fbi cyberthieves
JSDill
stealing material from dickshovel.com? They relented and took this piece
off their site.
Can't remember whether I mentioned it or not but they also stole
material from the NAV.
Bottom line is that they have it and refuse to take it off their site.
All lawyers I have talked say there is nothing to do and if I continue
to call them the thieves they are I can be hammered in court.
Was going to write this up and make and issue but frankly see no point.
Why am I mentioning it here? Well, it they can steal from
indiversity.com and get away with it they can steal from any other of us
- and get away with it.
--
Jordan S. Dill, Editor
The Native American Village
<http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/native/village_native_american.asp>
lisa dillon
> Anyone remember some months back the flap re noparolepeltier.com
> stealing material from dickshovel.com? They relented and took this piece
> off their site.
>
> Can't remember whether I mentioned it or not but they also stole
> material from the NAV.
>
> Bottom line is that they have it and refuse to take it off their site.
> All lawyers I have talked say there is nothing to do and if I continue
> to call them the thieves they are I can be hammered in court.
>
> Was going to write this up and make and issue but frankly see no point.
>
> Why am I mentioning it here? Well, it they can steal from
> indiversity.com and get away with it they can steal from any other of us
> - and get away with it.
Aloha Jordan,
First Id like to say I thank you for your constant presents and
controbution to Alt Native. In all the years I have been reading,
yours have allway's been Opinion and Commentary that prompts one to
think and remember my upper most respect goes out to you.
As for fbiCybertheft, I remember well the incident and at present am
not suprized at this point.Given current Hooveresk mood and all Plus,
the lack of Laws protecting CyberWrites its just a given theft and
pledgerism will run rampent untill the hole in the web is tied.I am
not a professionel writer, I am not formaly educated for me at this
point I don't care what anyone does with what I post public that is
true free speech 'pun intended.'
If I had a body of work like yours and was spacificly "sited" I would
have expected it be protected just like any other published article or
book.Buggs in the system "the bain of our exsistence" I wish when Gore
invented this thing he would have invented the laws for protection as
well before the gates were opened yes?....Lisa D....angry humor beats
the other end of my thoughts on this pendulum
JRWolf
publishing Lisa. I think I know the way around the loophole for
Jordan, and others, in the future: Print one hardcopy each month
or week, of everything to be published on the web site. Give
this printing a formal name and an issue date. Then reference
that info on the web site. Now the web site *only* has articles
published *first* in hardcopy, and thereby unquestionably covered
by copyright laws.
JRWolf
"lisa dillon" <lisa_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Anuh1
<JRW...@barefootxxNOSPAMxxcreations.com> writes:
>Nice point about the difference in hardcopy publishing versus web
>publishing Lisa. I think I know the way around the loophole for
>Jordan, and others, in the future: Print one hardcopy each month
>or week, of everything to be published on the web site. Give
>this printing a formal name and an issue date. Then reference
>that info on the web site. Now the web site *only* has articles
>published *first* in hardcopy, and thereby unquestionably covered
>by copyright laws.
>
Good points, JR. THere is nothing in the law that requires that publication be
to a large audience.
Years ago a patent/copyright lawyer of my acquaintance told me that if you have
something you want to copyright OR patent, the best thing to do (and this
applies to unpublished manuscripts as well), was to place a complete copy in an
envelope, seal it and mail it certified mail to yourself Return Receipt
Requested. When the Return Receipt comes back, tape it to the original
envelope and file the entire thing UNOPENED in a safe place. That way, if
someone ever infringes, you have proof that it originated with you and that you
have a vested interest in it.
Falcon Hawking
>Jordan, and others, in the future:
Is that not a crock of shit? "Loopholes"? Is that not what you all said the
F.B.I. did? Funny the same tricks on the other side are somehow legitamate hey?
>Now the web site *only* has articles
>published *first* in hardcopy, and thereby unquestionably covered
>by copyright laws.
>
>JRWolf
Facinating.......is Jordon enrolled???????
Falcon Hawking
>dickshovel.com? T
Are you enrolled Jordon?In a Federally Recognized Nation? You Cherokee?
Falcon.....
Jennifergiggle
Falcon Hawking
>From: JSDill j...@sover.net
>Date: 3/2/02 12:39 PM Pacific
You had a diiferent story to tell all those years ago Jordon.Len Peltier and
you and Lisa Hellwig all had a different story.Remember "Mr.X Chronology"? Sure
you do.
