New YesTour & HOF Petition
jpdorn...@gmail.com
morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
Michael also has a brand new Yes Hall of Fame petition
(http://www.petitiononline.com/Yes/petition.html).
Relayer
That is bad/sad news
rob...@aol.com
> Michael Smerconish, the Philly radio talk show host, has Jon on this
> morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
> August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
<snort>
The 34 year old Adam Wakeman playing Yes' 40th Anniversary Tour.
(and Rick won't be feeling well this summer)
Rob "I'm not going" Allen
Relayer
exactly..
Chris Jemmett
Tour good, Hall of Fame petition bad.
joe line
Not much of a 40th anniversary tour without Wakeman, I think they have
had and will have trouble selling this.
Hall of Fame, who cares?
rob...@aol.com
perhaps the more casual customer won't know one Wakeman from the
next...until it's too late.
Rob "hey, isn't the other Wakeman kid in Starcastle?" Allen
vide...@aol.com
>
> perhaps the more casual customer won't know one Wakeman from the
> next...until it's too late.
>
> Rob "hey, isn't the other Wakeman kid in Starcastle?" Allen
Since the US tour is only two months, I wonder why Rick didn't do the
US, and then bow out for the world tour and return in 2009.
Well, he knows his health and energy.
So, does Adam even look like Rick? I think I've only heard him on the
Tales from Yesterday cover CD.
Bill
jamesw...@yahoo.com
Steven Sullivan
What he didn't reveal, was that *Jade* Anderson will be singing lead.
(Jon's not going.)
___
-S "I'm goin' " Sullivan
Dudley
"Mark Scalise" <marks...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gee, can we get Dylan Howe in there too? Jade Anderson?
> Yeskids 2008!
Yeah, right - like Anderson's gonna agree to tour singing Yes songs with a
bunch of kids backing him.
D "no freakin' way" D
vide...@aol.com
> "Mark Scalise" <markscal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
PERFECT sarcasm. Great!!!
Bill
...so, what will Nic think of Wakeman's son on keys....
rob...@aol.com
> "Mark Scalise" <markscal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I'm not going to that either.
Rob "oh, how cute" Allen
Nic
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<snort>
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But, but, but, maybe HE'LL play Sound Chaser!
NC
paul
> <robm...@aol.com> wrote in message
So...umm...is it Adam or Oliver we're talking about here?
And at least the R&RHoShame petition gives one the opportunity to add
a scathing comment
p"done"
Jeremy Weissenburger
On 3/3/08 9:21 AM, in article
c86b0879-f6d3-42a6...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com, "Relayer"
<relay...@aol.com> wrote:
Eeps. That far in? 4-5 months from now he knows he is not feeling well?
--Jeremy
--
"The problem, when solved, will be simple." -- Charles Kettering
vide...@aol.com
wrote:
>
> Eeps. That far in? 4-5 months from now he knows he is not feeling well?
>
> --Jeremy
I can only imagine his doctor advised him no extensive touring,
probably due to cardiac health. I can't imagine he'd pass up the
opportunity and a good paycheck for any other reason.
Bill
Relayer
>
> --
>
> But, but, but, maybe HE'LL play Sound Chaser!
>
> NC
Has Rick ever said he wouldn't play that? Or Gates for that matter. It
would be rather interesting.
Nic
"Relayer" <relay...@aol.com> wrote in message
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When conversing with me, Rick has always been complementary about Yes albums
after him, particulary Drama and 90125.. Though for some reason Rick hasn't
playing material from these albums when performing with Yes since including
Relayer. Rick sees these albums to Yes's continued success, so he respects
each of these albums and has said so. But the biggest question remains, why
Rick hasn't played Relayer tracks. Brislin has played "Gates". The one song
that really remains in Howe's mind is "To Be Over". He truly wants to play
that live again before all is said and done. I have told that to Rick. He
has always seemed willing to play any Relayer tracks to me, but who knows
what goes on behind rehearsal closed doors. I have heard that the one that
puts his foot down the most regarding certain tunes for tours is Squire. I
can't imagine that it would be the _sometimes_ Wakeman. So I wouldn't blame
it all on Rick. I think "Gates" is no more a challenge to Rick than it was
to Brislin. Why Yes has never brought Moraz back on board as they have Kaye
or Wakeman, and have brought in Igor and Brislin, says a lot about their
respect for Wakeman and their distaste for Moraz. Too bad, but that's band
politics. I mean, look at the fuckers that argue here on amy!
NC
beekay
(in article <fqhb5n$6hh$2...@reader2.panix.com>):
Jade Anderson? That should make Rob Allen very happy.
-beekay
Nic
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Yea, Jon better have some body guards to keep that creep away.
NC
jw
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> "Relayer" <relay...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 3, 11:45?am, "Nic" <nicbeatREM...@mlode.com> wrote:
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>> --
>>
>> But, but, but, maybe HE'LL play Sound Chaser!
>>
>> NC
>
> Has Rick ever said he wouldn't play that? Or Gates for that matter. It
> would be rather interesting.
>
> --
If they tour with a non-Rick keyboard player and still omit non-Rick
material, I will be a bit disappointed. I'm not going to lie like the lot
of this group and say I won't be there-- but it would be a huge mistake if
they *don't* use this as an oppurtunity to play TbO or Soundchaser.... the
latter is probably not going to happen unless we can get Alan on some speed,
or if we're willing to accept a "swing low sweet chariots" version, like
CttE since 1998..
-jw
Relayer
> "Relayer" <relayer...@aol.com> wrote in message
Well, Rick seems always to have been pretty mature about the comings
and goings in the band and I would be suprised if during a tour
everyone wanted to play something off Relayer and Rick would turn it
down. Thats why I asked. Seems it's Squire/Anderson who would be
problems playing others material (Drama, ABWH).
Relayer
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I'm not lying when I say I won't be there. I probably won't. At this
point, they need to pull a few rabbits out of their hat. And I
CERTAINLY won't pay the $125 that has been mentioned here. I've seen
them 25+ times and the interest is no longer there for the same old
shit they always play. It needs to be something different if Wakeman
is not the keyboard player.
