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'sNiek

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May 2, 2006, 5:31:15 AM5/2/06
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Brilliant artwork, it makes this album historical.

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Niek

bitter_enigma

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May 2, 2006, 6:56:43 AM5/2/06
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In what way historical?

Davesdead666

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May 2, 2006, 6:59:59 AM5/2/06
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Y'know Bitter Enigma, Historical. Like when someone referrs to
something they like as a classic...always to remain as a centre peice
in their collection and I agree!

changey

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May 2, 2006, 7:30:22 AM5/2/06
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"Davesdead666" <satell...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>

>
> Y'know Bitter Enigma, Historical. Like when someone referrs to
> something they like as a classic...always to remain as a centre peice
> in their collection and I agree!
>

Why everyone hasn't killfiled this dweeb is way beyond comprehension. (not
you Dave, the other guy.)


'sNiek

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May 2, 2006, 7:48:50 AM5/2/06
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changey schreef:


Yup, I hope you're not referring to me ;-)

Anyway, what I like about the Aenima/Lateralus/10,000 days
albums-artwork is that it is solely designed for cd's.
Remember the days that the LP's were replaced by CD's: the LP's graphic
designs were translated to the much smaller cd-packages.
Albumcovers like the 3rd Led Zep album or let's say the beatles'
Sergeant Pepper lost that extra magic on the cd-cover.

Tool have proven that the cd-packaging can have their own charme.

And in that way their records are historical, maybe I use the wrong
word. But hey... "me from Holland".

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Niek

Davesdead666

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May 2, 2006, 8:10:52 AM5/2/06
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changey wrote:

Mmmmm. I sensing a joining of two in unison against a posting demon
from beyond..........Good. Gooood! Then let's head down into that
cellar and carve ourselves an Enigma!

changey

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May 2, 2006, 8:27:31 AM5/2/06
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"'sNiek" <niek...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> changey schreef:
>> "Davesdead666" <satell...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1146567599.5...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Y'know Bitter Enigma, Historical. Like when someone referrs to
>>> something they like as a classic...always to remain as a centre peice
>>> in their collection and I agree!
>>>
>>
>> Why everyone hasn't killfiled this dweeb is way beyond comprehension.
>> (not you Dave, the other guy.)

>
> Yup, I hope you're not referring to me ;-)

certainly not.


>
> Anyway, what I like about the Aenima/Lateralus/10,000 days albums-artwork
> is that it is solely designed for cd's.
> Remember the days that the LP's were replaced by CD's: the LP's graphic
> designs were translated to the much smaller cd-packages.
> Albumcovers like the 3rd Led Zep album or let's say the beatles' Sergeant
> Pepper lost that extra magic on the cd-cover.
>
> Tool have proven that the cd-packaging can have their own charme.

And like my boss said, if more bands offered something unique with their
packaging, perhaps it would slow down pirating a little.


>
> And in that way their records are historical, maybe I use the wrong word.
> But hey... "me from Holland".

That just means you are too stoned to know any better.

'sNiek

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May 2, 2006, 8:53:21 AM5/2/06
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changey schreef:

> "'sNiek" <niek...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:44574722$1...@news.interstroom.nl...
>> changey schreef:
>>> "Davesdead666" <satell...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1146567599.5...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Y'know Bitter Enigma, Historical. Like when someone referrs to
>>>> something they like as a classic...always to remain as a centre peice
>>>> in their collection and I agree!
>>>>
>>> Why everyone hasn't killfiled this dweeb is way beyond comprehension.
>>> (not you Dave, the other guy.)
>
>> Yup, I hope you're not referring to me ;-)
>
> certainly not.
>
>
>> Anyway, what I like about the Aenima/Lateralus/10,000 days albums-artwork
>> is that it is solely designed for cd's.
>> Remember the days that the LP's were replaced by CD's: the LP's graphic
>> designs were translated to the much smaller cd-packages.
>> Albumcovers like the 3rd Led Zep album or let's say the beatles' Sergeant
>> Pepper lost that extra magic on the cd-cover.
>>
>> Tool have proven that the cd-packaging can have their own charme.
>
> And like my boss said, if more bands offered something unique with their
> packaging, perhaps it would slow down pirating a little.

The guy working at the shop where I bought the cd said "That's 10 euro
for the cover and 5.99 euro for the cd".

Unlike other cd's the original cover of 10,000 days wasn't available in
the 'racks' (or how do you call it). The guy-in-the-shop said they were
afraid it would get nicked just like the Lateralus and Aenima cover.


>
>> And in that way their records are historical, maybe I use the wrong word.
>> But hey... "me from Holland".
>
> That just means you are too stoned to know any better.

Damn, you caught me.

