twistid & tmbg
burn2shine
from my site, and I have dutifully removed them. The bad news is that
all the EPs are gone. The good news is that DAS stuff remains
untouched. I hope that this issue is resolved now permanately and that
I can work with the band in the future to make sure that I am
appeasing their wishes. I won't try to dissect this list because I am
not in a position to do so, but I'm sure some of you have some
thoughts on what they have had me remove.
Here is a complete list:
I Palindrome I EP
Back To Skull EP
Istanbul EP
Guitar (UK and US) EP
Don't Let's Start EP
O Tannenbaum singles
Factory Showroom outtakes
State Songs
House of Mayors
All Mono Puff
1984 Demo Tape
Live!!! in NY
Flexi Disc songs
What We Did This Summer
All Malcolm In The Middle music
Dr Evil from the Austin Powers soundtrack
I'm Sick of This American Life
25 O'Clock
Feast of Lights from Festival of Lights 2
Particle Man Live at Mountain Stage
One More Parade from Rubaiyat
Sensurround from Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
All music from Brave New World
Adam Varn
http://www.twistid.com/tmbg
The Demonic Kangaroo
aware of what is available on the twistid site (not to mention my own site),
so They could make their own determination as to if They are being ripped
off or not. Of course, I always felt that They were but you knew that
already. For a long time people have been saying, "if They had a problem
with it, something would have been done". Well, now that something has
(finally) been done, I hope that it doesn't negatively affect anyone's
opinion of the band.. after all, TMBG has the right to decide what to do
with their own studio material. Sure, I pointed out the "Smarch" thing to
emusic manager Jim Stabile because I thought he'd like to see how his past
year's work was being parodied.. just thought that people needed a reason to
hate me even more then they already do (not that expected anything to be
donw about it). I'd also like to point out that I was never trying to get
twistid shut down, I only wanted the material that was ripping the band off
to go away. I no longer have any problem with the site, since all the
material They asked to be removed has been. Now if only I could get some
kind of validation for my own MP3 page.
Thomas Zeitner
>kind of validation for my own MP3 page.
>
> -Mike
>www.theymightbegiants.org
>
You got a good site, Mike. I like the cartoon of the Johns.
SHAFT!
wolfie180g
" a friend of mine did this.... I have no artistic talent at all" - mike at
the docushow
on the subject of his shameless self advertisement on the only t-shirt to
leave his sweatshop.
ok tdk, plug the site where they can purchase these advertisements with some
other dudes artwork on the front, maybe even shove some flyers down the
shirts of the ladies here like you did to jenny, or maybe im everyone on
your buddy list a link to the various useless branches of your site.
raise your hand if your fed up with tdk
<raises hand>
wolfie
and now for my advertisement,(hehe) free of intrusive and repeatative site
plugs:
instant message me for some *great* sculptures of the johns heads I have
done, one pair is 4/5ths of a cm long!
lawrence solomon
wolfie180g wrote:
> raise your hand if your fed up with tdk
ooooh, oooh! <raises hand>
but you all probably knew that already.
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acoustical whore
TMBG's interests, and you know what? They don't give a rat's ass about you.
Why don't you concentrate your energy on something productive?
The way I see it, he just couldn't stand the fact that fans were being provided
with these rare bits of music from a source other than himself. So he has to
run and tattle on us. "They have stuff they aren't supposed to have wah wah
wah!" Grow up. It's a power thing. He wants to be the god of all things
TMBG, and when he doesn't have control over something like Twistid, he has to
ruin it for everyone else. Just like he did with the Chopping Block site. Had
to run and tell on all the kids who were looking at it without permission, and
then plays it off like he's on some kind of moral high ground. Give me a
break.
Anyway, thanks for raping Twistid, Mike. Maybe by alienating everyone here,
you really CAN make TMBG your friends!
--
Christine
"I gave a piece to the rock star;
he took the good stuff and ran."
Kaylum
>provided
>with these rare bits of music from a source other than himself. So he has to
>run and tattle on us
Whatever TDK's motives were, the band *does* have a right to at least know
about whatever is being done with their material, don't you think?
> Just like he did with the Chopping Block site. Had
>to run and tell on all the kids who were looking at it without permission,
>and
>then plays it off like he's on some kind of moral high ground
I thought The Chopping Block removed that stuff when their site suddenly
started receiving a ton of hits. They didn't need anyone to tell on us to see
that.
Kay
Bryce
> Now if only I could get some kind of validation for
> my own MP3 page.
Here you go:
<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cybercomm.net%2F%7Etdk%2Ftmbgsounds.html&doctype=HTML+4.01+Transitional>
:) Also, before I forget, Happy New Year to all of you newsgroupies.
Bryce
The Demonic Kangaroo
wanted to do was to make sure TMBG was aware that They were getting ripped
off. I know you don't think that this was the case, but I don't think can
argue with the fact that really, only TMBG has the right to decide that. So
the way you see it, as long as TMBG isn't aware of the site everything is
fine.. you don't think it's hurting them so let's not let them find out just
in case They might mind. Well, fuck that.. I respect the band too much.
I'm sorry I had to alienate you, Christine along with everyone else.
-Mike
Andy Knox
I like to consider you a pretty close friend. So dude, stop beoing a
hypocrite.
If you want to discuss this further I'll gladly take it away from the NG.
I'm not discussing it any further here but I think you know what I'm talking
about.
-Andy
burn2shine
Gee TDK, what about the Planet of the Apes tracks from STD? Or the Malcolm
music on your brothers site?
I've asked you to remove them now that I had to do the same but you seem to
be ignoring my question in our email replies. Are you going to take them
down or not?
Adam Varn
http://www.twistid.com/tmbg
burn2shine
Gee TDK, what about the Planet of the Apes tracks from STD? Or the Malcolm
burn2shine
Gee TDK, what about the Planet of the Apes stuff from STD? or the
Malcolm stuff from your brothers site? I mean, I know that you know I
have asked you to take that down since I have had to do the same, but
you seem to be ignoring my request in our email conversations. Are you
going to do it or not?
Adam Varn
burn2shine
http://www.twistid.com/tmbg
lawrence solomon
the point, TDK, is *NOT* whether it's right or wrong, or whether anyone is
getting ripped off. and you keep missing that point because you, like so many
zealots, are blind to anything that doesn't quite relate to *YOUR* point.
They Might Be Giants are not *your* band. You have no stake in anything that
happens with them or anything they do. Whether or not they are getting
"ripped off," as you say, has no impact on your life. (not to mention the
last time I tried "discussing" this with you, the only argument you seemed to
be able to make was that it's disrespectful to rip them off, and that it's
ripping them off because it's disrespectful. nice argument)
I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend TMBG on these things, or why you
feel it necessary to email people about every little thing fans do that you
disagree with - like NBC about someone posting a snippet of the Conan
appearance, or the Chopping Block about what they had accidentally served
publicly on their website - true, we weren't supposed to have access to it,
but on the internet, you're responsible for your own security, and they
screwed up. why was it *your* responsibility to change that? we weren't
hurting anyone.
a few words come to mind when I think about you, which is not often,
thankfully. "obsessive." "antisocial." "stalker." you have gone beyond the
point where any reasonable fan should be, and you've somehow gotten it into
your head that you are close personal friends with TMBG, and must also be
their sworn protector. there are people out there who are trained and paid to
help people through feelings like this, before they cause harm to the people
they claim to love and support so much. perhaps you should look into it.
if you want to be totally alone and friendless in the world of TMBG (which, as
far as I can tell, is the only world you live in) all because you think it's
your job and your business to make sure no one hears any of their music that
they shouldn't hear, then I guess we can't do anything to change your mind.
but I'd say that *most* people would choose friends over what really amounts
to a tiny ethical "issue."
