Syn - The Armistice Day
pro...@hotmail.com
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From: The Syn
Date: Feb 25, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject Official 'Armistice Day' Press Release
Body: Official 'Armistice Day' Press Release
Release Source: Umbrello Records
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
The Syn Release Armistice Day - an Album of "Peace and Understanding"
February 19, 2007 - The long-awaited European release of the latest
disc from The Syn is now at hand. The American release is soon to
follow.
Band founder and vocalist Steve Nardelli is joined on the album by
bassist Chris Squire and drummer Alan White (both best known for their
work in Yes), Gerard Johnson on keyboards, and Shane Theriot on
guitar.
Before there was Yes there was The Syn. Original Yes guitarist Peter
Banks and bassist Chris Squire were both in this legendary band in the
late 1960's. While the group released just two singles in the original
incarnation, those tracks ("Created by Clive" and "14 Hour Technicolor
Dream") garnered them a good deal of attention. A new manifestation of
the Syn came into being in 2003 and have released two CD's (Original
Syn 1965-2004 and Syndestructible) and one DVD (Syndestructible Tour
2006) previously.
While Original Syn 1965-2004 was (as the name implies) mostly older
material, Syndestructible was a wholly new creation. The critics were
quite appreciative. Georgia at metal-temple.com said, "40 years of
silence... and the masterpiece is here. Without excess
"Syndestructible", released by Umbrello Records, must be one of the
most important releases in the latest years... at least to my ears.
Cure for the soul." Even less restrained, "20th Century Guitar
Magazine" called Syndestructible the "album of the century/."
Of their live performance, Joshua Turner of "Music Street Journal
"said, "Like a Phoenix rising, The Syn comes out of nowhere and
competes at full strength. For hockey fans, this might be debatable,
but for progressive rock fans and even those of pro wrestling, this is
a matter that's stone cold serious. As if they found the fountain of
youth, their reincarnation makes Rip Van Winkle look like a weary old
man. While their odometer shows mileage, they play with vehemence and
vigor. Yes might have all the accolades, but this obscure band comes
alive from the ashes." He added that, "Then, when I finally got around
to spinning their disc, I was enlightened further. They were loud and
clear on stage, but in the studio, they were every bit as good or
better."
So, it is on the heels of such a lustrous return that Armistice Day
enters the world. The CD features an amazing mix of studio and live
acoustic tracks recorded over the past year and with a central theme
of "Peace and Understanding" running throughout. That seems to be a
message that is quite timely for the world of the 21st century. That
mantra is carried from the haunting opener "Silent Revolution "
through to the title track "Armistice Day " and beyond. In fact the
next number is a live acoustic version of their classic masterpiece
"Cathedral of Love" recorded in January at XM Radio Studios in
Washington DC. Don Cassidy of Delicious Agony radio says "Cathedral of
Love" is "simply stunning." Armistice Day revives the dream of the Syn
with nearly fifty minutes of progressive rock sure to please fans of
Yes and the genre in general.
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MEDIA CONTACT:
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pro...@hotmail.com
'[...] John McLaughlin and Jimi Hendrix also provide a strong
influence in Michaels' music as does the progressive rock band Yes,
amongst others'.
'Through the acquired knowledge of patterns, harmony, a trained ear
and polished facility, Michaels has developed extraordinary
improvisational skills over the years.
"As unbelieveable as it seems, that's why I'm confident enough to get
up in front of a club full of people and create on the spot. It's
second nature." he said.
Michaels did just that, enduring a trial by fire last year by
performing as an opening act for the American debut of the Syn, which
featured Chris Squire andAlan White of Yes..'.
Peter
> MySpace bulletin:
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*yawn*
October 18, 2006
Chris issued the following statement for his fans:
"I want my fans and other interested consumers to know that I am
strongly discouraging them from purchasing the new Syn album
'Armistice Day'. I ask that this release not be purchased because
there have been no written permission by myself, and allegedly any of
the musicians involved in the project."
rob...@aol.com
> On Feb 25, 8:48 pm, pro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > MySpace bulletin:
>
>
> *yawn*
>
> October 18, 2006
> Chris issued the following statement for his fans:
>
> "I want my fans and other interested consumers to know that I am
> strongly discouraging them from purchasing the new Syn album
> 'Armistice Day'. I ask that this release not be purchased because
> there have been no written permission by myself, and allegedly any of
> the musicians involved in the project."
*yawn*
Rob "who really gives a fuck what Chris Squire wants?" Allen
Chris Jemmett
> On Feb 26, 4:53?pm, "Peter" <singbirdofp...@rock.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 8:48 pm, pro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > MySpace bulletin:
>
>
> > *yawn*
>
> > October 18, 2006
> > Chris issued the following statement for his fans:
>
> > "I want my fans and other interested consumers to know that I am
> > strongly discouraging them from purchasing the new Syn album
> > 'Armistice Day'. I ask that this release not be purchased because
> > there have been no written permission by myself, and allegedly any of
> > the musicians involved in the project."
>
> *yawn*
>
> Rob "who really gives a fuck what Chris Squire wants?" Allen
I imagine some of his fans do, especially the one who makes up a new
usenet ID to let people know what Chris wants.
I wonder if Chris gives a fuck what his fans want any more than his
fans give a fuck what he wants?
I want my fans and other interested consumers to know
that I am strongly encouraging them to buy the a.m.y CDs and that
allegedly all permissions have been written or implied by the
musicians in the project.
*yawn*
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> I imagine some of his fans do, especially the one who makes up a new
> usenet ID to let people know what Chris wants.
> I wonder if Chris gives a fuck what his fans want any more than his
> fans give a fuck what he wants?
Chris, care to expand? What do you mean by that?
--
Henry
Peter Anderson
I would suggest that maybe he should have made good on his touring
commitments with SYN. Why then should I care that CS doesn't want me
to buy a CD. Thank goodness I handn't arranged travelling to the US
for the More Drama thing.
Peter.
rob...@aol.com
I don't presume to speak for Chris, but it occurs to me that most
Yesfans would prefer Squire *not* to be a philandering lush, that
looks like he's been soaking in tub filled with cognac and lard for
the last decade or so.
Rob "and *I* want *everyone* to be _on time_" Allen
Chris Jemmett
You snip all context and then ask, in the void, what was meant. That
is quite unlike you.
I am now haunted by the fact that you are too dry for my sensibilities
and I have already missed that you quip on my, what should be, clearly
stated observation that *Chris doesn't give a fuck what his fans want
and they don't give a fuck what he wants*.
But just in case, here is a recap. Original poster gives a Syn update.
A reply, with *yawn*, comes from "Peter", an anonymous poster who just
made up a new ID, giving us a replay of Chris' brilliantly worded
wishes that his fans not buy the Syn release. TTYF, Rob then replies,
with *yawn*, and wonders "who really gives a fuck what Chris Squire
wants". I say that some of his fans do, gaf what he wants, ESPECIALLY
the one who made up a new usenet ID to give us a replay of Chris'
wishes.(from Oct of last year). I then wonder if any of the parties in
question give a fuck what the other wants. I also yawned. You know how
strangely contagious those yawns are.
That pretty much brings us up to date. If you need a finer point on
any of this, you have my sympathies but I will be happy to oblige.
Certainly, you have been patient with others here and deserve the same.
Peter
> I imagine some of his fans do, especially the one who makes up a new
> usenet ID to let people know what Chris wants.
Nothing new here. Same old Peter that didn't like the last Syn album.
Just moved, haven't been around here for a few months and changed
email accounts. Regardless of what people think about Chris,
legitimate companies don't release material against artists permission
- reference today's announcement of the recall of the 1993 Deep Purple
live set, due to Gillan not being informed and not approving.
Chris Jemmett
Indeed.
> Same old Peter that didn't like the last Syn album.
> Just moved, haven't been around here for a few months and changed
> email accounts.
So, you made up a new usenet ID to let people know, again, what Chris
wants.
>Regardless of what people think about Chris, legitimate companies >don't release material against artists permission - reference today's >announcement of the recall of the 1993 Deep Purple live set, due to >Gillan not being informed and not approving.
So has Chris initiated a "recall" or is he going to leave the matter
in your capable hands?
Peter
I take it you're a little slow on the uptake. What part of, "I moved"
don't you understand? Same old Peter, been here for a long time, just
a new email address. You've never changed email addresses?
> So has Chris initiated a "recall" or is he going to leave the matter
> in your capable hands?-
Obviously, you have a short, limited memory. I'm no great Squire fan,
just am once again disgusted by the excess hyperbole of Nardelli's
press releases, coupled by the fact that Squire and others who are
being name-dropped have already disowned this new album. If you don't
like the minor counterbalance of Squire's statement to the original
post, then too bad. No one makes you read AMY.
And, btw, Chris can't "initiate" a recall, Umbrello is the
organization releasing it. Any "recall" would be Nardelli's decision,
but since he clearly doesn't care, and since sales figures won't
justify lawyer's involvement, I'm sure it'll be released, and somebody
will rave on about how great it is - probably Nardelli acting as a
shill again. Maybe Chris will even retract his original statement, who
knows.
rob...@aol.com
this guy is likely the same "Peter" that claimed to be somehow a FOJ.
*Insiders*.
Now it's probable that Squire has only managed to delay the release
and to spend some of the money that might otherwise have gone to
charity. Meanwhile, if the release is indeed hitting the street in
Europe, it would seem that the company releasing the record has...and
has always had, legitimate ownership of the release.
So Squire isn't getting paid enough...and he goes public with some
poorly written sour grapes..._how nice_.
Rob "he's gotta know that I don't want *that*!" Allen
Chris Jemmett
> On Feb 27, 12:44 pm, "Chris Jemmett" <ccjemm...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 27, 12:10 pm, "Peter" <singbirdofp...@rock.com> wrote:
> > > Same old Peter that didn't like the last Syn album.
> > > Just moved, haven't been around here for a few months and changed
> > > email accounts.
>
> > So, you made up a new usenet ID to let people know, again, what Chris
> > wants.
> I take it you're a little slow on the uptake.
That may be so but in this case it is irrelevant.
>What part of, "I moved" don't you understand?
How about: What part of that makes any difference one way or the
other?
>Same old Peter, been here for a long time, just a new email address.
You keep saying that as if it changes anything.
I'll break it down real slow for you:
Rob asks "who gives a fuck what Chris Squire wants?"
...you still following?
I say something like "the person who made up a new usenet ID to post a
replay of what Chris Squire wants"
...That was you, plain and simple. Question asked and answered, plain
and simple.
Why is this a sore spot for you? Are you disturbed that you appeared
on cue to tell everyone what Chris wants? Are you concerned that
you've been away for months and returned to post what Chris wants on
the day that Rob asked who gives a fuck what Chris wants?
Had you not moved or changed emails and replied you would still have
been the answer to the question, just without the new ID part.
>You've never changed email addresses?
I certainly never made such a fuss about it.
> > So has Chris initiated a "recall" or is he going to leave the matter
> > in your capable hands?-
>
> Obviously, you have a short, limited memory.
Quite the opposite
I'm no great Squire fan,
> just am once again disgusted by the excess hyperbole of Nardelli's
> press releases,
Just a second. When talking about a press release for a CD, being
"disgusted" by the hyperbole is rather hyperbolic, don't you think.
coupled by the fact that Squire and others who are
> being name-dropped have already disowned this new album. If you don't
> like the minor counterbalance of Squire's statement to the original
> post, then too bad. No one makes you read AMY.
I have not expressed a dislike for any counterbalance, as you put it.
I answered a question and have since been observing your curious
reactions.
> And, btw, Chris can't "initiate" a recall, Umbrello is the
> organization releasing it.
Any "recall" would be Nardelli's decision,
> but since he clearly doesn't care, and since sales figures won't
> justify lawyer's involvement, I'm sure it'll be released, and somebody
> will rave on about how great it is - probably Nardelli acting as a
> shill again. Maybe Chris will even retract his original statement, who
> knows.
Well, if he does retract his original statement, can we look forward
to you replaying his retraction a few months later? Maybe
coincidentally as someone posts a Syn note and just before someone
asks, "who gives a fuck what Chris Squire wants"?
