Pino with the Who sucks
bayoubilly
in his own right. This is just turning out like replacing Keith with Kenny.
IMHO :-)
shakeshake
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>There, its been said. No comment on the man himself, or how talented he is
>in his own right. This is just turning out like replacing Keith with Kenny.
>
>IMHO :-)
>
Kenney was absolutely brilliant with Who.
And also if youreally listen to Starkey work with the Who you actually
notice that he isn't very much differnet from the Kenney, plays few
rolls more
Is't just me or does Starkey have more "soft" sound than Kenney ?
Ldnayman
>notice that he isn't very much differnet from the Kenney, plays few
>rolls more
>Is't just me or does Starkey have more "soft" sound than Kenney ?
yea, I'm not so blown away by Starkey. He is fine, but he's playing "inside the
box," just like Kenney.
It's not really their fault...if they just went nuts and tried to be Moon, that
might be weird too. There's only one moon. That being said the Who would sound
better with me playing, cause i imitate moon when I play the Who.
Schmoe
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You're not completely wrong if a little harsh. Pino's doing the best he can
to replace a musician that no one can replace. Zach, on the other hand, is a
brilliant, talented musician that can play on any stage.
Consider this, Pino played the Simon & Garfunkel tour. That doesn't require
great chops. Tune him out, watch Pete, Zach, Rabbit & Roger.
bayoubilly
People are out there who can play like the Ox, you just need to find them.
Just take some of the Who tribute bands, like them or not, the bassist
always has the Ox's licks down pretty good.
Oh well... I guess I just miss the original band. Again, it wasn't
belittling Pino, I just don't think its a right fit for the "Who sound"
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20 years and on more than one occasion has said he's his favorite bassist.It
shouldn't surprise anyone,Pete and Rog always used to tell John to turn down
for being too loud.And Pete's just in a recent interview mentioned how he
preferred John's simpler playing in the sixties.Well now he has that with Pino.
David Bourke
that PT & RD would let him off his leash to play a bit.
db
Mysticon
Can't they be themselves.??
Granted Thunderfingers was the best bassist, but why can't people accept a
replacement?
I mean, if you don't like it, don't listen, enough said.. Leave it to those of
us who do enjoy it..
The Who aren't going to be with us in any form for much longer so enjoy it
while you can.
DGDevin
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> Pino is a brilliant player. He *made* 'Give Blood'. I just wish
> that PT & RD would let him off his leash to play a bit.
Exactly, he is way down in the mix, he seemed to go out of his way *not* to
be too forward on the 2002 tour, and it would be insulting to Pino and John
both if Pino was merely to ape Entwistle's style. Entwistle was unique, his
sound, sadly, is gone from The Who, but that doesn't mean that hiring
someone to try and sound like him would be a good idea, if that's all they
want, slap a tape machine onstage and play old Entwistle tracks.
tetrakarbon
I don't think that today's Pino is even playing like Entwistle was in
the 60's. I mean, I'd noticed a change to the more audacious over
time, but Pino is so low in the mix, and so non-present that the
comparison isn't even fair.
I'm not saying anything about Pino's chops, I think he's a pretty good
bassist. But, I don't know why he isn't working live, but he isn't.
-- Ned Ruggeri
bayoubilly
I never said he had to copy John exactly.
To me a Who bass sound is very loud in the mix, taking the lead part a lot
of the time and letting Pete play rythm.
Pino is very low in the mix, and he seems to have a very structured style of
playing. To me, it totally effects the sound of the Who.
Remember Pete's comment when Pino first joined: "I asked to to play very,
very loud". If he's consistantly so low in the mix, whose fault is it?
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being paid to go up and imitate their old songs the best they can. They're
not a free form jazz Quintet. Pino should imitate John the best he can or
find a new gig.
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SicilianMother
somehow feel disloyal if we support John's replacement, and that being said,
Pino does not suck. He is extremely talented.
It breaks my heart to hear us tear down these talented musicians, like Pino,
Kenney and even Zak who happened to be invited to step in to fill a spot that
has opened up and they get slaughtered by anyone and everyone. We can still be
loyal to John and Keith without slandering these other very gifted musicians.
Johanna
Tim Farrow
he sucks
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London Calling
There's no denying they are talented musicians, and that seems to to
be the root of the problem. Both Pino and Kenney are very technical
players, too techincal to fit in comfortably with the Who sound. Both
were also chosen as they were well known to the band already.
Someone who played more 'loosely' or in a fashion which broke away
from the textbook excellence of Pino would have benefitted the bands
sound more. Someone a little bit noisier and willing to take a risk. I
suppose that didn't happen because Pete isn't personally friendly with
anyone who fits that description.
DW
Absolutely: well said
David Bourke
Senna with Damon Hill and then said "But mind you don't
go any more than 30mph!".
db
tetrakarbon
wrote:
>There's no denying they are talented musicians, and that seems to to
>be the root of the problem. Both Pino and Kenney are very technical
>players, too techincal to fit in comfortably with the Who sound. Both
>were also chosen as they were well known to the band already.
