Native art & Jewlery FEATURE YOUR ART
Thunderbird Designs
FEATURE YOUR ART ON OUR WEBSITE or
HAVE US HOST YOUR WEBSITE ON OUR SERVERS
www.thunderbirddesigns.com/YOUR-NAME-HERE or
HAVE US DESIGN YOUR WEBSITE
all for very reasonable rates
We've updated our website
please go check it out.
We now have an artists corner where we can feature your
art and jewlery, email. thunderbi...@shaw.ca for details
Also some feedback on our site overall would be appreciated
Jennifergiggle
Thunderbird Designs
we dont see any problem with trying to make a living
and helping any other native/first nations artists make a living.
do you?
btw you always have the option to not open the post
Jennifergiggle
btw you are right about the option (permission/suggestion) to miss the
one a day post.
egads that I would hamper any other native/first nations artists'
ability to make a living.
Well, just oops,
Jen
Thunderbird Designs
an opinion *shrugs*
Anuh1
<thunderbi...@shaw.ca> writes:
>
>your opinion is just that
>an opinion *shrugs*
Regardless of what or WHO's opinion you are talking about, that is ALL you will
ever find here! And in most of the internet! ;-D
Anuh1
<theg...@bigfoot.com> writes:
Technically, it is, Jen. But whether anyone objects enough to report them is a
whole 'nuther issue! At least, it is topic appropriate spam, unlike MOST of
the spam that gets posted here! ;-D
Jennifergiggle
Anuh1 wrote:
snipped to get to Anuh,
>
> Technically, it is, Jen. But whether anyone objects enough to report them is a
> whole 'nuther issue! At least, it is topic appropriate spam, unlike MOST of
> the spam that gets posted here! ;-D
I agree, at least its topic appropriate. :)
Jen
William McLaughlin
>In article <3CB180AB...@bigfoot.com>, Jennifergiggle
><theg...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>
>>Is this spam? Or what?
[snip]
>Technically, it is, Jen. But whether anyone objects enough to report them is a
>whole 'nuther issue! At least, it is topic appropriate spam, unlike MOST of
>the spam that gets posted here! ;-D
Dear Anuh:
It is indeed. The USENET custom for non-commercial groups
allows for =one time= commercial postings of items or services related
to the newsgroup's topic. Also, short commercial announcements are
permitted at the bottom of posts that aren't otherwise of a commercial
nature (i.e. in their .sig).
These people are true spammers. I've complained twice to
their ISP and their abuse department tells me that they're trying to
stop it but the ads are being posted by multiple, unrelated accounts.
This suggests that they know full well that what they're doing is a
violation of their ISP's user policies, since they are using such
tricks in hopes of avoiding being stopped.
All the best,
Mac
(Copy sent via email.)
-----------------------------------------------------
WILLIAM MC LAUGHLIN
vaga...@voicenet.com
Affiliation: Card-carrying member of the Whiteboy Tribe
Indian Name: Running Joke
Power Animal: Brontosaurus (mine's bigger!)
-----------------------------------------------------
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil
interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the
National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping
of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall
Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua
for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912
(where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the
Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I
helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
---Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler, U.S.M.C. - 1933
Sharon Wilson
My isp has enlightened me about the acceptable usage
of service that they provided for me.
Therefore i have stopped posting those ads here
Thankyou for investigating and persuing your cause so vigilantly =)
Its really good to know people like you have the time
to nit and pick over trivial issues no one involved you with.
What we were doing i didnt consider spam
BUT only YOU can prevent spam
And I was unaware
"William McLaughlin" <vaga...@voicenet.com> wrote in message
news:rnbfbucu7veagrimc...@4ax.com...
Anuh1
<swi...@home.com> writes:
>My isp has enlightened me about the acceptable usage
>of service that they provided for me.
>Therefore i have stopped posting those ads here
>Thankyou for investigating and persuing your cause so vigilantly =)
>Its really good to know people like you have the time
>to nit and pick over trivial issues no one involved you with.
