> > > > > > > > Vangelis? Led Zeppelin? Good god, you must be as old as I am...
> > > > > > > > You realize NO ONE listens to Led Zeppelin any longer... :))))))))
> > > > > > > > P
> > > > > > > You are living under a rock, if you think that. The young generation > > > > > > > is all about Zeppelin, Yes, Floyd, Sabbath, Purple, Maiden, Metallica > > > > > > > etc these days.
> > > > > > I have a son who is actually *in* the generation of which you speak, > > > > > > and he doesn't listen to any of that. (E.g., a relative gave him "Dark > > > > > > Side of the Moon" as a gift, and he never listened to it.) But he does > > > > > > listen to a lot of rock -- it just happens to be mostly by obscure > > > > > > bands from the '00s and '90s. The same is true of his friends. Classic > > > > > > rock geeks and retro metalheads are a distinct minority. I'm not > > > > > > saying young people with those tastes don't exist, but they are far > > > > > > from defining the "young generation." The norm seems to be more like > > > > > > an eclectic combination of ragged punk/indie rock, hip hop, mash-ups, > > > > > > and electronica.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > I highly doubt that your son represents the minority.
> > > > Er, yes, that's my point. He probably represents the majority.
> > > > >Those teenagers > > > > > who like heavy music (and there are tons of them) are easily into the > > > > > likes of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple etc. Most start with > > > > > Maiden/Metallica but move on.
> > > > If you take up snowboarding, you'll get a better idea of what people > > > > half your age are listening to. It ain't the stuff you're obsessed > > > > with. There are *some* retro rockers out there; believing that they > > > > dominate or define their generation is silly.
> > > My younger daughter - who is 27 - is a fan of heavy rock. She loved > > > going to Ozzfest and other rock festivals to see bands from her > > > generation *and* mine. Her boyfriend at the time was in a metal band > > > called JIF (no idea). Since then she's been round the world and now > > > has a new boyfriend who is not such a metal freak - but she still > > > enjoys that stuff - Judas Priest, Sabbath, Maiden, as well as the > > > newer bands like Korn and System Of A Down. However, though there are > > > plenty of her age group at the festivals, she thinks its a only > > > minority that really like the older bands most. I think Sabbath are > > > still well thought of because of Ozzie but Deep Purple, Judas Priest, > > > even Zep, much less so. Sure, they're interested - but what they > > > listen to by choice are the bands from their own era.
> > Its true hardcore metal fans seem to like Sabbath (but not as much as > > Priest, Maiden and Metallica). They don't seem to consider Zep/Purple > > as metal. Hard core metal fans are also DUMBASSES.
> I am just trying to work out whether that constitutes an insult to my > daughter...
> Never mind. She's worth a hundred of you any day.
Don't make that link. The comment wasn't about your daughter. It was about metal fans in general. I have many metal friends and I consider them as dumbasses and even say that to their face (in a mocking manner). The point being, they have listened to heavy stuff all the time, that they cannot appreciate the beauty of anything mellower. I like a lot of metal.... even absolutely heavy ones like Reign In Blood, but that doesn't mean I should not like other non-heavy stuff.
Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote: > It WAS all crap and IS all crap... those of us who had to live through > heavy metal are still suffering the after effects... brutal anti- > music...
> P
Hi, Dad!
-- "When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it." --Anton Chekhov
I don't know if I'm familiar with this. It really sounds like a pop tune. And that English Choir Singing Accent that makes the kids they teach sound as if English isn't their first language doesn't float my boat, either. But it's OK.
Now the interesting thing here is that it sounds like a typical tune of this sort--which is part of what makes me wonder about the various "nu-metal" genres. Not that this is a good example, but I also hear some late'-80s "post-AOR" (Cutting Crew, Glass Tiger, that sort of thing) in the songwriting. We're just supposed to accept it as METALL because it sounds like Metallica *playing* it.
-- "When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it." --Anton Chekhov
>> If you like "whiny" stuff, but much better than Vangelis, try: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spFJEIjBwFs > I don't know if I'm familiar with this. It really sounds like a pop > tune. And that English Choir Singing Accent that makes the kids they > teach sound as if English isn't their first language doesn't float my > boat, either. But it's OK.
> But "whiny"?
Probably the wrong word to describe it, yes.