Personally, I can't wait. Welcome back, uh, Peter, is it?
kmcp...@aol.com
> Just two Yes/Syn-related excerpts from a blog entry by Kurt Michaels:
>
>
> '[...] John McLaughlin and Jimi Hendrix also provide a strong
> influence in Michaels' music as does the progressive rock band Yes,
> amongst others'.
>
> 'Through the acquired knowledge of patterns, harmony, a trained ear
> and polished facility, Michaels has developed extraordinary
> improvisational skills over the years.
>
> "As unbelieveable as it seems, that's why I'm confident enough to get
> up in front of a club full of people and create on the spot. It's
> second nature." he said.
>
> Michaels did just that, enduring a trial by fire last year by
> performing as an opening act for the American debut of the Syn, which
> featured Chris Squire andAlan White of Yes..'.
BTW.......I have no idea who posted this or why they thought it
belonged here. I usually do my own spamming .
Chris Jemmett
> On Feb 26, 4:34?pm, pro...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Just two Yes/Syn-related excerpts from a blog entry by Kurt Michaels:
>
> >http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=74690...
>
> > '[...] John McLaughlin and Jimi Hendrix also provide a strong
> > amongst others'.
>
> > 'Through the acquired knowledge of patterns, harmony, a trained ear
> > and polished facility, Michaels has developed extraordinary
> > improvisational skills over the years.
>
> > "As unbelieveable as it seems, that's why I'm confident enough to get
> > second nature." he said.
>
> > Michaels did just that, enduring a trial by fire last year by
> > performing as an opening act for the American debut of the Syn, which
>BTW.......I have no idea who posted this or why they thought >it belonged here. I usually do my own spamming.
"Right...well off with ya then"
Blackpig
>
> Now it's probable that Squire has only managed to delay the release
> and to spend some of the money that might otherwise have gone to
> charity. Meanwhile, if the release is indeed hitting the street in
> Europe, it would seem that the company releasing the record has...and
> has always had, legitimate ownership of the release.
No, they just calculate that given the pitiful number of copies that
this nasty, rip-off release is going to sell nobody is going to go to
the trouble and expense of initiating court action over it. Ownership
of six of the seven tracks is disputable. The four acoustic session
songs were recorded by XM radio and given to the band as a whole (as
is their common practice). Nardelli was a band member so he has some
claim to them, equally with Chris, Alan, Shane and myself. The two
Boston tracks were recorded by the production company which made the
live DVD, maybe Nardelli has done a deal with them to acquire the
rights for CD release. However, nobody in the band has any agreement
in place regarding the DVD release, let alone further exploitation of
the material. When asked about this (re: the DVD) the production
company replied that they were under the impression that Nardelli was
negotiating on behalf of the band as a whole.
That leaves Armistice Day itself. At least this is simple. I recorded
it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been paid a
penny for it, therefore I still own it. Until Umbrello pay the studio
bills, it ain't theirs, it's mine. If it ever looks like the record
has sold enough copies to make legal action worthwhile, I will
definitely start it. In the meantime I'm presently seeking a court
judgement against Nardelli for non-payment of other fees from March
2006.
Plus, the material on the record isn't good enough to warrant a full-
price release. Armistice Day itself is not bad as a three-minute
single style track. We recorded it because everybody told us that
Syndestructible would sell better if the radio stations had a short,
playlist-friendly track they could use to introduce the band. But it
has nothing to do with the classic prog style music we were reaching
for on the album. The XM tracks are nicely recorded acoustic versions
which would make very good b-sides but aren't album material. And Some
Time Some Way is horrible - the instrument tracks sound like they've
been bit-crushed. I think that, being a live recording, there must
have been a mains buzz or something that somebody has tried to remove/
disguise, but it hasn't really worked. As a release it rips off the
musicians and it rips off the people buying something that is being
misrepresented as a proper album. And I personally don't believe that
any charity will ever see a penny from it.
Gerard
(Keyboard player, The Syn, 2004-2006)
Loz
So ... all in all, a good experience for everyone concerned.
When's the follow-up release due?
--
Loz {:-)>
"If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You"
Chris Jemmett
This, at least, helps to fill the information void around this whole
thing. Thanks.
rob...@aol.com
> On Feb 27, 6:01 pm, "robm...@aol.com" <robm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Now it's probable that Squire has only managed to delay the release
> > and to spend some of the money that might otherwise have gone to
> > charity. Meanwhile, if the release is indeed hitting the street in
> > Europe, it would seem that the company releasing the record has...and
> > has always had, legitimate ownership of the release.
>
> No, they just calculate that given the pitiful number of copies that
> this nasty, rip-off release is going to sell nobody is going to go to
> the trouble and expense of initiating court action over it. Ownership
> of six of the seven tracks is disputable. The four acoustic session
> songs were recorded by XM radio and given to the band as a whole (as
> is their common practice). Nardelli was a band member so he has some
> claim to them, equally with Chris, Alan, Shane and myself. The two
> Boston tracks were recorded by the production company which made the
> live DVD, maybe Nardelli has done a deal with them to acquire the
> rights for CD release. However, nobody in the band has any agreement
> in place regarding the DVD release, let alone further exploitation of
> the material. When asked about this (re: the DVD) the production
> company replied that they were under the impression that Nardelli was
> negotiating on behalf of the band as a whole.
darn...no "agreement in place"...and all this to do about a "nasty,
rip-off release".
One wonders why it couldn't have just been ignored from the outset.
>
> That leaves Armistice Day itself. At least this is simple. I recorded
> it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been paid a
> penny for it, therefore I still own it. Until Umbrello pay the studio
> bills, it ain't theirs, it's mine. If it ever looks like the record
> has sold enough copies to make legal action worthwhile, I will
> definitely start it. In the meantime I'm presently seeking a court
> judgement against Nardelli for non-payment of other fees from March
> 2006.
Good luck with that. Any chance you'll be posting updates so we can
know the pummelling that _no good_ Nardelli is suffering?
>
> Plus, the material on the record isn't good enough to warrant a full-
> price release.
I can name any number of records that fit that description...some of
them are Yes records.
>Armistice Day itself is not bad as a three-minute
> single style track. We recorded it because everybody told us that
> Syndestructible would sell better if the radio stations had a short,
> playlist-friendly track they could use to introduce the band.
that seems rather odd timing then...
>But it
> has nothing to do with the classic prog style music we were reaching
> for on the album.
well that seems even odder still...
>The XM tracks are nicely recorded acoustic versions
> which would make very good b-sides but aren't album material.
have you seen _Acoustic Yes_?
Interestingly, some people *love* that release...and it sells for
$17.99!
>And Some
> Time Some Way is horrible - the instrument tracks sound like they've
> been bit-crushed. I think that, being a live recording, there must
> have been a mains buzz or something that somebody has tried to remove/
> disguise, but it hasn't really worked. As a release it rips off the
> musicians and it rips off the people buying something that is being
> misrepresented as a proper album. And I personally don't believe that
> any charity will ever see a penny from it.
well gee...I hope you're wrong about that last part...but I suppose if
enough dirt is thrown about before anybody can ever hear the thing,
it's certain not to sell at all...so there won't be any money for
charity...and then I guess, everyone but Nardelli and the charity will
be getting what they want from the thing.
Bravo.
>
> Gerard
> (Keyboard player, The Syn, 2004-2006)
hey, just wondering...have you ever met Steve Boyce?
Rob Allen
"But - although some of us do check in now and then, no one in our
band had ever posted on the fan sites. We've never really spoken to
one another about it, but I feel the band has a mutual understanding
that these are sites for the fans and not a forum for people in the
bands. Having seen a some of that in the past year, it just seems a
bit, well, ok, I'll say it - creepy. No - shouldn't have said that -
inappropriate is a much better word......." -- Steve Boyce, July '06
Steven Sullivan
> So ... all in all, a good experience for everyone concerned.
> When's the follow-up release due?
LOL. NQ.
___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason
Peter
> to you replaying his retraction a few months later? Maybe
> coincidentally as someone posts a Syn note and just before someone
> asks, "who gives a fuck what Chris Squire wants"?
> Personally, I can't wait. Welcome back, uh, Peter, is it?
Seems the only one dealing with a fuss is you. Might double check your
sequences of events too, as Rob's comment was subsequent to mine, thus
no big coincidental timing, as you seem to want to imply.
My *yawn* was due to having read one too many Nardelli press releases,
my reminder of Chris was because I felt like posting it. Beyond that,
you need to find more of a life, your reponses have been far too over
the top for my rather limited comment and opinion.
.
Peter
> On Feb 27, 9:44?am, "Chris Jemmett" <ccjemm...@rogers.com> wrote:
> this guy is likely the same "Peter"
Yes, that guy,
> that claimed to be somehow a FOJ.
That actually was your label, not mine. I never said anything of the
sort.
>
> *Insiders*.
Also someone else's label.
Peter
Thanks for the update.
pro...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> > Just two Yes/Syn-related excerpts from a blog entry by Kurt Michaels:
>
> >http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=74690...
>
> > '[...] John McLaughlin and Jimi Hendrix also provide a strong
> > amongst others'.
>
> > 'Through the acquired knowledge of patterns, harmony, a trained ear
> > and polished facility, Michaels has developed extraordinary
> > improvisational skills over the years.
>
> > "As unbelieveable as it seems, that's why I'm confident enough to get
> > second nature." he said.
>
> > Michaels did just that, enduring a trial by fire last year by
> > performing as an opening act for the American debut of the Syn, which
>
> BTW.......I have no idea who posted this or why they thought it
> belonged here. I usually do my own spamming .
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I did it, Kurt. I excused myself with this introduction as above:
"Just two Yes/Syn-related excerpts from a blog entry by Kurt Michaels"
Sorry if I offended you. If I did, you may as well delete me from
among your MySpace friends if you think it's worth.
By comparison, Mike Keneally appreciated me when I linked some scores
with drawings he'd made (and included in his MySpace blog), so he
didn't have to do it himself on his very own USENET newsgroup.
Not that I begged for his appreciation or even attention, though. I
just pondered whether to post that or not, decided for "to", and
posted. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Which is basically what
I did here too, I claim.
The only intention of the original posting was just "update" - a
keyword also mentioned by Chris Jemmett.
I also remember well Chris Squire's message for his fans. I also
remember well the whole saga of cancelled events, tours, and
procrastinated releases. I used to even openly laugh at it when
recognizing an unfortunate pattern. Sadly, though, now I cannot even
laugh at it any longer.
I don't have "Syndestructible", or any other Syn releases - past, or
expected (if I may say so and it seems I may :) ).
Someone on a.m.y. even offered me his copy a while ago but
communication was lost after a few email exchanges for reasons unknown
to me. Sorry I forgot who you were, good if you decided to keep it for
yourself, not a problem if you sent it to someone else instead.
Syn/Steve Nardelli are among my MySpace friends as well, but I don't
know them in person. So I cannot make any judgments on how Steve
Nardelli is, on how Chris Squire is, on how Peter Banks is, on how
anyone else involved in this unfortunate saga is, any longer.
Whether anyone wants or not, Syn's history is related to Yes's and
that was the only reason I made the original posting here on USENET
a.m.y. Again, just as an "update".
Henry also maintains a page of Yes-related history. Whether or not he
too can access MySpace, it's up to him to find useful (and to use) any
information that comes from other sources. As it is to anyone else.
Our heroes are leaving us, and none of us are getting any younger
either. If the bits of history in the making that are brought in here
or compiled elsewhere by any of us are not worth anyone's interest,
then it remains to be seen whether it was worth the effort of leaving
all these for the upcoming generations instead.
That's all for now. I shall ponder out better next time.
Edi
rob...@aol.com
> On Feb 27, 1:01 pm, "robm...@aol.com" <robm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 27, 9:44?am, "Chris Jemmett" <ccjemm...@rogers.com> wrote:
> > this guy is likely the same "Peter"
>
> Yes, that guy,
I never checked to see that you had a new address...I simply presumed
you to be "Peter".
>
> > that claimed to be somehow a FOJ.
>
> That actually was your label, not mine. I never said anything of the
> sort.
um, it took less than 30 seconds to find this:
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This is *INCREDIBLE* news. I could not possibly be happier, I can't
wait to
hear what comes of it. I and my wife know the guys from CGT really
well, and
of course, Jon, and my guess is they'll get along famously.