Kaylum
writes:
>the point, TDK, is *NOT* whether it's right or wrong, or whether anyone is
>getting ripped off. and you keep missing that point because you, like so
>many
>zealots, are blind to anything that doesn't quite relate to *YOUR* point.
Actually, that is exactly the point. TMBG are a *very* generous band both with
their time and talent. They aren't Metallica, out to persecute anyone who
copies and distributes their music illegally, but they do have the right to
ask that it be stopped when they find out about it. Whatever your views on
filesharing in general, I don't see how anyone who truly considers themselves a
fan of the band can argue with that.
>They Might Be Giants are not *your* band. You have no stake in anything that
>happens with them or anything they do. Whether or not they are getting
>"ripped off," as you say, has no impact on your life. (not to mention the
>last time I tried "discussing" this with you, the only argument you seemed to
>be able to make was that it's disrespectful to rip them off, and that it's
>ripping them off because it's disrespectful. nice argument)
As I said in another post, TDK's motivation isn't the issue here, but that's
what everyone seems to be focusing on.
>I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend TMBG on these things, or why you
>feel it necessary to email people about every little thing fans do that you
>disagree with - like NBC about someone posting a snippet of the Conan
>appearance, or the Chopping Block about what they had accidentally served
>publicly on their website - true, we weren't supposed to have access to it,
>but on the internet, you're responsible for your own security, and they
>screwed up. why was it *your* responsibility to change that? we weren't
>hurting anyone.
I agree that us having access to the Chopping Block artwork was harmless, but
again, that's not the point. Sometimes it's not so harmless...for example,
it's emusic's responsiblity to secure the tmbg unlimited material, which they
haven't done a very good job of, but that doesn't make it right to steal it,
which it seems a *lot* of people have done.
>a few words come to mind when I think about you, which is not often,
>thankfully. "obsessive." "antisocial." "stalker." you have gone beyond
>the
>point where any reasonable fan should be, and you've somehow gotten it into
>your head that you are close personal friends with TMBG, and must also be
>their sworn protector. there are people out there who are trained and paid
>to
>help people through feelings like this, before they cause harm to the people
>they claim to love and support so much. perhaps you should look into it.
Now that's just mean. I've heard of other fans who've exhibited much more
stalker-ish behavior (sitting in front of their houses, for example). As for
TDK being their "sworn protector," I doubt that, but this incident has
certainly made it clear that they do need someone looking out for their
interests if their own fans get so upset over the removal of some illegal
freebies.
>if you want to be totally alone and friendless in the world of TMBG (which,
>as far as I can tell, is the only world you live in) all because you think
it's
>your job and your business to make sure no one hears any of their music that
>they shouldn't hear, then I guess we can't do anything to change your mind.
>but I'd say that *most* people would choose friends over what really amounts
>to a tiny ethical "issue."
This "tiny ethical issue" comes up on almost every music newsgroup/message
board/mailing list I've ever subscribed to or lurked on, and it seems that this
newsgroup is one of the most anti-artists rights of all of them, which I think
is pretty sad (and strange since a lot of the same people will agree that TMBG
don't get nearly enough credit for their work). This attacking TDK is a real
schoolkid mentality...when a kid breaks the rules, then is told on, the kid
doesn't get angry with the punisher but with the person who told on him/her.
We need to rise above that.
Kay
lawrence solomon
Kaylum wrote:
> Actually, that is exactly the point. TMBG are a *very* generous band both with
> their time and talent. They aren't Metallica, out to persecute anyone who
> copies and distributes their music illegally, but they do have the right to
> ask that it be stopped when they find out about it. Whatever your views on
> filesharing in general, I don't see how anyone who truly considers themselves a
> fan of the band can argue with that.
I'm NOT arguing with it. I'm not at all talking about ripping them off
or not ripping them off. I'm talking about the fact that it wasn't
TDK's or anyone else's place to inform them of this. if they find out,
they find out. what do any of us have to gain by telling them? feeling
morally superior? gag me with a smurf.
> As I said in another post, TDK's motivation isn't the issue here, but that's
> what everyone seems to be focusing on.
no, if TDK's motivation weren't the issue, I'd be flaming you, too. but
since you're a reasonable person and I do agree that we shouldn't be
ripping anyone off, I see no need to do that. what I take issue with is
that some people (TDK) feel the need to tell TMBG about every little
thing their fans do.
uh oh, TDK, I sent someone an mp3 of an Elektra b-side that they CAN'T
GET OTHERWISE, you'd better let them know!
> Now that's just mean. I've heard of other fans who've exhibited much more
> stalker-ish behavior (sitting in front of their houses, for example). As for
> TDK being their "sworn protector," I doubt that, but this incident has
> certainly made it clear that they do need someone looking out for their
> interests if their own fans get so upset over the removal of some illegal
> freebies.
it's not mean. it's accurate. TDK needs to get a life outside of
TMBG. if they need someone looking out for their interests, then they
should hire someone to do that. but for TDK to just sort of assume that
position is ridiculous.
> This "tiny ethical issue" comes up on almost every music newsgroup/message
> board/mailing list I've ever subscribed to or lurked on, and it seems that this
> newsgroup is one of the most anti-artists rights of all of them, which I think
> is pretty sad (and strange since a lot of the same people will agree that TMBG
> don't get nearly enough credit for their work). This attacking TDK is a real
> schoolkid mentality...when a kid breaks the rules, then is told on, the kid
> doesn't get angry with the punisher but with the person who told on him/her.
> We need to rise above that.
no, TDK needs to rise above it. TDK is, for all intents and purposes,
an 8-year-old. and I might even be being generous with that
assessment. we aren't anti-artists rights, but we think that if they
*really* cared, they'd have someone officially doing the work for them
and finding this stuff out. TDK is not necessary, unless they want to
hire him for his dubious "services."
dpernic
wrote:
>
>The way I see it, he just couldn't stand the fact that fans were being provided
>with these rare bits of music from a source other than himself. So he has to
>run and tattle on us. "They have stuff they aren't supposed to have wah wah
>wah!" Grow up. It's a power thing. He wants to be the god of all things
So... did TDK d/l the stuff before he had it removed?
What difference does it make to him where the stuff comes from? Does
he get paid when people d/l from his site vs. others?
About the only thing I agree with is that the officially released
stuff should not be on twistid - even if it's out of print, you can
ebay a copy if you really want it.
I would pay TMBG $$$ for the demo stuff - here's to hoping that the 20
year retro box set will include all alternate cuts and not repeats of
stuff we all already have.
Waspstar
personal - I do it to anyone who takes high ground of any kind.
Anything I've said in the past aside (knowing that I frequently
contradict myself anyway in the name of humour), I've always liked his
site, and when I first got on the net several years ago it was
fantastic to add to my already fleshy TMBG collection with live
recording - precisely the intented purpose of TDK's site, if the blurb
is to be believed.
I also agree in principle that to publish copyrighted material
illegally is wrong. But as far as I could see, Twistid only hosted
'rare' or deleted tracks. As the band can no longer make money out of
these, I do not believe this is "ripping off" the band. I'm afraid I
have to conclude that TDK's true motive for ratting on the site
(wether he is conscious of it or not) is because he wants to justify
his own site of bootlegs.
bootleg: illegally made or copied.
Clearly everyone has a different idea of what is legal, right, or
justified. Similarly, there are different ideas of what defines being
"ripped off". TDK feels that bootlegging isn't wrong, and doesnt "rip
off" the band. The creator(s) of Twisted seem pretty pro-TMBG too -
did they intend to rip TMBG off? Many of us feel that TMBG-Unlimited
was a rip-off. Did any fans ask TMBG to stop ripping US off? I don't
think so.
With so many file sharing systems on the web, TDK has not done the
band any favours. The files that once had a permanent home on Twistid
will simply lurk in the shadows. And if TMBG were ever to ask TDK to
shut down his site, he would no doubt do so gracefully. But will he
destroy his collection of bootlegs? Will he stop trading? Of course
not. My message to EVERYONE involved in this charade is to get off
their soapboxes. If the band ask you to cease and desist any of your
activities and you respect the band, then do as they wish. But leave
one-another alone.