Remember you and her and Len and the "Indian Country Today" Newspaper?The
attacks on Mr.Tim Giago for running the AD from the F.B.I. Retired Agents?I sat
there in disbeleif reading the planning and plottin to destroy the Newspaper
you three were doing.
Are you enrolled Jordon Dill? "Dick Shovel LTD"? Cherokee?
Oldone
> stealing material from dickshovel.com? They relented and took this piece
> off their site.
>
> Can't remember whether I mentioned it or not but they also stole
> material from the NAV.
>
> Bottom line is that they have it and refuse to take it off their site.
> All lawyers I have talked say there is nothing to do and if I continue
> to call them the thieves they are I can be hammered in court.
>
> Was going to write this up and make and issue but frankly see no point.
>
> Why am I mentioning it here? Well, it they can steal from
> indiversity.com and get away with it they can steal from any other of us
> - and get away with it.
Jordon,
According to the US Copyright Laws and the Digital Mil Copyright Act,
text may be reprinted under the "fair use" laws if it is for
educational and or research purposes and such disclaimer is noted on
the site which in this case it is. Graphics and art on the other hand
are a different story. Can't use em without permission from the
artist/designer.
Oldone
JSDill
from one place and then claim fair use. Particularly when the piece was
a paid for elsewhere.
Whatever, this example just underlines that one can steal whatever they
wish and claim fair use. Nothing is protected.
In article <9e2978c4.02030...@posting.google.com>,
natives...@yahoo.com (Oldone) wrote:
>
> Jordon,
>
> According to the US Copyright Laws and the Digital Mil Copyright Act,
> text may be reprinted under the "fair use" laws if it is for
> educational and or research purposes and such disclaimer is noted on
> the site which in this case it is. Graphics and art on the other hand
> are a different story. Can't use em without permission from the
> artist/designer.
>
> Oldone
--
Lane Baldwin
"Oldone" <natives...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e2978c4.02030...@posting.google.com...
:
: According to the US Copyright Laws and the Digital Mil Copyright Act,
: text may be reprinted under the "fair use" laws if it is for
: educational and or research purposes and such disclaimer is noted on
: the site which in this case it is. Graphics and art on the other hand
: are a different story. Can't use em without permission from the
: artist/designer.
:
: Oldone
IIRC, the page(s) taken from JSD's site were lifted in their entirety --
meaning that they took the CODE used to create the page. Even if it is legal
to take the text, it is not legal to take the code.
wr,
Lane
Oldone
As far as I know, there is not yet a way to copyright html code since
anyone can make a site with the exact same html codes as the guy next
door. I can go to the LPDC site and take one look at it and sit down
at my computer and hand code a site the exact same way without looking
at the source. Anyone with html experience can do this.
Oldone
Oldone
> Indeed. But, I always thought that one could not grab an entire piece
> from one place and then claim fair use. Particularly when the piece was
> a paid for elsewhere.
>
> Whatever, this example just underlines that one can steal whatever they
> wish and claim fair use. Nothing is protected.
>
>
Jordon,
About the only thing protected on the web is art work and graphics.
Just about anyone who wants to use text for education can do so and
claim fair use. It is the same way with a published book, although
one is only allowed to copy a percentage. As long as the party in
question does not claim the work as their own and has specifically
stated that the work is offered under the fair use clause, it is
legal. Look at all the parody sites that mimic the real sites.
www.whitehouse.org comes to mind here.
Oldone
JRWolf
news:20020303192747...@mb-fu.aol.com...
> > I think I know the way around the loophole for
> >Jordan, and others, in the future:
>
> Is that not a crock of shit? "Loopholes"? Is that not what you
all said the
> F.B.I. did? Funny the same tricks on the other side are somehow
legitamate hey?
>
Learn to comprehend the words Donna. I was *not* suggesting a
loophole. I was suggesting a method of circuventing the loophole
used by the FBI. **Very** big difference!
> >Now the web site *only* has articles
> >published *first* in hardcopy, and thereby unquestionably
covered
> >by copyright laws.
> >
> >JRWolf
>
> Facinating.......is Jordon enrolled???????
What the hell does Jordan's enrollment of lack thereof have to do
with the FBI stealing his work?
JRWolf
Falcon Hawking
>Message-id:
Just for you ...you subversive NAZI Facist Little Prick!!!!!!!!!
"NatChat-
<http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nc/9503/0053.html>
Bobby Castillo-)writes like a indian) Re: Len Peltier."Bob-cat"??????
