"Guitar Hero - Van Halen" sucks a big one
DC
.What's most disappointing about "Guitar Hero: Van Halen"
(Amazon.com: http://xrl.us/VanHal ) is that you play as the
older, present-day version of the band members for most of
the game. Rather than reveling in the big hair, tight neon
spandex, and over-the-top guitar showmanship of the band in
their prime, the game forces you to play as the aging rock
dinosaurs of today. It isn't until the last tier of songs
that you finally get to play as the band in their full
cheesy old school glory and beating the game does unlock
the classic version but that's a feature that should have
been available from the start...
Continued: http://xrl.us/VHalen
Paul Heslop
great, I don't like guitar hero and I really don't like big hair
bands, so what's to lose? :O)
--
Paul (we break easy)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/
The alMIGHTY N
> GamePro
>
> .What's most disappointing about "Guitar Hero: Van Halen"
> older, present-day version of the band members for most of
> the game. Rather than reveling in the big hair, tight neon
> spandex, and over-the-top guitar showmanship of the band in
> their prime, the game forces you to play as the aging rock
> dinosaurs of today. It isn't until the last tier of songs
> that you finally get to play as the band in their full
> cheesy old school glory and beating the game does unlock
> the classic version but that's a feature that should have
> been available from the start...
>
> Continued:http://xrl.us/VHalen
People were complaining about this a long time ago. In addition to the
seemingly random pop songs they included as the filler tracks, this
was the major complaint. Really... who wants to play as the geriatric
version of the band?
Nevertheless what doesn't suck about the game is price for those of us
who got in on the "Buy Guitar Hero 5 Get Guitar Hero Van Halen Free"
offer. :-)
GMAN
>GamePro
>
>..What's most disappointing about "Guitar Hero: Van Halen"
Wolfgang????
Looks like we just should go straight to the cheat codes to unlock it.
THANK GOD we got this for free a few months ago via the GH5 purchase.
The Mighty T.B.
(snip)
>>
> What do you expect when all so called creative and song choice was made by
> Wolfgang????
Honestly, the Van Halen picks are perfect. None of that Van Hagar nancy-boy
crap. And as far as the additional songs, I'm sure that was part of the
deal for the game that a bunch of other tunes had to be backloaded onto the
game.
T.B.
GMAN
taste.
And if it werent for that Hagar nancy boy stuff in the late 80's, Van halen
would have vanished into oblivion.
Oh wait, they already have.
DC
DC <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
> GamePro
>
> .What's most disappointing about "Guitar Hero: Van Halen"
> (Amazon.com: http://xrl.us/VanHal ) is that you play as
the
> older, present-day version of the band members for most of
> the game.
This franchise should be renamed "Guitar Homo"
RKRM
"GMAN" <Winnie...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
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Really? We're you even alive then?
>
>
> Oh wait, they already have.
Wow. They're alive and kicking. Clearly you have placed what would be your
opinion into the what you think is fact.
Paul Heslop
ooh, how clever. did you see how he did that? changed 'hero' to 'homo'
for comedy effect?
The alMIGHTY N
> "GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>
> news:phwYm.195946$Td3.1...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <UPednc-Pwaw6EK_WnZ2dnUVZ_tCdn...@giganews.com>, "The Mighty
> > T.B." <xoxox...@unknownaddress.com> wrote:
> >>"GMAN" wrote:
>
> >>(snip)
>
> >>> What do you expect when all so called creative and song choice was made
> >>> by
> >>> Wolfgang????
>
> >>Honestly, the Van Halen picks are perfect. None of that Van Hagar
> >>nancy-boy
> >>crap. And as far as the additional songs, I'm sure that was part of the
> >>deal for the game that a bunch of other tunes had to be backloaded onto
> >>the
> >>game.
>
> >>T.B.
>
> > But its very obvious Wolfgang has shit for brains when it comes to musical
> > taste.
>
> > And if it werent for that Hagar nancy boy stuff in the late 80's, Van
> > halen
> > would have vanished into oblivion.
>
> Really? We're you even alive then?
>
>
>
> > Oh wait, they already have.
>
> Wow. They're alive and kicking. Clearly you have placed what would be your
> opinion into the what you think is fact.
Van Halen is essentially a non-entity in the music world. This revival
of theirs isn't going to do any wonders for anyone except the most
diehard fans.
There's not much more than zero buzz on this game and nobody's really
talking about the resurgence of the band. They seem to be one of those
classic bands that don't really have much relevance in today's world.
The Mighty T.B.
> DC <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> GamePro
>>
>> .What's most disappointing about "Guitar Hero: Van Halen"
>> (Amazon.com: http://xrl.us/VanHal ) is that you play as
> the
>> older, present-day version of the band members for most of
>> the game.
>
> This franchise should be renamed "Guitar Homo"
The game(s) serve only one real good purpose which is getting the
multi-track recordings out there.
T.B.
GMAN
>DC wrote:
>>
>> In article <L74M2YQQ4...@reece.net.au>
>> DC <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>> >
>> > GamePro
>> >
>> > .What's most disappointing about "Guitar Hero: Van Halen"
>> > (Amazon.com: http://xrl.us/VanHal ) is that you play as
>> the
>> > older, present-day version of the band members for most of
>> > the game.