--
I remember there was much more of that sort of thing...so, actually
you said quite a lot of the sort.
> > *Insiders*.
>
> Also someone else's label.
<snicker>
yeah, I'm pretty sure *I* used that term.
Rob "I remixed a remix, it was back to normal." Allen
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > Chris Jemmett <ccjemm...@rogers.com> wrote
> > > I imagine some of his fans do, especially the one who makes up a new
> > > usenet ID to let people know what Chris wants.
> > > I wonder if Chris gives a fuck what his fans want any more than his
> > > fans give a fuck what he wants?
> >
> > Chris, care to expand? What do you mean by that?
>
> commitments with SYN. Why then should I care that CS doesn't want me
> to buy a CD. Thank goodness I handn't arranged travelling to the US
> for the More Drama thing.
I would presume that Squire concluded that the commitments being made
by Nardelli could not practically be delivered and that he left the
band, in part, to prevent being associated with any more unrealistic
commitments.
--
Henry
rob...@aol.com
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> muttered:
translation: The Syn and Umbrello Records weren't making any money so
Squire jumped ship to avoid being part of a full sinking.
Rob "fucking political babble" Allen
Chris Jemmett
ya, yours
>Might double check your sequences of events too, as Rob's comment was >subsequent to mine, thus no big coincidental timing, as you seem to >want to imply.
My apologies. I said:
"Are you disturbed that you appeared on cue to tell everyone what
Chris wants? Are you concerned that you've been away for months and
returned to post what Chris wants on the day that Rob asked who gives
a fuck what Chris wants?"
When I should have said,
"Are you disturbed that you appeared on cue to tell everyone what
Chris Squire wants? Are you concerned that you'd been away for months
and then made up your new ID and returned to post what Chris Squire
wants on the very day that someone posted a Syn update."
However you shake it, it made *you* the obvious answer to the
question, "who gives a fuck what Chris Squire wants?"
Try to deal with it. You could have left it from the start but you had
to make a fuss.
>My *yawn* was due to having read one too many Nardelli press >releases, my reminder of Chris was because I felt like posting it.
*yawn*
>Beyond that, you need to find more of a life, your responses have been >far too over the top for my rather limited comment and opinion.
Then I guess we're done. Though I'm sure you'll be back next time you
think Chris needs some laundry done. (talk about needing to find more
of a life)
*volunteers*
Peter
I don't give a flying fuck about Chris, but I do get pissed when
people try to profit from other people's IP.
> *volunteers*
*morons*
rob...@aol.com
Teakbois
muttered:
>
>I don't give a flying fuck about Chris, but I do get pissed when
>people try to profit from other people's IP.
Have you met ManningFan?
st...@umbrellorecords.com
does, of course.
What I like about this forum is that it is frequented by fans with
attitude.
You say what you think without the rose petaled glasses bias that
fills up most fan forums, most of which Yes forums I'm banned from
incidently. Robmtsd, whoever you are, you should be a satirical
writer, you're brilliant at giving the contra position to a post,
particuarly extreme ones. Are you a journalist, if you don't mind me
asking? There's a UK magazine called Private Eye that I think you
would enjoy very much.
As for Armistice Day, it's a bridge from 2006 to 2007 Syn and the
profits will go to charity in memory of Michele Moore.
There's been plenty of public bitching between some of the musicians
and Umbrello Records, but this is the music business after all. The
record company is always wrong and takes advantage of the
band.....etc.
While I'm here, can I blatantly advertise theone.tv which goes to live
broadcast on your computer in a couple of weeks.
It's a music station that will specialise in 'real music', particuarly
live global broadcast. The Syn will be part of live shows that are
being scheduled in London and New York as part of the launch, I know
you will be interested in the way this lines up.
Cheers from London!
Steve Nardelli - The SYN
rob...@aol.com
> I was referred to this thread as one that would interest me and it
> does, of course.
> What I like about this forum is that it is frequented by fans with
> attitude.
several of the people who post here absolutely hate the place...or so
they say!
> You say what you think without the rose petaled glasses bias that
> fills up most fan forums, most of which Yes forums I'm banned from
> incidently.
I've never looked in on any of those forums...I feel certain I've not
missed anything of interest.
>Robmtsd, whoever you are, you should be a satirical
> writer, you're brilliant at giving the contra position to a post,
> particuarly extreme ones.
that's nice of you to say...but truth is, I've only had but one or two
orginal thoughts in my entire life...and that's one reason why this
one kid you know, would like to see me dead...or at least sedated and
muzzled until such time as my passing.
>Are you a journalist, if you don't mind me
> asking?
no, I'm a scrapman...and a barely literate one at that.
�
>There's a UK magazine called Private Eye that I think you
> would enjoy very much.
I'm familiar with it...very funny stuff sometimes.
> As for Armistice Day, it's a bridge from 2006 to 2007 Syn and the
> profits will go to charity in memory of Michele Moore.
> There's been plenty of public bitching between some of the musicians
> and Umbrello Records, but this is the music business after all. The
> record company is always wrong and takes advantage of the
> band.....etc.
*Bastards*!
>
> While I'm here, can I blatantly advertise theone.tv which goes to live
> broadcast on your computer in a couple of weeks.
> It's a music station that will specialise in 'real music', particuarly
> live global broadcast. The Syn will be part of live shows that are
> being scheduled in London and New York as part of the launch, I know
> you will be interested in the way this lines up.
so...uh...when will you be announcing the new lineup?
Rob "I've heard it will be *soon*" Allen
Paul Goodwin
"Blackpig" <g.joh...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:1172612390....@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> No, they just calculate that given the pitiful number of copies that
> this nasty, rip-off release is going to sell nobody is going to go to
> the trouble and expense of initiating court action over it.
Seems like an odd way to operate a band--or business.
"I'm not worried about lawsuits, nobody is gonna buy this thing anyways"
If you're counting on failiure--why bother _at all_?
--
Paul
Paul Goodwin
<st...@umbrellorecords.com> wrote in message
news:1172753652....@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> There's been plenty of public bitching between some of the musicians
> and Umbrello Records, but this is the music business after all. The
> record company is always wrong and takes advantage of the
> band.....etc.
So you've read the thread, including the accusations of rip-off from
"Gerard"--he's not accusing the *record company* as such--he's accusing
_you_:
"That leaves Armistice Day itself. At least this is simple. I recorded
it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been paid a
penny for it, therefore I still own it. Until Umbrello pay the studio
bills, it ain't theirs, it's mine. If it ever looks like the record
has sold enough copies to make legal action worthwhile, I will
definitely start it. In the meantime I'm presently seeking a court
judgement against Nardelli for non-payment of other fees from March
2006."
That you choose not to address this leaves one with the impression that what
he says is true. You seem to be burning an awful lot of bridges without
apparently giving a shit, which seems to me a rather foolish thing,
considering most peoples interest in the Syn, at least here, is _solely_
because of the involvement of one Christopher Squire, now seemingly not
involved at all. We're left with an unremarkable band with one unremarkably
average, at best, 'singer', from what I've heard of your stuff.
And there ain't much interest in that at all, I'm afraid.
--
Paul
rob...@aol.com
> <s...@umbrellorecords.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172753652....@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > There's been plenty of public bitching between some of the musicians
> > and Umbrello Records, but this is the music business after all. The
> > record company is always wrong and takes advantage of the
> > band.....etc.
>
> So you've read the thread, including the accusations of rip-off from
> "Gerard"--he's not accusing the *record company* as such--he's accusing
> _you_:
>
> "That leaves Armistice Day itself. At least this is simple. I recorded
> it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been paid a
> penny for it, therefore I still own it. Until Umbrello pay the studio
> bills, it ain't theirs, it's mine. If it ever looks like the record
> has sold enough copies to make legal action worthwhile, I will
> definitely start it. In the meantime I'm presently seeking a court
> judgement against Nardelli for non-payment of other fees from March
> 2006."
>
> That you choose not to address this leaves one with the impression that what
> he says is true.
would you make comments in a usenet forum, to address supposed legal
action that may be pending against _you_?
For my part, in reading again what you've quoted here, I find it
interesting that Johnson would bring action regarding some "other
fees", but not bring action on this particular song that he claims he
owns.
>You seem to be burning an awful lot of bridges without
> apparently giving a shit, which seems to me a rather foolish thing,
> considering most peoples interest in the Syn, at least here, is _solely_
> because of the involvement of one Christopher Squire, now seemingly not
> involved at all.
um, I'm pretty sure Squire's _not involved_ status is somewhat beyond
"seemingly".
>We're left with an unremarkable band with one unremarkably
> average, at best, 'singer', from what I've heard of your stuff.
>
> And there ain't much interest in that at all, I'm afraid.
I was interested in the Syn before Squire got involved...but, of
course, I was more interested *after* he was involved. I remain
interested because I like pretty much *all* the newer songs...and
somehow I seem able to accept the notion of an "unremarkably average"
singer, inside the context of a really good song. If there's more
songs like that to come from the Syn, I'll continue to be interested.
Rob "all this seems like a lot about nothing" Allen
st...@umbrellorecords.com
> <s...@umbrellorecords.com> wrote in message
Umbrello Records released Armistice Day, not Steve Nardelli.
The legal opinion is that Umbrello has the rights to do so, in which
case nobody can be getting ripped off.
The main complaint seems to be the content, and that's a matter of
opinion.
The Syn continues with this unremarkably average 'singer'.
I agree with Rob, what's all the fuss about?
Rob, are you really a scrapman? If so, you're a very astute one!
Steve Nardelli
Paul Goodwin
<st...@umbrellorecords.com> wrote in message
news:1172773768.6...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Umbrello Records released Armistice Day, not Steve Nardelli.
> The legal opinion is that Umbrello has the rights to do so, in which
> case nobody can be getting ripped off.
"I recorded it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been
paid a
penny for it"
Looks like *somebody* got ripped off to me.
--
Paul
rob...@aol.com
> Rob, are you really a scrapman?
I am, yes.
>If so, you're a very astute one!
well, thanks again...but you should know that this game really isn't
quite as easy as it might seem..._most_ of the folks I know in this
industry, are pretty sharp.
Rob "if I had gone to high school, I might have become a rocket
surgeon" Allen
rob...@aol.com
> <s...@umbrellorecords.com> wrote in message
again, it's interesting that Johnson had no problems back when he
thought the song was going to be released as a single...when he was
still working on writing songs for the next Syn record...and even now
he's claiming ownership of the song, but is apparently only taking
action in the form of a usenet post.
Maybe he's ripped off, or maybe he's kinda like that wino with the
grapes.
Rob "Dude, you have to wait" Allen
The Bishop
> On Mar 1, 10:42?am, "Paul Goodwin" <yess1nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <s...@umbrellorecords.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1172773768.6...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Umbrello Records released Armistice Day, not Steve Nardelli.
> > > The legal opinion is that Umbrello has the rights to do so, in which
> > > case nobody can be getting ripped off.
>
> > "I recorded it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been
> > paid a
>
> > Looks like *somebody* got ripped off to me.
>
> again, it's interesting that Johnson had no problems back when he
> thought the song was going to be released as a single...when he was
> still working on writing songs for the next Syn record...and even now
> he's claiming ownership of the song, but is apparently only taking
> action in the form of a usenet post.
>
> Maybe he's ripped off, or maybe he's kinda like that wino with the
> grapes.
>
> Rob "Dude, you have to wait" Allen
Legal action costs money. Initiating litigation to recover fees, when
the litigation will cost more than the recovered fees would be worth,
is foolish and a waste of time. You knew this; since you're smart
enough to post on Usenet, you must not be totally retarded. But you
chose to ignore it. Why?
Loz
made the Baby J cry when he said:
>
>the litigation will cost more than the recovered fees would be worth,
>is foolish and a waste of time. You knew this; since you're smart
>enough to post on Usenet, you must not be totally retarded. But you
>chose to ignore it. Why?
LOL. Way to trade up to martyr, Bish.