<http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nc/9504/0096.html> CODE of JOURNALISTIC
ETHICS from JORDON -HELLO????????
You asshole trying to take down a Newspaper in a Democracy!!! You hypocrite!!
June25,1995. <http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nc/9500/0201.html> Tim Giago
and WA Post Article on Len Peltier.More subversive against the
U.S.Constitution.Freedom of the Press is whose right?Now you want the Laws to
defend your Nazi crapola!! What a nerve!!!
<http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nc/9506/0202.html>Jonto (subversive) and
WA Post Ad""He sure knew a lot about Ireland and the Irish Republican Army.The
Terrorists.Demolition too?
<http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nc/9507/0011.html>
Len Peltier Case
<http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archives/nc/9507/0019.html> WA POST Article.
If you had any shame Jordon you would apologize to the Nations for your
bullshit and lies and attacks on our sovereignty.Did ya follow the rules about
Journalism back then and now whining about?You piss ant lil terroirists and
subversives are the ones attacking our Nations.Lying about the F.B.I. being to
blame.The Sheild of focus.Tell your creep hero Len Peltier...he is a woman
beater and a murderer......
Falcon......member White Earth Nation.
Anishinabe...
Gene Allen
out on bail?
Gene Allen -
Tree hugger,
Animal lover,
Folksinger,
Humdinger.
Kevin
news:20020303182048...@mb-md.aol.com...
Hi Anuh - long time since we last spoke. Hope you're doing OK.
That's a method that is legally valid in quite a few countries. I've used it
myself. It is, BTW, also the valid procedure for the French Academy when
determining who has priority on a scientific theory, so it may be part of
international copyright law.
Kevin
Anuh1
natives...@yahoo.com (Oldone) writes:
>About the only thing protected on the web is art work and graphics.
>Just about anyone who wants to use text for education can do so and
>claim fair use. It is the same way with a published book, although
>one is only allowed to copy a percentage. As long as the party in
>question does not claim the work as their own and has specifically
>stated that the work is offered under the fair use clause, it is
>legal. Look at all the parody sites that mimic the real sites.
>www.whitehouse.org comes to mind here.
Some web writers do disable the right mouse button, which is what allows people
to access the source code, and then usually put some snotty remark on a pop-up
window - which the innocent people who use that button to back up don't
understand. You could always try that!
Oldone
Dear Anuh,
That code is a java script and it won't keep people from "viewing the
source" which is done via your browser. What it does is keep people
from right clicking and saving. It more deters the "honest thief."
And it wont keep someone from downloading the entire page or site to
get the information. I do have a copy of that code if anyone wants
it. Just let me know and I will pst to the group.
Oldone
JSDill
<http://dickshovel.com/index.html>.
For any who have not seen it, check out the flash intro.
In article <9e2978c4.02030...@posting.google.com>,
natives...@yahoo.com (Oldone) wrote:
> Dear Anuh,
>
> That code is a java script and it won't keep people from "viewing the
> source" which is done via your browser. What it does is keep people
> from right clicking and saving. It more deters the "honest thief."
> And it wont keep someone from downloading the entire page or site to
> get the information. I do have a copy of that code if anyone wants
> it. Just let me know and I will pst to the group.
>
> Oldone
--
Anuh1
writes:
>> Dear Anuh,
>>
>> That code is a java script and it won't keep people from "viewing the
>> source" which is done via your browser. What it does is keep people
>> from right clicking and saving. It more deters the "honest thief."
>> And it wont keep someone from downloading the entire page or site to
>> get the information. I do have a copy of that code if anyone wants
>> it. Just let me know and I will pst to the group.
Well, the one web author I spoke to about this claimed differently. He was
selling things and claimed that kept people from selling his code and his
pictures, as if I gave a damn. I told him that in that case, I didn't want to
buy from him because only a crooked seller would be worried about it. ;-D
Anuh1
<1006...@compuserve.com> writes:
>Hi Anuh - long time since we last spoke. Hope you're doing OK.
>
>That's a method that is legally valid in quite a few countries. I've used it
>myself. It is, BTW, also the valid procedure for the French Academy when
>determining who has priority on a scientific theory, so it may be part of
>international copyright law.