>>
>> This franchise should be renamed "Guitar Homo"
>
>ooh, how clever. did you see how he did that? changed 'hero' to 'homo'
>for comedy effect?
>
GMAN
>
>"GMAN" <Winnie...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>news:phwYm.195946$Td3.1...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>> In article <UPednc-Pwaw6EK_W...@giganews.com>, "The Mighty
>> T.B." <xoxo...@unknownaddress.com> wrote:
>>>"GMAN" wrote:
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>>>
>>>> What do you expect when all so called creative and song choice was made
>>>> by
>>>> Wolfgang????
>>>
>>>Honestly, the Van Halen picks are perfect. None of that Van Hagar
>>>nancy-boy
>>>crap. And as far as the additional songs, I'm sure that was part of the
>>>deal for the game that a bunch of other tunes had to be backloaded onto
>>>the
>>>game.
>>>
>>>T.B.
>>>
>> But its very obvious Wolfgang has shit for brains when it comes to musical
>> taste.
>>
>> And if it werent for that Hagar nancy boy stuff in the late 80's, Van
>> halen
>> would have vanished into oblivion.
>
>Really? We're you even alive then?
>
>
Bet i am older than you. Been around since the 60's
>>
>>
>> Oh wait, they already have.
>
>Wow. They're alive and kicking. Clearly you have placed what would be your
>opinion into the what you think is fact.
>
Name me one person who wants to go see a trio of alchoholics and a duchebag
named Wolfgange in concert?. This isnt the van halen i remember
The Mighty T.B.
(snip)
>>Wow. They're alive and kicking. Clearly you have placed what would be your
>>opinion into the what you think is fact.
>>
>
> Name me one person who wants to go see a trio of alchoholics and a
> duchebag
> named Wolfgange in concert?. This isnt the van halen i remember
Apparently 1.6 million people thought they were worth seeing on their last
tour which grossed $147.8 million dollars which also made the tour Van
Halen's most profitable tour in the band's history.
BTW, you sure whine a lot for someone supposedly in their late 40's. Are
you some old broad going through menopause?
T.B.
Paul Heslop
ah bless, another gay joke. and me being an old granddad too. oh well,
me secret is out :O)
GMAN
AGENT47
the most influential, original, and talented rock guitarists of the
20th century.
As a guitarist myself for almost 30yrs I can attest the guy has some
of the most influential widely used licks today.
Don't know about the game I hate 'fake' guitar games , but hey
whatever makes people happy.
As a musician Edward Van Halen is one of the most relevant musicians
in the history of both rock and classical guitar.
GMAN
most peoples minds way before Eddie gets mentioned.
The Mighty T.B.
>>Second to only Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen was undoubtedly one of
>>the most influential, original, and talented rock guitarists of the
>>20th century.
>>
>>As a guitarist myself for almost 30yrs I can attest the guy has some
>>of the most influential widely used licks today.
>>
>>Don't know about the game I hate 'fake' guitar games , but hey
>>whatever makes people happy.
>>
>>As a musician Edward Van Halen is one of the most relevant musicians
>>in the history of both rock and classical guitar.
>>
>>
> Yet you rarely see him mentioned anywhere anymore. Jimmy Page comes to
> mind in
> most peoples minds way before Eddie gets mentioned.
I'd dispute that to a point. Most of that stems from (Eddie) Van Halen's
soap opera bullshit overshadowing their musical output especially the last
15 years. Page has kept what little personal drama he's had completely out
of the mainstream media and Led Zeppelin's legacy has never been tarnished
with reunions, multiple frontmen and so on like Van Halen's has been.
But you ask anyone with even a cursory knowledge of rock guitar, Eddie Van
Halen is *still* indisputably in the top 5 greatest, most influential
guitarist in the history of rock n' roll *despite* he and his band's
personal antics. He was really the last true original innovator who brought
something new to the instrument. The video game obsessed kiddies may not
have any clue, but just about everyone else does.
T.B.
RKRM
"AGENT47" <ks...@4email.net> wrote in message
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Know what else? His brother Alex is a MONSTER drummer. In fact Alex Van
Haken IS the Eddie Van Halen of drums. Not to Mention DLR. These guys still
have it too. I saw their last tour and they were great. Check it:
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Alex_Van_Halen.html
AGENT47
>
> - Show quoted text -
I see him all the time, especially in Guitar mags.
Eddie is one of the nicest guys on the planet , try to find just one
video on youtube where he is being a jerk.
Eddie is always smiling always friendly.
I had the chance to meet him a one of his 5150 amp promotions and he
was very nice to everyone there.
I've followed Eddie from when I was 7 yrs old , he is a genuine guy.
David Lee Roth is the one who's a dick , his outlandish front man
attitude clashes with Eddies somewhat quiet reserved nature,
Ironically this is a match made in heaven musically , as I love the
Roth years with Eddie.
Eddie has been very innovative in the design of the guitar as well
always tinkering with his own guitars he has led the redesigning of
modern guitar as we know it.
I don't think there's a guitarist out there would wouldn't give their
left nut to have such a distinctive sound as Eddie does.
There have been many many copycats , but I still haven't found anyone
to get Eddie's 'brown sound' down to a T, many have come close ,many
imitators.
But ED broke allot of barriers for guitarmanship.