I'm off to listen to my bootleg of the Liverpool University show. G!
L! O! 'KENSPIEL!
Dar
"Andy Knox" <pin...@ncweb.com> wrote in message news:<u3atl93...@corp.supernews.com>...
Father Bingo
protect their property. If he hadn't done it, someone else would have, the
band would have found it, whatever, and the songs would eventually have come
down. TDK's actions were just the catalyst and we need not be angry at TDK
for doing the "right thing."
On the other, he's still acting like an asshole and we should continue to be
angry at him for that. He has once again proven himself to be ignorant,
mean, and hypocritical. He claims that he is just protecting TMBG from
getting "ripped off," yet he himself "rips off" the band: Adam has pointed
out an inconsistency with several tracks hosted on TDK's site and I've time
and time again complained about his bootlegs and the rights he would need to
secure to distribute them. I wonder if, in his emails about twistid, he
mentioned his own site in as explicit detail? I find it interesting that he
seems to be able to call attention to and get an answer about everything out
there except for his own site.
But what good will this bickering do? It is the same story. TDK does shit
like this and then we all bitch at him as he defends himself poorly.
Doesn't this circle get tiresome? Or do you, TDK, enjoy this agony for some
reason? Where is the benefit, the joy, the fun, of going about this in the
same manner each time? Honestly, why do you do these things? Yes, we know
that you love the band and that you are out to protect them and all. But,
are you getting paid to do this? What pleasure do you get from doing what
you do?
Unless I'm missing some sadistic need on your part to be vilified, there are
better ways to get the same end result. Perhaps a calm conversation between
you and the offender before calling in the authorities. Even a heads up
would be considered an act of good will by this point. Because as of now,
your actions come across as mean-spirited. You appear abrasive. Yes, you
are doing "the right thing" and I can't argue with you on that, but you are
going about it like a jerk. And you look stupid with the aforementioned
hypocrisy.
And again, I ask for what? What do these tattlings get you? Where is the
pleasure in this course? Are you getting paid in anyway by the band? Do
you like the attention, like a disobedient child? Does it somehow justify
your existence? Why do you go about doing the "right" thing in such a
destructive manner?
In short, stop being a dick. You can do the same thing in a nicer way.
And please post any replies to this publicly on the newsgroup as I am still
ignoring any personal email from you. Thank you.
--
Mike "Father Bingo" Lebovitz
=------------------------------------------------------------=
Father Bingo and the Legion of Decency
The kind of music you like to listen to... in private!
http://www.mp3.com/fatherbingo/
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
news:20020104003822...@mb-cf.aol.com...
> >The way I see it, he just couldn't stand the fact that fans were being
> >provided
> >with these rare bits of music from a source other than himself. So he
has to
> >run and tattle on us
>
> Whatever TDK's motives were, the band *does* have a right to at least know
> about whatever is being done with their material, don't you think?
While that sounds reasonable, I'm not entirely sure they WANT to know.
Sure, I don't know the Johns any more than TDK or anyone does (probably less
than many, in fact, since I've never even met either of them), but they
generally seem to give the impression in interviews that they don't want to
know about bootlegs, and probably twistid is a similar case. If they find
out about these things, then they're pretty much obligated to take action,
or they can be seen as not protecting their own property, and that sets a
dangerous precedent. If they don't know (or at least pretend they don't
know; it's HIGHLY unlikely that no one associated with TMBG even knows about
twistid), then the issue doesn't really arise. Now, I don't pretend to know
all the factors involved here, and this is only conjecture, but I almost
think the band would have preferred not knowing.
> > Just like he did with the Chopping Block site. Had
> >to run and tell on all the kids who were looking at it without
permission,
> >and
> >then plays it off like he's on some kind of moral high ground
>
> I thought The Chopping Block removed that stuff when their site suddenly
> started receiving a ton of hits. They didn't need anyone to tell on us to
see
> that.
Yeah, I didn't even know TDK was involved with that one. I can see why The
Chopping Block would want to protect their property, but they were the ones
who made it public in the first place, so it's kind of hard to sympathize
with them. (Besides, I don't think anyone would have decided not to buy
something because they had already seen the album art.)
Nathan
Over 90% of Web designers are sleepy and cranky.
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
news:3c1ce8ae.02010...@posting.google.com...
> I also agree in principle that to publish copyrighted material
> illegally is wrong. But as far as I could see, Twistid only hosted
> 'rare' or deleted tracks.
Not ENTIRELY true. I seem to recall there being tracks from Unsupervised
and the "Why Does The Sun Shine?" EP up there. While these few tracks
aren't really a big deal, I still think they should have been removed.
Considering that anyone can upload anything to the site, problems like this
are almost definitely going to arise, and I realize that Adam didn't have
the time to go through and review every single track. On the other hand, if
these things are pointed out to him (or to whoever is maintaining it now), I
don't think it would be that hard to remove them. That's kind of beside the
point, though, considering that the few tracks that the band's management
actually asked Adam to remove were ones that hadn't been commercially
released, and, in some cases, had already been made available for free.
> Clearly everyone has a different idea of what is legal, right, or
> justified. Similarly, there are different ideas of what defines being
> "ripped off".
I don't think you could really argue that providing bootlegged material or
out-of-print tracks is LEGAL. On the other hand, it certainly COULD be
argued that it's not unethical, and isn't really hurting anyone. That's
basically my position.
Nathan
I know I know I said that I would quit.
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
news:3c36be94...@groups.i-2000.com...
> On 04 Jan 2002 05:18:23 GMT, moon...@aol.com (acoustical whore)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >The way I see it, he just couldn't stand the fact that fans were being
provided
> >with these rare bits of music from a source other than himself. So he
has to
> >run and tattle on us. "They have stuff they aren't supposed to have wah
wah
> >wah!" Grow up. It's a power thing. He wants to be the god of all
things
>
> So... did TDK d/l the stuff before he had it removed?
>
> What difference does it make to him where the stuff comes from? Does
> he get paid when people d/l from his site vs. others?
Maybe it shouldn't make any difference to him, but I'm pretty sure it does.
If it didn't, why would he hand out slips of paper advertising his website
to total strangers? I can understand that TDK put work into his site, and
wants people to see and appreciate it, but I think your point makes sense.
> About the only thing I agree with is that the officially released
> stuff should not be on twistid - even if it's out of print, you can
> ebay a copy if you really want it.
For a reasonable price, though? I think (although I can't be sure) that
even the band would agree that three otherwise unreleased tracks from the "I
Palindrome I" EP aren't worth $50.
Nathan
Besides, it's really Elektra that's being ripped off in those cases.
Harry Ballsack MacTavish
>what do any of us have to gain by telling them? feeling
> morally superior? gag me with a smurf.
> GET OTHERWISE, you'd better let them know!
what do we have to gain by reporting copyright violations? more tmbg
albums. how many of you downloaded mink car from emusic and haven't
yet/don't plan to purchase it? no the b-sides are not legally
available right now. but should we be stealing them? what happens if
they try to release the malcolm music and nobody buys it because the
all downloaded it from twisted or tdks site? huh? what then, you
stupid asses! your acts are very shameful! get out from behind those
aliases and lets see your real names so we can all report you! come
on! you mommas boys!
Andy Knox
copyrighted materials. Let them get pissed off at people and let them get so
angry that they eventually break up. I know I can't wait for that day.
There's nothing I hate more than TMBG.
-Andy
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
news:31bbb115.02010...@posting.google.com...
> what do we have to gain by reporting copyright violations? more tmbg
> albums. how many of you downloaded mink car from emusic and haven't
> yet/don't plan to purchase it?