--
Loz {:-)>
"It's a crack, I'm back yeah standing
On the rooftops having it
Baby I'm ready to go"
rob...@aol.com
> On Mar 1, 2:12 pm, "robm...@aol.com" <robm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 10:42?am, "Paul Goodwin" <yess1nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > <s...@umbrellorecords.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1172773768.6...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > Umbrello Records released Armistice Day, not Steve Nardelli.
> > > > The legal opinion is that Umbrello has the rights to do so, in which
> > > > case nobody can be getting ripped off.
>
> > > "I recorded it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been
> > > paid a
> > > ?penny for it"
>
> > > Looks like *somebody* got ripped off to me.
>
> > again, it's interesting that Johnson had no problems back when he
> > thought the song was going to be released as a single...when he was
> > still working on writing songs for the next Syn record...and even now
> > he's claiming ownership of the song, but is apparently only taking
> > action in the form of a usenet post.
>
> > Maybe he's ripped off, or maybe he's kinda like that wino with the
> > grapes.
>
> > Rob "Dude, you have to wait" Allen
>
> Legal action costs money.
it does...and really, it's a service that one can't really afford to
buy cheap. Best to get the good stuff.
>Initiating litigation to recover fees, when
> the litigation will cost more than the recovered fees would be worth,
> is foolish and a waste of time.
I agree...doesn't make sense to wind up down on both time and money.
>You knew this; since you're smart
> enough to post on Usenet, you must not be totally retarded.
as it goes, I'm just barely retarded enough to post on usenet...but I
think I can understand why you might see that the other way.
>But you
> chose to ignore it. Why?
did you reply to that post without reading the preceding posts?
Rob "why?" Allen
Henry Potts
>Umbrello Records released Armistice Day, not Steve Nardelli.
Steve, as I understand it, you co-own Umbrello and you are the only
person who I have ever seen speak for Umbrello online. So, when you say
that Umbrello released the album rather than you, what does that mean?
Did you support the release of this album by Umbrello? Did anyone else
at Umbrello make the final decision to release the album?
--
Henry
Chris Squire news: http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wncs.htm
TheMiz
> st...@umbrellorecords.com writes
>> Umbrello Records released Armistice Day, not Steve Nardelli.
>
> Steve, as I understand it, you co-own Umbrello and you are the only
> person who I have ever seen speak for Umbrello online. So, when you say
> that Umbrello released the album rather than you, what does that mean?
> Did you support the release of this album by Umbrello? Did anyone else
> at Umbrello make the final decision to release the album?
I understand it the same way.
Here is part of the SYN Bio that is still online:
The reunion of Chris Squire and Stephen Nardelli has resulted in
phenomenal new musical creations, and numerous important business
developments. In late 2004, Chris Squire became a full partner in Syn
Music Ltd.,and is a participant and shareholder in other related ventures.
In 2005 Nardelli and Squire formed a new company, headquartered in
London, called Umbrello Entertainment Group PLC.
Umbrello Records, a subsidiary company, will release all of the new SYN
recordings, and has signed several other significant artists as well.
http://www.myspace.com/guitaristpeterbanks
st...@umbrellorecords.com
> s...@umbrellorecords.com writes
Hi Henry,
It's correct that I'm a co-owner of Umbrello Records, although when I
post on the forums it's as a member of The Syn and from that
perspective. I normally post in response to questions asked on the
forums about the band and they are only ever my personal opinions
based on the information I have and that is generally not in the
public domain.
As a member of The Syn, I supported the release of Armistice Day. I
like the album for what it is, a series of mainly acoustic based live
tracks that reflect another side of the 2006 line-up. Other members of
the band have complained that they should have been used as bonus
tracks on future albums, indicating they were well aware the tracks
were for public release, but I think it's a fairer option to present
them together in one package, and certainly it makes a better fit.
I also supported the album because it is dedicated to the memory of
Michele Moore and the profits will go to charity.
I'll send you a copy Henry, I know you will give your fair and honest
appraisal of it.
Thanks,
Steve Nardelli
Blackpig
stuff, tune out now!
You have been warned! Mind-numbing tedium lies ahead!
On Mar 4, 1:39 pm, s...@umbrellorecords.com wrote:
> On 3 mar, 11:30, Henry Potts <h...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Steve, as I understand it, you co-own Umbrello and you are the only
> > person who I have ever seen speak for Umbrello online. So, when you say
> > that Umbrello released the album rather than you, what does that mean?
> > Did you support the release of this album by Umbrello? Did anyone else
> > at Umbrello make the final decision to release the album?
> > --
> > Henry
>
> Hi Henry,
>
> It's correct that I'm a co-owner of Umbrello Records, although when I
> post on the forums it's as a member of The Syn and from that
> perspective. I normally post in response to questions asked on the
> forums about the band and they are only ever my personal opinions
> based on the information I have and that is generally not in the
> public domain.
> As a member of The Syn, I supported the release of Armistice Day. I
> like the album for what it is, a series of mainly acoustic based live
> tracks that reflect another side of the 2006 line-up. Other members of
> the band have complained that they should have been used as bonus
> tracks on future albums, indicating they were well aware the tracks
> were for public release, but I think it's a fairer option to present
> them together in one package, and certainly it makes a better fit.
1) The XM tracks had already been released to the public, quite
properly, through broadcast on XM radio. Everybody accepts that. The
issues are:
i) Material that is appropriate for broadcast, giving a flavour of the
band in an informal, unrehearsed, live acoustic setting, is not going
to be of a comparable quality to material that has been carefully
worked on and polished over a period of months in a recording studio.
People who are unaware of the public debate on the internet over this
album will buy it thinking it is comparable in quality to
Syndestructible, and be extremely disappointed with what they find.
This will reflect very badly on all our professional reputations -
mine (which scarcely exists, so is only a matter of my personal pride)
but much more significantly Chris' and Alan's. Speaking as a Yes fan
of thirty years standing, it horrifies me that given their long
histories in the business, and the care with which they have ensured
that all their releases are, at the very least, carefully crafted to
the highest standards of production, their names are being used to
persuade people to buy this.
ii) It has always been my understanding, based on many years of
experience playing with Saint Etienne and discussing these matters
with other professional musicians, that for any commercial use to be
made of a recording of a live performance the musicians involved must
sign release forms giving the commercial entity permission to use the
recordings. As you are well aware none of us have ever signed such a
document for these recordings. It may be that you know of a legal way
around this obstacle, however it's my opinion that you don't and are
merely counting on us not finding it worth the effort and expense of
mounting a legal challenge over this issue. Although it is true that I
am not mounting such a challenge at present (concentrating instead on
the legally simpler issues of unpaid invoices), I may do so in the
future, if it ever seems to me that such a challenge would be
worthwhile.
2) The Boston tracks. In my opinion, these are simply not technically
of merchantable quality. We released some recordings of very poor
technical quality on disc 1 of Original Syn, but they had enough
overriding interest as forty year-old archive recordings to give them
value, especially as I'm confident that I did as good a job of
restoring them as is possible given the current state of the art. But
I would find the sound quality on the non-overdubbed tracks on Some
Time Some Way and Reach Outro unacceptable in a 2006 recording if I
were to buy it in a shop. And again, the same issues regarding release
forms apply as for the XM recordings.
3) Armistice Day. Your silence over this is very eloquent. I recorded
it etc, etc, etc. You haven't paid for the recording. What are you
doing releasing it? I had a phone call a few weeks ago from the studio
where we recorded Tom playing the drums. They wanted to know whether I
had a working phone number for you so they could chase you for payment
of the drum recording session. Did they manage to get in touch? And do
you remember who paid Tom's session fee? Was it you? Oh no, it was me.
These are the sorts of fact which motivate me to get up here in public
and make a ass of myself complaining to you over these business
matters which we should really be able to sort out in private, were
you ever to have responded to these issues in a single one of your
emails.
While I have your attention, who is the mystery, uncredited guitarist
adding electric overdubs on 21st Century and acoustic overdubs on
Some Time Some Way? And why do I not get a writing credit for the
minor key musical passage in 21st Century? I may as well ask now, I
don't suppose I'll ever get a reply anywhere else.
> I also supported the album because it is dedicated to the memory of
> Michele Moore and the profits will go to charity.
I hope this means we will see transparent accounting of sales for the
album and payments to the (unspecified) charity so we can be confident
in the truth of your assertion that all Umbrello's profits from it
will be donated.
> I'll send you a copy Henry, I know you will give your fair and honest
> appraisal of it.
Lucky Henry. I had to buy mine.
Sorry to any a.m.y.ers to whom the above discussion (which I admit is
only tangentially Yes-related) seems inappropriate. I'm neither an
experienced businessman nor a legal expert - just a struggling
musician like so many others - and I'm very interested in any
suggestions you might have about what you would do in my position.
Cheers,
Gerard Johnson
Rick
>
> Sorry to any a.m.y.ers to whom the above discussion (which I admit is
> only tangentially Yes-related) seems inappropriate. I'm neither an
> experienced businessman nor a legal expert - just a struggling
> musician like so many others - and I'm very interested in any
> suggestions you might have about what you would do in my position.
>
> Cheers,
> Gerard Johnson-
Hey Gerard, thanks for the interesting posts and great, tasteful work
on Syndestructible, by the way.
Being a (less talented) struggling musician who also tends to be on
the passive-aggressive side, if I had a track that I firmly believed I
owned and someone else was attempting to derive commercial benefit
from it without my permission, I'd post it for free download on
MySpace. On the other hand, this may just be a cheap ploy on my part
to get the track for free. Obviously it wouldn't solve anything, but
revenge is a tonic best served, as they say around here, *bitter*.
It is unfortunate that you folks couldn't get it together for another
effort, I really liked the CD...even the vocals. Good luck to all of
you on your upcoming projects.
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> Henry Potts <h...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > s...@umbrellorecords.com writes
> > >
> > >Umbrello Records released Armistice Day, not Steve Nardelli.
> >
> > Steve, as I understand it, you co-own Umbrello and you are the only
> > person who I have ever seen speak for Umbrello online. So, when you say
> > that Umbrello released the album rather than you, what does that mean?
> > Did you support the release of this album by Umbrello? Did anyone else
> > at Umbrello make the final decision to release the album?
>
>
> It's correct that I'm a co-owner of Umbrello Records, although when I
> post on the forums it's as a member of The Syn and from that
> As a member of The Syn, I supported the release of Armistice Day.
That strikes me as a strange way of putting it. No-one else who plays
on _Armistice Day_ knew about the album before it was announced. It
would appear that the idea for the _Armistice Day_ release was
originated by you, the album was compiled by you and released on your
label at your behest. You seem oddly reticent to claim responsibility
for a compilation that appears to be entirely your baby.
It also seems odd that you describe yourself as "a member of The Syn".
Does The Syn have any corporate existence beyond you? No-one else who
plays on _Armistice Day_ is working with you any more. You said on 20
November that, "The new studio line-up will be announced in the next
couple of weeks." However, that has not come to pass. You've talked of
studio sessions in January and you talk of forthcoming live shows, so
might we know when the other band members will be unveiled?
> [...] I also supported the album because it is dedicated to the memory of
> Michele Moore and the profits will go to charity.
With any charitable endeavours reported on my Yes news pages <http://
www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wh_now.htm>, I try to include a link to the
charity concerned, a small way of encouraging my readers to perhaps go
and donate something directly. Can I ask to which specific charity or
charities the _Armistice Day_ profits are going, so I can likewise
provide a link through?
> I'll send you a copy Henry, I know you will give your fair and honest
> appraisal of it.
I look forward to receiving a copy.
--
Henry
Blackpig
> On Mar 4, 10:42 am, "Blackpig" <g.johns...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sorry to any a.m.y.ers to whom the above discussion (which I admit is
> > only tangentially Yes-related) seems inappropriate. I'm neither an
> > experienced businessman nor a legal expert - just a struggling
> > musician like so many others - and I'm very interested in any
> > suggestions you might have about what you would do in my position.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Gerard Johnson-
>
> Hey Gerard, thanks for the interesting posts and great, tasteful work
> on Syndestructible, by the way.
Thank you!
>
> Being a (less talented)
Stop, stop, before we get into a 'no, I'm less talented than you'
argument!
> struggling musician who also tends to be on
> the passive-aggressive side
Ooh, that stings. The more so because I can see that it's fully
justified!