I remember getting diver down day one of release and listening to
"Cathedrals".
Blew my mind, we we're trying to figure out what that was?
Was is a violin?
An Oboe?
Some sort of flute instrument?
It was Eddies guitar.
Back then we didn't have youtube step by step guitar tabs and
instructions, back then we had to figure out "How the hell is Eddie
getting that sound"
That's probably Eddie's legacy is his unique one of kind sound, that
really after all is said and done , does not rely on effects only but
actual slight variations in the way Eddie uses is hand.
Take a look "Ain't Talking Bout Love " intro...
I tried for years to get the same sound as Eddie on the intro , copied
his effects layout but something was missing.
After looking at posters of Eddie I noticed he was holding his pick in
his middle finger/thumb while I was using pointer finger/ thumb.
If you notice when you use your thumb/middle finger your side palm
rests a little deeper on the strings which gives you a slightly more
percussive deep aka "brownish sound".
there are many more little hand movements Ed does that only he can
achieve the sound.
It's a shame he fell into Meth and alcohol addiction, and made some
bad choices on front man singers.
But Eddie is still one the best guitarists the world has ever known if
only second to Hendrix with Page rounding out 3rd position.
Page was the better songwriter and overall musician but he used well
known Blues scales and alternate tuning already on the table , in a
sense he brought allot of old blues styles and scale phrasing etc.
But Eddie completely rewrote the book , revolutionized the sound of
guitar and brought so many new techniques to the guitar players
handbook.
Eddie is one of the best Guitar Hero's of all time, second only to
Hendrix .
Tom
wrote:
I think that's a huge stretch to say Eddie is in the top 5 influential
and greatest in the history of that genre. I can name quite a few who
have had much more influence on rock and roll and are among the
greatest ever. I don't think I would even mention Eddie in the same
breath as Page. Don't get me wrong, he is an awesome guitarist, but to
put him the setting you mention, nah.
AGENT47
>
> - Show quoted text -
I would , for one , Eddie introduced so many new play styles to the
guitar players handbook ,much like Hendrix did.
Page is probably the best overall player in terms of songwriting and
'group' playing. Page is a heavily schooled musician and using many
well know scales and blues phrases already well known to the guitar
world.
If I was stuck on an Island and had to pick one group it would be Led
Zeppelin by far.
But one has to remember while Page as awesome as he is , he was using
a playstyle already well know.
It was his composition and not to mention he's surrounded by very
talented well schooled musicians.
Eddie by contrast never knew how to read music and was self taught for
the majority of his career.
From a guitar players standpoint its hard for me to even think of a
world without Page and Eddie Van Halen.
Eddie had that natural progression of style of sound , while Page drew
heavily from his well trained school taught musicianship.
Eddie played truly from the heart without reliance on knowing what
proper scales to put with certain notes, Eddie much like Hendrix
played by ear without formal musical training. At the time of
Ed's ,many groundbreaking guitar revelations were done without knowing
how to read one note of music.
Sometimes I hear players that are 'too schooled' there's a point where
you lose the heart of the sound of guitar by playing guitar by the
book.
Just look at modern day Japan where there are dime a dozen Yngwie
Malmsteen clones all playing at lightning speed and scales at what
seem like speed of light.
But they have something missing , heart , soul of music .
The players all start to sound the same , but when Eddie came along so
long ago in the 70's there was no other player on the planet that had
the playstyle or the technical ability of Eddie.
To think of Eddie of anything less than one of the most influential
guitarists of all time is someone seriously lacking in musical
'knowledge'.
At one point you could say it is personal opinion , but the facts
support Eddie as being one of the most influential guitarist of all
time.
Being a long time guitarist myself Eddie was the most influential of
my generation along with Page , Clapton, Hendrix, I even loved early
Malmsteen.
Even though there are a dozen Malmsteen clones that can play faster
they mess up on little touches here and there that don't have the same
feeling and note articulation as him. Same with Eddie , just about
everyone can tap now, but Eddie revolutionized the guitarists handbook
and practically re-wrote it.
Eddie like Hendrix taught us you don't need to stick to scales or to
have proper alignment of notes , but play with heart and feeling .
One could argue both Hendrix and Eddie 'invented' new styles, the
facts certainly support it.
Eddie is a Guitarists' national treasure.
Page is a legend and so is Eddie.
The alMIGHTY N
Which is not to say that Eddie Van Halen is *not* one of the most
influential guitarists of all time. If you look on any list from any
reputable source, Van Halen will always be there (and usually pretty
high up).
The alMIGHTY N
Or not...
Number 70 on this list from a few years back...
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time/37
The alMIGHTY N
Rolling Stone magazine seems to think there are 69 guitarists better
than Van Halen...
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time/37
My man Jack White didn't do too bad considering how relatively short a
time he's been on the scene...
It's appalling, though, that Billie Joe Armstrong didn't make it up
there... ;-)
GMAN
>"GMAN" wrote:
>
>>>Second to only Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen was undoubtedly one of
>>>the most influential, original, and talented rock guitarists of the
>>>20th century.
>>>
>>>As a guitarist myself for almost 30yrs I can attest the guy has some
>>>of the most influential widely used licks today.
>>>
>>>Don't know about the game I hate 'fake' guitar games , but hey
>>>whatever makes people happy.