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Niek

JPM III

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May 2, 2006, 9:17:54 AM5/2/06
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> And like my boss said, if more bands offered something unique with their
> packaging, perhaps it would slow down pirating a little.

Piracy shouldn't stop. Bad music that no one wants to buy should stop. Good
music will still be pirated, but if it's good enough, people will buy it
too. :)


>> And in that way their records are historical, maybe I use the wrong word.
>> But hey... "me from Holland".
>
> That just means you are too stoned to know any better.

And you like mayonnaise.


bitter_enigma

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May 2, 2006, 12:17:15 PM5/2/06
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killfiled? I'll have to remember that one...

I just wanted to clarify what the author meant by "historical" in this
context.
The album artwork is good... but I don't think historical is the right
word for it.

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justin

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May 2, 2006, 3:26:58 PM5/2/06
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the packaging itself is worth the price. even if the album sucks. which
some of it does.

bottom feeder

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May 2, 2006, 4:24:11 PM5/2/06
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changey wrote

>
> And like my boss said, if more bands offered something unique with their
> packaging, perhaps it would slow down pirating a little.
>

*ding ding ding* we have a winnah!

that and bands can stop filling albums with 75% crap.

--
dan

Human

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May 2, 2006, 7:25:10 PM5/2/06
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"bitter_enigma" <bitter...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Historical?
> I think that's the wrong word for it, but yeah...
>
> Sorry, I'm a life-long student of history and to imply that the album
> artwork of an esoteric rock band -as good as they are- is "historical"
> is a bit rich.
>
>

Uhhh.... How about "groundbreaking"? Does that fit your standard?

human

bitter_enigma

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May 3, 2006, 2:00:06 AM5/3/06
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Human wrote:

> Uhhh.... How about "groundbreaking"? Does that fit your standard?
>
> human

It's not the standard of the artwork that bothers me, it's the standard
of vocabulary (or lack there-of).

ryannosaurus

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May 3, 2006, 2:37:08 AM5/3/06
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 11:31:15 +0200, 'sNiek <niek...@netscape.net>
wrote:

>Brilliant artwork, it makes this album historical.

Stereoscopic imagery existed long before you, me, or any member of
Tool. A history lesson would be better context, and a brilliantly
executed lesson at that

The way Adam applied it is both viscerally engaging and comical at the
same time, and I'll undoubtably *look* at it more than any album art
since big fucking LP's went the way of the dinosaur.

That said, the packaging pisses me off in that I'll have to handle the
disc getting it out of that sleeve thing in such ways I'll wear it out
and have to buy it again eventually. And again. Marketing genious at
work.


Mark Shea

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May 3, 2006, 3:39:31 AM5/3/06
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JPM III wrote:

>>>And in that way their records are historical, maybe I use the wrong word.
>>>But hey... "me from Holland".
>>
>>That just means you are too stoned to know any better.
>
> And you like mayonnaise.

That Nandos chip-dip is mostly mayonnaise. That rocks.

Mark Shea

bitter_enigma

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May 3, 2006, 4:09:34 AM5/3/06
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ryannosaurus wrote:

> That said, the packaging pisses me off in that I'll have to handle the
> disc getting it out of that sleeve thing in such ways I'll wear it out
> and have to buy it again eventually. And again. Marketing genious at
> work.

I put the CD in a spare empty case so I wouldn't have to keep taking it
out like that. That is a bit of a flaw with the packaging.

Ooh, a flaw in Tool? Who do I think I am? I should flame myself for
that.

The artwork on this album is not historical. It's good... I spose you
could say it's innovative, daring and a breath of fresh air at this
particular point in time.

But historical is something to do with history... y'know... wars and
presidents and revolutions- complicated shit like that, which you have
to read a book ALL BY YOURSELF(!) to understand and form YOUR OWN
OPINION(!) about. Very much unlike most stuff in this forum.

Katina Choovanski

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May 3, 2006, 1:15:04 PM5/3/06
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In article <1146643774.4...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"bitter_enigma" <bitter...@hotmail.com> wrote:


I'm pretty sure the person who used the word "historical" is not a native
english speaker. and since i, as a native speaker can't think of a word
that means "will be remembered" or "possibly changing the way artists
approach packaging in the future", I'm cutting him some slack, and
guessing that's how he meant it.

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you better shop and eat and procreate
you got vacation days then you might escape
to a condo on the coast

ptr

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May 3, 2006, 2:34:32 PM5/3/06
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bitter_enigma wrote:


> The artwork on this album is not historical. It's good... I spose you
> could say it's innovative, daring and a breath of fresh air at this
> particular point in time.

it's only good, 'cos the rest of the CD's put out these days are plain
and simple boring. noone wants to spend money on packaging anymore.
PTR.

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