I believe it is, Kevin. This man made his living by patent/copyright law! It
was ALL he did and I trust his word absolutely! ;-D
Oldone
Really? You wouldn't buy a piece of art from an artist who wished to
protect his work with a code? Most artists I know with online
galleries all have the right click disable on their work to keep
people from taking the graphic they scanned of "their" work and
cutting it up to use it in some sort of web design. Most artists I
know spend months creating just one oil painting for their galleries
and I don't think any of them are crooked at all. They just don't
want someone stealing their hard work.
Oldone
Bright Thunder
Kevin wrote:
Kevin, I know you are so busy right now with your studies, but when you get time
I sure would like to learn of a good book regarding what the Jewish people
learned/took from the Babylonian peoples.
Jim
lisa dillon
Exactly! why I have no photo's of my tile art online....Lisa D....
Kevin
news:3C8DEC0E...@softcom.net...
Posted a list of titles over on a.r.d for you. There's some fairly extensive
material there on Babylonian magic and religion, though when I get a bit
more time I'll try and look out some more references for you. Some elements
were directly borrowed, such as the legend of the Flood, while Dilmun, which
appears in the Epic of Gilgamesh might possibly be a precursor for Eden.
Incidentally a guy at the British Museum, whose speciality it is, informed
me that a few of the cuneiform tablets make it explicit that the Babylonians
had a monotheistic interpretation of their religion - I think those tablets
date from around the 8th century BC.
<grin!> Wondered when you'd spot my posts over here.
Kevin
Anuh1
natives...@yahoo.com (Oldone) writes:
>
>Really? You wouldn't buy a piece of art from an artist who wished to
>protect his work with a code?
If the code is being stolen, the actual piece of art is not. I might buy the
actual piece of art, but not from an online site with that kind of attitude.
It is mainly because it makes it so hard to travel around the site. I'm a
right-mouse-button person and I hate having to move around to get out of a
site.
> Most artists I know with online
>galleries all have the right click disable on their work to keep
>people from taking the graphic they scanned of "their" work and
>cutting it up to use it in some sort of web design. Most artists I
>know spend months creating just one oil painting for their galleries
>and I don't think any of them are crooked at all. They just don't
>want someone stealing their hard work.
Even WORSE, are the nasty notes that often get attached. I have never
encountered one of these sites and simply stated that "I'm sorry but theft of
my artwork has to be protected from thieves, so I have disabled your right
mouse button. Sorry". The last one I visited had a very nasty message
attached. I don't deal with nasty!
I have yet to see a web site made of cut up pieces of artwork. I would wonder
that they wouldn't be proud to have REPRODUCTIONS of thier work around. It
becomes advertising! It might just help sales of the real thing! When I DO
buy art, I don't want a second hand reproduction - I buy the real thing!
Lisa Ann
> >Subject: fbi cyberthieves
> >From: JSDill j...@sover.net
> >Date: 3/2/02 12:39 PM Pacific
>
> You had a diiferent story to tell all those years ago Jordon.Len Peltier
and
> you and Lisa Hellwig all had a different story.Remember "Mr.X Chronology"?
Sure
> you do.
Who *are* you? And why do you toss my name out?
> Remember you and her and Len and the "Indian Country Today" Newspaper?The
> attacks on Mr.Tim Giago for running the AD from the F.B.I. Retired
Agents?I sat
> there in disbeleif reading the planning and plottin to destroy the
Newspaper
> you three were doing.
Well, at least I'm in good company if you're lumping me in with Jordan...
That being said, I remember having a bit of a feud with Paul DeMain of News
from Indian Country, but have never even *read* Giago's paper, let alone
plotted to destroy it. Even when I was fighting with DeMain, I didn't want
to 'destroy' his paper.
Go back on the Haldol, okay? The voices will stop bothering you then.
Lisa Ann
>
> Are you enrolled Jordon Dill? "Dick Shovel LTD"? Cherokee?
And before you ask me, no, I'm not enrolled. My Indian blood is
insignificant, coming from a Lakota G-Gx Grandmother and Creek G-Gx
Grandparents.
Jennifergiggle
Lisa Ann wrote:
Hi Lisa, I'm interjecting just for a note from me to you, (although I'm sure
that the 'poster' will try to turn even this towards her.) Comment below.
>
>
> And before you ask me, no, I'm not enrolled. My Indian blood is
> insignificant, coming from a Lakota G-Gx Grandmother and Creek G-Gx
> Grandparents.