>>>
>>>As a musician Edward Van Halen is one of the most relevant musicians
>>>in the history of both rock and classical guitar.
>>>
>>>
>> Yet you rarely see him mentioned anywhere anymore. Jimmy Page comes to
>> mind in
>> most peoples minds way before Eddie gets mentioned.
>
>I'd dispute that to a point. Most of that stems from (Eddie) Van Halen's
>soap opera bullshit overshadowing their musical output especially the last
>15 years. Page has kept what little personal drama he's had completely out
>of the mainstream media and Led Zeppelin's legacy has never been tarnished
>with reunions, multiple frontmen and so on like Van Halen's has been.
>
Exactly, too many people have had it with Eddies drama queen bullshit and
alchoholic fits.
Ever wonder why that is that VH has had multiple frontmen? Eddie keeps driving
them away with his bullshit.
GMAN
>On Dec 27, 7:11=A0pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
>> In article <7cda4759-2d96-43ed-b737-dc93e15b0...@s3g2000yqs.googlegroups.=
>com>, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Second to only Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen was undoubtedly one of
>> >the most influential, original, and talented rock guitarists of the
>> >20th century.
>>
>> >As a guitarist myself for almost 30yrs I can attest the guy has some
>> >of the most influential widely used licks today.
>>
>> >whatever makes people happy.
>>
>> >As a musician Edward Van Halen is one of the most relevant musicians
>> >in the history of both rock and classical guitar.
>>
>nd in
>> most peoples minds way before Eddie gets mentioned.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I see him all the time, especially in Guitar mags.
>
>Eddie is one of the nicest guys on the planet , try to find just one
>video on youtube where he is being a jerk.
>
>Eddie is always smiling always friendly.
>
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.
php/2006/09/14/eddie-van-halen-goes-bananas-on-howard-stern-the-full-highlight
s/
>I had the chance to meet him a one of his 5150 amp promotions and he
>was very nice to everyone there.
>
>I've followed Eddie from when I was 7 yrs old , he is a genuine guy.
>
>David Lee Roth is the one who's a dick , his outlandish front man
>attitude clashes with Eddies somewhat quiet reserved nature,
>
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.
php/2007/09/04/fired-van-halen-bassist-i-found-out-on-the-internet/
>Ironically this is a match made in heaven musically , as I love the
>Roth years with Eddie.
>
>Eddie has been very innovative in the design of the guitar as well
>always tinkering with his own guitars he has led the redesigning of
>modern guitar as we know it.
>
Duct Tape
>I don't think there's a guitarist out there would wouldn't give their
>left nut to have such a distinctive sound as Eddie does.
Eddie didnt invent the two hand tap playstyle.
eddie above Page, Bwahahahaha.
The Mighty T.B.
(snip)
Rolling Stone magazine seems to think there are 69 guitarists better
than Van Halen...
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time/37
My man Jack White didn't do too bad considering how relatively short a
time he's been on the scene...
It's appalling, though, that Billie Joe Armstrong didn't make it up
there... ;-)
+++++++++
I'd hope you're being sarcastic, using *any* Rolling Stone poll to back up
rankings of musicians, bands or albums.
T.B.
AGENT47
>
> My man Jack White didn't do too bad considering how relatively short a
> time he's been on the scene...
>
> It's appalling, though, that Billie Joe Armstrong didn't make it up
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well that list is seriously debatable.
I mean in terms of originality and not copying from a another players
style , they list Stevie Ray Vaughn Who is awesome and a big influence
to me , I played everyone of his albums front back sideways up and
down , but he is nothing more than a fantastic Hendrix clone.
Even he said that himself, in terms of bringing something new
innovative to the table he did nothing more than copy another cats
sound and play style.
Eddie on the other invented his own style , that Rollingstone list has
some pretty big errors and I've known they've been in trouble since
they've changed crew over there, I haven't kept up with the political
side of R.Stone but they lost allot of credibility in the musicians
world.
The list is certainly far from what you originally said Van Halen has
no relevance and then you post a list of 100 greatest guitarist of all
time and Eddy is on that list.
Wouldn't being on a list of 100 greatest of all time categorize him
as "relevent" even if he isn't some editors top pick.
Sort of a google whore if you ask me , just find something that agrees
with your 'current' point of view.
JACK MOTHERFUCKIN WHITE?
He is good my cousin's introduced me to him before they did there 2nd
album , he's a good player , but nothing unusual about his style I
could teach that style to someone who wanted to learn pretty quick.
He actually uses what I used when I started playing and its a '
goto' for my own playing is "if the note is not in pitch , BEND THE
DAMN THING TILL IT IS"
And he used 'alternate' tuning , nothing new "wow he used bass string"
That was something Eddie did in the early 70's
this in short is Hendrix's legacy he would bend manipulate notes far
as possible until they were in-tune with what was being played.
The advantageousness of this is you can just about hit any not on the
neck of the guitar and bend it till its pitched right.
Jimi Hendrix used it with abandon
Though rarely discussed, one of the most distinctive aspects of Van
Halen's sound was Eddie Van Halen's tuning of the guitar. Before Van
Halen, most distorted, metal-oriented rock consciously avoided the use
of the major third interval in guitar chords, creating instead the
signature power chord of the genre. When run through a distorted
amplifier, the rapid beating of the major third on a conventionally
tuned guitar is distracting and somewhat dissonant.