, if I had a track that I firmly believed I
> owned and someone else was attempting to derive commercial benefit
> from it without my permission, I'd post it for free download on
> MySpace. On the other hand, this may just be a cheap ploy on my part
> to get the track for free. Obviously it wouldn't solve anything, but
> revenge is a tonic best served, as they say around here, *bitter*.
>
I really did laugh out loud at that last bit. I'm still trying to get
some dosh out of Nardelli for the Armistice Day recording: assuming I
fail then at some future point I'll feel fully justified in making it
available for free download. Actually I think the version I have is a
better master than the version on the album: I mastered it at Alchemy
in London, I think the released version has had additional eq from
Mike Pietrini, but I think he's over-boosted the extreme top and
bottom (something we were careful not to do on Syndistructible) and
made it a bit too boom-tizz.
> It is unfortunate that you folks couldn't get it together for another
> effort, I really liked the CD...even the vocals. Good luck to all of
> you on your upcoming projects.
Thank you. Chris, Paul (Stacey) and I are working on material now,
which will be ready when it's ready and not before. We certainly hope
to release something later this year though.
Cheers,
Gerard
The Bishop
some kind of adolescent thrill to respond to Usenet posts without
really contributing anything?
I mean, while we're asking stupid questions, let's all dive in!
rob...@aol.com
did you understand any of what you read?
>My question stands.
actually, it's just kind of laying there...under a pile of flawed
premise.
>Does it give you
> some kind of adolescent thrill to respond to Usenet posts without
> really contributing anything?
you seem agitated...perhaps you should save that emotional energy for
alt.slack...and for organizing your archer monkeys.
> I mean, while we're asking stupid questions, let's all dive in!
<raises eyebrows>
Rob "The Bishop...party of one" Allen
st...@umbrellorecords.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Gerard,
I only ever post to the forums as a member of The Syn, although
unfortunately I keep being dragged into disscussions about private
company matters that don't belong on private forums.
There is no way I will discuss Umbrello Records private business on a
forum, no matter how hard I'm provoked to do so, I'm just not at
liberty to do so because of my responsibilities as a director to the
shareholders.
Umbrello Records believes it has the rights of release and that's all
there is to say. Regardless of what anyone says, people believe what
they want to believe and they can buy the album or not, it's their
choice.
As a musician on the cd, I support the release, but I respect your
right to voice your negative feelings about the content.
The points you make will sort themselves in due course.
There's no bad feelings from my side, I'm very busy with theone.tv
launch and all that goes with it, plus a new Syn album. Funnily
enough, our studios are down the road from where we recorded
Syndestructible, remember the giant antenae? We are putting high
quality studios in there for our live broadcasts and I'm really
disappointed you're not part of what's going on.
The studios are built for television broadcast, but I could have done
with your help and advise putting in the sound recording units for the
live concerts.
I hope we get to work together again some time, Gerard.
All the best,
Steve Nardelli
The Giotto Lady
wrote:
<snip>
>Sorry to any a.m.y.ers to whom the above discussion (which I admit is
>only tangentially Yes-related) seems inappropriate. I'm neither an
>experienced businessman nor a legal expert - just a struggling
>musician like so many others - <snip>
You're also a long time a.m.y. contributor, which is just the first
reason I won't be buying AD until you give the go-ahead.
The Giotto Lady
rob...@aol.com
> 1) The XM tracks had already been released to the public, quite
> properly, through broadcast on XM radio. Everybody accepts that.
swinging this back over to something more directly Yes related...JA
released a DVD of his XM concert...although it may have played very
well on XM, it was dreadful as an official release...and that reality
was made even worse by all the XM commercials included on the disc.
>The
> issues are:
>
> i) Material that is appropriate for broadcast, giving a flavour of the
> band in an informal, unrehearsed, live acoustic setting, is not going
> to be of a comparable quality to material that has been carefully
> worked on and polished over a period of months in a recording studio.
> People who are unaware of the public debate on the internet over this
> album will buy it thinking it is comparable in quality to
> Syndestructible, and be extremely disappointed with what they find.
The Syn's sparkling reputation is at stake.
> This will reflect very badly on all our professional reputations -
> mine (which scarcely exists, so is only a matter of my personal pride)
> but much more significantly Chris' and Alan's. Speaking as a Yes fan
> of thirty years standing, it horrifies me that given their long
> histories in the business, and the care with which they have ensured
> that all their releases are, at the very least, carefully crafted to
> the highest standards of production, their names are being used to
> persuade people to buy this.
you should know that virtually anyone that ever even hears of this
release, will be fairly knowledgeable about the particulars. It's
hard for me to imagine the release itself sullying the names of Squire
and White in any truly meaningful way. Let's face it, the both of
them have survived any number of releases that can be fairly looked
upon as being somehow questionable, if only in terms of good taste.
> ii) It has always been my understanding, based on many years of
> experience playing with Saint Etienne and discussing these matters
> with other professional musicians, that for any commercial use to be
> made of a recording of a live performance the musicians involved must
> sign release forms giving the commercial entity permission to use the
> recordings. As you are well aware none of us have ever signed such a
> document for these recordings. It may be that you know of a legal way
> around this obstacle, however it's my opinion that you don't and are
> merely counting on us not finding it worth the effort and expense of
> mounting a legal challenge over this issue. Although it is true that I
> am not mounting such a challenge at present (concentrating instead on
> the legally simpler issues of unpaid invoices), I may do so in the
> future, if it ever seems to me that such a challenge would be
> worthwhile.
heck, I'd hit him with the full ride while your at the simple stuff.
You seem to have a solid enough position...and if Nardelli can't
deadbeat his way out of paying a judgement, you should be able to get
paid and cover legal costs as well...unless it won't be Nardelli at
all, but instead Umbrello, which seems likely enough to be able to
deadbeat it's way out...that is, if it doens't have solid legal
footing of it's own.
> 2) The Boston tracks. In my opinion, these are simply not technically
> of merchantable quality. We released some recordings of very poor
> technical quality on disc 1 of Original Syn, but they had enough
> overriding interest as forty year-old archive recordings to give them
> value, especially as I'm confident that I did as good a job of
> restoring them as is possible given the current state of the art. But
> I would find the sound quality on the non-overdubbed tracks on Some
> Time Some Way and Reach Outro unacceptable in a 2006 recording if I
> were to buy it in a shop. And again, the same issues regarding release
> forms apply as for the XM recordings.
at least there's no interview section on the record...can you imagine
buying a release containing interview footage?
>
> 3) Armistice Day. Your silence over this is very eloquent. I recorded
> it etc, etc, etc. You haven't paid for the recording. What are you
> doing releasing it? I had a phone call a few weeks ago from the studio
> where we recorded Tom playing the drums. They wanted to know whether I
> had a working phone number for you so they could chase you for payment
> of the drum recording session. Did they manage to get in touch? And do
> you remember who paid Tom's session fee? Was it you? Oh no, it was me.
This Nardelli is truly fascinating...somehow, he's impossible to get
in contact with and he's a master at dodging financial
responsiblities. Does anyone even know where the guy lives? He's
really *that* impossible to pin down?
> These are the sorts of fact which motivate me to get up here in public
> and make a ass of myself complaining to you over these business
> matters which we should really be able to sort out in private, were
> you ever to have responded to these issues in a single one of your
> emails.
heck, I would have saved it all for the legal action...or just cut my
losses and moved on.
> While I have your attention, who is the mystery, uncredited guitarist
> adding electric overdubs on 21st Century and acoustic overdubs on
> Some Time Some Way? And why do I not get a writing credit for the
> minor key musical passage in 21st Century? I may as well ask now, I
> don't suppose I'll ever get a reply anywhere else.
if he's not responding in private email, I think it safe to presume he
won't be responding here either.
>
> > I also supported the album because it is dedicated to the memory of
> > Michele Moore and the profits will go to charity.
>
> I hope this means we will see transparent accounting of sales for the
> album and payments to the (unspecified) charity so we can be confident
> in the truth of your assertion that all Umbrello's profits from it
> will be donated.
<snort>
is transparent accounting *at all* a part of the recording industry?
>
> > I'll send you a copy Henry, I know you will give your fair and honest
> > appraisal of it.
>
> Lucky Henry. I had to buy mine.
er...perhaps you've not seen this:
October 18, 2006
Chris issued the following statement for his fans:
"I want my fans and other interested consumers to know that I am
strongly discouraging them from purchasing the new Syn album
'Armistice Day'. I ask that this release not be purchased because
there have been no written permission by myself, and allegedly any of
the musicians involved in the project."
>
> Sorry to any a.m.y.ers to whom the above discussion (which I admit is
> only tangentially Yes-related) seems inappropriate.
I'm pretty sure on Steve Boyce would view your post as inappropriate,
but he's not an "a.m.yer"...and if you ask me, that single post beats
his *entire* blog _any day_.
>I'm neither an
> experienced businessman nor a legal expert - just a struggling
> musician like so many others - and I'm very interested in any
> suggestions you might have about what you would do in my position.
virtually any thing that one might do for a living, will at some point
involve "doing business". I'd advise you to immediately work to
sharpen your skills in the business area of your craft. Know how to
protect yourself contractually and see that you're covered going in,
*every* time. If you find yourself having failed to cover yourself in
that way, quietly learn from that experience and move on...ideally
with sufficient resolve to _not_ let that happen again.
Rob "more fun than a barrel of archer monkeys" Allen
Blackpig
>
> Hi Gerard,
>
> I only ever post to the forums as a member of The Syn, although
> unfortunately I keep being dragged into disscussions about private
> company matters that don't belong on private forums.
You mean 'that don't belong on public forums'? You have my email
address, and my postal address and my phone numbers. You could reply
to my points in private if you wanted, but I've been emailing you
about this since October and you've never replied with a single
substantive point concerning any of these issues. You could have made
this reply private if you had wished. The fact is that you have no
answers, but you want to pretend to anyone reading this that you do
but are not free to state them.
> There is no way I will discuss Umbrello Records private business on a
> forum, no matter how hard I'm provoked to do so, I'm just not at
> liberty to do so because of my responsibilities as a director to the
> shareholders.
If you have compelling arguments to refute my challenges then making
them public would only enhance the reputation of Umbrello Records and
encourage potential customers to buy your product. This would be to
the benefit of the company and its shareholders, fulfilling your
responsibility to act in a way which promotes the company and enhances
shareholder value. Refusing to address these issues makes the company
appear shady and dishonest and damages its reputation.This is truly
damaging to the interests of its shareholders.
> Umbrello Records believes it has the rights of release and that's all
> there is to say. Regardless of what anyone says, people believe what
> they want to believe and they can buy the album or not, it's their
> choice.
This is why I think it relevant to voice these things in public:
people should at least be aware of the contentions surrounding the
release when they make their choice. I remember that in the past you
have said that other internet arguments concerning The Syn have
actually promoted sales because the product has been brought to
people's attention and that is the goal of advertising and marketing.
I can see I run the risk of making that happen again with these posts,
but fairness to the people who might be interested in the release
demands that they are well-informed about the product so they can make
up their own minds.
> As a musician on the cd, I support the release, but I respect your
> right to voice your negative feelings about the content.
> The points you make will sort themselves in due course.
I look forward to that.
Regards,
Gerard
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> Blackpig <g.johns...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote
[...]
> > [The track] Armistice Day. Your silence over this is very eloquent. I recorded
> > it etc, etc, etc. You haven't paid for the recording. What are you
> > doing releasing it? I had a phone call a few weeks ago from the studio
> > where we recorded Tom playing the drums. They wanted to know whether I
> > had a working phone number for you so they could chase you for payment
> > of the drum recording session. Did they manage to get in touch? And do
> > you remember who paid Tom's session fee? Was it you? Oh no, it was me.
> > These are the sorts of fact which motivate me to get up here in public
> > and make a ass of myself complaining to you over these business
> > matters which we should really be able to sort out in private, were
> > you ever to have responded to these issues in a single one of your emails.
> >
> > While I have your attention, who is the mystery, uncredited guitarist
> > adding electric overdubs on 21st Century and acoustic overdubs on
> > Some Time Some Way? And why do I not get a writing credit for the
> > minor key musical passage in 21st Century? I may as well ask now, I
> > don't suppose I'll ever get a reply anywhere else.