Is this a joke? If you downloaded it from emusic, you DID purchase it,
unless you found a way to hack the site.
> no the b-sides are not legally
> available right now. but should we be stealing them? what happens if
> they try to release the malcolm music and nobody buys it because the
> all downloaded it from twisted or tdks site?
I don't foresee that happening, for a few reasons:
1. The Malcolm music probably won't be released, except possibly a track or
two in a collection of other stuff. No, I have no way of knowing this for
sure, but there's probably even less market for this than for an EP of wax
cylinder recordings, which they decided not to release.
2. A lot of people (I'm not saying everyone, but probably most of the people
here, anyway) who downloaded the music would buy it if it were legitimately
available.
3. A lot of people didn't download it in the first place.
Nathan
Could you repeat the question?
acoustical whore
Doesn't Dot read this newsgroup regularly? Half the stuff that gets posted
here is about Twistid this and Twistid that and bla bla bla and I find it very
hard to believe that at least Dot was not aware of the existance of the site.
So, what's the deal? How come TMBG never took action before? Anyone, anyone?
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
news:20020104144015...@mb-fo.aol.com...
> Ok, here's something. Why didn't TMBG know about Twistid a long time ago?
> Doesn't Dot read this newsgroup regularly? Half the stuff that gets
posted
> here is about Twistid this and Twistid that and bla bla bla and I find it
very
> hard to believe that at least Dot was not aware of the existance of the
site.
What is Dot's official function? From what I can gather, it seems to be
primarily distributing merchandise and information. As far as I know, it's
not really her job to seek out copyright violations, and maybe she just
didn't want to get involved. I certainly don't know this for sure, though.
> So, what's the deal? How come TMBG never took action before? Anyone,
anyone?
I don't know, but I would guess that they didn't know about it, didn't WANT
to know about it and ignored it, or didn't think it was a big deal. I have
no idea why the Smarch recordings were more intolerable than anything else
on the site. I've heard rumors that the songs were leaked from official
sessions, but other people insist that at least some of them were recorded
from places where they were already available for free (dialasong.com), and,
in one case, from a movie (which is illegal, but that's really a crime
against the theater and the movie-makers, not TMBG). Does anyone know any
more about this?
Nathan
Sensible to ear and sternum.
Buddy Landers
doesn't compare to having the real thing. Is there anyone on this
newsgroup who would prefer a burned copy of a TMBG CD compared to the
real thing? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think most people feel the same
way I do: If it came out tomorrow as a commercial release, I would be
the first one in line to buy one if not more copies.
It's the same argument Napster used: It's a way to hear music that you
wanna hear so you can go out and buy the records. I feel the same way
about anything up on Twistid or TDK's site for that matter. The live
songs and demos are just a way to spread music that may not be heard.
From the MP3's on either page, it made me want to go out and buy a
TMBG CD even more.
B:U:D:D:Y
"I wanna talk to Sampson!"
Dave
tmb...@hotmail.com (Buddy Landers) wrote:
actualy, i dont listen to CDs anymore. i DO buy CDs. but i rip them to
my comp and listen to them from their or burn them to MP3 CD. the
minimal loss in audio quality doesnt bother me. the onl place i listen
to actual CDs is in the car, where the quility doesnt even matter that
much, with my crappy speakers...
Kevin Sullivan
The mp3's of Finished with Lies and It's So Loud in Here in Smarch are
the same *versions* that were available on Dial-A-Song and
dialasong.com but they are of higher quality.
I have all the tracks from Smarch but I've only listened to those two
tracks...apparently the other tracks are pretty worthless, I haven't
had a chance to listen myself.
-Kevin
ke...@beestung.net
"I'm hoping they come up with a bacteria that they can use to KILL MY
EMOTIONS. That way I won't ever look sad or tired. Or one to AMPUTATE ALL
NEGATIVE THINKING." - John Linnell
HiGDaLO
legal folks, or I'll put crocodiles on your balls!"
And people, seriously. All food is full of feces! Its how the
ecosystem works! Say it with me! "E-CO-SYS-TEM!" Good! Great! Siddown!
The Demonic Kangaroo
only the first half is on dialasong.com.
-Mike
"Kevin Sullivan" <ke...@beestung.net> wrote
Chris
all self-righteous people who need the last word on everything. i wish we
could just discuss tmbg in detail sometime. this is crazy. "can't we all
just get along?"
chris
--
"they might be giants are not satanists. they are not posing as an
easy-listening, nazi rock band trying to lure intellectuals into believing
what they already know to be true. no."
Chris
love the band, but hate lars. he needs to mellow out. ok.
chris
Kaylum <kay...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Kevin Sullivan
respectively. Finished with Lies was on Dial-A-Song and It's So Loud
In Here appeared on DAS.com. It's this attitude that everybody should
know the minutiae of TMBG that you make it your life's obsession to
know that makes everyone dislike you.
You need to know every little thing about TMBG no matter how
insignificant and that's fine, to each his own. Your harassment of
TMBG and anyone quasi-related to them actually unearths uselful info
now and then. But you can't resist any opportunity to show how much
you know, no matter how much of an ass it makes you look like.
The point of my post was that the Smarch mp3's weren't simply recorded
off of Dial-A-Song or DAS.com.
Panic
> that you love the band and that you are out to protect
> them and all. But, are you getting paid to do this? What
> pleasure do you get from doing what you do? Unless I'm
> missing some sadistic need on your part to be vilified, there
As Phoney Bone once said, people love being the victim: there's a certain
unassailable moral superiority about it. You get to feel justified and noble
when people are persecuting you or acting unjustly towards you. And if
nobody *is* actually persecuting you, you can still make yourself feel good
by taking up the case for somebody else who is being persecuted, without
having been asked to do so. I know this one girl who does this all the time:
drives me nuts it does. And of course she thinks she can get away with being
a bitch because WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S GOING THROUGH, DO WE!!? GODDAMMIT!!
SHE'S UNDER A LOT OF STRESS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING!! SHE'S A GODDAMN
MARTYR!!! Anyway, maybe TDK is suffering from this disease. I've really no
idea, but of late he seems to be trying to pick up where Rob Plass left off.
Whatever happened to him, anyway? Is he divorced yet?
Patrick
Asa Pillsbury
Father Bingo wrote:
> On the other, he's still acting like an asshole and we should continue to be
> angry at him for that. He has once again proven himself to be ignorant,
> mean, and hypocritical. He claims that he is just protecting TMBG from
> getting "ripped off," yet he himself "rips off" the band: Adam has pointed
> out an inconsistency with several tracks hosted on TDK's site and I've time
> and time again complained about his bootlegs and the rights he would need to
> secure to distribute them. I wonder if, in his emails about twistid, he
> mentioned his own site in as explicit detail? I find it interesting that he
> seems to be able to call attention to and get an answer about everything out
> there except for his own site.
Actually, I think he said a while ago that he'd contacted someone connected to
the band about whether he should keep his mp3s but that he hadn't gotten a
reply.
--
This is my signature.
The Demonic Kangaroo
you? My point was that So Loud wasn't the same version as on dialasong.com
because only the first half of the song is on there.
-Mike
"Kevin Sullivan" <ke...@beestung.net> wrote
whogoesthere?
you're such a snitchy bitchy little tattle tale.
in fact, i bet you love the fact that there is an entire thread dedicated to
you right now. everyone's arguing about why you're such an asshole, and
even though the thread is generally negative towards you, you love it! you
love the attention! look at me! i'm TDK! i'm The Demonic Kangaroo! my
name is Mike! people hate me! keep talking about me! please! did you
know i used to call myself "The Dark Knight?" i'm so scary! but keep
talking about me! come look at my poorly designed web site! it's so cool,
it has lots of pictures of me on it in a TMBG hat! i'm so cool!
more? you want more? ok, look at the Garbage page on my web site, I call
Butch Vig my friend! yes, i'm so popular! i think Butch Vig likes me, why
don't you guys? i guess i'll tattle some more so people will keep talking
about me!
if we stop talking about you will you go away? if we ignore your attempts
at a higher moral ground (even though it's rooted in complete hypocrisy)
will you stop? please please go away you annoying piece of dirt. and don't
respond with a little known fact about the song, Piece of Dirt. i don't
care.
whogoesthere?