Van Halen developed a technique of flattening his B string slightly so
that the interval between the open G and B reaches a justly intonated,
beatless third. This consonant third was almost unheard of in
distorted-guitar rock and allowed Van Halen to use major chords in a
way that mixed classic hard rock power with "happy" pop. The effect is
pronounced on songs such as "Runnin' With the Devil", "Unchained", and
"Where Have All the Good Times Gone?".
With the B string flattened the correct amount, chords in some
positions on the guitar have more justly intonated thirds, but in
other positions the flat B string creates out-of-tune intervals.
And Eddie's help in designing with the improved vibrato unit,
Van Halen was able to forge a whole new level of musical expression
with the vibrato unit, expanding greatly on techniques developed by
earlier players such as Jimi Hendrix. His music incorporated a vast
array of never-before-heard guitar sounds, such as shrieks, growls,
dive-bombs, chirps, squeals and grunts.
Van Halen went on to collaborate with Floyd Rose on improvements to
Rose's device. Among Van Halen's suggestions were the supplemental
(fine) tuner knobs on the vibrato unit itself which allow the player
to fine-tune the pitch of the guitar after the locking nut was
engaged: these fine-tuners are now a feature on virtually all such
vibrato systems.
Jack Black is awesome , but he borrows allot from other players and
uses a simple chord phrase and note bending.
Certainly good but not "INDIVIDUAL" in style in terms of "greatest of
all time"
You see this is the problem with the current generation of "retard
ears"
They don't know what a good guitar player is anymore.
And Jack Morello ??WTF?
He's awesome too , but look at his chord structure and solos??
Simple one string three notes with tons of effects?
WTF?
Greatest of all time?
In terms of bringing a new sound and new playstyle those guys I just
mentioned Eddie certainly brought that.
Wow , amazing list
The Mighty T.B.
(snip)
(snip)
As I originally mentioned, the multi track files are really the only cool
thing about the Guitar Hero games worth anything to those interested in the
music itself. Here's a few guitar only tracks ripped from the files that
perfectly illustrate just how innovative Eddie Van Halen was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKMyp4cmUs&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91zPg4f2K0g&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdflys0LqFs&feature=channel
T.B.
AGENT47
NO CHET ATKINS??? List is bogus beyond all doubt
No steve vai
This song should be learned by every guitar player on the planet!
No Joe Satriani? WTF? You know that guy who teached Kirk Hammet #11
guitar and Steve Vai..lol What a fucking joke of a list
No Alex Lifeson from RUSH?
Not many guitarists like this
WTF?
No Yngwie Malmsteen? He invented the neoclassical genre , pretty
fucking EPIC if you ask me, just ask any japanese guitar wizard who
his biggest influence is and this guy will come up, yeah yeah he's an
ecotistical dick by all accounts but I met him in person at a guitar
demo workshop shook his hand he was the nicest guy in person, no BS
just loves to talk guitar
No Vinnie Moore?
The acoustic intro to this song is guitarist perfection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4sIQyRFcEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1IbXEqx4xs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_iOZtdZzA
Wow after scouring the net the Rollingstone list is a shame , the list
a travesty beyond all measure while they got Hendrix right, but the
rest is seriously up for debate.
Wow kids these days...lol
Put down the G-Damn fake guitar already bunch of pansies..lol
RollingStone should be burned to the ground.
That list has serious flaws with simple 3 chord brain dead licks
topping the list , wow and many on the net are upset as I am.
In terms of 'bringing new things to the guitarists table' the fact
they left the great Chet Atkins off the list who could outplay just
about everyone on that list without holding a pick is a travesty.
Eddy's licks
AND MORE MISSING FROM THE LIST PROOF THAT A RETARD MADE THIS LIST
Andres Segovia
Charlie Christian
Django Reinhardt
Julian Bream
Wes Montgomery
Joe Maphis
John Williams
Allan Holdsworth
Alex Lifeson
Al Di Meola
Larry Carlton
Paco De Lucia
Adrian Belew
Michael Hedges
Uli Roth
Eric Johnson
Andy Summers
Bill Frisell
Junior Brown
And Oh yeah John Motherfucking Lennon? heard of him? I think his
guitar arangements might've influenced a few people.
WOW shoot me now
Jack White is listworthy, but his positioning helps make the list
itself (as any subjective ranking would be, I guess) useless. What is
with this need RS seems to have to fold more modern performers into
the top tiers of these best-ever lists, anyway? Is it merely a ploy to
keep the teens and 20somethings happy? I mean, it's too bad that the
young'uns don't have a Hendrix of their generation (yet, and he's just
an example), but Hendrix is as much theirs as old people's. The shame
is that some clueless tween will believe this ranking is truthful.
When a so called 'music' magazine has this on their cover , no list
they make get's much credit with me .
I'd do em both sideways to sunday but still you gotta LOL
No Randy Rhodes? GASP I get more mad the more I look at the list...
You know that guy who wrote Crazy Train.. wow just fucking wow, YEAH
ozzy sang but RR wrote the famous guitar lick he brought many
classical influences to the rock guitar genre
Nobody from Iron Maiden OMGFG!!!!! The dual harmonic guitar masters of
metal Holy Effin Shit !!
