Yes appearance in a Marvel comic
Tom O'Toole
and on a whim I add to the pile a copy of Killraven #1. Imagine my surprise
to see, on page 6, a very recognisable representation of the cover of Close
To The Edge. Are there any other nods to Yes in this medium? Anyone else
out there still read comic books?
Tom
Rossano Basile
> [..]
> Are there any other nods to Yes in this medium? Anyone else
> out there still read comic books?
Yes, I'm still a Marvel Zombie or what it's called these days...
--
Rossano Basile
http://web.tiscalinet.it/basilero
Stephen Bruun
news:92kt2f$oi8$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Imagine my surprise
> to see, on page 6, a very recognisable representation of the cover of
Close
> To The Edge.
Close To The Edge is a pretty nondescript cover - black fading downward to
green. I have to suspect coincidence.
Before I started typing this message, the window looked UNCANNILY like the
cover of the White Album.
CountV/John T
Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
Yes, but not Marvel.
Eightball, Stray Bullets and Bacchus still hold my attention. I still miss
the heyday of Hate, Yummy Fur, Sandman, Hellblazer, Deadboy, From Hell, The
Shadow (the post-Chaykin issues were classics) and others. Comics seem to
have, except maybe for DC's Vertigo line, pretty much reverted to the state
they were in before the black-and-white self-publishing boom in the
Eighties. There are still a few quality titles out there, but that many of
the instigators of quality writing like Alan Moore, Frank Miller and Neil
Gaiman seem to have moved on to other media, thing seem to be a bit less
adventurous and even Cerebus is coming to a close after three decades.
Maybe a new boom will come. One can only hope.
--
CountV/John T
"I'm trying to get my Mac fully tricked out before January, when the Mac
operating system is no more. At that point, I want my machine perfect, so I
can go as long as possible before switching over to Windows." - Bruce
Tognazzini
AMYCD logos and sleeve proposals; http://www.m-ideas.com/amy/index.htm
Jeremy S.
In article <92kt2f$oi8$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
Well, yeah. The artist who did that was Joe Lisner, I believe. A lot of
his work is in the "Cry For Dawn" series, so there may be some album
covers there.
As for other albums, it depends on the artist and/or writer, as to who or
what is in the pictures.
Sadly, the Killraven is just a one-shot. Perhaps Marvel can convince him
to do more.
--Jeremy
Jeremy S.
Stephen Bruun <br...@starpower.net> wrote:
>Tom O'Toole <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:92kt2f$oi8$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Imagine my surprise
>> to see, on page 6, a very recognisable representation of the cover of
>> Close To The Edge.
>
>Close To The Edge is a pretty nondescript cover - black fading downward to
>green. I have to suspect coincidence.
No, it _is_ the Yes _CttE_ album. The title is right on the top of the
album drawn in the picture.
--Jeremy
Steven Sullivan
: So I'm in the local comic shop, picking up whatever's turned up this week,
Peep Show is the only one I still buy.
--
-S.
"If you would have ignored me like I asked then perhaps I wouldn't
have bother to write you a thing, but your anger at life makes me ill
mentally and your arrogance about Yes just infuriates many."--bob2000
Jeremy S.
CountV/John T <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>On 12/30/00 9:56 AM, Tom O'Toole <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> uploaded to the
>Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>
>> So I'm in the local comic shop, picking up whatever's turned up this week,
>> and on a whim I add to the pile a copy of Killraven #1. Imagine my surprise
>> to see, on page 6, a very recognisable representation of the cover of Close
>> To The Edge. Are there any other nods to Yes in this medium? Anyone else
>> out there still read comic books?
>
>Yes, but not Marvel.
>
>Eightball, Stray Bullets and Bacchus still hold my attention. I still miss
>the heyday of Hate, Yummy Fur, Sandman, Hellblazer,
I have heard a lot of good things about Hellblazer. The new writer, Brian
Azzarrello (sp?) has really shaped up the book from what I hear.
> Deadboy, From Hell, The
>Shadow (the post-Chaykin issues were classics) and others. Comics seem to
>have, except maybe for DC's Vertigo line, pretty much reverted to the state
>they were in before the black-and-white self-publishing boom in the
>Eighties. There are still a few quality titles out there
Well, let's face it, this was the way comics always were. Lots of
mediocre titles, some good, and a few great ones, just like in music, or
any other art form.
The hope by some creators is that movies like "The X-Men",
"Unbreakable" (both good stuff, IMO) as well as upcoming movies like
the Spider-Man movie, or Moore's work "From Hell" (which looks real
interesting), the will help draw new clients into the comics fold. Too
bad Marvel never really took advantage of the X-Men movie and its
accessibility.
> , but that many of
>the instigators of quality writing like Alan Moore
Still writing, actually doing a line called "America's Best Comics" for
Wildstorm, an imprint of (believe it or not) DC comics. He has four
different titles he does there, my personal favorite is "Top 10," which
is sort of NYPD Blue/Law & Order crossed with superheroes. Of those I
might suggest "Promethea", John, which has more of a mystical story to it,
letting Moore's beliefs in magic really shine.
>Frank Miller
Miller has returned to DC. He's doing a sequel to "The Dark Knight
Returns" storyline. Whether this will be any good is anyone's
guess. People are hyping this up a lot. I think it picks up a few years
after "The Dark Knight Falls."
> and Neil Gaiman seem to have moved on to other media
Neil is still doing comics, but not a regular monthly like Sandman. I
have heard rumors he is planning on writing & directing a Sandman movie.
There's a recent Superman/Green Lantern story he did, which was not up to
his par, IMO.
It's interesting that a lot of the big stars from the late 80s & early 90s
are coming back from their independent work to do for hire stuff (which
makes other creators uneasy).
>thing seem to be a bit less adventurous
Well, this I have to disagree upon. There are a number of writers who
have emerged just in the last few years that are doing marvelous
work: Brian Michael Bendis (Torso, Powers), J. Michael Straczynski (yes,
of Babylon 5 fame) is writing two series and is going to be doing
Spider-Man in 2001, Kevin Smith (Daredevil and soon to revive Green
Arrow), Kurt Busiek. Heck, even Scott McCloud just did an online Zot
comic which was great stuff.
Marvel & DC are both trying to attract as many big-name writers as
possible. Hoping that the name & the stories they do write will bring
people back. Hey, there's a novel idea: write good stories and the people
will come back.
>and even Cerebus is coming to a close after three decades.
You know, there really hasn't been a lot of press about this, which kinda
surprised me. Granted, Sim has burned a lot of bridges behind him, but
still.
>Maybe a new boom will come. One can only hope.
The new boom is right on the horizon. The biggest problem is what's going
to be sold in the markets. Time magazine did a top 10 of best graphic
novels, and (surprise) I don't think there was a single superhero-related
one on there (unless you count Alan Moore's stuff). THe nonsuperhero
stuff needs to be promoted more as well
--Jeremy
Stephen Bruun
news:92lgjg$2...@holmes.umd.edu...
> No, it _is_ the Yes _CttE_ album. The title is right on the top of the
> album drawn in the picture.
Ah! My mistake. My mistaken impression was that a comic panel showed the
same color pattern, which an overzealous eye interpreted as a "reference,"
kind of like the post a few months back in which a listener mistakenly
thought he heard a reference to Yes in Jethro Tull's "Wond'ring Aloud."
CountV/John T
Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
> I have heard a lot of good things about Hellblazer. The new writer, Brian
> Azzarrello (sp?) has really shaped up the book from what I hear.
Haven't checked it out in years.
> Well, let's face it, this was the way comics always were. Lots of
> mediocre titles, some good, and a few great ones, just like in music, or
> any other art form.
Well, yes, but whenever I do go to the comic store, it sems to be primarily
super heroes and Manga. It wasn't nearly this bad back in the late
eighties/early nineties.
>
> The hope by some creators is that movies like "The X-Men",
> "Unbreakable" (both good stuff, IMO) as well as upcoming movies like
> the Spider-Man movie, or Moore's work "From Hell" (which looks real
> interesting), the will help draw new clients into the comics fold.
You almost gave away the surprise ending to Unbreakable there (which, BTW, I
figured out from the trailers alone - well, that, and the snippet of info
that Samuel Jackson is a comic store clerk). But I don't think that even
though, from all accounts the X-Men movie wasn't bad, it will attract many
new readers. First of all, reading comics is a learned skill, and if you
haven't ever done it, or it's been a while, it's not that easy to get into
that sort of narrative. Secondly, while books like X-Men may have been, at
one time, a notch above the others of the genre, that's still *way* below
what anyone who reads, like, books would be expecting.
> Too bad Marvel never really took advantage of the X-Men movie and its
> accessibility.
Marvel really has little experience of tapping an adult audience, except the
part of it that's grown up with them.
>
>> , but that many of the instigators of quality writing like Alan Moore
>
> Still writing, actually doing a line called "America's Best Comics" for
> Wildstorm, an imprint of (believe it or not) DC comics.
Ah, glad to see that (and I'm not surprised he's working with DC again -
much of his best work was for them).
> Of those I might suggest "Promethea", John, which has more of a mystical story
> to it, letting Moore's beliefs in magic really shine.
Will check. Thanks for the tip.
>
>> Frank Miller
>
> Miller has returned to DC. He's doing a sequel to "The Dark Knight
> Returns" storyline. Whether this will be any good is anyone's
> guess. People are hyping this up a lot. I think it picks up a few years
> after "The Dark Knight Falls."
With Batman, what, 85?
I suspect it might end up being Tubular Bells II, unfortunately.
What I'd like to see is him taking a crack at getting Batman: Year Two
right. I mean, Year One was outstanding, but whoever it was that took over
ater that, just turned it right back into the same hackneyed BatBook that's
been done a thousand times before.
> It's interesting that a lot of the big stars from the late 80s & early 90s
> are coming back from their independent work to do for hire stuff (which
> makes other creators uneasy).
I guess it's time to head back to the comic store. Do you recommend any
particular ones in the greater DC area, BTW? Barbarian Books in Wheaton is
such a mess of a place, and geared entirely to various shades of FANBOY that
it's hard to find the quality stuff in the droves of derivatives, Another
Universe in G'town is OK, if a little geared to Manga and the comics store
on King St. in Alexandria is another fanboy haven, with nary an adult comic
in sight (not in the sense of 'with naked ladies', which they *do* have).
