Memorial Thread: Alt.Native Members Who Have Passed Over
sundaysunda...@yahoo.com
to remember group members who we've lost and their contributions over
the years.
The list of those we remember and honor include:
Graywolf
HispanApche
Jason Spaulding
Michael Two Horses
Wade Wofford
I know there have been others; time for others to add the names.
The poster formerly known as LL, sending good wishes to all
Jim
<sundaysunda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Good to hear from you LL. Been a while.
Jim
oldwifetale
> After hearing of the death of Wade Wofford, I thought it might be nice
> to remember group members who we've lost and their contributions over
> the years.
>
> The list of those we remember and honor include:
>
> Graywolf
> HispanApche
> Jason Spaulding
> Michael Two Horses
> Wade Wofford
Two more wonderful alt.native posters known as:
"Anuh1"
"Lunatic Fringe"
>
> I know there have been others; time for others to add the names.
>
> The poster formerly known as LL, sending good wishes to all
Very good to see you, LL. :)
Donna
Monica
When Mike was working on his thesis about Makah whaling, he went into
the antiwhalers stronghold and interviewed them. He went alone. I am
sorry he didn't get to publish his book. It showed the racism of the
antiwhalers. He exposed Paul Watson for what he is. Jason was funny
and went toe to toe with the best of them. Jason would sign his rants
"Kemosabe," then come up with different interpretations of the word.
The antiwhalers were always threatening to sue Mike and Jason, but
never did. When Jason was out here he posed as a journalist and
interviewed some of the antiwhalers. I am sorry he didn't get to do
his book either. It would have been a good one. Individual people do
make a difference. Mike and Jason are proof of that.
On Feb 2, 8:04 pm, sundaysunday9676-nel...@yahoo.com wrote:
kat010
I'm so glad you added those names. Funny, I could remember some topics
and wit, but not the log-in names!
LL
kat010
Mike GrayWolf.
LL
Monica
I was talking about Mike Two Horses. Before my time? When was that?
Wayne George
I recall the many good words between Anuh1 and myself. Lunatic Fringe will
forever be in my heart..especially one particular fishing trip he insisted I
attend..
wayne :-)george
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Aloha LL! and thank you Donna for remembering more folks we miss
forever. We say we wish Alt Native were like it used to be. That my
dear's is impossable. Most of the people that made Alt Native work
well are gone. I read back in the arcives and remember so many with a
great smile. never forgeting Aloha.
lisa
Monica
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Too many real Indians now?
Rick
kat010 wrote:
> Thanks, Donna.
>
> I'm so glad you added those names. Funny, I could remember some topics
> and wit, but not the log-in names!
>
> LL
>
Not a bad Epitaph.
"Remembered for his words and wit."
I could live with that.
Oh, wait! That rather defeats the purpose.... ;-)
oldwifetale
The names on that list were people who contributed a lot to this ng.
Many good people have posted here through the years, both indian and
'not'. Some have crossed over and some remain - but they were all part
of the history of alt.native. Their words will be remembered - as will
the days when posters were exchanging seeds via snail mail, and poetry
wars 'raged on'. I think maybe it's hard for people who were not
regularly reading and posting in the 'early days' of alt.native to
understand the sentimental feelings that some of us have 'now'... but
i think it was a good thing LL did by posting this thread.
"Lest we forget."
Donna
blut...@gmail.com
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Aloha Donna, I wish these day's I could type like I used too. Just to
convey how comforting your words are here today.
Much Aloha's!
lisa
Flint_...@hotmail.com
before u time waz before u came to tryn trash me...
er, i mean before dey sent u...
wha...ya don remember?
Flint_...@hotmail.com
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MONICA!...
git a grip on yerself...
DANG!
Flint_...@hotmail.com
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even da ole Flint know where NOT to go...
Monica
name.
Monica
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There were very good white people like Jason. He didn't try to control
what Indians said. He may have disagreed but he didn't try to control.