"The Demonic Kangaroo" <t...@tmbg.org> wrote in message
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Alex Simko
> ..has not changed over the years. All I ever wanted was for the band to
be
> aware of what is available on the twistid site (not to mention my own
site),
> so They could make their own determination as to if They are being ripped
> off or not. Of course, I always felt that They were but you knew that
> already. For a long time people have been saying, "if They had a problem
> with it, something would have been done". Well, now that something has
> (finally) been done, I hope that it doesn't negatively affect anyone's
> opinion of the band.. after all, TMBG has the right to decide what to do
> with their own studio material. Sure, I pointed out the "Smarch" thing to
> emusic manager Jim Stabile because I thought he'd like to see how his past
> year's work was being parodied.. just thought that people needed a reason
to
> hate me even more then they already do (not that expected anything to be
> donw about it). I'd also like to point out that I was never trying to get
> twistid shut down, I only wanted the material that was ripping the band
off
> to go away. I no longer have any problem with the site, since all the
> material They asked to be removed has been. Now if only I could get some
> kind of validation for my own MP3 page.
>
> -Mike
> www.theymightbegiants.org
If you were any more of a cunt you could probably get laid.
Asa Pillsbury
whogoesthere? wrote?
> can you really blame him for bitching at you? you ask for it, beg for it.
> you're such a snitchy bitchy little tattle tale.
Hey, I know what we should do! Let's sneak up on him during recess and kick his
ass! He'll never tattle on us again!
> if we stop talking about you will you go away?
Ha, that's funny. Whenever some people are being annoyed on Usenet, they always
say "ignore them and they'll go away"... but I've never seen anyone actually do
that. That doesn't really apply in this case, though, so, um, never mind.
--
"The idea that there is one people in possession of the truth, one answer to
the world's ills, or one solution to humanity's needs has done untold harm
throughout history." - Kofi Annan
Alex Simko
> Actually, It's So Loud In Here never appeared on analog Dial-a-Song and
> only the first half is on dialasong.com.
>
> -Mike
The fact that you would even bother making one of these asinine semantical
posts just proves what everybody is saying about you. If you want to get
technical, I believe it's the first 2/3 of the song, and it's lowered
approximately one half-step as to play in the key of B major with a few
chromatic alterations such as the ones exhibited by the embellishing bVI
chords, or the movement of the two keyboard voices from a perfect fourth
with the notes being B and F#, to a perfect fifth with the notes being G and
D (to get really technical). And no, the tonality is NOT established at this
point in the song, in case you felt like getting me on that one. And don't
say anything about ATONALITY either, because then I'll be forced to shove
your 3rd leg so far up your ass that the whole thing will look like a
simulated one-part texture, and your 3rd will be at least an augmented 5th,
and that's only assuming it doesn't reach your high point goal of motion.
--Lex
Suck my tessitura, you A-minor-hole. I hope you do a cambiata motion and
trip over your own dissonance.
whogoesthere?
"Asa Pillsbury" <a...@madbbs.com> wrote in message
news:a18gq...@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
> whogoesthere? wrote?
> > can you really blame him for bitching at you? you ask for it, beg for
it.
> > you're such a snitchy bitchy little tattle tale.
>
> Hey, I know what we should do! Let's sneak up on him during recess and
kick his
> ass! He'll never tattle on us again!
>
> > if we stop talking about you will you go away?
>
> Ha, that's funny. Whenever some people are being annoyed on Usenet, they
always
> say "ignore them and they'll go away"... but I've never seen anyone
actually do
> that. That doesn't really apply in this case, though, so, um, never mind.
well, the ignoring idea was just a thought. i know he's not going away. so
i guess we're going to have to nominate someone to sneak up on him at recess
(or lunch since he might actually be in high school by now) and kick his
ass. i nominate Lex. Alex Simko. c'mon man, go get 'im.
whogoesthere?
Mike May
<Dinne...@tmbg.org> writes:
>I think (although I can't be sure) that
>even the band would agree that three otherwise unreleased tracks from the "I
>Palindrome I" EP aren't worth $50.
And yet, I would probably pay an exhorbitant amount like that for some TMBG
rarities if only I knew that the band was benefitting from it.
If these tracks are being pulled down in preparation for a new official release
containing them, I'm all for it. I can only hope that's the case.
Mike
"What's that you're barbecuing in your kitchen? It's a human head!"
www.arstechnica.com - For the geek in all of us.
waspstar
news:gHQZ7.13667$bZ5.1...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> Suck my tessitura, you A-minor-hole. I hope you do a cambiata motion and
> trip over your own dissonance.
We're very harsh on TDK. Lets not forget that his head looks like a potato.
When life deals you a potato, you should make chips. And thats just what
Mike does. He makes huge bowls of french-fries for everybody. And what do
we do? We dip them in gravy. Shit, guys! Lets have some heart. He is
TDK. That is his crime; it is also his punishment.
Dar
Alex Simko
"whogoesthere?" <big_sh...@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:9NTZ7.5496$864....@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
Actually, I'm a real pussy when it comes to doing this type of stuff. I'll
argue with someone until they think I'm the most obsessive, annoying person
in the world, but I'll punch a wall before I'll lay one finger on them.
However, pantsing is another story altogether.
--Lex. Alex Simko. "Mister Dicky-Dack".
Alex Simko
"waspstar" <dar...@tmbg.org> wrote in message
news:a19i65$d42$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
If I had a pair of eyes in the back of my head for each time...I'd look like
a potato!!
--Lex
Eric
I think that everyone who is against you has done an excellent job of
expressing my feelings towards you. You really need to get a life. In an
attempt to help you with this, I offer these not-so-friendly
recommendations:
1) Stop yelling stuff out at concerts. It messes up my recordings, and is a
general nuisance to everyone around you and to the band. No one is
impressed by your obsessive knowledge of TMBG history. I pay good money to
go to TMBG shows, and don't appreciate you being annoying in my general
vicinity. Stop it.
2) Stop passing out little pieces of paper with your website on them. No
one standing in line for a TMBG concert wants your unsolicited
solicitations. Next time you offer me one, you might piss me off so much
that I would be unable to resist punching you in the face. Since you don't
know who I am and thus can't avoid me, it would probably be a good idea to
just stop altogether.
3) Don't drive more than 2 hours for a show. It's just not worth it,
especially when they are actively touring. Don't you like, have a job or
something?
4) Don't show off your TMBG collection binder before shows. No one cares or
is impressed. Rather, you just weird people out. I brought my roommate to
the last concert I went to, and he has no idea who you are, and he couldn't
believe that people like you exist.
5) Leave the Johns alone. When you see them, don't ask them in-depth
questions about their lives or TMBG's past. They want to be your favorite
band, not your friends.
I'm sorry it had to come to this, but you left me no option. You have
apparently alienated the lion's share of people on this newsgroup, and have
pissed off numerous other people at concerts, etc. Just because you want to
be some sort of TMBG super-fan doesn't mean that you have to get in the way
of everyone else's enjoyment of the band.
Oh, and for those of you who don't know, don't ever trade bootlegs with TDK.
Apparently he takes his sweet fucking time in sending out his part of the
trade (more than 6 months!).
--Eric
Jay G
The
> Chopping Block would want to protect their property, but they were the
ones
> who made it public in the first place, so it's kind of hard to sympathize
> with them. (Besides, I don't think anyone would have decided not to buy
> something because they had already seen the album art.)