>
>> thing seem to be a bit less adventurous
>
> J. Michael Straczynski (yes, of Babylon 5 fame) is writing two series and is
> going to be doing Spider-Man in 2001
Much as I liked B5, I don't know if I'm even remotely excited about that.
Spidey always struck me as being too self-consciously an 'issue' comic
whenever it andered outside genre boundaries. I realise that it was
revolutionary for its time, but that was over thirty years ago.
> Kevin Smith (Daredevil and soon to revive Green Arrow)
Well, you know, Miller did good work with Daredevil and especially the
Elektra miniseries was great, but just like Swamp Thing was entirely tapped
out once Moore had wringed every possible drop of sap from it, I can't see
where you would take it from there.
Even so - these are all pretty straight genre comics you're talking about.
What I mean by adventurous is Daniel Clowes, The Hernandez Brothers, Eddie
Campbell, Dave Sim, Kyle Baker, Bill Sinkiewicz and others (Eddie Current
and Plastic Forks - who was that guy?) who use comics to tell a story that
could not be told in any other way, not to *again* try to redefine super
heroes.
>
> Marvel & DC are both trying to attract as many big-name writers as
> possible. Hoping that the name & the stories they do write will bring
> people back. Hey, there's a novel idea: write good stories and the people
> will come back.
I hope it works, because hopefully it will let these good writers explore
other fields.
>
>> and even Cerebus is coming to a close after three decades.
>
> You know, there really hasn't been a lot of press about this, which kinda
> surprised me. Granted, Sim has burned a lot of bridges behind him, but
> still.
You're not kidding. Also, I think a lot of people are, like me, simply
waiting for the phone books these days, and will pick 'em all up when the
series is over.
>> Maybe a new boom will come. One can only hope.
>
> The new boom is right on the horizon. The biggest problem is what's going
> to be sold in the markets. Time magazine did a top 10 of best graphic
> novels, and (surprise) I don't think there was a single superhero-related
> one on there (unless you count Alan Moore's stuff). THe nonsuperhero
> stuff needs to be promoted more as well
It needs to be promoted as something completely *different* from the super
hero stuff. It's rare to see one form of media be so completely engulfed by
one genre - it's as if movies were almost *all* westerns and books were
almost *all* court room dramas - a completely absurd (and unnecessary)
situation.
John Hopkins
I have this vague memory that Sim started out with the idea that there would
be x-number of Cerebus issues ('300' comes to mind, but whatever), and no
more.
And he did have quite an attitude. He responded to someone in the letters
column once with "Why don't you go back to Super Villain Team-Up, asshole."
(Hey, when I was 14 I thought SVTU was pretty cool.....)
Yers,
/John
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Robert Dubnicka
CountV/John T wrote:
>
> On 12/30/00 9:56 AM, Tom O'Toole <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> uploaded to the
> Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>
> > So I'm in the local comic shop, picking up whatever's turned up this week,
> > and on a whim I add to the pile a copy of Killraven #1. Imagine my surprise
> > to see, on page 6, a very recognisable representation of the cover of Close
> > To The Edge. Are there any other nods to Yes in this medium? Anyone else
> > out there still read comic books?
>
> Yes, but not Marvel.
>
> Eightball, Stray Bullets and Bacchus still hold my attention. I still miss
> the heyday of Hate, Yummy Fur, Sandman, Hellblazer, Deadboy, From Hell, The
> Shadow (the post-Chaykin issues were classics) and others. Comics seem to
> have, except maybe for DC's Vertigo line, pretty much reverted to the state
> they were in before the black-and-white self-publishing boom in the
> Eighties. There are still a few quality titles out there, but that many of
> the instigators of quality writing like Alan Moore, Frank Miller and Neil
> Gaiman seem to have moved on to other media, thing seem to be a bit less
> adventurous and even Cerebus is coming to a close after three decades.
>
Alan Moore is regularly writing for the "America's Best Comics" branch
of DC that was absorbed with a bunch of stuff from part of Image.
Frank Miller is reportedly working on a new Dark Knight series, and has
plans to do a comic on the life of Jesus.
Cerebus is 39 issues away from Dave Sim's projected 300 issue run.
> Maybe a new boom will come. One can only hope.
We'll see. I've cut back on the titles I buy, because most of them just
end up sitting in an "unread" box. I've got unread runs stretching back
three years or more.
Robert Dubnicka
CountV/John T wrote:
>
> On 12/30/00 3:53 PM, Jeremy S. <jere...@csc.umd.edu> uploaded to the
> Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>
> > I have heard a lot of good things about Hellblazer. The new writer, Brian
> > Azzarrello (sp?) has really shaped up the book from what I hear.
>
> Haven't checked it out in years.
>
> > Well, let's face it, this was the way comics always were. Lots of
> > mediocre titles, some good, and a few great ones, just like in music, or
> > any other art form.
>
> Well, yes, but whenever I do go to the comic store, it sems to be primarily
> super heroes and Manga. It wasn't nearly this bad back in the late
> eighties/early nineties.
> >
> > The hope by some creators is that movies like "The X-Men",
> > "Unbreakable" (both good stuff, IMO) as well as upcoming movies like
> > the Spider-Man movie, or Moore's work "From Hell" (which looks real
> > interesting), the will help draw new clients into the comics fold.
>
> You almost gave away the surprise ending to Unbreakable there (which, BTW, I
> figured out from the trailers alone - well, that, and the snippet of info
> that Samuel Jackson is a comic store clerk). But I don't think that even
> though, from all accounts the X-Men movie wasn't bad, it will attract many
> new readers.
It didn't. Caused some minor head rolling at Marvel.
>First of all, reading comics is a learned skill, and if you
> haven't ever done it, or it's been a while, it's not that easy to get into
> that sort of narrative. Secondly, while books like X-Men may have been, at
> one time, a notch above the others of the genre, that's still *way* below
> what anyone who reads, like, books would be expecting.
Plus, when I quit reading the X-Men before Claremont was let go a few
years ago, it had become pretty impenetrable stuff (and I had been
following along from about midpoint in the Claremont/Byrne run). It
reportedly got even worse with a proliferation of associated titles and
uneven writing.
>
> > Too bad Marvel never really took advantage of the X-Men movie and its
> > accessibility.
>
> Marvel really has little experience of tapping an adult audience, except the
> part of it that's grown up with them.
My wife thought I'd want to see the X-Men movie when it came out. The
thought never crossed my mind - and I've been collecting comics for -
well, let's just say "too long".
> >
> >> , but that many of the instigators of quality writing like Alan Moore
> >
> > Still writing, actually doing a line called "America's Best Comics" for
> > Wildstorm, an imprint of (believe it or not) DC comics.
>
> Ah, glad to see that (and I'm not surprised he's working with DC again -
> much of his best work was for them).
Well, technically he's not. The sailing hasn't been quite so smooth
with Wildstorm acting as an intermediary between DC and Moore.
<remainder snipped>
CountV/John T
for all the world to see, the following:
>
> "Jeremy S." <jere...@csc.umd.edu> wrote in message
> news:92li09$3...@holmes.umd.edu...
>> In article <B673784B.E33A%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
>> CountV/John T <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>
>>> and even Cerebus is coming to a close after three decades.
>>
>> You know, there really hasn't been a lot of press about this, which kinda
>> surprised me. Granted, Sim has burned a lot of bridges behind him, but
>> still.
>
> I have this vague memory that Sim started out with the idea that there would
> be x-number of Cerebus issues ('300' comes to mind, but whatever), and no
> more.
The number is correct.
>
> And he did have quite an attitude. He responded to someone in the letters
> column once with "Why don't you go back to Super Villain Team-Up, asshole."
As well he should, IMNHO.
Joe Pearson
Brian Michael Bendis - Has been getting a lot of press for the Spider-Man
thing, but skip that and pick up the trade of "Powers". Bendis has an
absolute flair for pacing and dialogue.
Alan Moore - Often mentioned in this thread, Moore is still one of the
kings. Of his America's Best work, I think "Promethea" is the tops. "Tom
Strong" is pretty entertaining, too.
Warren Ellis - His "Authority" is an entertaining re-creation of the whole
"supergroup" thing. Look for the "Relentless" or "Under New Management"
trades.
Garth Ennis - Love him or hate him, most people have no middle ground for
the creator of Preacher. He cracks me up.
J. Michael Straczynski - Best known for Babylon 5 and his new "Rising Stars"
comic, he recently started a fairly offbeat Steven King-like series called
"Midnight Nation".
Just to prove that I didn't drop by the ng by mistake, PFM is in the CD
player right now. When do tickets go on sale for Nearfest?
Jeremy S.
CountV/John T <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>On 12/30/00 3:53 PM, Jeremy S. <jere...@csc.umd.edu> uploaded to the
>Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>
>> I have heard a lot of good things about Hellblazer. The new writer, Brian
>> Azzarrello (sp?) has really shaped up the book from what I hear.
>
>Haven't checked it out in years.
I never really read Hellblazer. With so many issues gone by, I don't know
if I could ever catch up. Still, it's now the big flagship of Vertigo
comics.
>> Well, let's face it, this was the way comics always were. Lots of
>> mediocre titles, some good, and a few great ones, just like in music, or
>> any other art form.
>
>Well, yes, but whenever I do go to the comic store, it sems to be primarily
>super heroes and Manga. It wasn't nearly this bad back in the late
>eighties/early nineties.
Well, the store I go to in Laurel has an adult section in the back,
but most of the front section is superhero fare. Of course, with the way
the government is worried about violence in film, it would be difficult to
put, say, "Sin City" with all the S-Superhero fare.
>> The hope by some creators is that movies like "The X-Men",
>> "Unbreakable" (both good stuff, IMO) as well as upcoming movies like
>> the Spider-Man movie, or Moore's work "From Hell" (which looks real
>> interesting), the will help draw new clients into the comics fold.
> But I don't think that even
>though, from all accounts the X-Men movie wasn't bad, it will attract many
>new readers. First of all, reading comics is a learned skill, and if you
>haven't ever done it, or it's been a while, it's not that easy to get into
>that sort of narrative.
It could have been real simple to tap in the audience. Just produce a
comic that tapped into the success of the movie, and give away free issues
at the theater. Comic book stores had issues of X-Men which said "from
the Hit Movie!" on them. But there is a good 300 issues of back-continuity
that it's impossible to just jump in.