I have read alt.native for a long time and wasn't interested. I was on
here during Makah whaling before this list was moved to google. My
only interest is Anna Mae and Treaty rights. Just out of curiosity
Donna, why does a white woman want to post on an Indian discussion
site? Just curious, not looking for a fight. I miss Jason's
intelligence and humor. He was fun to talk with. He was a friend
without being invasive. Not many white people can do that.
Flint_...@hotmail.com
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i pologize fer monicaz inability to git it sorted out...
k now monica...ya member wha to say?
oldwifetale
I just figured (for the past nine years) 'why not?'
And then... of course... since i am a one-ng woman and do not post
much elsewhere... i figure that i do not want to alienate myself here
from anyone's affections by giving the silent treatment or walking a
wide circle around everyone. That would be self-defeating. Otherwise i
would say that i post here because it is now very familiar and i am
(or would like to be) a creature of habit. But mostly i chalk it up to
chemistry and the laws of attraction.
Plus... sometimes i like to make y'all laugh.
It gives me pleasure.
Is THAT so wrong?
At least... that is why *one* white woman likes to post on an indian
discussion site.
Wish i could come up with a more fascinating motivation, but that's
all i got.
Wayne George
And other may see you as.. *white*
But.....what do "they" know..????
That I could not fit into one sentence..????
I am of The Anishinabe People.....All who live and breath are of some
*People* somewhere.
This News Group...can Kiss My Red Ass good-by....if I thought for one
freaking second..*anyone* here can question why any other living breathing
person should not have a *voice* here.
Just because this says it is " Alt.Native "...DON'T MAKE IT INDIAN.
And anyone who questions..insults the memory of those gone...
Yeh..and Trolls to boot...............
wayne :-( george
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"oldwifetale" <oldwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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blut...@gmail.com
> You may be ..*white*...
> And other may see you as.. *white*
> But.....what do "they" know..????
> That I could not fit into one sentence..????
>
> I am of The Anishinabe People.....All who live and breath are of some
> *People* somewhere.
> This News Group...can Kiss My Red Ass good-by....if I thought for one
> freaking second..*anyone* here can question why any other living breathing
> person should not have a *voice* here.
> Just because this says it is " Alt.Native "...DON'T MAKE IT INDIAN.
> And anyone who questions..insults the memory of those gone...
> Yeh..and Trolls to boot...............
>
> wayne :-( george
So very well said Wayne George! My kids used to talk about this site
and how it was a place they would be proud to wear the "t shirt". I am
baby sitting my almost two yr old grandson while my daughter and her
husband are off Island to have his sister any day now. I look at my
grandkids and wonder now what will be the threads that connect their
lives to the cultures that run through their viens. I hold great hope
one day Alt Native will be "t shirt" worthy again. I know those who
have passed still breath their wisdom here and alway's will.
Much Aloha WG truly.
lisa
Monica
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Thanks donna, just wondering.
Monica
> You may be ..*white*...
> And other may see you as.. *white*
> But.....what do "they" know..????
> That I could not fit into one sentence..????
>
> I am of The Anishinabe People.....All who live and breath are of some
> *People* somewhere.
> This News Group...can Kiss My Red Ass good-by....if I thought for one
> freaking second..*anyone* here can question why any other living breathing
> person should not have a *voice* here.
> Just because this says it is " Alt.Native "...DON'T MAKE IT INDIAN.
> And anyone who questions..insults the memory of those gone...
> Yeh..and Trolls to boot...............
>
> wayne :-( george
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Gee WGl, are you as defensive about Indians as you are about white
women? I thought this was a site to discuss Indian issues. And white
women do not have a right to silence us.
Wayne George
You "seem like" a few Native Indian women in My Family..."the moment they
see the word *white*,they start thinking in the negative"....
If that is you...then I suggest you have a long way to go Monica...to reach
your potential.
wayne :-( george
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axuwally...it'z bout..."People indigenous to an area before modern
colonisation"
n IF ya knowz ANYTING bout world history, deyz a lot o "white" people
included in dat...
sorry yer sooooooo Konfuzed mOnica...