The original concept art stuff was stuff that was unlinked on their site and
someone happened to wander across. I'm guessing it was either put on
their public web server either by mistake or as a way of letting the John's
look at it instead of faxing or mailing it.
BTW, I thought it was funny that the new concept art feature has the
line
in the intro "We (The Chopping Block) know how fans like to see all kinds
of backround stuff ," obviously a reference to the previous unauthorized
run on their concept art.
-Jay
Jay G
"Mike May" <prop...@aol.comPOSTHEAP> wrote in message
news:20020106040849...@mb-ba.aol.com...
> In article <a14f0e$n6s$1...@server1.ufp.org>, "Nathan Mulac DeHoff"
> <Dinne...@tmbg.org> writes:
>
> >I think (although I can't be sure) that
> >even the band would agree that three otherwise unreleased tracks from the
"I
> >Palindrome I" EP aren't worth $50.
>
> And yet, I would probably pay an exhorbitant amount like that for some
TMBG
> rarities if only I knew that the band was benefitting from it.
Which buying from ebay doesn't do. I've managed to purchase all the Electra
era CD EPs at very reasonable prices (around $10 a piece), but others are
not so lucky. It's worth noting that I had all the b-sides on mp3 before
hunting
for the EPs, and that I have bought the SEXXY 12" and MONTANA record
even though I don't own a record player.
> If these tracks are being pulled down in preparation for a new official
release
> containing them, I'm all for it. I can only hope that's the case.
Fingers crossed for "SUPERFUELED FREAKSICKLE". And while I'm at it, toes
crossed
for an Updated DIRECT FROM BROOKLYN on DVD, with FLOOD and
APOLLO 18 promos included.
-JAy
Jay G
> board/mailing list I've ever subscribed to or lurked on, and it seems that
this
> newsgroup is one of the most anti-artists rights of all of them, which I
think
> is pretty sad (and strange since a lot of the same people will agree that
TMBG
> don't get nearly enough credit for their work).
I disagree with this view. When twistid first started, Adam had posted 10
random album tracks, thinking it a harmless way for people to preview
TMBG. Most of the newsgroup got in an uproar, and it was only
when someone (ahem) suggested posting live tracks and rarities that
the site became a haven for whatever stuff TDK hadn't already posted.
B-sides have always been considered a grey area for most music fans of
bands. While the band profited initially from the sale of singles, they
go out of print quick and become a bugger for fans who wish to own a
complete list of songs from the band. I've run accross many a b-side site
of bands I like, and have been grateful for saving hundreds of dollars
on a handful of songs. That said, if these b-sides ever become comercially
available again in a collection I'll gladly buy them.
-Jay
Erich Cannon
mean and stuff I was just trying to see if anyone wants to further discuss
that THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS WERE NOMINATED FOR A GRAMMY FOR GOD SAKES!!!!
anyone?.... anyone?.......hello?.............
erich
Quinn Collard
Erich Cannon wrote:
Think They'll wear suits to the ceremoney? Or *tuxes*? I would pay good
money to see John in a tux.
Shuddering in my lampshade,
Quinn (comed...@earthlink.net, AIM:lazeebunny, ICQ:25118479)
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/quinncorner/index.html
Conan O'Brien, Frasier, Dana Carvey, etc. etc. etc.
"Thank you for the card with the cartoon nurse but you see there's
nothing wrong with me. You think, 'That's what you think, that's what
they all say.' " ~TMBG, "Destination Moon"
"Everyone suspects himself of at least one of the cardinal virtues, and
this is mine: I am one of the few honest people that I have ever known."
~F. Scott Fitzgerald
Kaylum
What I want to know is, is the award for this category going to be presented at
the main ceremony? I seem to remember it being one of those "awarded earlier"
categories which they only show a brief clip of the winners of during the big
show, but it's been so long since I've watched the Grammys I'm not sure...
Nice quote by the way...Fitzgerald rules :)
Kay
One Angry Dwarf
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Atoook
--------------
"It's hard to cut your own hair."
---John Flansburgh
Richard E Green
Alright, I've sat here and listened to this arguement for most of my
christmas vacation. Ethics and morals are one thing, and it's a really
grey area when it comes to this, but there's just one little tidbit I
think I should mention.
When the Smarch issue first went online, I was talking to tdk about
it, and he claimed that the site maintainers STOLE that track from
HIM. Now, I know for a fact that this isn't true because I know where
they got the track from and it was from somewhere else, but I have to
wonder.......what was TDK doing with this track in the FIRST PLACE? Is
it really a question of him trying to protect the band from getting
ripped off.........or is TDK just upset that he isn't the only person
in the world who has a high quality demo of It's So Loud In Here
anymore? And how is it ok for TDK -- a fan like the rest of us -- to
have this track and not the other fans? What extra degree of status or
power does he have?
personally, and I don't know for sure, but I think that TMBG's real
problem with smarch wasn't the demos, but the malcolm in the middle
music, and I don't think it's even TMBG's problem.....I used to be
involved in a formally verypopular online simpsons multimedia site,
and I've found out how ruthless FOX is about having ANY of their media
online. I'm sure that even having a couple mp3's of their background
music would be too much. Just my guess
--Richard E Green
Steven
Okay everybody, if you wanna know where the Man It's So Loud In Here
track really originally came from, it came from ME!!! It was on this
"Music From Malcolm In The Middle" CD that I found. It was a CD with all
the songs from dialasong.com on it (at the correct speed). I'm pretty
sure that that song came from my CD because my CD has the same scratches
that that mp3 had. Here's the cover of the CD:
http://www.gourmetsfinest.com/malcolm1.jpg
and here's the CD itself:
http://www.gourmetsfinest.com/malcolm2.jpg
Those songs with the weird titles are instrumentals.
And by the way, if anyone's wondering what Thunderbird looks like, I
found some:
Alex Simko
"Steven" <stevens...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3C3A4218...@home.com...
>
>
> Okay everybody, if you wanna know where the Man It's So Loud In Here
> track really originally came from, it came from ME!!! It was on this
> "Music From Malcolm In The Middle" CD that I found. It was a CD with all
> the songs from dialasong.com on it (at the correct speed). I'm pretty
> sure that that song came from my CD because my CD has the same scratches
> that that mp3 had. Here's the cover of the CD:
Funny enough, ME!!! happens to be my favorite Swedish software pirate.
lawrence solomon
Richard E Green wrote:
> When the Smarch issue first went online, I was talking to tdk about
> it, and he claimed that the site maintainers STOLE that track from
> HIM. Now, I know for a fact that this isn't true because I know where
> they got the track from and it was from somewhere else, but I have to
> wonder.......what was TDK doing with this track in the FIRST PLACE? Is
> it really a question of him trying to protect the band from getting
> ripped off.........or is TDK just upset that he isn't the only person
> in the world who has a high quality demo of It's So Loud In Here
> anymore? And how is it ok for TDK -- a fan like the rest of us -- to
that seems to be exactly it. I had this AIM conversation with him a little
under a year ago, regarding an mp3 he offered to send me (out of the blue):
TeaDeeKay (7:52:43 pm): It's Bryan Cranston singing Boss of Me as Placido
Domingo, Elvis and Sammy Davis Jr.
another mystery (7:52:56 pm): oh my. where did it come from?
TeaDeeKay (7:53:09 pm): from a cd which came from a mitm sound engineer
...... a little later ......
another mystery (8:08:11 pm): so how did you get this that you're not supposed
to be sending it to people?
TeaDeeKay (8:08:34 pm): huh?
another mystery (8:08:53 pm): well, presumably you're not supposed to have it,
otherwise you wouldn't be saying "don't give it out"
TeaDeeKay (8:09:14 pm): you presume wrong :)
another mystery (8:09:25 pm): then why can I not send it out?
TeaDeeKay (8:09:33 pm): i dont want you to give it out cuz i might put it on
my site
another mystery (8:09:50 pm): um, so?