Marvel is trying to start again with square one in their new line-up
"Ultimate Marvel."
>Secondly, while books like X-Men may have been, at
>one time, a notch above the others of the genre, that's still *way* below
>what anyone who reads, like, books would be expecting.
Well that goes back to the _writing_ aspect I mentioned earlier.
>> Too bad Marvel never really took advantage of the X-Men movie and its
>> accessibility.
>
>Marvel really has little experience of tapping an adult audience, except the
>part of it that's grown up with them.
They tried a more adult style with some horror comics and the concept of
"Marvel Edge," but (from what I understand) their parent company Toy Biz
wanted to entice more kids to comics and therefore their toys.
>>> , but that many of the instigators of quality writing like Alan Moore
>>
>> Still writing, actually doing a line called "America's Best Comics" for
>> Wildstorm, an imprint of (believe it or not) DC comics.
>
>Ah, glad to see that (and I'm not surprised he's working with DC again -
>much of his best work was for them).
I wasn't implying he was working for Marvel, it just seemed there was so
much animosity between the two they'd never make amends. Still, their
relationship is shaky at best. Because DC refused to publish a story of
his, he pulled the plug on the Watchmen 15th Anniversary celebration DC
was planning/
>> Of those I might suggest "Promethea", John, which has more of a mystical story
>> to it, letting Moore's beliefs in magic really shine.
>
>Will check. Thanks for the tip.
>>
>>> Frank Miller
>>
>> Miller has returned to DC. He's doing a sequel to "The Dark Knight
>> Returns" storyline. Whether this will be any good is anyone's
>> guess. People are hyping this up a lot. I think it picks up a few years
>> after "The Dark Knight Falls."
>
>With Batman, what, 85?
>
>I suspect it might end up being Tubular Bells II, unfortunately.
Unfortunately, I'm worried about it the same way. But still, Miller's
second work on Daredevil (when he did the "Born Again" story) probably
wasn't thought to be as good as his earlier stuff, but it does hold up.
>> It's interesting that a lot of the big stars from the late 80s & early 90s
>> are coming back from their independent work to do for hire stuff (which
>> makes other creators uneasy).
>
>I guess it's time to head back to the comic store. Do you recommend any
>particular ones in the greater DC area, BTW?
The key isn't really the store as much. What you need to do is get to a
store that will order stuff directly _for_ you. I get the big-a##
Previews Catalog and order from that and give the order to my store.
They're then happy to get what I ask for.
>>> thing seem to be a bit less adventurous
>>
>> J. Michael Straczynski (yes, of Babylon 5 fame) is writing two series and is
>> going to be doing Spider-Man in 2001
>
>Much as I liked B5, I don't know if I'm even remotely excited about that.
>Spidey always struck me as being too self-consciously an 'issue' comic
>whenever it andered outside genre boundaries. I realise that it was
>revolutionary for its time, but that was over thirty years ago.
I'd suggest "Midnight Nation," actually, of his works. A cop gets his
soul "stolen" and he goes across the country to get it back (he has a year
to do so), being only able to see and be seen by the people that society
has forgotten.
>Even so - these are all pretty straight genre comics you're talking about.
>What I mean by adventurous is Daniel Clowes, The Hernandez Brothers, Eddie
>Campbell, Dave Sim, Kyle Baker, Bill Sinkiewicz and others (Eddie Current
>and Plastic Forks - who was that guy?) who use comics to tell a story that
>could not be told in any other way, not to *again* try to redefine super
>heroes.
I agree, comic book stores need to push these type of stories more. For
every comic of, say, "Ultimate Spider-Man" they sell, they can push other
stuff the writer Brian Michael Bendis has done (like Torso or Jinx). I
use BMB because I have really loved his work.
Scott McCloud has talked about the next level of comics- putting them on
the net. I am unsure if that will really happen, as I think something can
be lost in the transition. But the online stuff he has done is food for
thought, at www.scottmccloud.com.
>>> and even Cerebus is coming to a close after three decades.
>>
>> You know, there really hasn't been a lot of press about this, which kinda
>> surprised me. Granted, Sim has burned a lot of bridges behind him, but
>> still.
>
>You're not kidding. Also, I think a lot of people are, like me, simply
>waiting for the phone books these days, and will pick 'em all up when the
>series is over.
Perhaps. I think in the comics field he is still slightly labeled with
the "M" word. I'll be interested to see what happens in two years when
it's almost over.
>It needs to be promoted as something completely *different* from the super
>hero stuff. It's rare to see one form of media be so completely engulfed by
>one genre - it's as if movies were almost *all* westerns and books were
>almost *all* court room dramas - a completely absurd (and unnecessary)
>situation.
Japan does a lot of this in animated films (and some graphic
novels). They're not just happy little cutesy stories. I'm not exactly a
huge fan of anime, but at least someone "gets it."
--Jeremy
ObYes: Yes was supposed to have a comic come out around the time of
_Talk_, but plans fell through. It was more of a "Yes saves the
world" type, but if they really tried to track Yes' history in comic form,
I'd suspect it'd take at least 12 issues or so...
Jeremy S.
Joe Pearson <pear...@iquest.net> wrote:
>My strongest recommendations right now are for particular writers:
>
>Brian Michael Bendis - Has been getting a lot of press for the Spider-Man
>thing, but skip that and pick up the trade of "Powers". Bendis has an
>absolute flair for pacing and dialogue.
I loved his stuff on "Sam & Twitch." Too bad he didn't stay on. Powers
is a cross between superheroes and NYPD Blue, where the cops have no
powers but solve crimes about murdered heroes. It's drawn like it comes
from the recent Batman cartoons stuff.
I keep looking for "Torso," the story of Eliot Ness & his investigation of
America's first serial killer in Cleveland. The collection of all the
issues is under one cover. I've heard lots of good stuff about his
"Jinx" series.
>Alan Moore - Often mentioned in this thread, Moore is still one of the
>kings. Of his America's Best work, I think "Promethea" is the tops. "Tom
>Strong" is pretty entertaining, too.
Unlike "Powers," "Top 10" has _everyone_ with super powers. I like Gene
Ha's inside joke pictures. Really great details on this stuff.
>Warren Ellis - His "Authority" is an entertaining re-creation of the whole
>"supergroup" thing. Look for the "Relentless" or "Under New Management"
>trades.
He was doing a column for Comic Book Resources which was rather insightful
on the state of comics.
>Garth Ennis - Love him or hate him, most people have no middle ground for
>the creator of Preacher. He cracks me up.
I just started reading his "Hitman" stuff, which I enjoyed. But I never
got any of "Preacher" which I suppose I'll have to try and dig up
somewhere.
>J. Michael Straczynski - Best known for Babylon 5 and his new "Rising Stars"
>comic, he recently started a fairly offbeat Steven King-like series called
>"Midnight Nation".
Yup, both are good. I've been with "RS" since the beginning, but I'm
starting to be more and more intrigued by "Midnight Nation."
--Jeremy
CountV/John T
Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
> Scott McCloud has talked about the next level of comics- putting them on
> the net. I am unsure if that will really happen, as I think something can
> be lost in the transition. But the online stuff he has done is food for
> thought, at www.scottmccloud.com.
Check out http://www.damnationgambit.com/ and their various affiliates.
Abby's Menagerie is a very low-key, realistic piece of work that seems quite
good from what I've seen of it. The Crater Kid is cute (and exceptionally
well illustrated). The Body and BuzzBoy are a bit more standard, but
especially the first two have a really interesting way of presenting their
comics, with slick presentation and some slight animation (speech bubbles),
but not enough to make them bandwidth hogs. The way The Crater Kid loads the
next strip while you're reading one is another one of those small
innovations that make online comics a viable idea.
VidEOSMM
through the internet, added extensively to my collection. I'm honing in on just
Silver Age key issues at this point ... the last thing I picked up was a Hulk
#1.
I buy a lot of comics, and read most of them, eventually. 'Though am buying far
fewer these days. I've transformed from an art junkie to a story junkie.
These past few days I read what issues I had of "Orion" by Walt Simonson (DC),
and very much like Warren Ellis's work on "Planetary". I buy Spider-Girl simply
because in its charm it is most like the comics of my youth. I actually do like
the Tomb Raider _stories_ (seriously), having never figured out the games. Most
of the others seem like candy... Darkness (was good, no more), Witchblade...
some of the Marvel Knights books are nice. I avoid all "X" books, though I do
treasure my original copies of "Giant Size #1" as well as 94 or whatever
through 120 or so.
Recently, I've drifted away from Marvel and have begun appreciating collected
comics "Kingdom Come", "Dark Night" etc. I'd like to get a story for my money.
This is the problem, perhaps, with comics, is that first with video games, and
now with the internet, kids can stay involved in something a lot longer for
less money/minute of entertainment. $2-3 a comic? Only if you're cutting lawns
for $100 or something.... (!) if you are a teenager.
I'll go back to read the longer posts on this thread another day. BTW,
"SpiderMan" is the first "modern" PlayStation game I could a) figure out and b)
enjoy.
Bill
Jeremy S.
VidEOSMM <vide...@aol.com> wrote:
>I'm presuming that it is common knowledge that a Yes comic book was planned
>around the time of Talk. Dark Horse comics was running a series featuring a
>different band each issue. There was one claim on these pages that someone
>actually saw the artwork..... I don't doubt it... as comics are in production
>months in advance, it is not infrequent that a good part or all of the work is
>done on a book and then the decision is made "not to publish"........ I'd love
>to see those pages, more for curiosity than anything else.
Then there were those abyssmal "Rock 'N Roll" Comics that came out in the
late 80s. I read the Rush one, which was very poorly drawn. I have the
Queen one which isn't any better, but I did give my wife an "Eric
Clapton" one which isn't too bad.
--Jeremy
VidEOSMM
around the time of Talk. Dark Horse comics was running a series featuring a
different band each issue. There was one claim on these pages that someone
actually saw the artwork..... I don't doubt it... as comics are in production
months in advance, it is not infrequent that a good part or all of the work is
done on a book and then the decision is made "not to publish"........ I'd love
to see those pages, more for curiosity than anything else.
Bill
CountV/John T
Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>> Garth Ennis - Love him or hate him, most people have no middle ground for
>> the creator of Preacher. He cracks me up.
>
> I just started reading his "Hitman" stuff, which I enjoyed. But I never
> got any of "Preacher" which I suppose I'll have to try and dig up
> somewhere.