>What we were doing i didnt consider spam
>BUT only YOU can prevent spam
Whether YOU consider something to be Spam or not is unimportant. And it wasn't
just Mac who interpreted it that way. Since your customer base COULD very well
come primarily from sources like alt.native, it might be advisable not to be
snotty towards someone just because they corrected your misrepresentation.
Anuh1
<vaga...@voicenet.com> writes:
>On 13 Apr 2002 01:50:44 GMT, an...@aol.com (Anuh1) wrote:
>
>>In article <3CB180AB...@bigfoot.com>, Jennifergiggle
>><theg...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>>
>>>Is this spam? Or what?
>
>[snip]
>
>>Technically, it is, Jen. But whether anyone objects enough to report them
>is a
>>whole 'nuther issue! At least, it is topic appropriate spam, unlike MOST of
>>the spam that gets posted here! ;-D
>
>Dear Anuh:
>
> It is indeed. The USENET custom for non-commercial groups
>allows for =one time= commercial postings of items or services related
>to the newsgroup's topic. Also, short commercial announcements are
>permitted at the bottom of posts that aren't otherwise of a commercial
>nature (i.e. in their .sig).
>
> These people are true spammers. I've complained twice to
>their ISP and their abuse department tells me that they're trying to
>stop it but the ads are being posted by multiple, unrelated accounts.
>This suggests that they know full well that what they're doing is a
>violation of their ISP's user policies, since they are using such
>tricks in hopes of avoiding being stopped.
>
Whether people like to accept it or not, all unsolicited commercial
advertisements on the internet are considered to be SPAM! I've had many a
spammer tell me they had the RIGHT to send out an advertisement, but in truth
they don't and some ISP's will close their accounts for that. Others are far
more lenient.
Thanks for clarifying how it works. I know that as soon as my webpage is up, I
have to notify all my PAST CUSTOMERS! Anyone else wanting a notice of the
webpage will also get a copy of the email, but only upon request. Since I sell
antiques and collectibles, and rarely have anything NA for sale, posting a
notice here would NOT be topical! ;-D
Wayne George
hi,Anuh1
The Smiling Crow :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Anuh1" <an...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020413212547...@mb-dh.aol.com...
Thunderbird Designs
and perhaps i reacted wrong.
Its just that we weren't knowingly doing something wrong.
We're just starting out here and we're bound to make a few mistakes.
And honestly i've had a long few days
we've been swamped with orders since we updated the webpage to $12.80 per pair
american.
So sorry to the guy who i was snotty to
jason fenner
Jennifergiggle
Congratulations on the good business. A few mistakes is understandable, really.
The guy's name is Mac.
Jen
Jennifergiggle
Could you post the link in your sig line when it is up?
Jen
William McLaughlin
wrote:
>Mr McLaughlin
>My isp has enlightened me about the acceptable usage
>of service that they provided for me.
>Therefore i have stopped posting those ads here
>Thankyou for investigating and persuing your cause so vigilantly =)
>Its really good to know people like you have the time
>to nit and pick over trivial issues no one involved you with.
>What we were doing i didnt consider spam
>BUT only YOU can prevent spam
Ms. Wilson:
Yes, I guess the only time =you= have for alt.native is to try
to suck money out of it. Have you (or your spamming associates)
posted =ANYTHING= other than advertisements here? Do you give a damn
about alt.native (or NDNs) other than as a source of cash?
Based on your actions here, one can only conclude that you
only care about Indians as people who can help realize your dreams of
fortune. After all, actions speak louder than words, and =ALL= of
your actions here were aimed at the goal of sucking up some cash.
William McLaughlin
>Whether people like to accept it or not, all unsolicited commercial
>advertisements on the internet are considered to be SPAM! I've had many a
>spammer tell me they had the RIGHT to send out an advertisement, but in truth
>they don't and some ISP's will close their accounts for that. Others are far
>more lenient.
>
>Thanks for clarifying how it works. I know that as soon as my webpage is up, I
>have to notify all my PAST CUSTOMERS! Anyone else wanting a notice of the
>webpage will also get a copy of the email, but only upon request. Since I sell
>antiques and collectibles, and rarely have anything NA for sale, posting a
>notice here would NOT be topical! ;-D
Dear Anuh:
Well, as I said, it's considered perfectly acceptable to place
a small notice in your .sig, as long as it's attached to something
that's on-topic.