AGENT47
wrote:
WOW glad I got to hear them before they get pulled, epicness.
AGENT47
AGENT47
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> My man Jack White didn't do too bad considering how relatively short a
> time he's been on the scene...
>
> It's appalling, though, that Billie Joe Armstrong didn't make it up
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Well that list is seriously debatable.
JACK MOTHERFUCKIN WHITE?
Jack White is awesome , but he borrows allot from other players and
Tom
"AGENT47" <ks...@4email.net> wrote in message
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See, I think it still a stretch by any words used here. It's one thing to
think and be a fan of Eddie, that's OK, but totally another to put him in
that category as a reality. When you said only Hendrix would be in front of
Eddie, I almost soiled myself. I don't know how old you are, but there are
many more that have had an impact on R&R than Eddie would ever have. I say
this not because I am a fan more on some than I am on Eddie, but just
looking at history. Name one aspect where Eddie has made an impact on style.
After VH's first two albums, they essentially started to fade and they ended
it with that disaster album "1984". Most bigger name groups put out quality
after quality releases during their years of existence.
Popularity isn't the only qualitative aspect of being an influence, having
style and recognition of that is just a few, and Eddie wasn't all that
recognized by a large group that would fit into the "best ever".
AGENT47
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1984 Disaster Album?
You have to remember when Eddie came on the scene there was no other
guitarists save for Henrdrix that had the squeals, screeches that
Eddie had.
As a kid buying his every new album we musicians would sit and listen
to 'how the hell did he get that sound?"
Eddie brought a completely new sound to the guitarists handbook ,and
anyone debating this is seriously lacking in musical composition and
know-how.
Just listen to "Cathedrals" http://lala.com/zQIK and tell me that
sounds like someone else? Name another guitar player with that sound?
This doesn't even sound like a guitar , Imagine trying to figure this
out without YouTube .
1978 was along time ago in the guitar world you have to remember what
Eddie brought to the table in the early 70's was massively ground
breaking on so many levels.
Only a musical fool would not know this , opinion is one thing , but
looking as Eddie's work note for note he is among the very best and
should be in the top 10 of every "best ever" list.
I've been around for 40yrs and been to many guitar workshops many
music stores and Eddie is revered as a legend.
Anybody without this knowledge needs to have his ears checked .
I know there are many many lists with Eddie in the top ten.
The fact that Jack White is at #17 makes the list null and void IMO.
And IKE TURNER is even on the list?
ARE YA fuckin serious?
Nick Soapdish, Jr.
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On the subject of finger-tapping, Eddie Van Halen was actually not the
first to do it. Robert Fripp of King Crimson was known to utilize it
sometime around 1969-1970, and Steve Hackett of Genesis did it on
songs from both Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot at the dawn of the 1970s.
Van Halen did popularize it, and move it out of that prog-rock context
into a mainstream hard-rock context. That being said, there is more
to Eddie Van Halen than finger-tapping. He did have a very seat-of-
the-pants style of playing, like he was on the edge of losing control,
but never doing so. Definitely a huge influence in music.
AGENT47
http://www.xtrememusician.com/info/artists/profiles/107.html
Second to only Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen was undoubtedly one of
the most influential, original, and talented rock guitarists of the
20th century.
http://music.aol.com/artist/eddie-van-halen/biography/1111229
EVH #9 -
Sure Led Zeppelin introduced the word 'heavy' to rock, but whereas
Jimmy Page's guitar style was cast from the British Blues invasion
mold, guitarist Eddie Van Halen would introduce a totally new sound to
lover's of hard rock and heavy metal. A blinding guitar virtuoso, Van
Halen turned the guitar world on its ear in 1979 with his
unconventional technique of two handed tapping on the guitar's
fretwork.
http://www.concertlivewire.com/top10in.htm
Spike TV held their third annual Spike TV “Guys Choice” last weekend.
Winners were announced Saturday night at the Sony Studios in Los
Angeles.
Eddie Van Halen, in the a rare public appearance, was brought to tears
as he accepted the first annual “Guitar God Award” for his years of
shredding on the six stringed axe. Robert Downey Jr. presented Eddie
the award.
Spike TV’s viewers decided each winner, making Eddie Van Halen the
“people’s choice” once again (Guitar World’s readers recently voted
him Best Rock Guitarist of 2008).
http://www.vhnd.com/2009/06/01/eddie-van-halen-accepts-spike-tvs-guitar-god-award/
The readers of the best selling guitar magazine in the world, Guitar
World, recently voted Eddie Van Halen the “Best Rock Guitarist of
2008″ in the 15th Annual Guitar World Readers Poll. Eddie won by a
landslide, receiving nearly seven times as many votes as the runner
up, Angus Young.
We mention this poll because it’s not just another meaningless list
written by some random music critic. Rather, this is a case where the
people have spoken, voting Eddie Van Halen as their favorite guitarist
for the umpteenth time. He remains hugely popular after 30 years.
Quite impressive!
The poll was conducted at the end of 2008 and the results were printed
in the April 2009 issue of Guitar World.