I don't think blood can be insignificant, although 'assimilation' is a different
thing. Can someone be assimilated just because their parents were? Rhetorical
because I think we are what we were raised and if someone was raised by several
generations of assimilated parents.........and yet, what about things that are
innate and not 'assimilated' out of those parents? Can those be readily
dismissed as insignificant? Its tricky and sticky I know, I just didn't want to
have you stating nor believing that your indian blood was 'insignificant.' To me
that is nonsense.
thank you for reading,
Jennifer
(mixed blood, non-enrolled, non-card carrying, anti card believer, Cherokee/Euro
mix, maternal, Ojibwe/Cree, Dakota, Cherokee, French/Dutch, paternal .)
Lisa Ann
news:3C909109...@bigfoot.com...
Jennifer -
Hmm, perhaps "insignificant" was a poor choice of words...culturally, I
identify with my Scots-Irish maternal grandparents and my Indiana
upbringing. Which makes sense, considering that I was primarily raised by
my Mom and her parents. Because my culture isn't Indian, I've never
identified myself that way - although obviously I know it's there. (I've
known about the Creek all my life - that was my grandmother's grandmother
Hester and Hester's parents. I just found out about the Lakota when my
great-aunt was showing me my great-grandmother's genealogy last spring. Her
maternal grandmother was Lakota.)
A surface examination of my culture shows some similarity to an Indian
culture - respect for elders, value placed on family stories, etc - but
those are also traits found in the Scots-Irish. (especially the stories
part.)
I'm more worried about being labeled "wannabe", to be honest. I cringe when
I hear other people trotting out that old "My gramma was a Cherokee
princess" chestnut, or when another person claims that their grandfather
kicked Custer's ass - and I find out from talking to them that their family
came over from Europe long after Little Big Horn.
To me it's always been about the stories - who do I have stories about?
Those stories are my culture. (and I do have a great story about Hester).
Sorry for rambling, hope this made some sense.
Lisa Ann
>
Jennifergiggle
Lisa Ann wrote:
Hi,
Oh you didn't ramble at all and thank you for clarifying.
Seems like all the finger pointing at 'wannabeeism' also has a backlash effect,
(meaning a sort of loss to Indian communties from 'denying' the existance of
semi-dominant culturally assimilated people who are good hearted and sincere.)
Lisa, I was raised entrenched withing the dominant culture and unmistakably live
in that world. A wannabe? I've seen them, and wouldn't want to associate with
them at all, yet, some of them that I met were 'blood'!! I still wanted to keep
my distance from them.
I understand how you self-identify as Scot-Irish and that you also state those
are similiar cultural aspects.
Very nice to meet you Lisa, (if an online conversation can count!?)
:)
Jen
Lisa Ann
>
>
> Lisa Ann wrote:
> Very nice to meet you Lisa, (if an online conversation can count!?)
> :)
> Jen
Well, I think it counts. <g> Some of my closest friends are people I've met
on-line - including the guy I'm dating now.
I'm not a total stranger to alt.native...around '95 - '97 I used to post
here a lot. I was the McHenry County, IL LPSG coordinator and (in '95 at
least) I was one of the first ones working with the LPDC who had a 'Net
connection. In 1997, real-life intruded and I stopped working with the
LPDC, and stopped reading alt.native. I was happy to see, though, that
Patty, Mac and Jordan are all still here. (Hi, y'all!)
Thanks for the welcome!
Lisa Ann
Wayne George
and Lisa Ann...there will always be those who will look on your blood as
different. Perhaps because 'those few' can see the differences,and are
ignorant as to how to speak with those who are different..you might feel as
you do.
It is my opinion that "wannabeism" knows no blood boundaries,I see it on
both sides of the fence. My way of dealing with it ,is to smile at
it...because it is such a small thing. It only grows when we allow it to
grow into something that consumes us. Perhaps at such times,it evolves into
other things.
The Irish..they are ..really descended from Indians who traveled in that
direction,long before they decided to come home. The Scots, I'd heard was
from over crowding in Ireland,so that would make them of Indian Blood also.
The Smiling Crow :-) "Who's one GrandParent was a Cronk"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Jennifergiggle" <theg...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:3C9126A4...@bigfoot.com...
Jennifergiggle
I'm next door in Cook county. :)
You are right about meeting on line counting for something, (or in your and your
boyfriends case, a lot more. :))
Jen
Lisa Ann
> Hey Lisa,
> I'm next door in Cook county. :)
>
> You are right about meeting on line counting for something, (or in your
and your
> boyfriends case, a lot more. :))
> Jen
Actually, I'm living down in Indianapolis right now...until I can find a job
up in Chicagoland. (I left my husband a year ago, and my best friend has
been renting me one of her apartments.) Keep your fingers crossed that I
find one soon. I'm afraid if I don't, my accent will become permanent! <g>
Lisa Ann
Lisa Ann
news:GRak8.144726$kb.79...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...