It's a song made especially for the animated short Snowman (1982), shown at every Christmas here. Singer is English which I think it's pretty obvious by listening it. Shortly after, Blackmore made an instrumental of it...and Nightwish made it's version nearly couple decades later.
On Feb 25, 5:39 pm, Jeff Blanks <jbla...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote: > > It WAS all crap and IS all crap... those of us who had to live through > > heavy metal are still suffering the after effects... brutal anti- > > music...
> > P
> Hi, Dad!
> -- > "When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it." > --Anton Chekhov
Heavy metal was for people who didn't really appreciate musicality or the collectivity of western music and just wanted noise to smash out the angst laced boredom of the semi-reality they felt their lives were destined to become... if you are under 45 and listen to heavy metal you are just ignorant and lost (as we were) and pathetically avoiding/ uninvolved with the musical culture of your own time...
> On Feb 25, 5:39 pm, Jeff Blanks <jbla...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote: > > > It WAS all crap and IS all crap... those of us who had to live through > > > heavy metal are still suffering the after effects... brutal anti- > > > music...
> > > P
> > Hi, Dad!
> > -- > > "When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it." > > --Anton Chekhov
> Heavy metal was for people who didn't really appreciate musicality or > the collectivity of western music and just wanted noise to smash out > the angst laced boredom of the semi-reality they felt their lives were > destined to become... if you are under 45 and listen to heavy metal > you are just ignorant and lost (as we were) and pathetically avoiding/ > uninvolved with the musical culture of your own time...
> P
Are you saying that with a straight face? If you are serious, you are truly ignorant. The tag heavy metal is meaningless. And some of the best heavy music is not angst-laden. I can't imagine anything heavier than the music on The Inner Mounting Flame or Bitches Brew and they are not even technically rock. The first two songs on Relayer are heavier, virtuosic and faster than hell and no one will ever call it metal. Red is a freaking heavy album. Karn Evil 9 has such mayhem. Some songs on The Piper At the Gates of Dawn and The Velvet Underground and Nico are heavy and frenetic. A Farewell to Kings has some of the challenging and most aggressive music ever recorded. None of these are considered heavy metal. Heavy music is just as moody as relaxed music.
Fortunately like you, I am not prejudiced. Depending upon my mood, I can listen to any kind of music (if I find it good).
> On Feb 25, 9:22 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 25, 5:39 pm, Jeff Blanks <jbla...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote: > > > > It WAS all crap and IS all crap... those of us who had to live through > > > > heavy metal are still suffering the after effects... brutal anti- > > > > music...
> > > > P
> > > Hi, Dad!
> > > -- > > > "When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it." > > > --Anton Chekhov
> > Heavy metal was for people who didn't really appreciate musicality or > > the collectivity of western music and just wanted noise to smash out > > the angst laced boredom of the semi-reality they felt their lives were > > destined to become... if you are under 45 and listen to heavy metal > > you are just ignorant and lost (as we were) and pathetically avoiding/ > > uninvolved with the musical culture of your own time...
> > P
> Are you saying that with a straight face? If you are serious, you are > truly ignorant. The tag heavy metal is meaningless.
The best heavy metal of 2010 was "Dream Is Collapsing" from the Inception soundtrack. The brass section consisted of six French horns, six tenor trombones, six bass trombones, and four tubas. Now that's *metal*! Reminds me of the old Spinal Tap band intro: "On the bass ... on the bass ... and on lead bass ..."
> On Feb 25, 11:11 pm, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 25, 9:22 pm, Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > On Feb 25, 5:39 pm, Jeff Blanks <jbla...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > > Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> wrote: > > > > > It WAS all crap and IS all crap... those of us who had to live through > > > > > heavy metal are still suffering the after effects... brutal anti- > > > > > music...
> > > > > P
> > > > Hi, Dad!
> > > > -- > > > > "When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it." > > > > --Anton Chekhov
> > > Heavy metal was for people who didn't really appreciate musicality or > > > the collectivity of western music and just wanted noise to smash out > > > the angst laced boredom of the semi-reality they felt their lives were > > > destined to become... if you are under 45 and listen to heavy metal > > > you are just ignorant and lost (as we were) and pathetically avoiding/ > > > uninvolved with the musical culture of your own time...