Flint_...@hotmail.com
> You *think* ..Donna is trying to "silence you"...????
> You "seem like" a few Native Indian women in My Family..."the moment they
> see the word *white*,they start thinking in the negative"....
> If that is you...then I suggest you have a long way to go Monica...to reach
> your potential.
>
> wayne :-( george
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Potential...wha u tryin b nice wg?
publius2k
As is common with so many peoples,...
Abenaki called themselves Alnanbal meaning "men."
Bayougoula name for themselves was "Ischenoca" which translates approximately as "our
people."
Catawba used for themselves the name Iyeye (people) or Nieye(real people).
In their own language, Comanches referred to themselves as the Nemene 'our people.'
The Delaware called themselves Lenape translated either as "original people" or "true
men."
Illinois is the French version of their own name Illiniwek meaning "men" or "people".
Lakota means "Strong Friend," or "Ally".
Mi'mkaq comes from a word from their own language meaning "allies."
Montagnais and Naskapi today refer to themselves as the Innu, or "people." or Neenoilno
(perfect people)
The Ojibwe, Ottawa and Potawatomi call themselves Anishinabe (Anishinaubag, Neshnabek)
meaning "original men", "people"
In their own language the Cherokee originally called themselves the Aniyunwiya (or
Anniyaya) "principal people"
I am a human being.
I am a 'real people'.
I am a friend and ally.
Therefore...
I am Alnanbal.
I am Anishinabe.
I am Aniyunwiya.
I am Illiniwek.
I am Innu.
I am Ischenoca.
I am Iyeye.
I am Lakota.
I am Lenape.
I am Mi'mkaq.
I try to be Neenoilno.
I am Nemene.
I am Nieye.
I am human.
--
Said American [Indian] Chieftain Acuera in reply to
the invader de Soto's demand for submission to
the king and the church so as to 'enjoy the benefits
of 'civilization' and service:
"I have long since learned who you [European Christians] are,
through others of you who came years ago to my land;
and I already know very well what your customs and
behavior are like. To me you are professional
vagabonds who wander from place to place,
gaining your livelihood by robbing, sacking and
murdering people who have given you no offense.
... Accordingly, I and all of my people have vowed
to die a hundred deaths to maintain the freedom
of our land. This is our answer, both
for the present and forevermore."
-- "Florida of the Inca" (1591)
by El Inca [aka Garcilaso de la Vega]
- First American Author to be published.
Monica
> You *think* ..Donna is trying to "silence you"...????
> You "seem like" a few Native Indian women in My Family..."the moment they
> see the word *white*,they start thinking in the negative"....
> If that is you...then I suggest you have a long way to go Monica...to reach
> your potential.
>
> wayne :-( george
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I was talking about Lisa. You remind me of a lot of Indian men that
won't take a stand on anything but white women. That's your response
to racism.
Monica
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Klallam means strong people. A Skokomish chief was bulding a new
house. He invited all the Tribes to help. He wanted to build the
biggest long house ever. He was using big trees, like a log house.
None of the Tribes could lift the logs. When it came to our turn, we
rolled the logs into the water, then got under them and packed them
out of the water and put them in place. The other Tribes called us the
"Strong People."
Wayne George
Well mibe just a bit FC.
The "words from Monica"..reminded me of what one today would be called a
*Bully*....
Nd to me..The term "bully" ..is like the word "racial"...meaning it can be
worn by any group of folks.
Seems to me..that Monica is in the "business" of turning 'words
around'...well,gotta put breadnbutter on the table somehow i suppose.