> The Irish..they are ..really descended from Indians who traveled in that
> direction,long before they decided to come home. The Scots, I'd heard was
> from over crowding in Ireland,so that would make them of Indian Blood
also.
LOL - I've never heard this theory before. I like it! Can you make a case
for Germans too? (my father's side of the family). ;)
>
> The Smiling Crow :-) "Who's one GrandParent was a Cronk"
Uhm...what is a Cronk? I mean, my Grampa was a Crank when he got older
(albeit a loveable one...) Is it one of your family names? (Mine are
McElfresh, Cunningham, Hamilton...and, obviously, Stalnaker.)
Lisa Ann
Wayne George
direct to Canada during the "potato" famine in Ireland. The rest of my
family I trace back to the Potawatomi and Chippewa Nations. I suppose we
could talk about if there was any other "culturally diverse blood" in the
pile,my way of saying no other blood mix that I'm aware of. I suppose that
is a question that is in the hands of the passages of time. So,to this
Indian,out there somewhere in the world,may be some other relatives I've yet
to hear from. I often think about them as I go about the daily life.
Now as for that "German" blood in your family....gee your gona make me put
on maw thinkin cap....
The Smiling Crow :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Lisa Ann" <lisa...@stalnaker.com> wrote in message
news:a6rlh7$gt8a7$1...@ID-87053.news.dfncis.de...
Lisa Ann
> Hi Lisa Ann... "Cronk" was the last name of my one Great Grandfather,he
came
> direct to Canada during the "potato" famine in Ireland. The rest of my
> family I trace back to the Potawatomi and Chippewa Nations. I suppose we
> could talk about if there was any other "culturally diverse blood" in the
> pile,my way of saying no other blood mix that I'm aware of. I suppose that
> is a question that is in the hands of the passages of time. So,to this
> Indian,out there somewhere in the world,may be some other relatives I've
yet
> to hear from. I often think about them as I go about the daily life.
> Now as for that "German" blood in your family....gee your gona make me put
> on maw thinkin cap....
As Jennifer said earlier, it's our culture - how we were raised, the stories
we're given - that influence who we are. (not determine, mind you...just
influence).
And I'm sure you look dashing in your thinking cap. ;) Let me know what
you come up with...
Lisa Ann
lisa dillon
Aloha Lisa,
good to see you :)....Lisa D....
William McLaughlin
>on-line - including the guy I'm dating now.
>
>I'm not a total stranger to alt.native...around '95 - '97 I used to post
>here a lot. I was the McHenry County, IL LPSG coordinator and (in '95 at
>least) I was one of the first ones working with the LPDC who had a 'Net
>connection. In 1997, real-life intruded and I stopped working with the
>LPDC, and stopped reading alt.native. I was happy to see, though, that
>Patty, Mac and Jordan are all still here. (Hi, y'all!)
Dear Lisa:
Hey! Great to see you back. Now if we can just get a few
more good folk like you posting here again, alt.native might not be
such a troll haven. (It's really gotten bad here recently!)
All the best and WELCOME BACK,
Mac
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WILLIAM MC LAUGHLIN
vaga...@voicenet.com
Affiliation: Card-carrying member of the Whiteboy Tribe
Indian Name: Running Joke
Power Animal: Brontosaurus (mine's bigger!)
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I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil
interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the
National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping
of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall
Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua
for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912
(where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the
Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I
helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
---Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler, U.S.M.C. - 1933
lisa dillon
BINGO!....can I say that?....Lisa D....
R. Hall
> Anyone remember some months back the flap re noparolepeltier.com
> stealing material from dickshovel.com? They relented and took this piece
> off their site.
>
> Can't remember whether I mentioned it or not but they also stole
> material from the NAV.
>
> Bottom line is that they have it and refuse to take it off their site.
> All lawyers I have talked say there is nothing to do and if I continue
> to call them the thieves they are I can be hammered in court.
>
> Was going to write this up and make and issue but frankly see no point.
>
> Why am I mentioning it here? Well, it they can steal from
> indiversity.com and get away with it they can steal from any other of us
> - and get away with it.
What's the matter, Jordan? Don't know anything?