> Hi Gerard,
>
> I only ever post to the forums as a member of The Syn, although
> unfortunately I keep being dragged into disscussions about private
> company matters that don't belong on private forums.
> There is no way I will discuss Umbrello Records private business on a
> forum, no matter how hard I'm provoked to do so, I'm just not at liberty
It's pretty clear from Gerard's post that he didn't want to discuss
this on a public forum either, but you haven't responded to these
matters privately. I can understand that you don't want to discuss
business matters here, but I hope you've sent an e-mail to Gerard
answering his queries by now.
In the mean time, you could answer some of Gerard's queries of a more
musical nature, like "who is the mystery, uncredited guitarist adding
electric overdubs on 21st Century and acoustic overdubs on Some Time
Some Way?" I'd be interested to hear an answer to that one too.
--
Henry
Blackpig
wrote:
>
> You're also a long time a.m.y. contributor, which is just the first
> reason I won't be buying AD until you give the go-ahead.
>
> The Giotto Lady
Wah! Here's somebody from the golden age of a.m.y., when the nastiest
it got was the occasional spat between the Panthers and the Troopers,
plus occasional capital letter idiocy from Banana Fairy. It's good to
see your name again, GL!
gerard
rob...@aol.com
better still, why not just call the guy and have a chat?
> In the mean time, you could answer some of Gerard's queries of a more
> musical nature, like "who is the mystery, uncredited guitarist adding
> electric overdubs on 21st Century and acoustic overdubs on Some Time
> Some Way?" I'd be interested to hear an answer to that one too.
waitaminnit...if he names the guitarist will he have to pay said
guitarist?
Rob "I'm happy to wait for the person to come out bitching about non-
payment" Allen
TheMiz
> On Mar 5, 3:40 pm, s...@umbrellorecords.com wrote:
>> Hi Gerard,
>>
>> I only ever post to the forums as a member of The Syn, although
>> unfortunately I keep being dragged into disscussions about private
>> company matters that don't belong on private forums.
>
> You mean 'that don't belong on public forums'? You have my email
> address, and my postal address and my phone numbers. You could reply
> to my points in private if you wanted, but I've been emailing you
> about this since October and you've never replied with a single
> substantive point concerning any of these issues. You could have made
> this reply private if you had wished. The fact is that you have no
> answers, but you want to pretend to anyone reading this that you do
> but are not free to state them.
You are just now seeing what this guy is LIKE ?
st...@umbrellorecords.com
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Henry Potts <h...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote
> That strikes me as a strange way of putting it. No-one else who plays
> on _Armistice Day_ knew about the album before it was announced. It
> would appear that the idea for the _Armistice Day_ release was
> originated by you, the album was compiled by you and released on your
> label at your behest. You seem oddly reticent to claim responsibility
> for a compilation that appears to be entirely your baby.
Armistice Day was released by Umbrello Records not Steve Nardelli.
The fact that they released it indicates they have the rights to do
so.
There's nothing more for me to say, except that I happen to like the
album and support its release.
> It also seems odd that you describe yourself as "a member of The Syn".
> Does The Syn have any corporate existence beyond you? No-one else who
> plays on _Armistice Day_ is working with you any more. You said on 20
> November that, "The new studio line-up will be announced in the next
> couple of weeks." However, that has not come to pass. You've talked of
> studio sessions in January and you talk of forthcoming live shows, so
> might we know when the other band members will be unveiled?
I call myself a 'member of The Syn' because that's what I am.
The Syn line-ups are complicated by a mix of musicians, it will become
clear in due course and you'll be very surprised.
I'll be inviting you to the studio lauch party too, Henry.
> > [...] I also supported the album because it is dedicated to the memory of
> > Michele Moore and the profits will go to charity.
>
> With any charitable endeavours reported on my Yes news pages <http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wh_now.htm>, I try to include a link to the
> charity concerned, a small way of encouraging my readers to perhaps go
> and donate something directly. Can I ask to which specific charity or
> charities the _Armistice Day_ profits are going, so I can likewise
> provide a link through?
Thank you for that Henry, it's appreciated.
The final decision will be with the Moore family and I will let you
know.
As a good friend of Michele, Don Cassidy from Delicious Agony Radio
kindly agreed to act as an independant trustee to the charity fund and
he will make the accounts public.
> > I'll send you a copy Henry, I know you will give your fair and honest
> > appraisal of it.
>
> I look forward to receiving a copy.
You're very welcome, please can you email me your address again if you
don't mind.
Thanks as always for your support, it's much appreciated.
Steve Nardelli
rob...@aol.com
> Blackpig wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 3:40 pm, s...@umbrellorecords.com wrote:
> >> Hi Gerard,
>
> >> I only ever post to the forums as a member of The Syn, although
> >> unfortunately I keep being dragged into disscussions about private
> >> company matters that don't belong on private forums.
>
> > You mean 'that don't belong on public forums'? You have my email
> > address, and my postal address and my phone numbers. You could reply
> > to my points in private if you wanted, but I've been emailing you
> > about this since October and you've never replied with a single
> > substantive point concerning any of these issues. You could have made
> > this reply private if you had wished. The fact is that you have no
> > answers, but you want to pretend to anyone reading this that you do
> > but are not free to state them.
>
> You are just now seeing what this guy is LIKE ?
apparently they never found the links to the Banks website.
Rob "it was laid out there for all to see" Allen
rob...@aol.com
> On Mar 5, 10:36 am, "use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk"
>
> <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Henry Potts <h...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > That strikes me as a strange way of putting it. No-one else who plays
> > on _Armistice Day_ knew about the album before it was announced. It
> > would appear that the idea for the _Armistice Day_ release was
> > originated by you, the album was compiled by you and released on your
> > label at your behest. You seem oddly reticent to claim responsibility
> > for a compilation that appears to be entirely your baby.
>
> Armistice Day was released by Umbrello Records not Steve Nardelli.
> The fact that they released it indicates they have the rights to do
> so.
> There's nothing more for me to say, except that I happen to like the
> album and support its release.
it's very easy to see why so many people are so frustrated with you.
As a principal in Umbrello Records you simply _can't_ slide by
referring to Umbrello as "they"...to be correct it's at least
"we"...and in all likelihood it really boils down to "me" (you). So
there may be a legal distinction in terms of Umbrello/Nardelli, but in
practical terms, there really is none at all.
>
> > It also seems odd that you describe yourself as "a member of The Syn".
> > Does The Syn have any corporate existence beyond you? No-one else who
> > plays on _Armistice Day_ is working with you any more. You said on 20
> > November that, "The new studio line-up will be announced in the next
> > couple of weeks." However, that has not come to pass. You've talked of
> > studio sessions in January and you talk of forthcoming live shows, so
> > might we know when the other band members will be unveiled?
>
> I call myself a 'member of The Syn' because that's what I am.
> The Syn line-ups are complicated by a mix of musicians, it will become
> clear in due course and you'll be very surprised.
um, we're nearing the end of the first quarter '07...do you have any
idea what the definition of "in due course" might be?
> I'll be inviting you to the studio lauch party too, Henry.
Henry should at least be able to appreciate your _politicians_
approach to so much of this.
>
> > > [...] I also supported the album because it is dedicated to the memory of
> > > Michele Moore and the profits will go to charity.
>
> > With any charitable endeavours reported on my Yes news pages <http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wh_now.htm>, I try to include a link to the
> > charity concerned, a small way of encouraging my readers to perhaps go
> > and donate something directly. Can I ask to which specific charity or
> > charities the _Armistice Day_ profits are going, so I can likewise
> > provide a link through?
>
> Thank you for that Henry, it's appreciated.
> The final decision will be with the Moore family and I will let you
> know.
> As a good friend of Michele, Don Cassidy from Delicious Agony Radio
> kindly agreed to act as an independant trustee to the charity fund and
> he will make the accounts public.
is he still on, or did the apparent smackdown he took over your most
recent interviews with him kinda *sour* him on the association?
> > > I'll send you a copy Henry, I know you will give your fair and honest
> > > appraisal of it.
>
> > I look forward to receiving a copy.
>
> You're very welcome, please can you email me your address again if you
> don't mind.
> Thanks as always for your support, it's much appreciated.
er...listen, I'm certainly no Henry...but still...*I'd* like a free
copy...that way I can have the record while honoring Chris Squire's
request to not buy the thing!
Rob "one should *always* ask for the order" Allen
st...@umbrellorecords.com
> On Mar 5, 9:11?am, s...@umbrellorecords.com wrote:
>
> it's very easy to see why so many people are so frustrated with you.
> As a principal in Umbrello Records you simply _can't_ slide by
> referring to Umbrello as "they"...to be correct it's at least
> "we"...and in all likelihood it really boils down to "me" (you). So
> there may be a legal distinction in terms of Umbrello/Nardelli, but in
> practical terms, there really is none at all.
What I like about you Rob is you really are able to see the bigger
picture without the percieved political correctness that pervades fan
forums.
Whatever you say, you are incredibly astute and as I've said
previously, your comments often border on satirical brilliance and are
incredibly entertaining and insightful at the same time.
That said, in answer to your comment, Umbrello Records is a Public
Limited Company and the corperate rules attached to such companies are
very strict. As Managing Director of Umbrello, of course I have a big
say in its direction and policy making, but I certainly can never
present myself as 'the Company' which as you say, is an independant
corperate entity. That is why I can only ever speak for myself as a
member of The Syn on public forums, and I have to say, I would only
ever want to.
Sometimes it's difficult wearing 2 hats.
> um, we're nearing the end of the first quarter '07...do you have any
> idea what the definition of "in due course" might be?
Good question, theone.tv goes to live broadcast in a couple of weeks,
so a lot will be linked to that. You can expect an official prelimary
announcement in the next few days.
Basically, there are 2 band line-ups - The Syn, who are currently
recording a new album, and The Super Syn, who are a super group line-
up linked to theone.tv launch concerts. That's a clue.
> er...listen, I'm certainly no Henry...but still...*I'd* like a free
> copy...that way I can have the record while honoring Chris Squire's
> request to not buy the thing!
Rob, it would be a pleasure to send you a copy, please email me your
address and I'll arrange it. The one condition is that you review it
on this forum, I know you will be brutally honest and that's fine.
Cheers from London!
Steve Nardelli
Rick
Sounds more than "difficult" to me...talent is always pissed at
management. Meaning that as an artist you are welcome to come here
and complain about yourself as management. But having one person in a
position of taking a "double cut" as artist and as publisher, when the
rest of the band isn't, sounds like a recipe for a short-lived band.
Lead vocalists are usually insufferable as it is without additional
financial complications.
> Basically, there are 2 band line-ups - The Syn, who are currently
> recording a new album, and The Super Syn, who are a super group line-
> up linked to theone.tv launch concerts. That's a clue.
>
A clue of further instability to come?
Anyhow, I'll be curious to hear what the currently recording Syn album
sounds like, with (apparently) you being the only link to the
Syndestructible version of the band. That album worked nicely, and a
fair portion of that may have been due to your songwriting skills. So
the new product should be interesting to help determine how much that
was indeed the case. Good luck with it.
st...@umbrellorecords.com
> Sounds more than "difficult" to me...talent is always pissed at
> management. Meaning that as an artist you are welcome to come here
> and complain about yourself as management. But having one person in a
> position of taking a "double cut" as artist and as publisher, when the
> rest of the band isn't, sounds like a recipe for a short-lived band.
> Lead vocalists are usually insufferable as it is without additional
> financial complications.
Correct on all counts Rick!
It ends up with the vocalist having to put together a new line-up, but
that can keep things original.
>
> > Basically, there are 2 band line-ups - The Syn, who are currently
> > recording a new album, and The Super Syn, who are a super group line-
> > up linked to theone.tv launch concerts. That's a clue.
>
> A clue of further instability to come?
Probably, but I hope not too many.
I've learned a lot of lessons coming back to make music after nearly
40 years.
> Anyhow, I'll be curious to hear what the currently recording Syn album
> sounds like, with (apparently) you being the only link to the
> Syndestructible version of the band. That album worked nicely, and a
> fair portion of that may have been due to your songwriting skills. So
> the new product should be interesting to help determine how much that
> was indeed the case. Good luck with it.