Peter Anderson
WTF kind of advice are the rest of the band getting and WTF are they
doing taking it. A tour like this would be unlikely to go well with
regards to ticket sales etc (unless they disguise the fact that it's
not RICK Wakeman) and would I'm sure fuel bad feelings within and
around the band. I'm getting the same feeling I had around the Talk
tour; that they are just flogging a dead horse.
Just have the guts to call it a day guys. Out of respect and devotion
to the cause I would buy tickets, but would probably be quite sad at
the whole thing.
Having Geoff on Keys would be quite interesting. I can only think that
Jon would have black-balled this suggestion ( I believe Geoff would
have been up for it) as this would have raised the expectation of
playing material from Drama.
Peter.
rob...@aol.com
> "beekay" <c...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:59 -0500, Steven Sullivan wrote
>
> >> Chris Jemmett <ccjemm...@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>> On Mar 3, 8:57 am, jpdornber...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Michael Smerconish, the Philly radio talk show host, has Jon on this
> >>>> morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
> >>>> August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
>
> >>>> Michael also has a brand new Yes Hall of Fame petition
> >>>> (http://www.petitiononline.com/Yes/petition.html).
>
> >>> Tour good, Hall of Fame petition bad.
>
> >> What he didn't reveal, was that *Jade* Anderson will be singing lead.
> >> (Jon's not going.)
>
> >> ___
> >> -S "I'm goin' " Sullivan
>
> > Jade Anderson? That should make Rob Allen very happy.
>
> > -beekay
>
> -
>
> Yea, Jon better have some body guards to keep that creep away.
if you two weren't a couple of bozos, that could be a pretty funny
joke.
Rob "some people can't take' em, some can't tell 'em" Allen
rob...@aol.com
> If they tour with a non-Rick keyboard player and still omit non-Rick
> material, I will be a bit disappointed. �I'm not going to lie like the lot
> of this group and say I won't be there-- �
I'm not going.
Rob "but I don't know if that other guy is or not" Allen
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
[...]
> > On Mar 3, 7:57�am, jpdornber...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Michael Smerconish, the Philly radio talk show host, has Jon on this
> >> morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
> >> August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
> Eeps. That far in? 4-5 months from now he knows he is not feeling well?
It's not an acute problem and Jon is simplifying. Rather, Rick has
explained across several interviews/articles that he's restricting
himself to about 25 shows a year. This is partly about the stresses,
strains and health risks of touring, but is also about spending more
time with his family and developing his TV/radio career.
--
Henry
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> I can only imagine his doctor advised him no extensive touring,
> probably due to cardiac health. I can't imagine he'd pass up the
> opportunity and a good paycheck for any other reason.
<http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wnrw.htm#wrflp> has a lengthy
discussion of what Wakeman's said around cutting back on touring.
--
Henry
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> WTF is Rick doing in this band (well apparently he's not anyway) and
> WTF kind of advice are the rest of the band getting and WTF are they
> doing taking it. A tour like this would be unlikely to go well with
> regards to ticket sales etc (unless they disguise the fact that it's
> not RICK Wakeman) and would I'm sure fuel bad feelings within and
> around the band.
Yes tours sold reasonably well when they had Khoroshev or Brislin
rather than R. Wakeman, so I don't see why a tour with O. Wakeman
shouldn't sell OK. This is far from the first time Rick hasn't been in
the band!
> I'm getting the same feeling I had around the Talk tour; that they are just
> flogging a dead horse.
> Just have the guts to call it a day guys. Out of respect and devotion
> to the cause I would buy tickets, but would probably be quite sad at
> the whole thing. [...]
Why so negative? Rick has been out of the band four times before and
the band has gone on being creative and commercially viable. 63% of
all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the guy
clearly is not essential to the band.
--
Henry
Relayer
From those remarks, it seems it's his other activies combined with a
home life rather than his health that is the main driving force here.
rob...@aol.com
I think his "other activities" have always been the main driving force
in his decisions to work with Yes, or not.
Rob "in my business we call guys like him _whore_" Allen
Chris Jemmett
Ringer
Hired gun
Free lancer
Subcontractor
Independent operator
Son of a Wakeman
rob...@aol.com
er...I guess all those could be used to describe Rick Wakeman...at one
time or another...but the guy that selfishly jumps back and forth
chasing the most lucrative and/or convenient situation, with no
concern for loyalty or effect on others, is the _whore_ in scrap
lingo.
Rob "but an awkward change of subject can sometimes be a good thing"
Allen
Chris Jemmett
This is all pretty hypothetical but it seems that anyone who works for
himself can join a team if he wants and leave for his own work or
another team if he wants. I'm wondering how or if there is a
reasonable comparison in this regard between a rock band and a scrap
company or if maybe the "whore" tag is not entirely derogatory as I
first thought.
> Rob "but an awkward change of subject can sometimes be a good thing" Allen
I have no problem with being a topic whore.
Todd Mitchell
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Jeremy Weissenburger <jweissenbur...@comcast.net> wrote
> [...]
>
> > > On Mar 3, 7:57�am, jpdornber...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Michael Smerconish, the Philly radio talk show host, has Jon on this
> > >> morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
> > >> August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
> [...]
> > Eeps. That far in? 4-5 months from now he knows he is not feeling well?
>
> It's not an acute problem and Jon is simplifying. Rather, Rick has
> explained across several interviews/articles that he's restricting
> himself to about 25 shows a year. This is partly about the stresses,
Forgive me, but can you explain exactly what the "stresses, strains
and health risks" are associated with touring? Yes seem to stay in 5-
star hotels, have plenty of roadies and attaches to carry their
equipment and shit around, and never seem to rehearse. I'm at a loss
as to exactly what is so "stressful" in jetting about the world,
working for approximately 2 hours a day.
--
NP: "Wanted, Dead or Alive," Bon Jovi
rob...@aol.com
I don't know how that's hypothetical...certainly anyone can do that.
In some businesses, the NFL for example, it's actually built in to the
design.