> > > P
> > Are you saying that with a straight face? If you are serious, you are > > truly ignorant. The tag heavy metal is meaningless.
> The best heavy metal of 2010 was "Dream Is Collapsing" from the > Inception soundtrack. The brass section consisted of six French horns, > six tenor trombones, six bass trombones, and four tubas. Now that's > *metal*! Reminds me of the old Spinal Tap band intro: "On the bass ... > on the bass ... and on lead bass ..."
> >Sorry dude, Janis cannot sing... forget about being soulful. She had > >the ugliest voice in rock, next only to Neil Young.
> Just for once, I completely agree with Raja (about both of those voices).
> JJ (UK)
I'm not a fan of either of these voices, but I do think there are worse.Again, it's personal taste, but I'd rather listen to these two than Axl Rose or (controversially?) Brian Johnson.
> > >Sorry dude, Janis cannot sing... forget about being soulful. She had > > >the ugliest voice in rock, next only to Neil Young.
> > Just for once, I completely agree with Raja (about both of those voices).
> > JJ (UK)
> I'm not a fan of either of these voices, but I do think there are > worse.Again, it's personal taste, but I'd rather listen to these two > than Axl Rose or (controversially?) Brian Johnson.
Brian had a good powerful voice in Black in Black, but he lost it quite quickly. Axl can be annoying at times. But in some emotional type songs, he sings pretty good.
>> >Sorry dude, Janis cannot sing... forget about being soulful. She had >> >the ugliest voice in rock, next only to Neil Young.
>> Just for once, I completely agree with Raja (about both of those voices).
>> JJ (UK)
> I'm not a fan of either of these voices, but I do think there are > worse.Again, it's personal taste, but I'd rather listen to these two > than Axl Rose or (controversially?) Brian Johnson.
I like Joplin, Young not so much. I agree, it's personal taste. Rose? Yukk. And I don't think Johnson is that controversial a choice, I think most hard-core AC/DC fans prefer Bon Scott.
> Sorry dude, Janis cannot sing... forget about being soulful. She had > the ugliest voice in rock, next only to Neil Young.
"Raja" likes cake, "Raja" likes cookies, "Raja" likes ice cream. "Raja" doesn't like vegetables and he won't eat them because they're ucky, he won't, he won't, he won't.
> > Sorry dude, Janis cannot sing... forget about being soulful. She had > > the ugliest voice in rock, next only to Neil Young.
> "Raja" likes cake, "Raja" likes cookies, "Raja" likes ice cream. "Raja" > doesn't like vegetables and he won't eat them because they're ucky, he > won't, he won't, he won't.
Wrong guess. I hate all of them. *grills a rib eye steak as he types*. Vegetables are form wimps and cookies/ice cream/candies are for chicks.
> >> >Sorry dude, Janis cannot sing... forget about being soulful. She had > >> >the ugliest voice in rock, next only to Neil Young.
> >> Just for once, I completely agree with Raja (about both of those voices).
> >> JJ (UK)
> > I'm not a fan of either of these voices, but I do think there are > > worse.Again, it's personal taste, but I'd rather listen to these two > > than Axl Rose or (controversially?) Brian Johnson.
> I like Joplin, Young not so much. I agree, it's personal taste. Rose? > Yukk. And I don't think Johnson is that controversial a choice, I think > most hard-core AC/DC fans prefer Bon Scott.
Tell me some heavy metal vocalist you like. I have a feeling you do not like heavy metal at all.
>> > Sorry dude, Janis cannot sing... forget about being soulful. She had >> > the ugliest voice in rock, next only to Neil Young.
>> "Raja" likes cake, "Raja" likes cookies, "Raja" likes ice cream. "Raja" >> doesn't like vegetables and he won't eat them because they're ucky, he >> won't, he won't, he won't. > Wrong guess. I hate all of them. *grills a rib eye steak as he types*. > Vegetables are form wimps and cookies/ice cream/candies are for > chicks.
A) The cake and cookies are allegorical, fanboi, they represent your shallow, childish tastes in music in which you assume that anything you don't understand must be bad. B) If you're really grilling and posting at the same time that is pretty good proof that your online obsession has gone too far; as the popular saying goes, get a life. C) What chicks like is a total mystery to you, it's pointless for you to pretend otherwise.