Me..?..I live up here in this stolen country calling itself *canada*...nd i
can see that Your Prince and his folks want to keep youall surrounded by
fences. I suppose that's because of something 'god' said...but it don't
appear many 'tourist types' will be entering into *canada*...unless it's
those with lots of shounia to spread around.Heck..id even take monica for a
'tour' ifin she and hers ever got it into their heads to come up to *canada*
for some R&R. Same goes for you FC...but I suspect you are not much into
rest and relaxation...or are you????
wayne ;-) george
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Wayne George
have a good day
wayne ;-) george
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"Monica" <yan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Flint_...@hotmail.com
> Nice..??
> Well mibe just a bit FC.
> The "words from Monica"..reminded me of what one today would be called a
> *Bully*....
> Nd to me..The term "bully" ..is like the word "racial"...meaning it can be
> worn by any group of folks.
> Seems to me..that Monica is in the "business" of turning 'words
> around'...well,gotta put breadnbutter on the table somehow i suppose.
>
> Me..?..I live up here in this stolen country calling itself *canada*...nd i
> can see that Your Prince and his folks want to keep youall surrounded by
> fences. I suppose that's because of something 'god' said...but it don't
> appear many 'tourist types' will be entering into *canada*...unless it's
> those with lots of shounia to spread around.Heck..id even take monica for a
> 'tour' ifin she and hers ever got it into their heads to come up to *canada*
> for some R&R. Same goes for you FC...but I suspect you are not much into
> rest and relaxation...or are you????
>
> wayne ;-) george
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dat b right nice axuwally...25 yrs at 9,500 ft, now back inna urban
jungle...it'd b smooth to git out...which i do often enuff...specially
when i;m huntin, (man not animal)...
got a nephew in Yellowknife, a son in laska...it could b onna way...
den gin...RnR b a wayz off yet...
blut...@gmail.com
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read your words monica! you obviosly don't know many Indian men. And
as for racism? your words wreek of racism!
Monica
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You are white, Lisa.
Monica
> Nice..??
> Well mibe just a bit FC.
> The "words from Monica"..reminded me of what one today would be called a
> *Bully*....
> Nd to me..The term "bully" ..is like the word "racial"...meaning it can be
> worn by any group of folks.
> Seems to me..that Monica is in the "business" of turning 'words
> around'...well,gotta put breadnbutter on the table somehow i suppose.
>
> Me..?..I live up here in this stolen country calling itself *canada*...nd i
> can see that Your Prince and his folks want to keep youall surrounded by
> fences. I suppose that's because of something 'god' said...but it don't
> appear many 'tourist types' will be entering into *canada*...unless it's
> those with lots of shounia to spread around.Heck..id even take monica for a
> 'tour' ifin she and hers ever got it into their heads to come up to *canada*
> for some R&R. Same goes for you FC...but I suspect you are not much into
> rest and relaxation...or are you????
>
> wayne ;-) george
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No thanks WG. "Canada" is just across the water. When I go it is to
visit relatives or for dances. The issue of racism and white women has
never been addressed by any Indian group. I doubt that it will. But be
assured it is discussed by Indian women. Ask the women in your family.
Bully? Two Elk threatens to kill someone daily and you call me a
bully? For what, defending myself? I have never seen you stand up for
an Indian woman or even stand with one. Yet you threaten to leave over
a white woman.
blut...@gmail.com
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you don't know me and you are a sad paranoid lier.
Monica
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You started this Lisa. You do not have the right to tell Indians what
they can or cannot say on an Indian discussion list. You are white.
You don't know me either.
Wayne George
be in line with your thought process*
Hence..you are a "bully".........plain and simple.
IF.....you consider "defending yourself....by calling others down..then you
are a bully"...........
You have never "seen" me..........
You have seen my "words"........
You may.......have a problem with the "men"....in "your family"..........
I have no "problem"...with the women in my family...........
Your "racism".is turning inward....and will consume you
And ..for that reason...I feel something for you...........
Just what that 'something is'..I'm not quite sure. As I have only your
'words' to look at and read.
That..is the small soap-box from which falls the words of this insignificant
person.