>I'm wondering how or if there is a
> reasonable comparison in this regard between a rock band and a scrap
> company or if maybe the "whore" tag is not entirely derogatory as I
> first thought.
it's not so derogatory as it is a simple descriptive of a person that
operates in a certain manner. You may like to work with the guy a
little or even a lot, but don't expect *too* much in the way of
loyalty or relationship.
>
> > Rob "but an awkward change of subject can sometimes be a good thing" Allen
>
> I have no problem with being a topic whore.
I guess it's ok if you're from around here.
Rob "but not if you rarely post here" Allen
Steven Sullivan
> On Mar 4, 12:56?am, "jw" <bluen...@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> > "Nic" <nicbeatREM...@mlode.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:13spa27...@corp.supernews.com...
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Relayer" <relayer...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:8fdc214c-c978-4542...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Mar 3, 11:45?am, "Nic" <nicbeatREM...@mlode.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> --
> >
> > >> But, but, but, maybe HE'LL play Sound Chaser!
> >
> > >> NC
> >
> > > Has Rick ever said he wouldn't play that? Or Gates for that matter. It
> > > would be rather interesting.
> >
> > > --
> >
> > If they tour with a non-Rick keyboard player and still omit non-Rick
> > of this group and say I won't be there-- ?but it would be a huge mistake if
> > they *don't* use this as an oppurtunity to play TbO or Soundchaser.... ?the
since they have mined most of the Yes Album - GftO material in the last ten years of
concerts, they aren't left with much from that particular sequence:
A Venture
Cans and Brahms
The Remembering
The Ancient
Sound Chaser
To Be Over (though done by Howe as a solo piece)
Parallels
From the rest of the catalog, there's plenty of material that hasn't been
played by the band for decades, but more stuff from the Rabin years seems
unlikely, and the Drama material seems off-limits. Most of The Ladder has been
done in concert. That leaves a chunk of 'Magnification', most of 'Tormato',
most of 'Open Your Eyes', about 30 mins worth of the 'Keys to Ascension' set,
and a range of pre-Howe material.
What in particualr from all this would you like to hear, keeping in mind that they
are pretty much *obligated* to do some 'audience favorites'?
___
-S
"Hey pip squeak, who's L Ron, some new rapper?" -- Nic
Steven Sullivan
> On Mar 4, 10:56 am, "robm...@aol.com" <robm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 7:42 am, Relayer <relayer...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > video...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > I can only imagine his doctor advised him no extensive touring,
> > > > > probably due to cardiac health. I can't imagine he'd pass up the
> > > > > opportunity and a good paycheck for any other reason.
> >
> > > > <http://www.bondegezou.demon.co.uk/wnrw.htm#wrflp> has a lengthy
> > > > discussion of what Wakeman's said around cutting back on touring.
> > > > --
> > > > Henry
> >
> > > From those remarks, it seems it's his other activies combined with a
> > > home life rather than his health that is the main driving force here.
> >
> > I think his "other activities" have always been the main driving force
> > in his decisions to work with Yes, or not.
> > Rob "in my business we call guys like him _whore_" Allen
> Ringer
> Hired gun
> Free lancer
> Subcontractor
> Independent operator
> Son of a Wakeman
Yes keyboardist
Peter Anderson
> Why so negative? Rick has been out of the band four times before and
> the band has gone on being creative and commercially viable. 63% of
> all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the guy
> clearly is not essential to the band.
I agree RW is not essential. But I'm not sure Yes have the profile
nowadays as a band they used to have to help them sustain his loss. He
is by far the best known (past) member. The bands creativity drove
them on previously when he quit, but I'm not convinced that this time
they have it in them to push more boundries (or that they want to
themselves). Yes will still have a big audience in any town they visit
(but not I suspect big enough to keep Jon happy) including me.
Making some new music as a 4 piece with a session player on Keys (a la
Brislin/Koroshev) could be exciting and worked well on Mag. and The
Ladder, (admittedly it was less successful on OYE, although that album
has its own story as discussed indepth on amy).
Having Moraz or Downes on Keys would have been exciting for the fans.
(The arguement about "backward steps" or "not moving forward" is
nonsense with a band that stopped producing new music nearly 10 years
ago).
They have the opportunity to do something really special for their
40th anniversary (f they can herd the cats that Tony Kaye spoke
about). I am a fan of Adam Wakeman and have seen him live several
times, but his inclusion into Yes in place of his dad smacks to me of
more than a little desparation to squeeze out the dregs of the gravy,
and I think it will be seen as such.
Peter.
Peter Anderson
> It's not an acute problem and Jon is simplifying. Rather, Rick has
> explained across several interviews/articles that he's restricting
> himself to about 25 shows a year. This is partly about the stresses,
> strains and health risks of touring, but is also about spending more
> time with his family and developing his TV/radio career.
And I don't blame him one bit, or anyone else in the band for that
matter for wanting to take it easy after decades of hard work and
great concerts, but I'm just saddened that they appear to prefer going
out with a fizzle rather than a bang.
Peter.
vide...@aol.com
It was my original theory (when the topic of a Wakemanless 40th tour
came up) that he was too deep in with TV and radio show commitments to
undertake a lengthy tour. It seems to me to be a combination of all
factors from reading your excerpts.
Bill
progea
> On Mar 4, 9:16 am, "use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk"
>
> <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> writes:
> > Jeremy Weissenburger <jweissenbur...@comcast.net> wrote
> > [...]
>
> > > > On Mar 3, 7:57�am, jpdornber...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> Michael Smerconish, the Philly radio talk show host, has Jon on this
> > > >> morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
> > > >> August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
> > [...]
> > > Eeps. That far in? 4-5 months from now he knows he is not feeling well?
>
> > It's not an acute problem and Jon is simplifying. Rather, Rick has
> > explained across several interviews/articles that he's restricting
> > himself to about 25 shows a year. This is partly about the stresses,
> > strains and health risks of touring[...]
>
> Forgive me, but can you explain exactly what the "stresses, strains
> and health risks" are associated with touring?
But he's already had a heart attack, right?
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> writes
[...]
> > It's not an acute problem and Jon is simplifying. Rather, Rick has
> > explained across several interviews/articles that he's restricting
> > himself to about 25 shows a year. This is partly about the stresses,
> > strains and health risks of touring[...]