I found Preacher to be...boring. I think it hits home with some in that it
is a bit over-the-top and 'blasphemous', but I didn't find the writing
particularly compelling (or even original) at all.
CountV/John T
all the world to see, the following:
> I'm presuming that it is common knowledge that a Yes comic book was planned
Dark Horse? Are you sure?
I remember some smaller independent publisher releasing books based on bands
like Guns'N'Roses at about that time.
If the planned Yes comic was even *half* as awful as those, they were very
prudent to pull the plug on it.
Joe Pearson
The "Torso" trade is supposed to be out soon.
I read "Jinx" and have mixed feelings. Some plot elements will remind you
of "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly". The original version of the trade is
out of print, but there is a new one in the works.
For Bendis info, check out www.jinxworld.com
Regarding "Midnight Nation", I didn't get around to reading them until I had
already picked up the first three. Could turn out to be pretty good.
Later.
Reelayer
else
> out there still read comic books?
>
> Tom
I do! :-)(occasionally, at least)
This is a different medium, but I did see the Relayer album appear in
a cartoon episode of Superman.There was some character that had visible
thought balloons pop up over his head everytime he said something, and
when he replied "Yes?" the Relayer album appeared ;-D
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Razik Shaikh
2000AD
about Yes. The gag went sort of like this..... these goup of time travellers were
at a concert,
and Steve Howe was playing (definatly him from the pic) and then these time
travelers went
forward in time saved the universe and appered in another concert and Steve was
apparently playing the same solo..... can't remember the whole details, but Yes was
definatly
quoted.
CountV/John T wrote:
--
Jeremy S.
Reelayer <reel...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <92kt2f$oi8$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Tom O'Toole" <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> Are there any other nods to Yes in this medium? Anyone
>> else out there still read comic books?
>>
>
> This is a different medium, but I did see the Relayer album appear in
>a cartoon episode of Superman.There was some character that had visible
>thought balloons pop up over his head everytime he said something, and
>when he replied "Yes?" the Relayer album appeared ;-D
[hyper-geek mode on]
You're referring to the appearance of Mr. Mxyzptlk (ah geez, I know this
spelling is wrong....) in the Superman cartoon. He was showing how to
pronounce his name, and said the word "Yes," where the _Relayer_ album
cover appearred, althoguh the Yes was spelled "Yez," I think, so as to not
incur any problems with Yes.
The voice was done by Gilbert Gottfried which, IMO, was a very good match.
[hyper-geek mode off]
--Jeremy
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
CountV/John T <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>On 12/30/00 9:56 AM, Tom O'Toole <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> uploaded to the
>Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>
Same here, or at least I used to collect them. SSOC was the only Marvel
thing I'd buy for a long time. Others: a complete early run of Judge
Dredd; the complete Pacific runs of Elric, Hawkmoon and Count Brass;
Sabre; NormalMan; The Shadow; Milk & Cheese (Autographed! Yay! Boy
does that guy not like Olias though...he's really into ska and
actually mentions Olias in a somewhat derogatory way in one of the
issues); a two-issue printing of some horrible Led Zeppelin comic;
a few issues of Elfquest, a few issues of A Distant Soil; and a
dual-issue printing of a parody of Elfquest and Star Trek called
(amazingly enough) Elftrek. Fuzzy man likes the Jade Man kung fu
comics, of course.
>Maybe a new boom will come. One can only hope.
Nooooo!! A woman is on a budget, dang it! :)
--
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so you can tell your friend halfway across the | taunt --------P===\==/
country which HTML hex code to use for the | happy fun /_\__
color of your wedding dress." -- Me | fencer! _\ \
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
>In article <B673CA7F.E3CB%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
>
>ObYes: Yes was supposed to have a comic come out around the time of
>_Talk_, but plans fell through. It was more of a "Yes saves the
>world" type, but if they really tried to track Yes' history in comic form,
>I'd suspect it'd take at least 12 issues or so...
Aiiiieee! If the Led Zeppelin thing I have is any indication,it would
have been really, really, really, REALLY bad. About the only way they'd
be able to save it would have been to make at least part of it funny.
To give you an indication of how bad it could be, imagine that Led
Zeppelin has been magically transported to another world where only
THEY can hit the magic notes (which are coincidentally in Stairway
to Heaven) which will save the universe. I am not making this up, it
really is the plot of this double issue I have. Horribly drawn, too.
Jeremy S.
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com> wrote:
>In article <B673784B.E33A%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
>CountV/John T <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>>On 12/30/00 9:56 AM, Tom O'Toole <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> uploaded to the
>>Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>>
>>Yes, but not Marvel.
>
>Same here, or at least I used to collect them. SSOC was the only Marvel
>thing I'd buy for a long time.
I'm sure it will come to me, but "SSOC"?
--Jeremy
Len Richards
jere...@csc.umd.edu (Jeremy S.) who made this post:
<personally I go for Ambush Bug.>
--
GreyWiz<snail thingy>Rocketmail<period>com.
Addy munge frequently changes - just remove the animal.
VidEOSMM
on the titles I buy, because most of them just
end up sitting in an "unread" box. I've got unread runs stretching back
three years or more.
and I thought I let them stack up for a few months....I've also bought some
runs off of ebay and various things here and there that lie unread... made a
good dent around Christmas, though...
Bill
VidEOSMM
nd then these time
travelers went
forward in time saved the universe and appered in another concert and Steve was
apparently playing the same solo....
is this serious or a joke? Either way... very funny...
I suppose this one can be looked up
Bill
Jeremy S.
It's interesting. I was reading a column in a comic-book web-site, where
Warren Ellis was writing about this, sort of. The fact that there are
people that buy the comics but don't read them, letting them pile up to
the point where they don't know why they buy them any more. I try to read
mine the same week I buy them. If I buy a bunch from a convention it
takes longer (or if I want to reread a whole storyline), but I do try.
I did take one of my Wed. purchases up to NJ during Xmas and read them
there, but I usually leave them at home.
--Jeremy
Jeremy S.
Len Richards <GreyWiz...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>I heard the alt.music.yes newsgroup today, Oh boy, about
>jere...@csc.umd.edu (Jeremy S.) who made this post:
>>In article <92vne9$9gd$1...@cedar.ggn.net>,
>>She Devil With A Rubber Chicken <reds...@liii.com> wrote:
>>>In article <B673784B.E33A%countRE...@m-ideas.com>,
>>>CountV/John T <countRE...@m-ideas.com> wrote:
>>>>On 12/30/00 9:56 AM, Tom O'Toole <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> uploaded to the
>>>>Usenet, for all the world to see, the following:
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but not Marvel.
>>>
>>>Same here, or at least I used to collect them. SSOC was the only Marvel
>>>thing I'd buy for a long time.
>>
>>I'm sure it will come to me, but "SSOC"?
>>
>Savage Sword Of Conan.
Oh, of course.
><personally I go for Ambush Bug.>
Now there's a character we haven't seen in a while. Wonder if he'll ever
make a comeback... :P
BTW, whatever happened to Keith Geffen?
--Jeremy
Robert Seeberger
"Steven Sullivan" <sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote in message
news:Ajr36.1987$hm.1...@grover.nit.gwu.edu...
> Tom O'Toole <tom.o...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> : So I'm in the local comic shop, picking up whatever's turned up this
week,
> : and on a whim I add to the pile a copy of Killraven #1. Imagine my
surprise
> : to see, on page 6, a very recognisable representation of the cover of
Close
> : To The Edge. Are there any other nods to Yes in this medium? Anyone
else
> : out there still read comic books?
>
> Peep Show is the only one I still buy.
>
Imagine the surprise of finding this gem. As if it would ever happen.
The New Gods
Genre: Fantasy/Animation/Superhero.
Studio: Warner Brothers.
Production Company: Unknown.
Project Phase: Development Hell.
Whose Voices Are In It: No one confirmed as yet.
Who's Making It: Mike Mignola (Conceptual Artist); Mark Evanier (Creative
Consultant); based on the characters created by Jack Kirby, appearing in DC
Comics.
What Type of Animation: Unknown.
Premise: From the ashes of the Old Gods they came, two factions of powerful
beings locked in an eternal struggle for dominance. Highfather leads the
forces of good, the denizens of New Genesis. Darkseid lords over the forces
of evil, who call Apokolips their home. They have traded one to the other a
son in order to stave off the war between them...but the plotting and
battles continue...
Release Date: Unknown.
Comments: Just in case you were wondering, this one has no relation to the
1997 James Boyd film of the same name.
Rumors: Unknown.
Scoop Feedback:
[Page draft submitted by Widgett, who first thing in the morning looks like
Orion at his ugliest.]
August 31, 1999... This one has been brought back to life more times than
Darkseid himself. Comics2Film reported back toward the first part of 1998
that it was moving forward. Evanier reported that Warner Brothers had
created some kick ass artwork, which was even witnessed by a spy of Harry
Knowles while he was creeping about Warner Feature Animation. Evanier came
back this year and stated Mike Mignola was handling some design work for it,
but he was uncertain of its status.
Now, there have been many things mentioned as having been done for this
film, everything from the aforementioned artwork, to a conceptual poster,
and even a script. So we're wondering why the heck someone hasn't snuck us a
copy of any of the above. You know your tasks. [Originally appeared in
Comics2Film, Ain't It Cool News, with thanks to The Source's New Gods FAQ;
reported by Widgett.]
|
Xponent
rob
Yeah, and I can't wait for the day when those creationists are *finally
proven wrong*.
Christ.
VidEOSMM
most of the first run of Orion through 9. Great. Witchblade Destiny's Child,
all three issues in the last three days, well, the story and art sucked, but
other than that it was good.
I think most writers don't know how to write a serial story.... I'd rather sit
down and have a run these days.
Again, the comics purchases are waning these days.
Bill
VidEOSMM
get to my store so infrequently that I'm really tempted just to use an online
service and supplement it. Does anyone here have any experience with that?
Bill
Jeremy S.
I don't know, has New Gods _ever_ sold well? From what I've read most of
the characters are not that interesting, except for maybe Darkseid, Orion,
and Mr. Miracle.
>Anyway, so how was that Killraven comic?
It was pretty good. I think it could have been a real good jumping-on
point for people who had never heard of the character (I knew of him only
from reading a Marvel Team-Up where Spider-Man was bouncing all about
through time).