TeaDeeKay (8:10:06 pm): and if i don't put it on my site i dont want anyone i
didnt give it to to have it
another mystery (8:10:27 pm): uhhh, why? did whoever gave it to you tell you
not to?
TeaDeeKay (8:10:30 pm): if i do put it up, i want anyone that has it to have
gotten it from there
another mystery (8:10:55 pm): why, is it *your* mp3?
another mystery (8:11:02 pm): with exclusive rights or something?
TeaDeeKay (8:11:15 pm): i never said anything like that
another mystery (8:11:34 pm): then why do you have a problem with other people
getting it or from other sources?
I think that speaks for itself. I'm glad I found it disturbing enough then to
share with a friend, so it's still in my sent mail folder. :)
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whogoesthere?
whogoesthere?
"lawrence solomon" <za...@fruhead.com> wrote in message
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Alex Simko
"whogoesthere?" <big_sh...@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> the smoking gun! the damning evidence! yes! TDK you are truly a
scumbag.
OHHHHHHHH!!! HE (SHE?) TOOOOOOOLD YOU!!!!!!!!!
whogoesthere?
no more talking until you pants TDK! you promised.
whogoesthere?
One Angry Dwarf
>
>
>Okay everybody, if you wanna know where the Man It's So Loud In Here
>track really originally came from, it came from ME!!! It was on this
>"Music From Malcolm In The Middle" CD that I found. It was a CD with all
>the songs from dialasong.com on it (at the correct speed). I'm pretty
>sure that that song came from my CD because my CD has the same scratches
>that that mp3 had. Here's the cover of the CD:
May I have that CD? Or, at least, a copy of it?
Thomas Zeitner
>>Okay everybody, if you wanna know where the Man It's So Loud In Here
>>track really originally came from, it came from ME!!! It was on this
>>"Music From Malcolm In The Middle" CD that I found. It was a CD with all
>>the songs from dialasong.com on it (at the correct speed). I'm pretty
>>sure that that song came from my CD because my CD has the same scratches
>>that that mp3 had. Here's the cover of the CD:
>
>May I have that CD? Or, at least, a copy of it?
>Atoook
Yeah, for whatever flameage I recieve regarding this, I would like a copy as
well. This CD looks more precious than the 1984 demos...
wolfie180g
> >Atoook
>
> Yeah, for whatever flameage I recieve regarding this, I would like a copy
as
> well. This CD looks more precious than the 1984 demos...
may i have a copy as well??? or at least a place where i might find a copy??
wolfie
baby check this out
Dave
wrote:
> Which buying from ebay doesn't do. I've managed to purchase all the Electra
> era CD EPs at very reasonable prices (around $10 a piece), but others are
> not so lucky. It's worth noting that I had all the b-sides on mp3 before
> hunting
> for the EPs, and that I have bought the SEXXY 12" and MONTANA record
> even though I don't own a record player
i managed to find all the electra singles from wdtss to sexxy and the
montana single in my local record store. i also got the istanbul ep and
the snail shell import (which is missing ondine). if not for mp3 i
would probably never have heard the rest of them.i have them all on my
computer. if there is a compilation that comes out, you bet i will buy
it. you can bet most of the people donloading these tracks will get a
copy.because usually the only people downloaing them are big fans of the
band.
Buddy Landers
BUDDY
Asa Pillsbury
lawrence solomon wrote:
> TeaDeeKay (7:52:43 pm): It's Bryan Cranston singing Boss of Me as Placido
> Domingo, Elvis and Sammy Davis Jr.
> another mystery (7:52:56 pm): oh my. where did it come from?
> TeaDeeKay (7:53:09 pm): from a cd which came from a mitm sound engineer
Hmm, but those have been available on fox.com for a while...
--
"The idea that there is one people in possession of the truth, one answer to
the world's ills, or one solution to humanity's needs has done untold harm
throughout history." - Kofi Annan
Mike May
>B-sides have always been considered a grey area for most music fans of
>bands. While the band profited initially from the sale of singles, they
>go out of print quick and become a bugger for fans who wish to own a
>complete list of songs from the band. I've run accross many a b-side site
>of bands I like, and have been grateful for saving hundreds of dollars
>on a handful of songs. That said, if these b-sides ever become comercially
>available again in a collection I'll gladly buy them.
Well said, Jay.
This sums up my whole view on the issue as well. Hell, I paid someone in
Australia for their used copy of a single, just so I could get 1 track on CD
that I already had on vinyl *and* MP3. People resort to rarities sites for
MP3's because it's often the only way to get a rare track. Put them in wide
release and there would be no issue, because the people doing the downloading
are already hard core fans who'd go ahead and buy a CD too if it was available.
Jay G
"Mike May" <prop...@aol.comPOSTHEAP> wrote i
> This sums up my whole view on the issue as well. Hell, I paid someone in
> Australia for their used copy of a single, just so I could get 1 track on
CD
> that I already had on vinyl *and* MP3.
Was that the aussie SEXXY CD EP with the Tee's Freeze Mix on it?
-Jay
Jay G
> track really originally came from, it came from ME!!! It was on this
> "Music From Malcolm In The Middle" CD that I found. It was a CD with all
> the songs from dialasong.com on it (at the correct speed). I'm pretty
> sure that that song came from my CD because my CD has the same scratches
> that that mp3 had. Here's the cover of the CD:
>
> http://www.gourmetsfinest.com/malcolm1.jpg
>
> and here's the CD itself:
>
> http://www.gourmetsfinest.com/malcolm2.jpg
>
> Those songs with the weird titles are instrumentals.
Wow, how'd I miss this CD? Even the TMBG discography has it listed:
http://www.tmbg.org/band-info/discography/
Anyways, this CD looks like the Malcolm in the Middle CD we were all
hoping for.
Supdog
argument you >seemed to be able to make was that it's disrespectful to rip
them off, and that it's
> ripping them off because it's disrespectful. nice argument)
yeah, i know that one! that's the straw man argument, right?
supdog
and then does a parody of each unconscious thing you do
Panic
I, too, desire a bootleg of this thing. I will sell you my neighbours'
children for one. If you're willing to run off a few copies, put my name on
one. Cheers.
Patrick
Mike May
You're sharp, you are. ;-)
David Levy
> Gee TDK, what about the Planet of the Apes stuff from
> STD? or the Malcolm stuff from your brothers site?
As I've requested in the past, I would appreciate if you could leave
me out of your feud. My website is entirely separate from my
brother's, and we have no control over each other's content.
I've never shared my brother's dislike of your website, and I actually
uploaded a few of your MP3s. (for which I received a great deal of
criticism from my brother) Also, most of the "Malcolm in the Middle"
MP3s that you just removed were created from the RealAudio files on my
website, and uploaded by a gentleman whom I assisted in downloading
them for that specific purpose.
David Levy
David Levy
> Gee TDK, what about the Planet of the Apes stuff from
> STD? or the Malcolm stuff from your brothers site?
As I've requested in the past, I would appreciate if you could leave
me out of your feud. My website is entirely separate from my
brother's, and we have no control over each other's content.
I've never agreed with my brother's hypocritical stance regarding
Twistid, and I actually uploaded a few of your MP3s. (for which I
received a great deal of criticism from him)
David Levy
Eric
<cq2o3usvctjs0fajq...@4ax.com>:
>As I've requested in the past, I would appreciate if you could leave
>me out of your feud. My website is entirely separate from my
>brother's, and we have no control over each other's content.
I think the point was that, oddly enough, your brother hasn't complained to
TMBG or Fox about your website, despite probably knowing about some of its
content. Gee, I wonder why TDK has a bone to pick with Adam (whom he
probably considers his competitor), and not you?
--Eric
--
lightman at wam dot umd dot edu
http://www.his.com/lightman
David Levy
> I think the point was that, oddly enough, your brother
> hasn't complained to TMBG or Fox about your website,
> despite probably knowing about some of its content.