>
> Forgive me, but can you explain exactly what the "stresses, strains
> and health risks" are associated with touring? Yes seem to stay in 5-
> star hotels, have plenty of roadies and attaches to carry their
> equipment and shit around, and never seem to rehearse. I'm at a loss
> as to exactly what is so "stressful" in jetting about the world,
> working for approximately 2 hours a day.
Touring can be pretty physically and emotionally demanding. I don't
know how to begin to explain something so obvious!
--
Henry
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> [...] I am a fan of Adam Wakeman and have seen him live several
> times, but his inclusion into Yes in place of his dad smacks to me of
> more than a little desparation to squeeze out the dregs of the gravy,
> and I think it will be seen as such.
It's Oliver, not Adam. (Adam is busy with Black Sabbath and Ozzy
Osbourne.)
--
Henry
vide...@aol.com
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
ng for approximately 2 hours a day.
>
> Touring can be pretty physically and emotionally demanding. I don't
> know how to begin to explain something so obvious!
> --
> Henry
I thought in an interview Wakeman said he was sleeping all day other
than playing by the end of the last tour (35th anniversary). It
sounded as though it was more emotionally draining than physical to
me, but who knows. I thought Rick said he was suffering from
depression.
Bill
Jeremy Weissenburger
On 3/4/08 9:16 AM, in article
b0ad730b-b922-4a79...@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
"use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk" <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
See, I understand that the band is on hiatus and such, but Yes' official
webpage should have news like this up, so people don't get in to a tizzy
when they hear it on the radio or read it on the internet.
--Jeremy
--
"Our guests are not encouraged to fight, they are encouraged to search for
world peace." -- Jerry Springer
Jeremy Weissenburger
On 3/4/08 9:23 AM, in article
1dd57ce3-dbf6-4c38...@m34g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
"use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk" <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Why so negative? Rick has been out of the band four times before and
> the band has gone on being creative and commercially viable. 63% of
> all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the guy
> clearly is not essential to the band.
See my previous post, Henry, about this subject. As much as we can say
Wakeman has not been on the majority of the albums, there are a majority of
the fans who go to these shows that think that Yes = Wakeman. These are the
fans who have been there throughout the 70s, and saw them with Wakeman most
of the time.
I want Yes to succeed, with or without Wakeman. But at this stage of the
game, unless they can produce some new music and start thinking outside the
box, I am nor sure how that is possible.
--Jeremy
--
"Figures lie and lies figure." -- Ralph Branca
Michel Forest
> > Why so negative? Rick has been out of the band four times before and
> > the band has gone on being creative and commercially viable. 63% of
> > all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the guy
> > clearly is not essential to the band.
>
> I agree RW is not essential. But I'm not sure Yes have the profile
> nowadays as a band they used to have to help them sustain his loss.
I think that the band's profile is so low nowadays that the only
people who will bother to go to the shows will be longtime Yes fans
who are used to the frequent changes of keyboard players. Whether it's
Rick, or Son Of Rick, on keyboards won't matter much. When Rick came
back in 2002, there was not a huge increase in ticket sales, if any
increase at all. And recent tours without Rick did very well.
> He is by far the best known (past) member. The bands creativity drove
> them on previously when he quit, but I'm not convinced that this time
> they have it in them to push more boundries (or that they want to
> themselves).
Considering that Rick's creativity is pretty much nonexistent at the
moment, I presume they can come up with new music, if they still feel
like recording some.
> Having Moraz or Downes on Keys would have been exciting for the fans.
> (The arguement about "backward steps" or "not moving forward" is
> nonsense with a band that stopped producing new music nearly 10 years
> ago).
Can't say I'd be very excited if Moraz was back. Downes is quite busy
with Asia, and his style of songwriting is not my cup of tea *at all*.
> They have the opportunity to do something really special for their
> 40th anniversary (f they can herd the cats that Tony Kaye spoke
> about). I am a fan of Adam Wakeman and have seen him live several
> times, but his inclusion into Yes in place of his dad smacks to me of
> more than a little desparation to squeeze out the dregs of the gravy,
> and I think it will be seen as such.
It's not Adam, btw, it's Oliver Wakeman. (There are just too many
Wakemans to keep track of...)
Jeremy Weissenburger
On 3/4/08 12:48 PM, in article
27b62a45-de32-42b4...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com, "Todd
Mitchell" <nous...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
In these days of airport security, I can imagine that getting through the
airport is pretty stressful. I always find it a pain. Now imagine doing
that all the time.
Jetsetting may sound like fun to you or me, but nothing is really fun if you
don't want to do it.
--Jeremy
--
"Nobody likes a math geek, Scully." -- Agent Mulder
Michel Forest
Touring can be exhausting for a guy like Wakeman who is almost 60 and
has had major health problems in the past. There's a reason his
doctors have told to lay off on the heavy touring.
I remember reading an article by Neil Peart that described the daily
grind of touring. It was not glamourous at all, trust me.
Mike Smith
Turntablist.
--
Mike Smith
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote
[...]
> > It's not an acute problem and Jon is simplifying. Rather, Rick has
> > explained across several interviews/articles that he's restricting
> > himself to about 25 shows a year. This is partly about the stresses,
> > strains and health risks of touring, but is also about spending more
> > time with his family and developing his TV/radio career.
>
> See, I understand that the band is on hiatus and such, but Yes' official
> webpage should have news like this up, so people don't get in to a tizzy
> when they hear it on the radio or read it on the internet.
I presume YesWorld will have a formal announcement shortly. As far as
I understand it, we're still waiting for the i's to be dotted and the
t's all crossed on agreements for the tour. It's not YesWorld's
position to speculate on Wakeman's reasons for not wanting to do the
tour.
--
Henry
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> <use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Why so negative? Rick has been out of the band four times before and
> > the band has gone on being creative and commercially viable. 63% of
> > all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the guy
> > clearly is not essential to the band.
>
> See my previous post, Henry, about this subject. As much as we can say
> Wakeman has not been on the majority of the albums, there are a majority of
> the fans who go to these shows that think that Yes = Wakeman. These are the
> fans who have been there throughout the 70s, and saw them with Wakeman most
> of the time.