Thank you very much Ralph, I'm really looking forward and excited
about what we're doing this year.
Steve Nardelli
rob...@aol.com
> On Mar 5, 8:09 pm, "robm...@aol.com" <robm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > um, we're nearing the end of the first quarter '07...do you have any
> > idea what the definition of "in due course" might be?
>
> Good question, theone.tv goes to live broadcast in a couple of weeks,
> so a lot will be linked to that. You can expect an official prelimary
> announcement in the next few days.
> Basically, there are 2 band line-ups - The Syn, who are currently
> recording a new album, and The Super Syn, who are a super group line-
> up linked to theone.tv launch concerts. That's a clue.
fascinating...er...I mean...mystifying...or is
it...confounding...ok...I'm not really sure, but I'm pretty sure
there's an _ing_ involved somehow.
>
> > er...listen, I'm certainly no Henry...but still...*I'd* like a free
> > copy...that way I can have the record while honoring Chris Squire's
> > request to not buy the thing!
>
> Rob, it would be a pleasure to send you a copy, please email me your
> address and I'll arrange it. The one condition is that you review it
> on this forum, I know you will be brutally honest and that's fine.
<wince>
Here's the thing, Steve, I don't do reviews...I'm just not smart
enough to manage such...basically it works like this, if I like
something, I say _I like it_...and if I don't, I say _it sucks_...with
_sucks_ kinda translating to "it's not to my taste".
But thanks for the generous offer anyway.
Rob "ah well, it looks like I'm back to WGAFWCSW" Allen
pro...@hotmail.com
> Sometimes it's difficult wearing 2 hats.
And sometimes even one, I guess. The "Harrod's Tea-Cup Hat" in the
"21st Century" session video, e.g.
Blackpig
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> It's pretty clear from Gerard's post that he didn't want to discuss
> this on a public forum either, but you haven't responded to these
> matters privately. I can understand that you don't want to discuss
> business matters here, but I hope you've sent an e-mail to Gerard
> answering his queries by now.
>
Sadly, he hasn't. The 'won't discuss things in public' appearance is
accompanied by a 'won't discuss things in private either' reality.
Gerard
st...@umbrellorecords.com
I'm listening to The Killers and these lines seem very apt when I
look at my turbulant route with The Syn:
'Should I just get along with myself,
Never did get along with everybody else,
I've been trying hard to do what's right,
But you know I could just stay here all night,
And watch the clouds fall from the sky,
Because this river is wild, God speed you boys!'
This is a great track called This River is Wild from what I consider a
brilliant album, Sams Town.
Great songs very cleverly constructed, modern prog bands could learn a
lot from The Killers.
Actually Gerard, I'm always happy to discuss anything with you any
time.
I really don't have anything against you at all or anyone else for
that matter, quite the contrary.
Steve Nardelli
Blackpig
> Actually Gerard, I'm always happy to discuss anything with you any
> time.
> I really don't have anything against you at all or anyone else for
> that matter, quite the contrary.
>
> Steve Nardelli
Well, I just tried to phone you and got your voicemail on all the
numbers I have for you, like I always do. Please email me, or call.
Email is usually better for both of us because we can pick up messages
when it's convenient - I don't like to answer my mobile while I'm
driving, which I will be for the next couple of hours.
gerard
smatt
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh dear Steve, same load of crap different day... I have some
suggestions for some song titles for your "NEW" Syn album...
Check's in the Mail
Climb out the Hotel Window
I'll Pay those Parking Tickets for Ya
A Friend's Credit Card Works just Fine
I'll Call you Tomorrowwwwwwww
The Phone's Ringing, But I ain't Answering
Walter Mitty's Big Fantasy Ride
The Timmy Song
Accounting the Nardelli Way (Numbers don't mean a thing)
I Forgot my Wallet
Can I borrow.....
Steve you surely can't be a Republican Bush spin miester now can you?
You sound just like one really..... You lie through your teeth and
pretened to be Mr. misunderstood nice guy. Truly sad how you can so
easily screw over so many people who you claim to be friends, and not
even think twice about it. You're a user, and a f***......
Matt
smatt
wrote:
> On 27 Feb, 11:33, "use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk"
>
> <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Chris Jemmett <ccjemm...@rogers.com> wrote
>
> > > I imagine some of his fans do, especially the one who makes up a new
> > > usenet ID to let people know what Chris wants.
> > > I wonder if Chris gives a fuck what his fans want any more than his
> > > fans give a fuck what he wants?
>
> > Chris, care to expand? What do you mean by that?
> > --
> > Henry
>
> I would suggest that maybe he should have made good on his touring
> commitments with SYN. Why then should I care that CS doesn't want me
> to buy a CD. Thank goodness I handn't arranged travelling to the US
> for the More Drama thing.
>
> Peter.
I'm sure he would've had Mr. Nardelli bothered to pay the money due
that HE promised to pay for proper promotion. It didn't happen on More
Drama, it didn't happen on ANY of the Syn tours... Mr. Nardelli
offered to back the Syn financially... Made promise after promise...
First West coast tour cancelled, due to tooth fairy not dropping plane
tickets in Mr. Nardelli's lap, tour manager waiting and calling
frantically, to find out why travel payments haven't been made, of
course no return call. Second West coast tour plane tickets "AQUIRED"
just a day or two prior to first show, in a strange way indeed.
European tour cancelled, no promotional payments as repeatedly
promised by Mr. Nardelli, promotional agents quitting due to lack of
payment as promised time and again by Mr. Nardelli, Mr. Squire (after
personally hunting down exactly who was involved in tour arrangements,
as Mr. Nardelli chose to hide this as well s every other thing
surrounding Syn "management") saying F*** this game, I'm outta
here..... How many people do you let a person f*** over, friends,
business contacts, etc before you say bye??? I think Mr. Squire let it
go on WAY to long to be honest.....
Matt
smatt
> On Feb 27, 1:39?pm, "Blackpig" <g.johns...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 27, 6:01 pm, "robm...@aol.com" <robm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Now it's probable that Squire has only managed to delay the release
> > > and to spend some of the money that might otherwise have gone to
> > > charity. ?Meanwhile, if the release is indeed hitting the street in
> > > Europe, it would seem that the company releasing the record has...and
> > > has always had, legitimate ownership of the release.
>
> > No, they just calculate that given the pitiful number of copies that
> > this nasty, rip-off release is going to sell nobody is going to go to
> > the trouble and expense of initiating court action over it. Ownership
> > of six of the seven tracks is disputable. The four acoustic session
> > songs were recorded by XM radio and given to the band as a whole (as
> > is their common practice). Nardelli was a band member so he has some
> > claim to them, equally with Chris, Alan, Shane and myself. The two
> > Boston tracks were recorded by the production company which made the
> > live DVD, maybe Nardelli has done a deal with them to acquire the
> > rights for CD release. However, nobody in the band has any agreement
> > in place regarding the DVD release, let alone further exploitation of
> > the material. When asked about this (re: the DVD) the production
> > company replied that they were under the impression that Nardelli was
> > negotiating on behalf of the band as a whole.
>
> darn...no "agreement in place"...and all this to do about a "nasty,
> rip-off release".
>
> One wonders why it couldn't have just been ignored from the outset.
>
>
>
> > That leaves Armistice Day itself. At least this is simple. I recorded
> > it, I mixed it, at my studio, on my equipment. I haven't been paid a
> > bills, it ain't theirs, it's mine. If it ever looks like the record
> > has sold enough copies to make legal action worthwhile, I will
> > definitely start it. In the meantime I'm presently seeking a court
> > judgement against Nardelli for non-payment of other fees from March
> > 2006.
>
> Good luck with that. Any chance you'll be posting updates so we can
> know the pummelling that _no good_ Nardelli is suffering?
>
>
>
> > Plus, the material on the record isn't good enough to warrant a full-
> > price release.
>
> I can name any number of records that fit that description...some of
> them are Yes records.
>
> >Armistice Day itself is not bad as a three-minute
> > single style track. We recorded it because everybody told us that
> > Syndestructible would sell better if the radio stations had a short,
> > playlist-friendly track they could use to introduce the band.
>
> that seems rather odd timing then...
>
> >But it
> > has nothing to do with the classic prog style music we were reaching
> > for on the album.
>
> well that seems even odder still...
>
> >The XM tracks are nicely recorded acoustic versions
> > which would make very good b-sides but aren't album material.
>
> have you seen _Acoustic Yes_?
>
> Interestingly, some people *love* that release...and it sells for
> $17.99!
>
> >And Some
> > Time Some Way is horrible - the instrument tracks sound like they've
> > been bit-crushed. I think that, being a live recording, there must
> > have been a mains buzz or something that somebody has tried to remove/
> > disguise, but it hasn't really worked. As a release it rips off the
> > musicians and it rips off the people buying something that is being
> > misrepresented as a proper album. And I personally don't believe that
> > any charity will ever see a penny from it.
>
> well gee...I hope you're wrong about that last part...but I suppose if
> enough dirt is thrown about before anybody can ever hear the thing,
> it's certain not to sell at all...so there won't be any money for
> charity...and then I guess, everyone but Nardelli and the charity will
> be getting what they want from the thing.
>
> Bravo.
>
>
>
> > Gerard
> > (Keyboard player, The Syn, 2004-2006)
>
> hey, just wondering...have you ever met Steve Boyce?
>
> Rob Allen
>
> "But - although some of us do check in now and then, no one in our
> band had ever posted on the fan sites. We've never really spoken to
> one another about it, but I feel the band has a mutual understanding
> that these are sites for the fans and not a forum for people in the
> bands. Having seen a some of that in the past year, it just seems a
> bit, well, ok, I'll say it - creepy. No - shouldn't have said that -
> inappropriate is a much better word......." -- Steve Boyce, July '06- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh dear Rob, the quote from Steve Boyce involved Mr. Boyce talking
about Mr. Nardelli....... :)
Matt
rob...@aol.com
> Oh dear Rob, the quote from Steve Boyce involved Mr. Boyce talking
> about Mr. Nardelli....... :)
<gasp>
*Really*? That is just *so* impossible to imagine, but *really* easy
to google:
Here's the thing, moron, as Boyce takes his swipe at Nardelli, that
swipe in fact applies to *anyone* that fits the description.
Meanwhile, the real comedy in the quote is that Boyce's wife had been
busy posting in support of the _White_ record...so the organ grinder
had some shit to say, but his monkey was the real show all along.
Rob "oh dear smatt...you've come to prove your moron yet again" Allen
smatt
>
> Here's the thing, moron, as Boyce takes his swipe at Nardelli, that
> swipe in fact applies to *anyone* that fits the description.
> Meanwhile, the real comedy in the quote is that Boyce's wife had been
> busy posting in support of the _White_ record...so the organ grinder
> had some shit to say, but his monkey was the real show all along.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL Rob, you're still the same attention seeking pud you've always
been.. But why should things change.... Are you the same punk in real
life, that you are here? Did you get picked on at school? Everybody
is a *BIG MAN* behind a computer......
Matt (Who still couldn't give a flying rats arse what Rob *punk* Allen
thinks)
rob...@aol.com
> > to google:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.yes/browse_frm/thread/aaf3eb...
>
> > Here's the thing, moron, as Boyce takes his swipe at Nardelli, that
> > swipe in fact applies to *anyone* that fits the description.
> > Meanwhile, the real comedy in the quote is that Boyce's wife had been
> > busy posting in support of the _White_ record...so the organ grinder
> > had some shit to say, but his monkey was the real show all along.
>
> > Rob "oh dear smatt...you've come to prove your moron yet again" Allen
>
> LOL Rob, you're still the same attention seeking pud you've always
> been..
<blank stare>
anybody have *any* idea what this moron is on about this time?
>But why should things change.... Are you the same punk in real
> life, that you are here?
I got a buck that sez your scrawny white-trash lookin' ass, could
never gather the stones to say anything even *remotely* similar to
that, to my face.
>Did you get picked on at school?
uh...I didn't really go to school...but during my short experience I
was starting left-side linebacker on the football team...and was a
member of the speech team, judging at as many tournaments as
competing...so while *I* didn't actually _pick_ on anybody, my main
school activities *did* involve laying some people out on occasion.