On the other hand I don't know if Lisner could have done a monthly comic
book about the character. The story & art were great, but I don't know
how many stories of this ilk he could have put together.
> I
>get to my store so infrequently that I'm really tempted just to use an online
>service and supplement it. Does anyone here have any experience with that?
I do go to my comics store once a week; it's what makes Wednedsys more
enjoyable for me than for others at my school as most people see it as
just the middle of the week.
--Jeremy
Robert Seeberger
"Jeremy S." <jere...@csc.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:939sd1$8...@holmes.umd.edu...
> In article <20010106203653...@ng-df1.aol.com>,
> VidEOSMM <vide...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Animated New Gods would be great.
>
> I don't know, has New Gods _ever_ sold well? From what I've read most of
> the characters are not that interesting, except for maybe Darkseid, Orion,
> and Mr. Miracle.
New Gods initially did pretty well as it was a Jack Kirby creation and
during the 70s Kirby was "god" for many comic readers. But eventually
readership fell off after the newness rubbed off.
The titles I recall off the top of my head from this Kirby romp were New
Gods, Mr Miracle, and Forever People. It seems like there was another title,
but I dont recall it at the moment. Sully?
>
> >Anyway, so how was that Killraven comic?
>
> It was pretty good. I think it could have been a real good jumping-on
> point for people who had never heard of the character (I knew of him only
> from reading a Marvel Team-Up where Spider-Man was bouncing all about
> through time).
I bought the original series as they came out. I think it was Tales to
Astonish or one of the similar Marvel mags.
I lost all my comics (about 30 years worth) at the onset of my divorce, so
all I have to rely on is memory. (I had to abandon them in an apartment
parking lot. I had to move quickly and had no place to keep them. Dont that
suck!)
I might still have the Death of Captain Marvel and Watchmen stored somewhere
if I was smart and quick.
>
> On the other hand I don't know if Lisner could have done a monthly comic
> book about the character. The story & art were great, but I don't know
> how many stories of this ilk he could have put together.
The original story line kinda tapped out all there was to say. Killraven is
pretty much dead as a usefull creation.
>
> > I
> >get to my store so infrequently that I'm really tempted just to use an
online
> >service and supplement it. Does anyone here have any experience with
that?
>
> I do go to my comics store once a week; it's what makes Wednedsys more
> enjoyable for me than for others at my school as most people see it as
> just the middle of the week.
>
Thats a part of my life that got left behind..........and I'm not sure I can
ever go home.
xponent
rob
VidEOSMM
McGregor on words, who on artwork? I don't remember.
Having Jim Starlin art in a recent Captain Marvel was a treat. Seeing Gulacy on
a Batman, I think he was better back then.
I paged through the Nick Fury collection at Borders after being outbid on a
full run on ebay... I had no idea how Kirby-like he was.
On yet another tangent, the New Gods concept got its start in Jimmy Olsen
(Newsboy Legion or somesuch). Was Kamandi before or after, probably after all
the New Gods.
I had to credit Walt Simonson, though, in the first few issues of his recent
New Gods, Darkseid both gets his hands on the anti-life equation and dies
battling Orion... what a way to start fresh!!!
Bill
Robert Seeberger
"VidEOSMM" <vide...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010107181555...@ng-mi1.aol.com...
> Sorry to hear of your loss. Killraven was in Amazing Adventures way back
when.
> McGregor on words, who on artwork? I don't remember.
>
> Having Jim Starlin art in a recent Captain Marvel was a treat. Seeing
Gulacy on
> a Batman, I think he was better back then.
Starlin.......man his work on Captain Marvel in the seventies was wonderful.
Around the same period there was some similar stuff in Dr. Strange, though I
dont recall who the artist was. All very cosmicly themed.
>
> I paged through the Nick Fury collection at Borders after being outbid on
a
> full run on ebay... I had no idea how Kirby-like he was.
I can see what you mean.
>
> On yet another tangent, the New Gods concept got its start in Jimmy Olsen
> (Newsboy Legion or somesuch).
I remember that now that you mention it.
> Was Kamandi before or after, probably after all
> the New Gods.
It was around the same period, but Kamandi, Last Boy on Earth was an
unrelated work.
>
> I had to credit Walt Simonson, though, in the first few issues of his
recent
> New Gods, Darkseid both gets his hands on the anti-life equation and dies
> battling Orion... what a way to start fresh!!!
>
Damn......I'd like to read that!
xponent
rob
Steven Sullivan
: "Jeremy S." <jere...@csc.umd.edu> wrote in message
: news:939sd1$8...@holmes.umd.edu...
:> In article <20010106203653...@ng-df1.aol.com>,
:> VidEOSMM <vide...@aol.com> wrote:
:> >Animated New Gods would be great.
:>
:> I don't know, has New Gods _ever_ sold well? From what I've read most of
:> the characters are not that interesting, except for maybe Darkseid, Orion,
:> and Mr. Miracle.
: New Gods initially did pretty well as it was a Jack Kirby creation and
: during the 70s Kirby was "god" for many comic readers. But eventually
: readership fell off after the newness rubbed off.
: The titles I recall off the top of my head from this Kirby romp were New
: Gods, Mr Miracle, and Forever People. It seems like there was another title,
: but I dont recall it at the moment. Sully?
For years the reason for the demise of the Fourth world series was a
mystery -- DC always claimed it wasn't selling ,but that was disputed by
some in the know. It turns out, according to a fascinating series of
interviews in a one fo the comics journals a few years back, that there
was extreme corruption in the distribution network for DC comics at the
time. Basically DC wasn't getting anything near an accurate count of what
was being sold in teh early 70's. For some middle men, there was more
money in returning comics than in ever putting them on the racks. The
Fourth World books were almost certainly selling far more than the
reported numbers indicated.
The 'Fourth World" was actually introduced by Kirby via Jimmy Olsen, a
comic he took over upon joining DC in the early 70's. IIRC that's where
Darkseid first appeared. I can tell you -- Jimmy Olsen was never so
interesting as when Kirby was runnning it! There was one two-issue opus
that was completely insane -- it involved the Fourth World mythos,
Superman, and a doppleganger of comedian Don Rickles! The story lines
hinted at in JO were fleshed out in the three main series of the Fourth
World, which are still to my mind still a summit of comic book creativity
-- the logical conclusion to Kirby's universe-spanning outlook, which made
the Silver Age Fantastic Four such a mind-blower. If I had to pick a
single best mainstream comic from the 70's,, it would be issue 7 of New
Gods, 'The Pact', where Kirby revealed the backstory for much of hte
Fourth World series. Alternately it would be a previous issue, 'The Deep
Six', where Kirby pits a hawkish dad and his pacifist son against monsters
from Apokalips, to explore the nature of valour. In the early 70's,
amidst the Vietnam War, this was powerful stuff.
--
-S.
"If you would have ignored me like I asked then perhaps I wouldn't
have bother to write you a thing, but your anger at life makes me ill
mentally and your arrogance about Yes just infuriates many."--bob2000
Steven Sullivan
: I remember that now that you mention it.
:> Was Kamandi before or after, probably after all
:> the New Gods.
: It was around the same period, but Kamandi, Last Boy on Earth was an
: unrelated work.
Kamandi and The Demon were two DC books Kirby started after the demise of
the Fourth World. Kamandi ran longer, but neither was first-rate.
Kirby's work was never the same, in fact, after the 'failure' of the
Fourth World. The only thing of his that came close, IMO, was 'The
Eternals'.
John Hopkins
news:20010107181555...@ng-mi1.aol.com...
> Sorry to hear of your loss. Killraven was in Amazing Adventures way back
when.
> McGregor on words, who on artwork? I don't remember.
Neal Adams did one of 'em. No, seriously. I have it, in fact, sitting five
feet away somewhere amid about 20 comic boxes. (I'd love to get rid of these
things, but it ain't a seller's market right now.) The other two or three
might have been drawn by Sal Buscema, who used to take all the titles nobody
else wanted.
> I had to credit Walt Simonson, though, in the first few issues of his
recent
> New Gods, Darkseid both gets his hands on the anti-life equation and dies
> battling Orion... what a way to start fresh!!!
Simonson's run on Thor was the only time that book felt like grand tales of
the gods apart from Lee/Kirby......
Yers,
/John
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>
> "VidEOSMM" <vide...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Sorry to hear of your loss. Killraven was in Amazing Adventures way back
> when.
> > McGregor on words, who on artwork? I don't remember.
> >
> > Having Jim Starlin art in a recent Captain Marvel was a treat. Seeing
> Gulacy on
> > a Batman, I think he was better back then.
>
> Starlin.......man his work on Captain Marvel in the seventies was
wonderful.
Yep, and those books used to go for a mint on the collector market. It's a
whole different scene out there now, though.
> Around the same period there was some similar stuff in Dr. Strange, though
I
> dont recall who the artist was. All very cosmicly themed.
Frank Brunner.
(Yep, still got those, too!)
Yers,
/John -- whose spending habits graduated to gadgets
VidEOSMM
or may not have the Dr. Strange.....kept all my Mike Ploog Werewolf, Ghost
Rider, etc.... kept Killraven...
I guess ComicBase software shows that certain comics were worth a lot more a
few years back. Having missed that, I take it that the market got saturated and
just imploded, dragging everything down. I seem to recall reading somewhere
that the non-mint issues prices have been "corrected" to where they really
should be. I find it intriguing that the graded comics in excess of 9.3 or 9.4
seem to be going for much more than "guide".
With ebay, it is a "free" and "frictionless" marketplace, so I would think that
"guide" prices need to be seriously adjusted to reality.
I honestly just kept the last comics that I liked, having sold two waves of my
collection when younger. My joke was that I was going to retire on them.... my
question is.... who's going to want to buy them in another 20-30 years?? At
that point, 50 years old.. I tend to think that print as we know it will be
dead by then.
Anyway, it's great to find other comic fans, readers, hoarders, and junk boxes
out there in Yes land...
Bill
Bill Mutschler
VidEOS
Steven Sullivan
: Hard to follow the quoted threads... anyway, I've got the Captain Marvel, may
: or may not have the Dr. Strange.....kept all my Mike Ploog Werewolf, Ghost
: Rider, etc.... kept Killraven...