>
> I want Yes to succeed, with or without Wakeman. But at this stage of the
> game, unless they can produce some new music and start thinking outside the
> box, I am nor sure how that is possible.
They sold tickets in 2004 without any new studio material. They sold
tickets in 1997-2001 without Rick. To a first order of approximation,
Yes sold much the same numbers throughout the period 1997-2004 and the
people who saw them then are basically the same as the people who will
see them in 2008. I think Yes will find it difficult to break out of
that core of fans, but I also don't see that core of fans deserting
Yes just because Rick is absent.
--
Henry
Peter Anderson
posts that correct this, however my arguement doesn't change.
Peter
Todd Mitchell
writes:
> On 3/4/08 12:48 PM, in article
Which was my point. Just say, "I don't want to do it," rather than
using some imaginary "health risk" or whatever. Sure, airport security
sucks and is stressful, but it's not like these guys are toting their
own bags and suffering interminable lines.
--
NP: "Vacation", The Go Go's
Todd Mitchell
So 25 shows a year is ok, but more than that is, what, death?
> I don't
> know how to begin to explain something so obvious!
Obviously.
--
NP: "Vacation" The Go Go's
Mark
>
> - Show quoted text -
From what I've heard sitting on airplanes or whatever is not good for
circulation and can cause problems.
Mark
Peter Anderson
in UK terms. The last two tours with Wakey played to consistently well
filled (if not exactly sold out) arenas. This was I feel in a large
part due to Wakemans presence and the publicity surrounding the
Ultimate Yes release, which even went as far as TV commercials. This
helped raise the awareness of many more fans than usual who had not
been to a Yes show since the 70's. I don't think they would be up for
it again with son of Wakey in the band - whichever one it is. I agree
however that I don't see the core fans deserting. That's what makes
them core fans.
Peter.
> They sold tickets in 2004 without any new studio material. They sold
> tickets in 1997-2001 without Rick. To a first order of approximation,
> Yes sold much the same numbers throughout the period 1997-2004 and the
> people who saw them then are basically the same as the people who will
> see them in 2008. I think Yes will find it difficult to break out of
> that core of fans, but I also don't see that core of fans deserting
> Yes just because Rick is absent.
> --
> Henry- Hide quoted text -
JJ (UK)
news:2d30262d-1dc3-4566...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Michael Smerconish, the Philly radio talk show host, has Jon on this
> morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
> August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
Well, that's good news I suppose, but as other posters have said, unless
there's a few 'rarities' in the set list I can't imagine myself getting
excited enough to actually go to see them.
> Michael also has a brand new Yes Hall of Fame petition
> (http://www.petitiononline.com/Yes/petition.html).
Oh FFS, just leave it alone. The RRHOF has proved itself to be bankrupt of
any kind of integrity through their abject refusal to admit phenomonally
successful bands like Yes and Rush. So who gives a heck about anyone's
inclusion in their absurd lists anyway (even the ones already in there).
JJ (UK)
Peter Anderson
> I think that the band's profile is so low nowadays that the only
> people who will bother to go to the shows will be longtime Yes fans
> who are used to the frequent changes of keyboard players. Whether it's
> Rick, or Son Of Rick, on keyboards won't matter much. When Rick came
> back in 2002, there was not a huge increase in ticket sales, if any
> increase at all. And recent tours without Rick did very well.
I've replied to much the same point Henry made. I think in the UK the
band has done consistently better with Wakey and I don't think those
returning fans will be tempted back with the current scenario.
>
> > He is by far the best known (past) member. The bands creativity drove
> > them on previously when he quit, but I'm not convinced that this time
> > they have it in them to push more boundries (or that they want to
> > themselves).
>
> Considering that Rick's creativity is pretty much nonexistent at the
> moment, I presume they can come up with new music, if they still feel
> like recording some.
Steve Howe seems to be the only current member still being musically
creative. I don't get the feeling they've got it in them to produce
another original album. They've done plenty in their career and nobody
is saying they need to produce another album, but JA has stated his
frustration at their lack of commercial success, however the route
they seem to be taking is only going to increase his frustrations
within the band. Touring with the "classic" line up at least has some
credibility and the more recent previous tours without Wakey at least
were driven by new music and were successful and credible and
immensely enjoyable to go to. I don't think I'd travel to the other
end of the UK to watch this tour.
> > Having Moraz or Downes on Keys would have been exciting for the fans.
> > (The arguement about "backward steps" or "not moving forward" is
> > nonsense with a band that stopped producing new music nearly 10 years
> > ago).
>
> Can't say I'd be very excited if Moraz was back. Downes is quite busy
> with Asia, and his style of songwriting is not my cup of tea *at all*.
Much of Jon and Ricks style of writing outside of Yes is not my cup of
tea. Geoff's contribution to Yes definetly *is* my cup of tea.
Peter.
Peter Anderson
> Oh FFS, just leave it alone.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
Peter
Nic
I would need is To Be Over, and/or a few other tracks yet unplayed from
Magnification. Maybe On The Silent Wings of Freedom or Parallels...
something really different, but if it's the same old Yessongs, NOPE.
NC
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> > NC- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm not lying when I say I won't be there. I probably won't. At this
Nic
"Peter Anderson" <yes...@sky.com> wrote in message
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> WTF is Rick doing in this band (well apparently he's not anyway) and
> WTF kind of advice are the rest of the band getting and WTF are they
> doing taking it. A tour like this would be unlikely to go well with
> regards to ticket sales etc (unless they disguise the fact that it's
> not RICK Wakeman) and would I'm sure fuel bad feelings within and
> around the band.
Let's see. Rick Wakeman was and is an important part of this band. Remember
Fragile, Close To The Edge, Topographic, etc...?
Meanwhile, none of these guys are getting any younger. Neither are we.
Rick has TWO heart attacks in his 20's. He battled alcoholism and done well
since. He was in a coma in 1999 from pneumonia and topped off with the
horrible pain of pleurisy. His doctor has advised him to hold back from his
grueling schedule, or he could die. Yet, Jon and Steve and Alan and Chris
know the importance of having Rick in the band when he is able. They
continue to leave the door open for him. If Rick is unable they usually have
good alternate plans, such as Brislen.