Congratulations, Eddie Van Halen! Best Rock Guitarist, indeed.
http://www.vhnd.com/2009/05/21/eddie-van-halen-voted-best-rock-guitarist-by-guitar-world-readers/
Van Halen is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records with the
most number one hits on the Billboard Mainstream Rock List. According
to the Recording Industry Association of America Van Halen is #19 on
the list of Top Selling Artists of all time (having sold more than 56
million albums in the U.S.). Van Halen is one of five rock groups that
have had 2 albums sell more than 10 million albums in the U.S. (the
others being: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Eagles and Def Leppard).
The fiery fretwork of Eddie Van Halen, often imitated, but never
duplicated, revolutionized rock guitar placing him alongside such
luminaries as Hendrix, Clapton and Page. Soon, a legion of budding
guitarists were driven to pick up the instrument attempting to
replicate the finger-tapping technique he made famous.
http://www.guitarworld.com/van_halen
Guitar God. In every concert he plays, the fans chant his name.
"Eddie! Eddie! Eddie!" He is one of the most respected and loved
guitar players of his generation, and is now mentioned among the
greats like Eric Clapton and Jimmi Hendrix.
http://oralcancerfoundation.org/people/eddie_van_halen.htm
“Eruption” second best guitar solo ever, according to Guitar World
2) “Eruption” (Eddie Van Halen) - Van Halen Van Halen, 1978
It is hard to imagine a more appropriately titled piece of music than
Edward Van Halen’s solo guitar showcase, “Eruption.” When the wildly
innovative instrumental was released in 1978, hit the rock guitar
community like a hydrogen bomb. Two-handed tapping, gonzo whammy bar
dips, artificial harmonics—with Van Halen’s masterly application of
these and other techniques, “Eruption” made every other six-stringer
look like a third-stringer. It's funny to call them artificial
harmonics when there done solely by Ed's hands and not an effects
pedal.
Van Halen on the Cover of Guitar World's 30th Anniversary Issue
http://www.evhgear.com/news/index.php?display_article=13
Classically trained pianist and riveting guitarist Eddie Van Halen is
one of the most influential and innovative rock guitarists of the 20th
Century. His unique tuning and playing technique changed the way many
musicians viewed instrumental tone and the capabilities of the
electric guitar, and his technique is unrivaled by any in his
generation of guitarists.
http://www.guitar-4u.com/guitarists/Van-Halen-guitarist.php
Eddie Van Halen took electric guitar technique to new heights with his
patented two-handed tapping and pull-off effects,
http://www.classicvanhalen.com/bios.shtml
With their 1978 eponymous debut, Van Halen simultaneously re-wrote the
rules for rock guitar and hard rock in general. Guitarist Eddie Van
Halen redefined what electric guitar could do, developing a blindingly
fast technique with a variety of self-taught two-handed tapping,
hammer-ons, pull-offs, and effects that mimicked the sound of machines
and animals. It was wildly inventive and over-the-top
http://www.guitarsite.com/bands2.htm
Rock icon Eddie Van Halen has created an indestructible new guitar
http://www.timessquaregossip.com/2009/02/eddie-van-halen-invents-new-guitar.html
"Anytime Eddie does something, it's still a big deal," says Matt
Blackett, associate editor at Guitar Player magazine. "He's the Jimi
Hendrix of our generation, and certainly the most influential guitar
gear guy of the last 30 years."
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-01-05-van-halen-guitar_N.htm
In the annals of rock guitar, Eddie van Halen is an absolute giant. As
influential as Hendrix, he is one of the most ridiculously talented
guitarists ever.Re-defining rock guitar in the late 70’s and through
the 80’s, Eddie popularized 2 handed tapping and was one of the first
guitarists to really utilize Floyd Rose style tremolos. His speed,
control, and command of natural and artificial harmonics has been an
inspiration to millions of guitarists. His instrumental piece
“Eruption” is considered one of the greatest guitar solos of all time,
and his guitar tone (often referred to as the “Brown Sound”) is still
one of the richest and most distinctive ever recorded.
http://www.guitarinstructionreviews.com/articles/?p=159
It is Eddie Van Halen's instinctive ability to contrast virtuosity
with simplicity that makes him a guitar genius. His unerring use of
tremolo in his picking and his penchant for guitar tapping have made
him a legend.
http://www.articlesbase.com/music-articles/van-halen-guitar-solos-551425.html
Nick Soapdish, Jr.
>
> No Randy Rhodes? GASP I get more mad the more I look at the list...
>
> You know that guy who wrote Crazy Train.. wow just fucking wow, YEAH
> ozzy sang but RR wrote the famous guitar lick he brought many
> classical influences to the rock guitar genre
>
> http://lala.com/zj2K
>
> http://lala.com/zd7H
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> http://lala.com/zne9
>
> Nobody from Iron Maiden OMGFG!!!!! The dual harmonic guitar masters of
> metal Holy Effin Shit !!
>
> http://lala.com/zlNy
>
> http://lala.com/zbCI
>
> http://lala.com/ztNy
Rolling Stone has little relevancy as far as actual _music_ is
concerned, so the list doesn't come as much of a shock. For every U2
or REM that deserves the accolades Rolling Stone heaps on them, there
are plenty of other bands/musicians who get the shaft because they
aren't considered "musically correct" by the powers that be at RS.
