He got the girl. At the end he says that Kamook got > > crucial evidence by taping Troy Lynn and Arlo. Without their knowledge > > I assume. If the statements she got by taping was so crucial, why > > wasn't it presented at Arlo's trial. Was Arlo again so drunk or stoned > > that he didn't know what he was saying? That would explain why it > > wasn't used. We have to trust trimbach's word that it held something > > incriminating. Since Kamook is an fbi collaborator trimbach expunges > > her complicity and guilt in everything AIM. Kamook awakens to "AIM's > > guilt" in the death of Anna Mae. She begins her own investigation into > > the case. Kamook according to Trimbach is the kindest person in the > > world. She doesn't even hold it against her "best friend" that she was > > having an affair with her husband. Trimbach doesn't recognize Kamook > > as Dennis' wife. He continually calls her Dennis' common law wife. > > Trimbach's racism leaks through though he tries to control it. His > > sexism spews all over the place. It's funny how he names and describes > > the many women duped by Peltier. He lists the many famous and > > intelligent people (The Dalai Lama, Senator Inouye, etc.) who believe > > in Leonard's innocence and work to free him. He names and attacks > > hollywood movie stars for being so naive as to be hoodwinked by AIM. > > He gives his interpretation of Price's words to Anna Mae. That if she > > didn't cooperate she would be dead before the year was over. We are > > told that Price was actually warning Anna Mae that she was in danger > > of being killed by AIm. Trimbach states that unscrupulous AIM spin > > meisters twisted those words. He takes on each "myth" that has grown > > up around WK73 and Pine Ridge. He denies that the fbi armed the goons > > despite Duane Brewers appearances in documentaries stating that they > > did. Brewer laughs as he tells how the fbi provided them with armor > > piercing rounds. Trimbach calls up Brewer and elicits a retraction and > > statement that Matthiessen etc. took his statement out of context. He > > says an fbi agent friend gave him the armor piercing rounds so he > > could protect his wife and children. Couldn't that fbi agent be > > brought up on charges for givin bullets that were only available to > > the military to a civilian to be used against a militant group? > > Trimbach doesn't think to ask or answer that question. Trimbach also > > praises paulprice for doing a 180 degree turn in his support of > > Pelter. Yet he refers to paulprice later on as a self-proclaimed > > expert on AIM, Anna Mae and the fbi. More subtle racism. He credits > > two elves recitation of discovering that his brother was sexually > > abusing his own daughter as awakening him to this dark part of Indian > > life today. Two elves posted that story on alt.native. He had also > > said that his brother had abused two elves daughter. I emailed two > > elves off list and told him that he should get his daughter and niece > > into counseling so that their healing can begin. I confided that I was > > a survivor. When I began defending Arlo's right to be considered > > innocent until proven guilty, two elves used that against me, > > threatening to make my pain public. That is no modern day hero to me. > > We all knew going in that the book was a white wash of the fbi's > > criminal activities against Indian people. Trimbach quotes Russell > > means as saying that Tim Giagos paper is only worthy of being used in > > the outhouse. Trimbach's book is too slimy for even that.
> This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > reservation, and any public vilification of her can only stem from > ignorance and by repeating the slurs of a few AIMsters afraid of the > truth.- Hide quoted text -
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This is not a formal review, although I probably will do one. Everyone I know who was involved in the old days couldn't stomach reading the book for it's obvious lies and blatant coverup. You do know that not everyone in the movement was AIM. The fishing rights activists predate AIM. The occupation of FT Lewis and Alcatraz predates AIM. Trimbach was crowing that he got the girl. He is a funny old man. You have known Kamook for 30 years? Good for you. She isn't well liked here in the PNW. But I have nothing against her. Except for what she did to Arlo. Don't you like my "name?" It's a good one here in the PNW. I think it's funny that all you goon and iwj types wear masks. I use my real name and stand by what I say. Oh well, you're probably paulprice in a dress.
> On Feb 10, 7:05 am, Paul Wolf <paulw...@icdc.com> wrote:
> > > This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > > > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > > > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > > > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > > > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > > > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > > > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > > > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > > > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > > > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > > > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > > > reservation
> > ..
> betta go find yer Mad Moo Monkey Jefe, cuz...yaKnow...
> it jezt ain't safe fer U witout her...
> i meanz...neither U Nor Her belongz...But...leezt wayz...wit her...ya > gotz a chance...
> last word i got waz...she LOST in her own bathroom N Cain't find her > way out...
> she Do got a Petition Circulatin' in her behalf tho...
> OOPS...it went down da drain...
> Hee Hee
Anna Mae doesn't belong to you. You sold her out to the fbi. The Anna Mae story is the story of Indian women. You're the outsider. Go back and sit on trimbach's lap. I doan't think sales were good. lol. Maybe you should do your dance to comfort him.
> On Feb 10, 7:05 am, Paul Wolf <paulw...@icdc.com> wrote:
> > > This review does not do justice to the excellent, informative book > > > written by a man whose credentials are impeccable. If "Monica" knew > > > Kamook , she would not, I am certain, refer to her as "the girl." I > > > have known Kamook for nearly thirty years, and was a guest in the > > > Banks house. Kamook is a good woman, a strong woman, ans she's got > > > more spirituality in her little finger than Dennis Banks and Russell > > > Means rolled into one. Women who attempt to besmirch her are > > > repeating the lies of a handful of AIM thugs,scared in their old age > > > that the truth will out. I repeat, so that everyone reading this note > > > can reflect on it: Kamook Banks Ecoffey is a brave, solid, and > > > truthful Oglala Lakota woman, respected by Oglala Lakota people on her > > > reservation
> > ..
> betta go find yer Mad Moo Monkey Jefe, cuz...yaKnow...
> it jezt ain't safe fer U witout her...
> i meanz...neither U Nor Her belongz...But...leezt wayz...wit her...ya > gotz a chance...
> last word i got waz...she LOST in her own bathroom N Cain't find her > way out...
> she Do got a Petition Circulatin' in her behalf tho...
> OOPS...it went down da drain...
> Hee Hee
Another two elves lie. I will continue exposing you and paulprice. The fbi didn't recruit you for your ability to tell truth though did they? They recruited you for your ability to LIE! Again, the story of Anna Mae is the story of Indian women. You are the outsider. You are the one using her as a weapon to get AIM.
The fbi really loves you. You're a good lap dog. I was banned for about 15 or 20 minutes. Couldn't post. I was told I had to reapply.
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