So don't worry about it. If sons Oliver or Adam fill in for Pop isn't that
kind of cool? Beatles fans would love to see McCartney sing with Julian. At
least Jon and the rest are willing to bring on Oliver or Adam.
Think a little more about the health matters of our Yes guys. We want them
to be healthy and live long, even if it means we don't get what we used to
get.
NC
Nic
<rob...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 3, 7:42?pm, "Nic" <nicbeatREM...@mlode.com> wrote:
> "beekay" <c...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0001HW.C3F21BBE...@news.giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:05:59 -0500, Steven Sullivan wrote
> > (in article <fqhb5n$6h...@reader2.panix.com>):
>
> >> Chris Jemmett <ccjemm...@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>> On Mar 3, 8:57 am, jpdornber...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Michael Smerconish, the Philly radio talk show host, has Jon on this
> >>>> morning and Jon has announced the 40th Anniversary Tour for July and
> >>>> August '08 with Adam Wakeman on keys (Rick's not feeling well).
>
> >>>> (http://www.petitiononline.com/Yes/petition.html).
>
>
> >> What he didn't reveal, was that *Jade* Anderson will be singing lead.
> >> (Jon's not going.)
>
> >> ___
> >> -S "I'm goin' " Sullivan
>
> > Jade Anderson? That should make Rob Allen very happy.
>
> > -beekay
>
> -
>
> Yea, Jon better have some body guards to keep that creep away.
if you two weren't a couple of bozos, that could be a pretty funny
joke.
--
You are a joke, Rob Allen.
NC
Nic
<rob...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 3, 10:56?pm, "jw" <bluen...@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> If they tour with a non-Rick keyboard player and still omit non-Rick
> material, I will be a bit disappointed. ?I'm not going to lie like the lot
> of this group and say I won't be there-- ?
I'm not going.
--
Good. You won't be stalking me at Yes concerts then.
NC
Nic
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Peter Anderson <yesw...@sky.com> wrote
>> WTF is Rick doing in this band (well apparently he's not anyway) and
>> WTF kind of advice are the rest of the band getting and WTF are they
>> doing taking it. A tour like this would be unlikely to go well with
>> regards to ticket sales etc (unless they disguise the fact that it's
>> not RICK Wakeman) and would I'm sure fuel bad feelings within and
>> around the band.
>
> rather than R. Wakeman, so I don't see why a tour with O. Wakeman
> shouldn't sell OK. This is far from the first time Rick hasn't been in
> the band!
>
>> I'm getting the same feeling I had around the Talk tour; that they are
>> just
>> flogging a dead horse.
>> Just have the guts to call it a day guys. Out of respect and devotion
>> to the cause I would buy tickets, but would probably be quite sad at
>> the whole thing. [...]
>
> Why so negative? Rick has been out of the band four times before and
> the band has gone on being creative and commercially viable. 63% of
> all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the guy
> clearly is not essential to the band.
Rick Wakeman is a favorite to many who follow Yes and many who follow Rick
like Yes only when he is involved. He had more media attention than anyone
in the band in the 1970's. Yes wins better when Rick is involved. No one is
essential to the band other than Jon, ABWH proved that and on the other end
of the scope even Drama. Rick would say that himself. However, your comment
is incredibly disrespectful coming from someone who obviously has an inside
contact somehow. You are a cunting bigot Mrs. Potts.
NC
Todd Mitchell
> "Peter Anderson" <yesw...@sky.com> wrote in message
>
> news:42864dbc-dada-4654...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > WTF is Rick doing in this band (well apparently he's not anyway) and
> > WTF kind of advice are the rest of the band getting and WTF are they
> > doing taking it. A tour like this would be unlikely to go well with
> > regards to ticket sales etc (unless they disguise the fact that it's
> > not RICK Wakeman) and would I'm sure fuel bad feelings within and
> > around the band.
>
> Let's see. Rick Wakeman was and is an important part of this band. Remember
> Fragile, Close To The Edge, Topographic, etc...?
>
> Meanwhile, none of these guys are getting any younger. Neither are we.
>
> Rick has TWO heart attacks in his 20's. He battled alcoholism and done well
> since. He was in a coma in 1999 from pneumonia and topped off with the
> horrible pain of pleurisy. His doctor has advised him to hold back from his
> grueling schedule, or he could die. Yet, Jon and Steve and Alan and Chris
> know the importance of having Rick in the band when he is able. They
> continue to leave the door open for him. If Rick is unable they usually have
> good alternate plans, such as Brislen.
Not to give douche here too much credit, but this is what I was
looking for above when I questioned the "health risks" of touring.
Pleurisy itself can be aggravated by altitude changes, from what I've
read, so I imagine the constant up and down in the planes could be
"painful". Not to mention all the other shit wrong with him.
Nice job, N*c. Even though you're still a douche.
Nic
"Todd Mitchell" <nous...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I'd rather be a douche than listen to The Go Go's.
NC
Michel Forest
Let me see... all that Henry wrote was that Rick is not essential to
the band. Then *you* wrote that "no one is essential other than Jon",
which implies that *Rick* is not essential. Seems to me like you
actually *agree* with the guy, only to call him a "cunting bigot"
right after.
So my question is:
are you
a) dumb
b) drunk
c) stoned
d) all of the above
Peter Anderson
> Let me see... all that Henry wrote was that Rick is not essential to
> the band. Then *you* wrote that "no one is essential other than Jon",
> which implies that *Rick* is not essential. Seems to me like you
> actually *agree* with the guy, only to call him a "cunting bigot"
> right after.
Henry said:
"They sold tickets in 2004 without any new studio material. They sold
tickets in 1997-2001 without Rick. To a first order of approximation,
Yes sold much the same numbers throughout the period 1997-2004 and
the
people who saw them then are basically the same as the people who
will
see them in 2008"
I don't agree with any of that.
> So my question is:
> are you
> a) dumb
> b) drunk
> c) stoned
> d) all of the above- Hide quoted text -
I'd go for "d" but not necessarily in that order or all at the same
time.
Peter.