While I don't condone his efforts, I believe that Mike's main
complaint was regarding the tracks that are/were commercially
available.
With the exceptions of the "Malcolm in the Middle" :33 opening, (from
"What We Did This Summer") :29 closing and one incidental piece,
(which were recorded directly from the program) all of the songs that
I offer were given away via Dial-a-Song, Dial-a-Song.com, Restless.com
or ChoppingBlock.com. None of them have ever been sold.
Of course, that doesn't make them legal, but I believe that my brother
genuinely makes a moral/ethical distinction. Either that, or he's
worried that I'll stop lending him money. ;)
David Levy
scratch
None of the Smarch tracks were commercially available
ever. The MitM
tracks in the Smarch issue were Monster and Don't Cry.
A few of us
have speculated that those may have been the reason
Smarch was such a
big deal, Fox is often pretty protective of things like that.
-scratch
David Levy
> None of the Smarch tracks were commercially available
> ever. The MitM tracks in the Smarch issue were Monster
> and Don't Cry. A few of us have speculated that those
> may have been the reason Smarch was such a big deal,
> Fox is often pretty protective of things like that.
Yes; I understand that News Corporation (the parent of Fox) is among
the strictest of copyright enforcers. I haven't been asked to remove
anything from my website, and suspect that this may be due to the the
cooperation that I've provided them. (I regularly report individuals
who attempt sell bootlegged merchandise on eBay.) I know for a fact
that a Fox Network employee has visited my site, and she didn't
complain about any of the content during our correspondence.
David Levy
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
news:a1e0mr$2l0d$1...@server1.ufp.org...
Only it's a promo, and was never officially released. I really thought the
soundtrack album would be more like that, but the producers apparently
preferred songs that were never on the actual show.
Nathan
Grade on a curve, and you'll observe I'm right below the horizon.
The Demonic Kangaroo
and sent to some of his friends and people related to the show.. also,
there's at least two versions of it floating around.
-Mike
rock me baby
Steven
Jesus, what's wrong with you people. It's true, it's not a promo and
there is two copies floating around. You gotta problem with Mike telling
us that? If anyone else said it, no one would care. I mean I could've
said the same thing, and if I did, would you have called me mr. know it
all? I doubt it. So if it'll make you feel better, why don't you just
pretend that I said it since you only have a problem with Mike telling
us things.
dpernic
wrote:
>
>Jesus, what's wrong with you people. It's true, it's not a promo and
>there is two copies floating around. You gotta problem with Mike telling
>us that? If anyone else said it, no one would care. I mean I could've
>said the same thing, and if I did, would you have called me mr. know it
>all? I doubt it. So if it'll make you feel better, why don't you just
>pretend that I said it since you only have a problem with Mike telling
>us things.
>
More important, does he have a copy?
Alex Simko
"whogoesthere?" <big_sh...@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
Okay, fine, but you have to point and laugh at his exposed genitals
afterwards.
Dave
"Panic" <pa...@tmbg.org> wrote:
i think everyone on the newsgroup would like a bootleg of this. since
you are blessed enough to have it, you xhould share with eeverybody.
i'm sure most poeple would be more than illing to pay you for parts &
labor.
Dave
dpe...@newton.org (dpernic) wrote:
> >Jesus, what's wrong with you people. It's true, it's not a promo and
> >there is two copies floating around. You gotta problem with Mike telling
> >us that? If anyone else said it, no one would care. I mean I could've
> >said the same thing, and if I did, would you have called me mr. know it
> >all? I doubt it. So if it'll make you feel better, why don't you just
> >pretend that I said it since you only have a problem with Mike telling
> >us things.
> >
>
> More important, does he have a copy?
more important, does he have *both* versions?
Asa Pillsbury
The Demonic Kangaroo wrote:
> > Only it's a promo, and was never officially released. I really
> > thought the soundtrack album would be more like that, but
> > the producers apparently preferred songs that were never
> > on the actual show.
> and sent to some of his friends and people related to the show..
Really? Flans burned it himself? He must be more computer literate than we (I)
thought.
The Demonic Kangaroo
exorbitant amount of money, his was the one with So Loud on it.
Unfortunately, both of them were riddled with pops, clicks and hiccups that
made most of the songs unlistenable. We both sent our discs back for a
refund.
-Mike
"Dave" <alpac...@earthlink.net> wrote
Mike Buffington
Mike
m. heck
>
> The Demonic Kangaroo wrote:
> > It isn't so much a promo as it is a CD that John Flansburgh burned himself
> > and sent to some of his friends and people related to the show..
>
> Really? Flans burned it himself? He must be more computer literate than we (I)
> thought.
Uh. It's not exactly rocket science to burn CDs these day. It's just a
matter of a few clicks. I mean, if my mom can do it...
-m
--
I'll show your punk-rock ass.
http://heck.fisticuffs.org/
waspstar
news:a1mst3$riero$1...@ID-55088.news.dfncis.de...
> Steven and I each got our hands on a different version of the disc for an
> exorbitant amount of money, his was the one with So Loud on it.
> Unfortunately, both of them were riddled with pops, clicks and hiccups
that
> made most of the songs unlistenable. We both sent our discs back for a
> refund.
Did he make you wait 6 months for the refund like you do your trades?
Father Bingo
we asked him to read the station's URL for a promo. It's wecb.emerson.edu .
And I'm guessing that everyone reading this here will go "dot ee-dee-you"
right?
Flans read it "dot ed-you"
You can hear it in the stream's intro.
Humor!
--
Mike "Father Bingo" Lebovitz
=------------------------------------------------------------=
Father Bingo and the Legion of Decency
The kind of music you like to listen to... in private!
http://www.mp3.com/fatherbingo/
"Asa Pillsbury" <a...@madbbs.com> wrote in message
news:a1ml5...@enews3.newsguy.com...
Troy
> Really? Flans burned it himself? He must be more computer literate than we (I)
> thought.
Then again, as TDK said, "both of them were riddled with pops, clicks and hiccups that
made most of the songs unlistenable."
<g>
--
Troy
Bryce
> I'm guessing that everyone reading this here
> will go "dot ee-dee-you" right?
No, I pronounce it rather than spell it, just like I do for com, org, net,
gov, and mil. It sounds more like "edgew", like the beginning of "education."
> Flans read it "dot ed-you"
>
> You can hear it in the stream's intro.
>
> Humor!
Really? Hmm.
Here's one for you people: how do y'all pronounce GIF? Is it a hard G like in
"girl" or soft G like in "giant"?
Bryce
G, L, O, kenspiel.
Joe Bott
Bryce <br...@tmbg.or(somethin)g> wrote in message
news:a1oebj$s6cjh$1...@ID-50687.news.dfncis.de...
>
> Really? Hmm.
>
> Here's one for you people: how do y'all pronounce GIF? Is it a hard G
like in
> "girl" or soft G like in "giant"?
>
I pronounce it like the peanut butter.
Thomas Zeitner
>> Here's one for you people: how do y'all pronounce GIF? Is it a hard G
like in
>> "girl" or soft G like in "giant"?
>>
>I pronounce it like the peanut butter.
>
hard g, like the obscure Starjammer mercenary race
SHAFT!
Mike Buffington
Mike
scratch
> news:a1oebj$s6cjh$1...@ID-50687.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > Really? Hmm.
> >
> > Here's one for you people: how do y'all pronounce GIF?
Is it a
> > hard G
> like in
> > "girl" or soft G like in "giant"?
To quote bob89a.gif, the example animated gif that came
with a really
old dos version of compu-show, "it's pronounced 'jif'."
Incidentally,
my dad thinks that Bob looks kind of like Dave Thomas of
Wendy's fame.
That should be of particular interest to exactly one person
here.
hehehehe.
-scratch