: I guess ComicBase software shows that certain comics were worth a lot more a
: few years back. Having missed that, I take it that the market got saturated and
: just imploded, dragging everything down. I seem to recall reading somewhere
: that the non-mint issues prices have been "corrected" to where they really
: should be. I find it intriguing that the graded comics in excess of 9.3 or 9.4
: seem to be going for much more than "guide".
: With ebay, it is a "free" and "frictionless" marketplace, so I would think that
: "guide" prices need to be seriously adjusted to reality.
: I honestly just kept the last comics that I liked, having sold two waves of my
: collection when younger. My joke was that I was going to retire on them.... my
: question is.... who's going to want to buy them in another 20-30 years?? At
: that point, 50 years old.. I tend to think that print as we know it will be
: dead by then.
Which should make them especially valuable. ;>
--
-S.
VidEOSMM
>: that point, 50 years old.. I tend to think that print as we know it will be
>: dead by then.
>
>
I was wondering where I got this from, as I thought it at the time. Somewhere
before the prediction for "bio-computers" between 2000 and 2010. I think I was
believing Heinlein in that we'd all have personal printers with custom
documents.... not all that far off, if not past tense. Thanks for the
encouragement.....now to live that long and healthy...
Bill
Robert Seeberger
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> "Robert Seeberger" <dend...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "VidEOSMM" <vide...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20010107181555...@ng-mi1.aol.com...
> > > Sorry to hear of your loss. Killraven was in Amazing Adventures way
back
> > when.
> > > McGregor on words, who on artwork? I don't remember.
> > >
> > > Having Jim Starlin art in a recent Captain Marvel was a treat. Seeing
> > Gulacy on
> > > a Batman, I think he was better back then.
> >
> > Starlin.......man his work on Captain Marvel in the seventies was
> wonderful.
>
> Yep, and those books used to go for a mint on the collector market. It's a
> whole different scene out there now, though.
A lot of the 80s stuff is way overvalued IMHO. (Specificly late 80s XMen<G>)
>
> > Around the same period there was some similar stuff in Dr. Strange,
though
> I
> > dont recall who the artist was. All very cosmicly themed.
>
> Frank Brunner.
>
> (Yep, still got those, too!)
>
Yeah!!!! That whole Lovecraft riff was pretty exciting at the time.
Man!!!!! I loved that shit!
xponent
rob
Robert Seeberger
"John Hopkins" <dar...@home.com> wrote in message
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> "VidEOSMM" <vide...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Sorry to hear of your loss. Killraven was in Amazing Adventures way back
> when.
> > McGregor on words, who on artwork? I don't remember.
>
> Neal Adams did one of 'em. No, seriously. I have it, in fact, sitting five
> feet away somewhere amid about 20 comic boxes. (I'd love to get rid of
these
> things, but it ain't a seller's market right now.) The other two or three
> might have been drawn by Sal Buscema, who used to take all the titles
nobody
> else wanted.
>
> > I had to credit Walt Simonson, though, in the first few issues of his
> recent
> > New Gods, Darkseid both gets his hands on the anti-life equation and
dies
> > battling Orion... what a way to start fresh!!!
>
> Simonson's run on Thor was the only time that book felt like grand tales
of
> the gods apart from Lee/Kirby......
>
Wow....I had those too.....that was the Ring Cycle riff (and the period
following that included [whatshisname] Bill) that you are refering to, I am
assuming?
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rob
Robert Seeberger
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As evidence of the greatness of Jack "The King" Kirby <G>, I would point out
that many of his creations survive to this day. Everyone is familiar with
the Fantastic Four of course, and his Fourth World is now basic back story
at DC. Many Kirby created villians still run amok to this day. <G>
Hey!
You guys notice that a pretty high percentage of the frequent posters here
are collectors, former collectors, or former readers of comics?
Makes me kinda wonder if there is something common between prog and comix
that appeals to a common crowd.
xponent
rob
Steven Sullivan
: You guys notice that a pretty high percentage of the frequent posters here
: are collectors, former collectors, or former readers of comics?
: Makes me kinda wonder if there is something common between prog and comix
: that appeals to a common crowd.
Could it be....we're all nerds of a feather?
--
-S.
VidEOSMM
there is something common between prog and comix
>: that appeals to a common crowd.
We like things that few others do?? Now there's two reasons for people to
question our sanity??
Bill
Jeremy S.
Robert Seeberger <dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>Wow....I had those too.....that was the Ring Cycle riff (and the period
>following that included [whatshisname] Bill) that you are refering to, I am
>assuming?
Beta Ray Bill, actually. I had gotten Simonson right in the middle of
when the Casket of Eternal Winters had been opened. I have recently
decided to go back and get those other Thor issues, back to Simonson's
first.
I had also gotten the TPB of his work on Manhunter, which was rather
interesting.
--Jeremy
Steven Sullivan
book distribution and its effect on the Fourth World series was sent ot me
by the estimable Rob Dubnicka (credit where it's due!).
Now if I can actually dig up the xeroxed article I can provide more
bibliographic info.
--
-S.
John Hopkins
> I guess ComicBase software shows that certain comics were worth a lot more a
> few years back. Having missed that, I take it that the market got saturated and
> just imploded, dragging everything down.
That's about right. Until then, judicious collecting almost guaranteed
at least a small profit when sold a decade or two down the line.
> I seem to recall reading somewhere
> that the non-mint issues prices have been "corrected" to where they really
> should be.
Yep. Anything silver age used to be at a premium in any condition, now
only the near-pristine command impressive numbers. An example: the 1968
Iron Man & Submariner one-shot was once $50 or higher in G, now it's
something like $15. That, at least, is sensible.
> I find it intriguing that the graded comics in excess of 9.3 or 9.4
> seem to be going for much more than "guide".
I've heard rumors that these so-called guides inflated values on the
behalf of back-issue dealers. Don't know if it's true, but it wouldn't
be surprising.
> I honestly just kept the last comics that I liked, having sold two waves of my
> collection when younger.
Good move, as it turned out. I offloaded all 300+ of my X-books
recently, thinking it might be a good time due to the movie, but still
averaged less than half the cover price overall. The demand just isn't
there anymore.
> My joke was that I was going to retire on them.... my
> question is.... who's going to want to buy them in another 20-30 years??
My guess is that books from the mid-80s on up will continue to be
yawners. Gold & silver-age will probably never stop being in demand, and
that nebulous region between silver and modern era will fluctuate wildly
depending on the title and whatever character's gotten a recent
makeover.
I'll always remember that I bought Hulk #181 off the rack........
Yers,
/John
Cherie
: are collectors, former collectors, or former readers of comics?>>
It must be a Prog-boy thang :)
~Cherie
Robert Seeberger
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I dont think so Steve. I'm thinking it may be more like an ability to
control the exercise of imagination or imaginative thinking. On the other
hand it could be out of control suspension of disbelief. <G>
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rob
Robert Seeberger
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Sometimes Bill, I wonder if we are not saner than most.............
NAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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rob
<G>
Robert Seeberger
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Actually that was something I considered after I wrote that message. Now my
curiousity is throbbing.
So tell me Cherie, do you enjoy any unusual activities or hobbies?
I invite the rest of the women to respond too! I think it would be quite
interesting to see if there are any commonalities with the females who like
proggy stuff too.
Dissenting opinions are welcome if only to get some contrast into this
picture! <G>
xponent
rob
Steven Sullivan
: "Steven Sullivan" <sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote in message
Hmm. I haven't bought more than the occasional comic since I was
a teenager . I guess i've got a handle on it now.
.
--
-S.
'BTW, please keep the "stupid" signatures coming on your posts, a day
doesn't go by that they don't annoy me, and most likely the rest of the
used to be stupid" NG.' -- YESDAD
Rhea Frankel
dend...@email.msn.com says...
>
>
> "Cherie" <summ...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > << You guys notice that a pretty high percentage of the frequent posters
> here
> > : are collectors, former collectors, or former readers of comics?>>
> >
> > It must be a Prog-boy thang :)
> >
> > ~Cherie
>
> Actually that was something I considered after I wrote that message. Now my
> curiousity is throbbing.
> So tell me Cherie, do you enjoy any unusual activities or hobbies?
>
> I invite the rest of the women to respond too! I think it would be quite
> interesting to see if there are any commonalities with the females who like
> proggy stuff too.
>
Star Trek and math. I think I'm the very definition of a geek!
Rhea
Jeremy S.
John Hopkins <dar...@home.com> wrote:
>VidEOSMM wrote:
>
>> I guess ComicBase software shows that certain comics were worth a lot more a
>> few years back. Having missed that, I take it that the market got saturated and
>> just imploded, dragging everything down.
>
>That's about right. Until then, judicious collecting almost guaranteed
>at least a small profit when sold a decade or two down the line.
Still, the internet _has_ helped keep a lot of companies afloat.
>I've heard rumors that these so-called guides inflated values on the
>behalf of back-issue dealers. Don't know if it's true, but it wouldn't
>be surprising.
The recent rage is sealing up the comic book and having it rated by the
Comics Guaranty Corporation. They assign it a grade out of 10. A comic
book that is listed on a price guide as, say, $11 would be priced on a 9.8
grade at $72. But I don't personally want to seal up my comic book
collection like that. This has split the collectors into pro & con camps.
>> I honestly just kept the last comics that I liked, having sold two
>> waves of my collection when younger.
>
>Good move, as it turned out. I offloaded all 300+ of my X-books
>recently, thinking it might be a good time due to the movie, but still
>averaged less than half the cover price overall. The demand just isn't
>there anymore.
>
>> My joke was that I was going to retire on them.... my
>> question is.... who's going to want to buy them in another 20-30 years??
>
>My guess is that books from the mid-80s on up will continue to be
>yawners. Gold & silver-age will probably never stop being in demand, and
>that nebulous region between silver and modern era will fluctuate wildly
>depending on the title and whatever character's gotten a recent
>makeover.
I think I could possibly subsidize my retirement with my collection, but I
know I wouldn't be able to live off of it.
>I'll always remember that I bought Hulk #181 off the rack........
*BASTARD*.
:P
I think the only few titles I have of any worth are about $40 at
best. But I didn't buy them just for collectibility's sake, you know.
--Jeremy
VidEOSMM
bill
VidEOSMM
buying (and not reading) many Thors, I sat down the other day and read 16-18 or
something, the return of Mangog and Thanos.