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> Which was my point. Just say, "I don't want to do it," rather than
> using some imaginary "health risk" or whatever. Sure, airport security
> sucks and is stressful, but it's not like these guys are toting their
> own bags and suffering interminable lines.
Wakeman isn't saying it's a health risk; he's pretty openly discussed
a range of factors leading to his position. However, the health issues
are part of that: on a tour just a few years back, Wakeman contracted
serious pleurisy, for example.
--
Henry
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> > I think that the band's profile is so low nowadays that the only
> > people who will bother to go to the shows will be longtime Yes fans
> > who are used to the frequent changes of keyboard players. Whether it's
> > Rick, or Son Of Rick, on keyboards won't matter much. When Rick came
> > back in 2002, there was not a huge increase in ticket sales, if any
> > increase at all. And recent tours without Rick did very well.
>
> I've replied to much the same point Henry made. I think in the UK the
> band has done consistently better with Wakey and I don't think those
> returning fans will be tempted back with the current scenario.
I think, across the world, the band has done consistently better with
Wakey in terms of ticket sales... but not hugely so. Yes, he'll affect
ticket sales, but Yes have done fine without him before and will do so
again. If he's a particular draw in the UK... well, they're not
touring the UK, so that's rather a moot point!
> > [...] Considering that Rick's creativity is pretty much nonexistent at the
> > moment, I presume they can come up with new music, if they still feel
> > like recording some.
>
> Steve Howe seems to be the only current member still being musically
> creative. I don't get the feeling they've got it in them to produce
> another original album.
I'd probably pick Howe as the most creative currently, but I think
you're being harsh on the others. White has been doing some great
stuff in CIRCA: recently. _Chris Squire's Swiss Choir_ works for me in
patches and, I think, shows some interesting innovation from Squire.
His work on _Syndestructible_ was pretty good. I don't understand
Anderson's "let a hundred flowers bloom" strategy as he tries to
collaborate with everyone on MySpace, but some of the results are
interesting. So, I think they do have it in them to produce another
original album.
_Magnification_ wasn't that long ago. I don't see why they shouldn't
make something as good as _Magnification_ again, I thought
_Magnification_ was pretty damn good.
--
Henry
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> Well, that's good news I suppose, but as other posters have said, unless
> there's a few 'rarities' in the set list I can't imagine myself getting
> excited enough to actually go to see them.
Every recent tour has unearthed a few 'rarities'. It seems probable
that this one will too.
--
Henry
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> "Nic" <nicbeatREM...@mlode.com> writes:
[...]
> > Rick has TWO heart attacks in his 20's. He battled alcoholism and done well
> > since. He was in a coma in 1999 from pneumonia and topped off with the
> > horrible pain of pleurisy. His doctor has advised him to hold back from his
>
> Not to give douche here too much credit, but this is what I was
> looking for above when I questioned the "health risks" of touring.
> Pleurisy itself can be aggravated by altitude changes, from what I've
> read, so I imagine the constant up and down in the planes could be
> "painful". Not to mention all the other shit wrong with him.
Wakeman doesn't currently have pleurisy. Rather, he contracted
pleurisy while touring previously, and has since recovered.
--
Henry
Chris Jemmett
> "Todd Mitchell" <nousol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
As long as you stay away from the Go Go's the rest takes care of
itself.
rob...@aol.com
> <robm...@aol.com> wrote in message
poor play nice N*c.
Rob "and in so many ways" Allen
rob...@aol.com
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Todd Mitchell <nousol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Which was my point. Just say, "I don't want to do it," rather than
> > using some imaginary "health risk" or whatever. Sure, airport security
> > sucks and is stressful, but it's not like these guys are toting their
> > own bags and suffering interminable lines.
>
> Wakeman isn't saying it's a health risk; he's pretty openly discussed
> a range of factors leading to his position.
right, it was Jon that said he wasn't feeling well...and Jon could
have said, "Rick didn't want to do it".
>However, the health issues
> are part of that: on a tour just a few years back, Wakeman contracted
> serious pleurisy, for example.
I had a bit of that back in the mid-80's...painful and kinda scary
until you understand what's happening...I was down for every bit of a
couple of days in fact.
Rob "my chest *really* hurts" Allen
rob...@aol.com
I like the Go Go's...and some their solo stuff too..._House of Shock_
come quickly to mind...and The Graces...nothing deep, but fun to
listen to...sometimes.
Rob "ask Rob...he likes *everything*" Allen
Peter Anderson
> Think a little more about the health matters of our Yes guys. We want them
> to be healthy and live long, even if it means we don't get what we used to
> get.
No arguement from me there. This should always be #1 priority.
Peter.
zencat36
What a sad statement. Yesshows are so much better with Rick, imo. He
knows the music, he was part of the music. Rick is as much Yes as Jon,
Chris, and Steve. He's not some studio guy who had to learn the notes
for one tour.
However, I thought it was Rick who questioned whether Jon could endure
a long tour, originally. Seems like Rick lost his desire after all the
delays and years off. The bittersweet saga continues.
MACK DADDY
>
> - Show quoted text -
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Drama is a superior album to ABWH. Even the hated Union album is
better than ABWH.
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
> <<63% of all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the
> guy clearly is not essential to the band. -- Henry >>
>
> What a sad statement. Yesshows are so much better with Rick, imo. He
> knows the music, he was part of the music. Rick is as much Yes as Jon,
> Chris, and Steve. He's not some studio guy who had to learn the notes
> for one tour.
The best Yes shows I saw were with Igor Khoroshev on keys, and Rick
has *never* been as much Yes as Anderson, Squire and Howe.
--
Henry
Dave Carroll
The best I've ever seen was the 1978 "In The Round" tour [Boston
Garden], Rick on keys.
Dave
rob...@aol.com
> <<63% of all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the
> guy clearly is not essential to the band. -- Henry >>
>
> What a sad statement. Yesshows are so much better with Rick, imo.
the percentage is factual...if you find that sad, understand why it
is...Rick kept leaving the band. As to whether Yesshows are better
with Rick...it's all a matter of opinion and taste...but certainly the
best Yesshows I've seen were not with Rick...and the last couple of go-
rounds with him turned me off of seeing the band live at all.
