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David Dalton

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Aug 23, 2012, 12:01:56 AM8/23/12
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Sarah McLachlan's latest CD is entitled Laws of Illusion.

But does illusion have any laws?

The second song on that CD is entitled Illusions of Bliss
and contains the line "Awash in the illusion of this bliss."
I think this is a reference to comparative mythologist
Joseph Campbell's advice to "Follow your bliss".

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"Here I go again...back into the flame" (Sarah McLachlan)

Arindam Banerjee

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Aug 23, 2012, 12:20:01 AM8/23/12
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On Aug 23, 2:01 pm, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
> Sarah McLachlan's latest CD is entitled Laws of Illusion.
>
> But does illusion have any laws?

To the extent it follows reality, perhaps. Illusion is not chaos, not
randomness. There is logic within illusion. After all, the
purpose of illusion is to misguide - without logic of some hopeful
sort, this would not be possible.
>
> The second song on that CD is entitled Illusions of Bliss
> and contains the line "Awash in the illusion of this bliss."
> I think this is a reference to comparative mythologist
> Joseph Campbell's advice to "Follow your bliss".
>
> --
> David Dalton  dal...@nfld.com  http://www.nfld.com/~dalton(home page)http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/nf.htmlNewfoundland&Labrador Travel & Musichttp://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.htmlSalmon on the Thorns (mystic page)

Zerkon

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Aug 23, 2012, 8:11:06 AM8/23/12
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In article <dalton-81C4B9....@news.eternal-september.org>,
dal...@nfld.com says...
> Sarah McLachlan's latest CD is entitled Laws of Illusion.
>
> But does illusion have any laws?

Rational thought makes and so 'has' laws that have been passed by the
legislature of disciplined observation of stuff like nature and heat.
What rational humans need and must have is a sense of order. This need
drives laws. So it's not exactly nature or heat or science or illusions
that have the law.

> The second song on that CD is entitled Illusions of Bliss
> and contains the line "Awash in the illusion of this bliss."
> I think this is a reference to comparative mythologist
> Joseph Campbell's advice to "Follow your bliss".
>

Campbell's word choice was unfortunate. 'Bliss' is more vivid than the
boring but, I think, more accurate 'interest'. "Follow your interest".
There is a true quality of bliss in being interested. This is a common
experience. Campbell, I believe, was saying be biased towards your own
interests as opposed to say the highest paycheck or social regard. Like
the guy in the movie "Office Space".



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Dare

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Aug 23, 2012, 10:19:27 AM8/23/12
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"Zerkon" <Z...@z.net> wrote in message news:MPG.2a9fe7d08...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <dalton-81C4B9....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> dal...@nfld.com says...
>> Sarah McLachlan's latest CD is entitled Laws of Illusion.
>>
>> But does illusion have any laws?
>
> Rational thought makes and so 'has' laws that have been passed by the
> legislature of disciplined observation of stuff like nature and heat.
> What rational humans need and must have is a sense of order. This need
> drives laws. So it's not exactly nature or heat or science or illusions
> that have the law.

Are 'laws' illusions?
(perhaps a flawed...if useful...interpretation of 'what is happening'?)

Immortalist

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Aug 23, 2012, 11:02:44 AM8/23/12
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On Aug 22, 9:01 pm, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
> Sarah McLachlan's latest CD is entitled Laws of Illusion.
>
> But does illusion have any laws?
>
> The second song on that CD is entitled Illusions of Bliss
> and contains the line "Awash in the illusion of this bliss."
> I think this is a reference to comparative mythologist
> Joseph Campbell's advice to "Follow your bliss".
>
> --
> David Dalton  dal...@nfld.com  http://www.nfld.com/~dalton(home page)http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/nf.htmlNewfoundland&Labrador Travel & Musichttp://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.htmlSalmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>    "Here I go again...back into the flame" (Sarah McLachlan)

According to McLachlan, her original idea for the album's title was
Loss and Illusion, but she chose the final title when she proposed the
original title to Marchand and he misunderstood her, hearing Laws of
Illusion instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Illusion

Reminds me of an old saying;

The user illusion is the illusion created for the user by a human-
computer interface, for example the visual metaphor of a desktop used
in many graphical user interfaces. The phrase originated at Xerox
PARC.

Some philosophers of mind have argued that consciousness is a form of
user illusion. This notion is explored by Tor Nørretranders in his
1991 Danish book Mærk verden, issued in a 1998 English edition as The
User Illusion: Cutting Consciousness Down to Size.

He introduced the notion of exformation in this book.

According to this picture, our experience of the world is not
immediate, as all sensation requires processing time. It follows that
our conscious experience is less a perfect reflection of what is
occurring, and more a simulation produced unconsciously by the brain.
Therefore, there may be phenomena that exist beyond our peripheries,
beyond what consciousness could create to isolate or reduce them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_illusion

Other artists advise that we should use our illusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsnvAjW5LYM
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