To think, I actually passed up the comic store's annual Christmas half price
sale (blew a small fortune last year).... I've been spent out on other
things... but Simonson is truly a wonderful and unique artist.
As a hoot, I gave a vendor a copy of the Marvel Masterworks first 10 issues of
Thor...he was a fan and wrote a high school paper on Asgard... he claims to
have bought either Spidey or FF1 off the newstand, only to trade it away in his
teens for cigarettes (!!!!!).... anyway, he said that for a few hours, he was
ten years old again. I think that says it all.
Bill
Bill
VidEOSMM
>I'll always remember that I bought Hulk #181 off the rack........
You know, I had that issue.. cleared it out in one of the two sells when a
young lad... bought but didn't "Like" Trimpe, couldn't give a crap about some
dude Wolverine in a yellow suit...
good thing I kept the X-men 90s and Giant Size... I think it was the Cockrum
art.... reminds me of when I thought of selling them a few years back when they
were at about $100, the dealer told me that he had 10 or twenty copies in the
back, and that my best bet was going to a flea market or comics show.....
This just confirms my get rid of the fluff, keep my original books and the
silver age additions....though I couldn't pass up that Elseworlds withdrawn
issue during a store sale....
Bill
VidEOSMM
>>That's about right. Until then, judicious collecting almost guaranteed
>>at least a small profit when sold a decade or two down the line.
Which I sometimes wondered if it was merely inflation....if I had taken all
those nickels, dimes, quarters, and DOLLARS, saved them well, I'd have some
money other than a closet of comics and Warren Magazines, etc....
Bill
John Hopkins
> >I'll always remember that I bought Hulk #181 off the rack........
>
> *BASTARD*.
>
> :P
...And the reason I'll remember it is that this was before anyone
thought of plastic bags & backing boards. I read it & tossed it in the
pile. Years later when its value skyrocketed I dug it out & looked
ruefully at its horrible condition...
> I think the only few titles I have of any worth are about $40 at
> best. But I didn't buy them just for collectibility's sake, you know.
Me either, but when I stopped reading comics regularly it was natural to
hope that the somewhat painstaking storage process I'd adopted would pay
off somehow. So much for that.
There's still some sentiment left for the childhood stuff, though. I've
two remaining boxes worth of beat up but treasured Famous Monsters
magazines. (My 8th grade picture is in #110.)
Yers,
/John
Cherie
So tell me Cherie, do you enjoy any unusual activities or hobbies?>>
Weeell...lemme see...
I may not be a good example of a progbabe since the only prog group I listen to
nowadays is Yes. But I'll satisfy your curiosity anyways.... I like exotic
parrots ( I have two) and growing cactus (I have too many), learning about the
occult, and occasionally playing electric guitar. I also design websites and
sell a few of my "artsy" hobbies online: (www.petslates.com and
www.portraitsofanimals.com)
How's that ? Betcha you won't find those things in common with too many other
people. :)
~Cherie
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
Prog-person, ahem. ;-7
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She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
Robert Seeberger <dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Cherie" <summ...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>interesting to see if there are any commonalities with the females who like
>proggy stuff too.
1. Fencing (with SWORDS, ok? Not the other kind!)
2. Homebrewing (mostly mead, just starting to try beer again)
3. Painting/calligraphy (woops, uh, that reminds me...)
4. D&D and other gaming (lately, mostly fuzzy man and I play a predecessor
to GURPS called Fantasy Trip)
5. Geeking (latest thang is trying to set up a Solaris development environment
for the Palmpilot/Handspring Visor)
6. Herbal medicine (NOT homeopathy ;-7 )
7. Camping in good weather
8. SCA (which includes 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7, with the occasional 4)
John Hopkins
I understand lots of people play an electric guitar.
I *have* an electric guitar, fairly new too, but didn't guess I'd be
this apathetic on learning it. Anyone need a lefty?
What I do play is a bunch of synths, which is hardly uncommon, but also
a hammered dulcimer, which definitely is. No MIDI ports on it or
anything; all wood; very strange...
Also have a snappy case full of oils/brushes, and some canvases. All
very pristine. The timer's running on how long they sit there. So far:
14 months.
Now I've gone & spent nearly $3K on a telescope & accessories.
Did I mention my sweet SO finds me fairly amusing?
Yers,
/John
Cherie
other people. :)>>
<<I understand lots of people play an electric guitar. >>
But how many WOMEN do you know that play....Metallica tunes ?! :)
~Cherie
VidEOSMM
>I like exotic
>parrots ( I have two)
Can my wife and I interest you in a slightly used senegal Parrot?? Mostly a
joke, we love him, but sometimes would just love to get rid of him. The wife is
the bird fan. The little **??!## may just outlive me, too.
Bill
Bill
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
John Hopkins <dar...@home.com> wrote:
>Cherie wrote:
>>
>What I do play is a bunch of synths, which is hardly uncommon, but also
>a hammered dulcimer, which definitely is. No MIDI ports on it or
>anything; all wood; very strange...
What kind do you have? I've been wanting a linear chromatic for a long
time.
>Did I mention my sweet SO finds me fairly amusing?
And the problem with this is...? :)
Cherie
joke, we love him, but sometimes would just love to get rid of him. The wife is
the bird fan. The little **??!## may just outlive me, too. >>
Bill....Look in your email.
BTW...you can always send him here if you have to get rid of him <G> Maybe my
Grey will teach him some manners. :)
~Cherie
Robert Seeberger
"VidEOSMM" <vide...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Well, anyone else into subatomic particle physics and "theories of
everything?"
>
> bill
>
Sure! I try to read a bit about it when I can.
Have you seen this months Scientific American? Lots of good articles about
quintessence, negative energy pressure, repulsive gravity, and how they fit
into current cosmology and QM.
xponent
rob
Robert Seeberger
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How many colors did you say you dyed your hair?<G>
xponent
rob
Robert Seeberger
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> In article <93g6h9$a9liv$1...@ID-57219.news.dfncis.de>,
> Robert Seeberger <dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >"Cherie" <summ...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20010109122751...@ng-bh1.aol.com...
> >
> >I invite the rest of the women to respond too! I think it would be quite
> >interesting to see if there are any commonalities with the females who
like
> >proggy stuff too.
>
> 1. Fencing (with SWORDS, ok? Not the other kind!)
Now thats something I'd like to get into!! What type of sword?
Foil? Cutlass? Greatsword? Butterknife?<G>
>
> 2. Homebrewing (mostly mead, just starting to try beer again)
Hmmmm......I wouldnt try mixing 1 and 2......could get messy!
>
> 3. Painting/calligraphy (woops, uh, that reminds me...)
Do we have to chain you to your desk? <G>
>
> 4. D&D and other gaming (lately, mostly fuzzy man and I play a predecessor
> to GURPS called Fantasy Trip)
I'm ignorant here.
>
> 5. Geeking (latest thang is trying to set up a Solaris development
environment
> for the Palmpilot/Handspring Visor)
Even more ignorant here.
>
> 6. Herbal medicine (NOT homeopathy ;-7 )
Grow your own, right?
>
> 7. Camping in good weather
>
> 8. SCA (which includes 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7, with the occasional 4)
Society for Creative Anachronisms........I'm not totally ignorant. <G>
xponent
rob
VidEOSMM
>Sure! I try to read a bit about it when I can.
>Have you seen this months Scientific American?
Thanks. I've been getting by on Science News and the occasional Science Tuesday
in NYTimes. Things seem to be heating up again in that field....I think I have
my head wrapped around 9 or 11 dimensions... didn't delve too heavily in to M
or string, but it all sounds roughly the same... just trying to get the math to
work... did you read about "warm dark matter"... ??
Again, I've lost track of who is who in this thread. Are you the one with the
unused paint? I last painted in college. My wife and I joke that I wanted to
live in the mountains by water and paint -- I've completely repainted a 150
year old farmhouse and barn...!! Anyway, I've been collecting oil paints, art
supplies, canvases, and now a compound saw to make my own stretchers for a good
year or two. Even picked up a new air compressor...
I told my wife NOT to get me the telescope for Christmas....(she didn't -- but
we just had to get the 43" HD projection TV -- it just looked so cute...)
I'm beginning to think that we are all the same person or somesuch...
Bill
Reelayer
jere...@csc.umd.edu (Jeremy S.) wrote:
> [hyper-geek mode on]
>
> You're referring to the appearance of Mr. Mxyzptlk
>
> [hyper-geek mode off]
>
> --Jeremy
>
Yez, that was it :-)
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John Hopkins
> Again, I've lost track of who is who in this thread. Are you the one with
the
> unused paint?
Nope; that was me.
> I last painted in college. My wife and I joke that I wanted to
> live in the mountains by water and paint -- I've completely repainted a
150
> year old farmhouse and barn...!!
That's not quite what I had in mind. =}
> Anyway, I've been collecting oil paints, art
> supplies, canvases, and now a compound saw to make my own stretchers for a
good
> year or two. Even picked up a new air compressor...
Ah, but the question is, do you paint? or do you just have a nice collection
of the materials to do so? I figger one of these days I might just splortch
on one of these canvases, but who knows....
> I told my wife NOT to get me the telescope for Christmas....(she didn't --
but
> we just had to get the 43" HD projection TV -- it just looked so cute...)
>
> I'm beginning to think that we are all the same person or somesuch...
It can't be that bad. Maybe just wide variations on a theme.
Yers,
/John
John Hopkins
> >What I do play is a bunch of synths, which is hardly uncommon, but also
> >a hammered dulcimer, which definitely is. No MIDI ports on it or
> >anything; all wood; very strange...
>
> What kind do you have? I've been wanting a linear chromatic for a long
> time.
There's no name on it. I bought it in an acoustic specialty shop in Boulder
around 1987, if that helps, but no one put their brand on it. Being an
ex-drummer, this was the easiest tonal instrument to learn.
> >Did I mention my sweet SO finds me fairly amusing?
>
> And the problem with this is...? :)
Not a problem at all, in fact this ability of both of us to keep
unintentionally amusing the other may account for our longevity. =}
Yers,
/John
Cherie
> ~Cherie>>
<<How many colors did you say you dyed your hair?<G>>>
0 - you're thinking of GlamRock bands like Poison/Cinderalla ...not Metallica
:)
~Cherie
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
John Hopkins <dar...@home.com> wrote:
>"She Devil With A Rubber Chicken" <reds...@liii.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <3A5C72CD...@home.com>,
>> John Hopkins <dar...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> >What I do play is a bunch of synths, which is hardly uncommon, but also
>> >a hammered dulcimer, which definitely is. No MIDI ports on it or
>> >anything; all wood; very strange...