Be well Monica
wayne :-( george
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Monica
> Like I said Monica..*You are in the business ..of turning around "words" to
> be in line with your thought process*
> Hence..you are a "bully".........plain and simple.
> IF.....you consider "defending yourself....by calling others down..then you
> are a bully"...........
>
> You have never "seen" me..........
> You have seen my "words"........
>
> You may.......have a problem with the "men"....in "your family"..........
> I have no "problem"...with the women in my family...........
>
> Your "racism".is turning inward....and will consume you
> And ..for that reason...I feel something for you...........
> Just what that 'something is'..I'm not quite sure. As I have only your
> 'words' to look at and read.
> That..is the small soap-box from which falls the words of this insignificant
> person.
>
> Be well Monica
>
> wayne :-( george
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You be well too Wayne.
Wayne George
would "leave"..just because of one "white woman" as you put it. Me thinks
yous putin your spin on my words..may i suggest you reread my words...I'm
sure you will get it in the end..
respectfully
wayne ;-) george
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Monica
> Geez Monica...I went over what I'd said..and I fail to see where I said I
> would "leave"..just because of one "white woman" as you put it. Me thinks
> yous putin your spin on my words..may i suggest you reread my words...I'm
> sure you will get it in the end..
> respectfully
>
> wayne ;-) george
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Wayne you have been trying to pick a fight with me for a long time. I
have been ignoring you because I have no need nor desire to fight with
you. You seem to have to be fighting with someone. Joe and the others
that were upset with you polluting the environment with your atv's and
selling whatever are gone. So I seem to be the designated one. I know
what you said.
Monica
I am of The Anishinabe People.....All who live and breath are of
some
*People* somewhere.
This News Group...can Kiss My Red Ass good-by....if I thought for one
freaking second..*anyone* here can question why any other living
breathing
person should not have a *voice* here.
Just because this says it is " Alt.Native "...DON'T MAKE IT INDIAN.
And anyone who questions..insults the memory of those gone...
Yeh..and Trolls to boot...............
wayne :-( george
On Feb 9, 4:52 pm, "Wayne George" <gw-geo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Geez Monica...I went over what I'd said..and I fail to see where I said I
> would "leave"..just because of one "white woman" as you put it. Me thinks
> yous putin your spin on my words..may i suggest you reread my words...I'm
> sure you will get it in the end..
> respectfully
>
> wayne ;-) george
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Wayne George
about...
As for you saying "I'm polluting the environment"...that's the first time
I've seen that in print...so that is more "evidence" you are in the
"bully-business"..
As for me "trying to pick a fight with you"...Heck,anyone who can speak or
type words on a keyboard...is therefore the "enemy' in your eyes.
Monica..you seem to have a REAL PROBLEM. And Sweetie...I sure hope you can
address it soon..
Just so's *WE ALL*..get the fact's in line..You,Monica..jumped on me
first..I'm just responding to your "bully-like-tactics" in fun....You in all
your wildest dreams could never hurt me with 'words or actions'...even if
they were directed back at yourself..which in that case,would be sad,and
cause some feelings in me. I'm sure you are a good person at heart....but
why you spit and cruse nd kick nd bitch at life...is your issue...and I wish
you all the luck in the world.
Keep stroking.
wayne :-) george
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"Monica" <yan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Wayne George
THERE IS NO POINT .in pointing it out for you.
You could NEVER see it.....so stop looking...and go about your business.
it's pointless.
wayne :-( george
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"Monica" <yan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Monica
> Nope...You be wrong again on a lot of "issues" in regards to what I am
> about...
> As for you saying "I'm polluting the environment"...that's the first time
> I've seen that in print...so that is more "evidence" you are in the
> "bully-business"..
> As for me "trying to pick a fight with you"...Heck,anyone who can speak or
> type words on a keyboard...is therefore the "enemy' in your eyes.
> Monica..you seem to have a REAL PROBLEM. And Sweetie...I sure hope you can
> address it soon..