>He
> knows the music, he was part of the music. Rick is as much Yes as Jon,
> Chris, and Steve. He's not some studio guy who had to learn the notes
> for one tour.
he's not...indeed he's a guy that can just show up and play...no
rehearsal required...so with Rick, the band can just phone it in...and
then do just that!
Rob "and they'll do that same thing the Son of Wakeman" Allen
vide...@aol.com
> he's not...indeed he's a guy that can just show up and play...no
> rehearsal required...so with Rick, the band can just phone it in...and
> then do just that!
>
> Rob
Watching this thread evolve, well, I'm on a long software install
(Adobe CS3) and thought I'd pipe in.
I agree that Oliver is "stunt-casting" on the Wakeman name. I had the
sense on the last few tours that Wakeman was playing as an equal in
the band.
The problem with Igor, as talented as he was at playing both Wakeman
and Moraz, I think the band always treated him as a sideman (which
showed up too in the recording of "The Ladder" -- the keys were
downplayed), and can too easily fall into that mode. Maybe it is out
of necessity/habit as the spot has changed so many times.
It would have been nice to have the 5 regulars get together for a
month and actually write/record together. I'm not as certain we'll see
a new recording, with yet a new keyboard player. It would be nice if
they did it, as Jon said "for the fans". Sales won't be stellar. Just
self release on iTunes or something.
I'll withold comment on Oliver until I hear him play. Will he just
imitate dad or what might he bring fresh to the table? As per Henry's
comment, Yes most likely will bring at least ONE song out of the
archives to add to the set list on the current tour.
I have little doubt I will make the trek to Boston to see the summer
tour. I'm addicted.
Bill
NP: nothing, I unplugged my ipod dock from the power strip to make
room for phone and laptop power bricks.
progea
> On Mar 7, 9:58 am, "robm...@aol.com" <robm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > he's not...indeed he's a guy that can just show up and play...no
> > rehearsal required...so with Rick, the band can just phone it in...and
> > then do just that!
>
> > Rob
>
> Watching this thread evolve, well, I'm on a long software install
> (Adobe CS3) and thought I'd pipe in.
> I agree that Oliver is "stunt-casting" on the Wakeman name. I had the
> sense on the last few tours that Wakeman was playing as an equal in
> the band.
> The problem with Igor, as talented as he was at playing both Wakeman
> and Moraz, I think the band always treated him as a sideman (which
> showed up too in the recording of "The Ladder" -- the keys were
> downplayed), and can too easily fall into that mode. Maybe it is out
> of necessity/habit as the spot has changed so many times.
>
> It would have been nice to have the 5 regulars get together for a
> month and actually write/record together.
Sullivan - bass/vocals, Nardelli - vocals/guitar, Daphne Lawless -
keyboards/vocals, KMCPro - instruments/vocals and maybe even myself on
percussion, whistle, Hammond L-112 and vocals.
rojon
> <<63% of all previous Yes shows have been without Rick Wakeman -- the
> guy clearly is not essential to the band. -- Henry >>
>
> What a sad statement. Yesshows are so much better with Rick, imo. He
> knows the music, he was part of the music. Rick is as much Yes as Jon,
> Chris, and Steve. He's not some studio guy who had to learn the notes
> for one tour.
Was Picasso essential to his painting Three Musicians? A painting or a
song is an extention of the artist that creates it.
Todd Mitchell
Yet the band itself refers to the lineup with Wakeman as its "classic"
incarnation.
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NP: Classic Yes
Nic
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Henry - You're too young to have had the chance to see Yes during Close to
the Edge, Topographic, even Going For The One or Tormato tours. You caught
on with YesWest, so I understand you have no allegiance to Wakeman. You also
like Spice Girls. "Tell me what you want what you really really want..."
Brilliant.
NC
(The greatest Yes concert I ever saw was Topographic Oceans)
Nic
<use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Not true. Rick did not contract pleurisy while on tour.
Rick contracted pneumonia immediately after recording Patrick Stewart's
narration in LA for "Return to the Centre of the Earth". On the flight back
to the UK he began to feel the effects and soon fell into a coma along with
the effects of pleurisy. When someone has experienced pneumonia/pleurisy it
is easier to contract it again if one is not careful.
NC
Nic
<rob...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I like the Go Go's...and some their solo stuff too..._House of Shock_
come quickly to mind...and The Graces...nothing deep, but fun to
listen to...sometimes.
Rob "ask Rob...he likes *everything*" Allen
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LIAR! You don't like Tormato.. but you like The Go Gos.... Figures.
NC
Nic
Of course they do. It's true.
NC
Dudley
"Nic" <nicbea...@mlode.com> wrote in message
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Same thing happened to me when I heard the album.
DD
Nic
"Dudley" <Do-R...@rcmp.gov> wrote in message
news:SHgAj.11737$CD7....@newsfe11.phx...
Now that is not very nice. There are some really great moments on the
record, and to make light of the fact that this artist gave so much to this
recording, even his health, says a lot about you. You are a troll. No wonder
Yes themselves see this newsgroup as a bunch of fuckin' idiots.
NC
rob...@aol.com
wrote:
> <robm...@aol.com> wrote in message
You misspelled WISE-CRACKER!...and just to make it better, I like The
Spice Girls too...and have even purchased some of the Scary Spice solo
stuff.
Rob "maybe her dad should hire somebody to protect her from me" Allen
rob...@aol.com
> "Dudley" <Do-Ri...@rcmp.gov> wrote in message
>
> news:SHgAj.11737$CD7....@newsfe11.phx...
>
>
> > "Nic" <nicbeatREM...@mlode.com> wrote in message
the record sucks, moroN*c...and "Yes themselves"?
<snort>
Rob "whoever they are, it would seem they've little room to talk" Allen
use...@bondegezou.demon.co.uk
If any line-up deserves to be called the "classic" line-up, then I'd
say it's the one with Anderson, Squire, Howe, White and Wakeman.
However, that doesn't mean every component of that line-up has been
equally significant in the history of Yes.
--
Henry
Todd Mitchell
Right, except for the "classic" part, that is.
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