>>
>> What kind do you have? I've been wanting a linear chromatic for a long
>> time.
>
>There's no name on it. I bought it in an acoustic specialty shop in Boulder
>around 1987, if that helps, but no one put their brand on it. Being an
>ex-drummer, this was the easiest tonal instrument to learn.
Yep, exactly why I like it too, along with the fact that you can really
make some gorgeous music with it. I have a recording of "The Wexford
Carol" that just totally blew me away...after I heard it I just knew
that one of those things is definitely in my future. I also have a
whole bunch of "Featherstone" (folk and Celtic, mostly, he plays at
the NY State Renaissance Faire) and Mecca Bodega, who do original
stuff in the subways as I mentioned in a previous post. What sort
of stuff do you play?
>> >Did I mention my sweet SO finds me fairly amusing?
>>
>> And the problem with this is...? :)
>
>Not a problem at all, in fact this ability of both of us to keep
>unintentionally amusing the other may account for our longevity. =}
Hehehe I know whatcha mean...! :)
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
Robert Seeberger <dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>> 1. Fencing (with SWORDS, ok? Not the other kind!)
>
>Now thats something I'd like to get into!! What type of sword?
>Foil? Cutlass? Greatsword? Butterknife?<G>
First you have to decide what type of *fencing*. :) Do you want to
fence modern/olympic (which is how most people start); SCA-style
(sometimes called "Florentine" or "In the round", modern/olympic
is done on a strip); or the really hardcore classical fencing,
a.k.a "scherma". I do a smattering of all 3, although sabre is
my preferred weapon. I am none too fond of foil, so I am not too
good at it. A little better at epee. Fuzzy man is also teaching
me how to do live steel bouts, which are fun to do at 4th of July
demos. We use 100-year-old practice cutlasses for that and dress
up like pirates. We got to fence on the replica HMS Bounty one
year, it was a blast.
Since children are also at these things and I get a charge out
of making them giggle, I have actually been known to occasionally
wield an actual rubber chicken.
>> 2. Homebrewing (mostly mead, just starting to try beer again)
>
>Hmmmm......I wouldnt try mixing 1 and 2......could get messy!
d~ d~ d~ Weeeee....have....Valhallaaaaa...!!! :D :D (Sorry Jon.)
>> 3. Painting/calligraphy (woops, uh, that reminds me...)
>
>Do we have to chain you to your desk? <G>
No, you have to get the rest of my family to actually leave me
alone for about 2 hours this weekend.
>> 4. D&D and other gaming (lately, mostly fuzzy man and I play a
predecessor
>> to GURPS called Fantasy Trip)
>
>I'm ignorant here.
Something like D&D except a bit more efficiently designed, and
therefore more fun to play IMHO. Same sort of deal, though...
rolling dice, killing monsters, etc. etc.
>> 5. Geeking (latest thang is trying to set up a Solaris development
>environment
>> for the Palmpilot/Handspring Visor)
>
>Even more ignorant here.
Me too, but I'm learning cool stuff. As Werner von Braun said,
"Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing."
>> 6. Herbal medicine (NOT homeopathy ;-7 )
>
>Grow your own, right?
I borrowed my mom's yard last year 'cos I was in a smallish apt.
This year I'll be growing stuff at my own place, but it's a
very wooded area, so I'll have to plan carefully. What I don't
find to grow, I get from stores in the city. And sometimes with
the assistance of a field guide, I get lucky and find cool stuff
while camping.
>Society for Creative Anachronisms........I'm not totally ignorant. <G>
There ya go. :)
VidEOSMM
>> Anyway, I've been collecting oil paints, art
>> supplies, canvases, and now a compound saw to make my own stretchers for a
>good
>> year or two. Even picked up a new air compressor...
>
>Ah, but the question is, do you paint? or do you just have a nice collection
>of the materials to do so? I figger one of these days I might just splortch
>on one of these canvases, but who knows....
>
as I said, I've been _collecting_ painting supplies.... I'll just have to go do
it one of these days... anyway, I regularly (a few times each year) have a
dream/nightmare that the school year is almost finished, and I haven't done my
exhibition...... then I proceed to envision an entirely different set of
artwork/paintings each dream....
freudians, your analysis is welcome...
Bill
Theus
giot...@ix.netcom.com
<dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>I invite the rest of the women to respond too! I think it would be quite
>interesting to see if there are any commonalities with the females who like
>proggy stuff too.
At least four of us are still scanning this interminable thread. ;->
Other than that, my only overlap is with Redsonja's "camping in good
weather". I'll camp in any weather.
The Giotto Lady
Len Richards
giot...@ix.netcom.com who made this post:
Hi Kathy! Good to see you loitering within tent.
<I hope this joke is valid in the USA>
--
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Addy munge frequently changes - just remove the animal.
Len Richards
<dar...@home.com> who made this post:
>She Devil With A Rubber Chicken wrote:
>
>> >> >a hammered dulcimer,
>> What sort
>> of stuff do you play?
>
>instinct, never 'writing' or trying to work out someone else's tune. I'm
>sure I could figure out a way to work it into a MIDI composition
>(mic-ing it & playing along, presumably), but for some reason when I sit
>down with the dulcimer I just want to go on autopilot and listen to what
>comes out.
>
>Sorta like all the "ambient" synth patches -- my brain kind of flips
>over compared to patches that resemble real-world instruments. With the
>latter I start thinking about composition; with the former everything
>else stops while I go for a glide.
>
>It's one way to ensure something you love doesn't become a chore, I
>guess. But anyway I agree, the h. dulcimer is a uniquely beautiful
>instrument.
>
>
>Yers,
>/John
Fancy giving us a track for AMYCD II?
Seriously,
Len
John Hopkins
> >> >a hammered dulcimer,
>
> What sort
> of stuff do you play?
Anything that comes out. Seriously, I tend to go by just ear and
John Hopkins
>
> I heard the alt.music.yes newsgroup today, Oh boy, about
> giot...@ix.netcom.com who made this post:
> >Other than that, my only overlap is with Redsonja's "camping in good
> >weather". I'll camp in any weather.
> >
> >
> >The Giotto Lady
>
> Hi Kathy! Good to see you loitering within tent.
>
> <I hope this joke is valid in the USA>
If my groan is any indication, then yes it is. =}
Yers,
/John
John Hopkins
>
> In article <93itqp$aipsd$1...@ID-57219.news.dfncis.de>,
> Robert Seeberger <dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 1. Fencing (with SWORDS, ok? Not the other kind!)
> >
> >Now thats something I'd like to get into!! What type of sword?
> >Foil? Cutlass? Greatsword? Butterknife?<G>
>
> First you have to decide what type of *fencing*. :) Do you want to
> fence modern/olympic (which is how most people start); SCA-style
> (sometimes called "Florentine" or "In the round", modern/olympic
> is done on a strip); or the really hardcore classical fencing,
> a.k.a "scherma".
How about Japanese style ("kendo," IIRC). Any experience with that?
One of many things I was going to do a couple of decades ago. Still have
the replica katana -- IMO no one ever made a more elegant looking weapon
than the Japanese.
Yers,
/John
Cherie
Again.. 0 ! How cliche ! ;)
~Cherie
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
John Hopkins <dar...@home.com> wrote:
>She Devil With A Rubber Chicken wrote:
>>
>> In article <93itqp$aipsd$1...@ID-57219.news.dfncis.de>,
>> Robert Seeberger <dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> 1. Fencing (with SWORDS, ok? Not the other kind!)
>> >
>> >Now thats something I'd like to get into!! What type of sword?
>> >Foil? Cutlass? Greatsword? Butterknife?<G>
>>
>> First you have to decide what type of *fencing*. :) Do you want to
>> fence modern/olympic (which is how most people start); SCA-style
>> (sometimes called "Florentine" or "In the round", modern/olympic
>> is done on a strip); or the really hardcore classical fencing,
>> a.k.a "scherma".
>
>How about Japanese style ("kendo," IIRC). Any experience with that?
I've seen both that and the Filipino style done, but my source of
instruction is currently my fiancee. His experience is classical
fencing and although he holds a brown belt in Okinawan karate,
today he prefers Lama kung fu. So he's also teaching me the drill
for chinese broadsword, which I think is a gorgeous style. There
is some great choreography of this in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden
Dragon".
This is an amusing aside - the sword I practice Chinese broadsword
with is a replica of Xena's, which I bought the day of the Yes
concert at Jones Beach, on the way to the concert! :D (I guess
this is my obYes section.) It's perfectly sized and weighted for
the drill, although it does have an edge so I have to be careful.
>One of many things I was going to do a couple of decades ago. Still have
>the replica katana -- IMO no one ever made a more elegant looking weapon
>than the Japanese.
Ahhh, I dunno about that. There's something about a swept hilt
rapier...
She Devil With A Rubber Chicken
Len Richards <GreyWi...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>I heard the alt.music.yes newsgroup today, Oh boy, about
>giot...@ix.netcom.com who made this post:
>>On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:23:19 -0600, "Robert Seeberger"
>><dend...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I invite the rest of the women to respond too! I think it would be quite
>>>interesting to see if there are any commonalities with the females who like
>>>proggy stuff too.
>>
>>At least four of us are still scanning this interminable thread. ;->
>>
>>Other than that, my only overlap is with Redsonja's "camping in good
>>weather". I'll camp in any weather.
What I meant is that I don't really dig "winter defiance parties"...
we don't always get to pick whether it's raining or not. The SCA's
Pennsic is infamous for it's psychotic, extreme weather. It can be
an advantage to be part of a Ren Faire when it rains, though. Fuzzy
man and I discovered that cavalier hats are not just impractical
ornaments that way. It's like wearing an umbrella on your head. :D
John Hopkins
>
> I heard the alt.music.yes newsgroup today, Oh boy, about John Hopkins
> <dar...@home.com> who made this post:
> >But anyway I agree, the h. dulcimer is a uniquely beautiful
> >instrument.
>
> Fancy giving us a track for AMYCD II?
>
> Seriously,
> Len
Ooh, a challenge. Well why not -- been meaning to set up a mic anyway.
Consider it a determined maybe!
Yers,
/John