>
> Just so's *WE ALL*..get the fact's in line..You,Monica..jumped on me
> first..I'm just responding to your "bully-like-tactics" in fun....You in all
> your wildest dreams could never hurt me with 'words or actions'...even if
> they were directed back at yourself..which in that case,would be sad,and
> cause some feelings in me. I'm sure you are a good person at heart....but
> why you spit and cruse nd kick nd bitch at life...is your issue...and I wish
> you all the luck in the world.
> Keep stroking.
>
> wayne :-) george
>
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There is nothing wrong with me Wayne. I'm fine. There is a response to
racism by Indian men. You see it on all our reservations, all our
communities. The white man stole power from Indian men. Indian men
turn and steal power from Indian women and children. You see a lot of
physical, sexual, and mental abuse in our communities by Indian men.
That has to be faced and healed. Do you know of the movie about the
soap lake community? It is an old movie and very good. It is about
alcoholism. The community had 100% alcoholism among the adults and
most of the youth. One woman decided to change and quit drinking. When
her husband decided to quit, he took leadership. It was a struggle,
but at the end of the movie they had one hundred percent sobriety. At
the end of that documentary they decided to face the next problem. It
was the sexual abuse that was introduced by residential schools. The
Nuuchanulth communities are marching to stop that. Even on the
internet discussion lists you see Indian men who want to silence
Indian women. You see a lot of Indian men who see white women on your
arm as success symbols. One of my cousins came home with a masters in
english and a white wife. I told him one time that our white
nutritionist said that she had Indian ancestors. Her husband is the
director of our Fisheries program and Indian. He said, "No, he has his
Masters." The wife of an educated Indian man couldn't have a wife with
Indian blood. To be successful he has to have a white wife. It's a
response to racism. I was talking with a white psychologist friend
about the white women who hang around Indians and specialize in Indian
men. She said they have low self esteem and go where they can be
considered special because they don't think they're special.
If you take a group of people and commit genocide on them. You will
have a people that have all the problems we do. We are all walking
wounded.
Sorry wayne, but I am okay. I probably have every problem that modern
Indian women carry. I'm working on my healing. I probably will for the
rest of my life. Oh by the way, I was just appointed to the commission
on racism in Port Angeles. So it is a problem that I think about a lot
and seek solutions. If you have any ideas I would like to hear them.
Wayne George
And as a "Point of Fact"...I do agree with your beginning statements about
"Indian Men"..
I do not agree with your "Idea" that all Indian Men steal their "power" from
Indian Women as your reply suggests.
A large and growing number of "Indian Men"...are looking at the mannerisms
of Indian Women today..and wondering where all their whining and bitching
comes from...(and yes,the Indian Woman has every right to cry foul)... They
take up this battle against "men" and pass it on to their children. I've
seen it myself in the inner parts of Vancouver...where "those" in control
lay all the blame on Indian Men..
They somehow forget that living a Life with another Human Being is a two way
affair. It's like the Pharmaceutical Companies..they don't want a
"Cure-all-pill"...Hell,if that were to happen...Where would They get their
$$money$$ from...
The same for those Safe-Houses for abused women and "Those People"..."WHO
WORK THERE"....If all the Indian Men suddenly began to not abuse Indian
Women..and live Life in a more meaningful way..."Those People" would be out
of a job. I hope you can see my meaning of "Those People"...
I've seen first hand what their *brain-washing* does to Indian Women and
Children....
I'm not saying ALL of "Those People" are in the same boat...but I assure
you,the majority of them are.
When Indian Women and Indian Men can come together and start ....The Healing
Process...together...That might be a step forwards. Having Those People near
and perhaps in the same room...who are trained and have enough experience to
handle issues,would also be advantageous.
I'm happy for you and your new "position"...
Racism will ...Forever be a part of the human condition...and no matter what
is done to eradicate it...IT will be with us forever.
The is one of The Facts of Life. Learning to *live with it*...is a first
response.
have a good one
respectfully
wayne :-) george
www.turtlebackadventures.com
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