Look at Rush- they have yet to be admitted to the Rock 'n Roll Hall of
Fame because, by his own admission, RS's Jann Wenner has made it his
mission to keep them out. Yet the Young Rascals, who've had all of
what, 2 hits and no long term influence?- they've been admitted for
over a decade. Rolling Stone will gush over some run-of-the-mill
singer-songwriter, but completely savage a promising metal band. For
a publication that revels in calling some musicians "dinosaurs", they
seem oblivious to the irony in them doing that- after all, they are
pretty much a dinosaur of a publication.
The Mighty T.B.
(snip)
> See, I think it still a stretch by any words used here. It's one thing to
> think and be a fan of Eddie, that's OK, but totally another to put him in
> that category as a reality. When you said only Hendrix would be in front
> of Eddie, I almost soiled myself. I don't know how old you are, but there
> are many more that have had an impact on R&R than Eddie would ever have. I
> say this not because I am a fan more on some than I am on Eddie, but just
> looking at history. Name one aspect where Eddie has made an impact on
> style. After VH's first two albums, they essentially started to fade and
> they ended it with that disaster album "1984". Most bigger name groups put
> out quality after quality releases during their years of existence.
>
> Popularity isn't the only qualitative aspect of being an influence, having
> style and recognition of that is just a few, and Eddie wasn't all that
> recognized by a large group that would fit into the "best ever".
Wow. No offense, but you are seriously uninformed about rock guitar history
and where Eddie Van Halen's legacy fits in.
I'd start by correcting you that Van Halen's "1984" album was a *huge* album
for that year, falling only a couple notches behind Michael Jackson's
"Thriller" album. From a sales standpoint, it's right up with VH1 and from
an artistic standpoint, I and most fans would probably rank it just below
VH1 and Fair Warning.
As for influence, if you were around in the early to late 80's virtually
every hard rock guitar player copped some part (or all in many cases) style
from Eddie's playing. Sure, there's plenty of guitarists who play better,
faster, etc and have taken Eddie's style to higher levels, but so-called
shredders like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen and even quirky
players like Adrian Belew would sound and play dramatically different
without Van Halen's influence.
I agree to a point that "popularity isn't the only qualitative aspect of
being an influence," but as someone else in this thread mentioned, there
were other guitarists that used "tapping" as part of their style to some
extent long before Van Halen's first album debuted, but Eddie took that
"trick," expended upon it and incorporated it into songs that got
substantial radio play and attention. It's like a lot of people are amazed
by U2's The Edge's use of elaborate effects on his guitar sound but he's far
from the first player to make his guitar sound like, say... a mosquito - he
just exposed a huge audience to that particular trick through the band's
widely accesible music.
See, the negative thing about Eddie Van Halen's legacy these days is first
off, he's outlived it. By about midway through the Sammy Hagar era at the
end of the 80's going into the 90's, he pretty much ran out of gas as far as
bringing anything new to the instrument that came close to having the impact
his first decade of recording and playing live. Jimmy Page really hasn't
done anything cutting edge since the tail end of his Led Zep years and
again, his legacy is due in large part to the *music* and impact of his
band, not just his playing (which could be incredibly sloppy live).
I'd rate the top 5 rock guitarists based on innovation and influence in this
order:
Jimi Hendrix
Robert Johnson
Jimmy Page
Eddie Van Halen
Eric Clapton/Jeff Beck (tie)
T.B.
AGENT47
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I know he didn't invent finger tapping that is well known , but his
overall style and use of harmonics was unique to the guitarists
handbook.
He certainly revolutionized the guitar as we know it and is to many
guitarists accross the world as among the very best of all
guitarists.
In my generation being a guitarist for over 30yrs , I put Eddie right
up top with Page and Hendrix as the most influential in terms of
everything guitar related sound technique and something new Eddie
certainly brought all of things and he did those outside of the
"teachers" guitar rules, only one other guitarist did that and that
was Hendrix.
Page by default was epic in all regards but he is of the schooled
musician, many of his songs are simple well known scale/note
structures. Example would be "Babe I'm gonna leave you" .
When you look at the guitar from a musicians point of view Eddie
certainly deserves to be at the top of any "best of all time" list.
Anything less is a travesty of justice to the musical community.
Sometimes the kids don't want the truth as much as I love Zeppelin
they "stol.....er uh borrowed" from many musicians, and they did it in
a most excellent fashion on their very first album. They might be the
best 'cover band of all time' but who cares I don't page brought so
much to the table his blatently obvious use of other's people make
sense since he was along time studio musician.
Bottom line is every musician gets ideas from eachother what makes
people unique like Page , Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen is they make them
they're own.
Moreso IMO was Eddie and Hendrix because they went outside of the
chord scales (not always but mostly) and made the note structure their
very own.
The wool is over too many peoples eyes in regards to music these
days , when acts like________ get top billing , with all the sound
coming from a PC drum track and a fake guitar.
AGENT47
and try to copy taking me on a journey to songs of my past where I sat
for hours on end learning new guitar techniques I forgot one of the
greats that should be on any greatest of all time lists.
"Al DiMeola"
This song reminds me of sitting in my bedroom with a 6 pack a tall
stack of cig's and the cool ac blowing.
This needs to be in a GH game
Anybody thinking of learning guitar start here if you dare.
'Mediterranean Sundance'