JRWolf
JRWolf
"William McLaughlin" <vaga...@voicenet.com> wrote in message
news:cjjjbusi4vmm8en40...@4ax.com...
Thunderbird Designs
I was at a friends house when i posted that message to you.
Based on your messages, one can only conclude that your very un-informed.
I'll lay it all out on the table for you and for anyone else interested.
First of all, our actions here.
We're giving native artists a forum to showcase and sell their
artwork or jewlery.
Not to make a fortune, but to make a living, to pay the bills and to
feed his or her family.
And if that persons artwork or jewlery does well, then good for them.
We also only feature native/first
nation artists.
We're not promising riches beyond belief.
But we can promise that a few hundred people a week visit our site
and will see artwork and jewlery that is showcased there.
Here is a link to where we're featuring other artists.
http://www.thunderbirddesigns.com/gallery.html
The list is small right now, but we're in talks with three other artists
right now
including world renouned inuit artist
George Arlook. (Amazing wildlife soapstone carvings)
The way we look at it is that we're trying to help first nation peoples
not capitalize on them.
And based on that I feel that we do give a damn about indians/first nation people and eveything inbetween.
On the business side of it
alt.native is literally 1 of thousands of places we advertise
Advertising is not cheap trust me and takes alot of time
And i'm not sure where you come from
but nothing is free where i am
You make it sound like i'm forcing people to purchase from us.
If someone wants to purchase, not purchase, visit the site or not,
praise it or knock it, its all up to them.
Mac dont be so bitter.
Some people actually like the site.
and some people dont see a problem in making an honest living for us
and others.
No doubt i'll now recieve hate mail or something
but that is my honest stance on everything.
Jason Fenner
Thunderbird Designs
www.thunderbirddesigns.com
Anuh1
<theg...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>Hi Anuh,
>Could you post the link in your sig line when it is up?
I'm surely going to try to remember to, jen. But first my son has to finish
the database that is the entire support for the webpage! His programming job
went the way of so many this past winter, and he's using this to hone some of
his skills while doing his Mama a favor! ;-D (He is going to get some really
NICE collectibles for his trouble!)
Anuh1
<wa...@turtleback.net> writes:
>
>HEY!!...was that a "plug"?
>hi,Anuh1
>
Naw, would I do that, Wayne??? But, I figured if anyone WANTED to be put on
the list, I was willing to take names! ;-D
It may be a while and I think I will take Mac's advice and just put a link in
my signature! No one can fault me for putting a link in my signature, I
understand!
;-D
Anuh1
<thunderbi...@shaw.ca> writes:
>well our customer base isnt concentrated here on news groups
>and perhaps i reacted wrong.
>Its just that we weren't knowingly doing something wrong.
>We're just starting out here and we're bound to make a few mistakes.
>And honestly i've had a long few days
>we've been swamped with orders since we updated the webpage to $12.80 per
>pair
>american.
>So sorry to the guy who i was snotty to
>
Your apologize is well noted by me, and I hope by Mac as well!
We all have to learn. The best lessons are the ones we learn the hard way, and
sometimes they make us take a good look at how we see ourselves!
Anuh1
<vaga...@voicenet.com> writes:
>>Thanks for clarifying how it works. I know that as soon as my webpage is
>up, I
>>have to notify all my PAST CUSTOMERS! Anyone else wanting a notice of the
>>webpage will also get a copy of the email, but only upon request. Since I
>sell
>>antiques and collectibles, and rarely have anything NA for sale, posting a
>>notice here would NOT be topical! ;-D
>
>Dear Anuh:
>
> Well, as I said, it's considered perfectly acceptable to place
>a small notice in your .sig, as long as it's attached to something
>that's on-topic.
>
If I can remember that long enough (which seems doubtful these days), I'll do
that. My son says it will be a while before he is finished with what he is
doing on it! ;-D