>
>Someone who played more 'loosely' or in a fashion which broke away
>from the textbook excellence of Pino would have benefitted the bands
>sound more. Someone a little bit noisier and willing to take a risk. I
>suppose that didn't happen because Pete isn't personally friendly with
>anyone who fits that description.
Very well said. Though, why doesn't Pete know any free-form bassists?
I understand he's very comfortable with Pino, but I'm sure Pete
could've called in someone else, had he needed to. So, I still see
this as a somewhat poor selection, but a very understandable one.
I totally agree with your analysis of technical players. I love Pino
on albums, can't listen to him live...
-- 'karbon
Edward Wolf
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playing that is required for the Who that neither Jones nor Phillips could
ever capture. I prefer the 1999-2000 who to the 1978 who.
As far as Entwistle, he was a truly overlooked genius IMO. Whenver I listen
to Quad I crank up the bass and turn down the treble just for those melodic
lines. Nobody can ever come close.
JD Miller
Zaks too. Kenny is too mechananical and lacks any power. The Who couldn't
play many songs they wanted to because Kenny didn'y have the ability. Kenny
did a fair job in 1979-80 and a poor job in 1981-82. I have heard almost
know one say they would rather have Kenny then Zak. A drum machine in slow
motion= Kenny Jones. JD
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shakeshake
Was brilliant in 1979-1980 and damn goo din 1981-1982
JD Miller
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shakeshake
On Sat, 08 May 2004 16:29:04 GMT, "JD Miller"
Nil
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(re. Kenny Jones)
> The Who couldn't play many songs they wanted to because Kenny
> didn'y have the ability.
Can you cite a reference to back this up? I've never heard anyone in
the Who say this.
RMRose
Earth want to call it the Who then, you are noone to argue. It's theirs to
do with what they want.
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play many songs they wanted to because Kenny didn'y have the ability. Kenny
Which songs?
John
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"JD Miller" <jd_m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Kenny Jones playing can hardly be called brillant! His style is far from
> Zaks too. Kenny is too mechananical and lacks any power. The Who couldn't
> play many songs they wanted to because Kenny didn'y have the ability. Kenny
> did a fair job in 1979-80 and a poor job in 1981-82. I have heard almost
> know one say they would rather have Kenny then Zak. A drum machine in slow
> motion= Kenny Jones. JD
This may be partially true, but Jones, and many Who albums entirely,
suffered from recording engineering unbefitting the Who. On Face
Dances, Jones' drums were recorded very tight, dull, and dry---gave them
a very small, dead sound. And they were mixed very badly, with the hats
way too up front, and way too dry, for example. You can tell his
playing was actually pretty intense (tho definitely not Moon's style),
it was just filtered out with inappropriate engineering. I think in part
this production approach was the style for that time (new wave era), and
also carried over into live performances as well, but it was all wrong
for the Who.
Jeff
byrdsfan
they were great last time i saw them, at Madison Square Garden, with
him.
I like Starkey and having see Kenny Jones a few times, feel he is a
tremendous improvement over him. I also did not like the guy who
followed Jones, who seemd to do too much (i forget his name).
Starkey seems a good fit emotionally and image-wise. This is maybe
where Pino is lacking, but the guy who really helped them last time
out was Simon Townshend. When i saw them on the last tour with John
Entwistle, i really noticed the lack of harmonies. This was a Who
trademark as much as anything and it hurt not to have it. Simon is
perfect. I hope he's still with them. I havent kept up on latest
developments but figure i'll wrangle a ticket to MSG.
DGDevin
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>
> Remember Pete's comment when Pino first joined: "I asked to to play very,
> very loud". If he's consistantly so low in the mix, whose fault is it?
So Pino leaps from the stage, runs to the mixing board, turns himself down,
and then climbs back onstage to continue playing? The volume of an
instrument is controlled by the sound engineer, not the player himself, if
Pino was consistently playing very soft or turning his own amp down either
the engineer would turn him up in the P.A. or let the rest of the band know
so they could ask Pino what he was doing. If Pino is low in the mix it's
because the engineer has been told to keep him there. Pete might want Pino
to play loud enough to fill the stage, but that's another issue from filling
a 20,000 seat amphitheatre, no instrumental player can do that when he's
competing with a 50,000 watt P.A. system.
Mind you, considering how inept the Who's crew appears to be at times, maybe
they're just screwing up Pino's levels along with all the other stuff they
screw up, like the earphone monitors, Pete's stage monitors, Pete's guitars,
and so on....
SicilianMother
followed Jones, who seemd to do too much (i forget his name).
That would be Simon Phillips. I liked him, more then Kenney, bless his heart,
but less then Zak. I thought Simon sounded great and looked great too.
Jo :)
Jo-Anne
album recently. Then I realized what The Who are now lacking. They've lost
their guts. They need someone who can attack the strings harder and drive
the band....not someone who is just providing a representation of the bass
line. He has no passion.