>Everybody
> is a *BIG MAN* behind a computer......
funny...you post to educate me on the Boyce quote...I point up that
it's all very old news...and you jump up talkin' smack...like the
"*BIG MAN* behind the computer" that you seem to want to be.
That is truly the stuff of moron, moron.
>
> Matt (Who still couldn't give a flying rats arse what Rob *punk* Allen
> thinks)
who are you trying to convince, smatt?
Rob "and why are you having such a hard time doing that?" Allen
st...@umbrellorecords.com
> I'm sure he would've had Mr. Nardelli bothered to pay the money due
> that HE promised to pay for proper promotion. It didn't happen on More
> offered to back theSynfinancially... Made promise after promise...
> First West coast tour cancelled, due to tooth fairy not dropping plane
> tickets in Mr. Nardelli's lap, tour manager waiting and calling
> frantically, to find out why travel payments haven't been made, of
> course no return call. Second West coast tour plane tickets "AQUIRED"
> just a day or two prior to first show, in a strange way indeed.
> European tour cancelled, no promotional payments as repeatedly
> promised by Mr. Nardelli, promotional agents quitting due to lack of
> payment as promised time and again by Mr. Nardelli, Mr. Squire (after
> personally hunting down exactly who was involved in tour arrangements,
> as Mr. Nardelli chose to hide this as well s every other thing
> here..... How many people do you let a person f*** over, friends,
> business contacts, etc before you say bye??? I think Mr. Squire let it
> go on WAY to long to be honest.....
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Matt,
The problem you have is that you get all your 'information' from one
source that has an agenda.
If you wanted to know about the Beatles inside workings, would you ask
Yoko Ono?
You could, but you'd get a very different story if you asked Paul
Mcartney.
Your second problem is that you confuse me with the Umbrello/theone.tv
companies, but I guess you don't understand business workings and
that's ok. I am only prepared to discuss music matters on the forums
in my position as The Syn singer and song writer, the business matters
come out in the wash, and I'm afraid Chris will not be very pleased
with your continuous efforts to distance him from me.
Did you buy Armistice Day, it has generally been very well received?
Steve Nardelli
rob...@aol.com
<smattbabble *snipped*>
> Matt,
>
> The problem you have is that you get all your 'information' from one
> source that has an agenda.
but she posts to our forum and she tells us that *we* have had an
impact on Squire's thinking and his desire to do a solo record. To
her, we _matter_.
> If you wanted to know about the Beatles inside workings, would you ask
> Yoko Ono?
she's willing to talk to us...right?
> You could, but you'd get a very different story if you asked Paul
> Mcartney.
Yoko tells us he's not the greatest guy in the world...and she *does*
talk to us, ya' know.
> Your second problem is that you confuse me with the Umbrello/theone.tv
> companies, but I guess you don't understand business workings and
> that's ok.
I understand "business workings", Steve...and we both know you're
splitting a hair there. That you have a legal out is interesting
enough...I suspect most clear thinking fans (sorry to leave you out,
smatty boy) know that "companies" don't make decisions all by
themselves...directors of said "companies" have everything to do with
how business is transacted...subsequently, you can't just remove
yourself from that business and act like it's not at all about
you ...it _is_ about you, no matter what you might come here to
discuss.
>I am only prepared to discuss music matters on the forums
> in my position as The Syn singer and song writer, the business matters
> come out in the wash, and I'm afraid Chris will not be very pleased
> with your continuous efforts to distance him from me.
for whatever reason, I tend to believe that Chris doesn't know smatt
from any other screwball fan...and wouldn't know (or care) about his
"efforts" whatever they might be.
> Did you buy Armistice Day, it has generally been very well received?
er...3 out of 5 stars...not that great...although I guess one has to
throw the "Life's Too Short" review out...if only because it reads
like it came from someone too close to be objective.
Rob "it looks just *too* familiar" Allen
Rick
Are you talking about these reviews, Rob?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armistice-Day-Syn/dp/B000IOMY0M
Funny, I was thinking that the one by "trevor martin" also looked
uncannily familiar, particularly if you read "trevor"'s take on
Syndestructible. Curious that those are the only two CD's that ole
trev has reviewed--apparently he has a very limited CD collection.
rob...@aol.com
lol...yeah...maybe throw that one out too...
Rob "it's been very _closely_ reviewed" Allen
Paul Goodwin
"Rick" <ricken...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173736095....@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Are you talking about these reviews, Rob?
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armistice-Day-Syn/dp/B000IOMY0M
>
> Funny, I was thinking that the one by "trevor martin" also looked
> uncannily familiar, particularly if you read "trevor"'s take on
> Syndestructible. Curious that those are the only two CD's that ole
> trev has reviewed--apparently he has a very limited CD collection.
"It has something missing in modern prog music and that's soul. It oozes out
of the singer and songs"
"The lead singer has a voice that draws you to the tracks.
Love it!"
Gee, I wonder who "Trevor Martin" might actually be?
--
Paul "something is certainly oozing" Goodwin
Chet
Does the music have a concept? Do ya give a fuck or not?
Don't give me some hick answer, like: the concept is only to make
money. You must be playin with low IQ if that's all you can imagine
rob...@aol.com
> What difference does any of this goodshit make?
none...you're the only person that can even see it, Chet...so it means
nothing and makes no difference at all.
>
> Does the music have a concept? Do ya give a fuck or not?
yes...and no.
>
> Don't give me some hick answer, like: the concept is only to make
> money.
that's the *big city* answer, Chet...and that's always been the
concept, like it or not.
>You must be playin with low IQ if that's all you can imagine
many people can imagine all sorts of things...the folks that can't
sort reality away from all that they imagine may not be playin' with
low IQ, but they're not really _all there_ either, IYKWIM.
Rob "but of course, you don't" Allen
Chris Jemmett
Is this your quote, Matt?
"What a joke, so Steve is going to "Donate" to a charity in the name
of
a person he refused to pay for the work she did while she was on her
death bed. Nice one Steve, trying the old "Pull the Heart Strings"
Angle. I wonder what charity he's going to donate to??? "The
Pathological Liars Association" "Helping liars perfect their craft
worldwide"...... "
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> Are you talking about these reviews, Rob?
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armistice-Day-Syn/dp/B000IOMY0M
>
> Funny, I was thinking that the one by "trevor martin" also looked
> uncannily familiar, particularly if you read "trevor"'s take on
> Syndestructible. Curious that those are the only two CD's that ole
> trev has reviewed--apparently he has a very limited CD collection.
Some readers may be interested in this news report: <http://
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1361968.ece>. Might it
be relevant here?
--
Henry
st...@umbrellorecords.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Again, you are getting your information from people with an agenda.
Michele Moore contacted me at the end of 2005 to say she was ill and
would not be able to do any more work for Umbrello.
In the circumstances, I insisted on continuing to pay her in full
during her illness and did. I was late paying the last month before
she passed away, although I have since sorted it out with her family.
Armistice Day is dedicated to Michele and the profits will go to a
charity in her name to be nominated by her family.
Don Cassidy at Delicious Agony kindly agreed to act as an independant
trustee and will make all the accounting public.
The people who relentlessly attacked Michele during her life are the
very people who ran this nonsense story.
Steve Nardelli
rob...@aol.com
> Is this your quote, Matt?
>
> "What a joke, so Steve is going to "Donate" to a charity in the name
> of
> a person he refused to pay for the work she did while she was on her
> death bed. Nice one Steve, trying the old "Pull the Heart Strings"
> Angle. I wonder what charity he's going to donate to??? "The
> Pathological Liars Association" "Helping liars perfect their craft
> worldwide"
that seems a rather well developed thought for a guy who said this:
"If it tastes like trout, get the f*ck out... If it tastes like
chicken keep on a lickin'"- smatt 10-9-05
Rob "that's *some* life experience" Allen
st...@umbrellorecords.com
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Rick <rickengee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > Are you talking about these reviews, Rob?
>
> >http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armistice-Day-Syn/dp/B000IOMY0M
>
> > Funny, I was thinking that the one by "trevor martin" also looked
> > uncannily familiar, particularly if you read "trevor"'s take on
> > Syndestructible. Curious that those are the only two CD's that ole
> > trev has reviewed--apparently he has a very limited CD collection.
So Henry, are you saying you're the 5 star or the one star guy?
Either way, I don't mind.
Really, The Syn website has received loads of emails praising
Armistice Day.
I'm just pleased it's out there for people to have the chance to hear
it and make their own opinions.
Steve Nardelli
rob...@aol.com
er...so did you insist on such "as The Syn singer and song writer", or
as a representative of Umbrello?
> Armistice Day is dedicated to Michele and the profits will go to a
> charity in her name to be nominated by her family.
> Don Cassidy at Delicious Agony kindly agreed to act as an independant
> trustee and will make all the accounting public.
I"m sure Don is a good guy with good intentions...but I wonder...what
experience does Don bring, that would lends itself well to business of
managing these donations?
> The people who relentlessly attacked Michele during her life are the
> very people who ran this nonsense story.
<blank stare>
Why would people be attacking Michele?
Rob "leave no nit unpicked" Allen
TheMiz
WOW this is just not true!
I have alot of emails from her and you know her and I didn't' see eye to
eye on things but she did email and say I was right about things and
said she was sorry etc.
I have also seen the emails she sent you asking over and over for her money.
I also have emails from her husband who tells me you did still owe the
family money after she passed.
You didn't' pay this money to them so they sold the SYN cd's they had on
eBay to recoup their money. Not a bad deal either $3 a cd and you got
the tour sampler free. So you really didn't' pay her back they just got
there money from you by selling your cd's and holding back the money.
So they can be just like the George Mizers of the world ( Oh yeah I have
those emails too Steve )
rob...@aol.com
yikes...chuckstyle snipping and "loads of emails".
Rob "if I'm you, I quit while I'm only this far behind" Allen
Todd Mitchell
> "Rick" <rickengee...@gmail.com> wrote in message
The plot does seem to be thickening, doesn't it? Maybe "Trevor Martin"
is Tim's evil twin.
--
Todd Mitchell: Just Another TM On This Board
Todd Mitchell
> be relevant here?
I've heard you were "cracking down" on such things over there, but it
seems a monumental waste of time and energy (on behalf of your law
enforcement agencies, in particular). Certainly one should take with a
grain of salt any review posted on Amazon or some restaurant's blog,
no? Why would you want to "criminally prosecute" someone for wanting
to shill a few more books/cds or boost restaurant customers?
--
Todd Mitchell: Apply Directly to the Forehead
Paul Goodwin
"TheMiz" <The...@SynMusic.Com> wrote in message
news:05adnXBtVsLwKWvY...@massilloncabletv.com...
>
> WOW this is just not true!
> I have alot of emails from her and you know her and I didn't' see eye to
> eye on things but she did email and say I was right about things and
> said she was sorry etc.
>
> I have also seen the emails she sent you asking over and over for her
money.
>
> I also have emails from her husband who tells me you did still owe the
> family money after she passed.
>
> You didn't' pay this money to them so they sold the SYN cd's they had on
> eBay to recoup their money. Not a bad deal either $3 a cd and you got
> the tour sampler free. So you really didn't' pay her back they just got
> there money from you by selling your cd's and holding back the money.
>
Burn, bridges, burn.
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Henry didn't say any of the above, Trev.....er....*Steve*
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Paul
Steven Sullivan
> Burn, bridges, burn.
I wouldn't have known Nardelli was referring to this guy...until this guy
chimed in.
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-S 'WTFDYGTFU*business associates*?' Sullivan
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Miz, it is true, exactly as I stated it.
The only late payment was the one before she passed away and I agreed
with her family to sell off the remaining cds to compensate that.
Why not show her the respect she never got from you in her life, what
did she ever do to you?
Yes fans asked me to do something in memory of Michele and the
dedication and Armistice Day profits going to charity in her name is
what is being done. If you want to support it, buy the album.
Steve Nardelli
TheMiz
Are there any profits from Armistice Day ? Krista Wallhagen tells me you
have wrote her a bad check last for for the art work for A.D. and you
still haven't made good on it!
She is getting a large list and an ear full.
Hey Steve somethings never change do they?