Surprised this hasn't been posted (Tour dates)
TJ Xenos
1/18 WaMu Theatre, Seattle, WA*
1/19 Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR – tickets sold via www.rosequarter.com
1/21 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA*
1/22 Long Beach Arena, Long Beach, CA* (tickets on sale 11/21)
1/23 Dodge Theatre, Phoenix, AZ**
1/25 Magness Arena, Denver, CO*
1/26 Tingley Coliseum, Albuquerque, NM*
1/27 El Paso Coliseum, El Paso, TX*
1/29 Verizon Wireless, Houston, TX**
1/31 Municipal Auditorium, Nashville, TN*
2/1 Gwinnett Arena, Duluth, GA* (tickets on sale 11/20)
2/2 Broadbent Arena, Louisville, KY* (tickets on sale 12/4)
2/4 Roy Wilkins Auditorium, Minneapolis, MN* (tickets on sale 12/4)
2/5 UIC Pavilion, Chicago, IL* (tickets on sale 12/4)
2/6 Cobo Arena, Detroit, MI*
2/9 Chevrolet Theatre, Wallingford, CT**
2/11 Izod Center, East Rutherford, NJ*
2/13 Susquehanna Center, Camden, NJ*
2/14 Tsongas Arena, Lowell, MA*
2/16 Pavillon de La Jeunesse, Quebec City, QC – tickets sold via
Billetech.com
2/18 John Labatt Centre, London, ON – tickets on sale 11/27 via
JohnLabattCentre.com
2/19 Air Canada Centre, Toronto, ON – tickets sold via Ticketmaster.ca
2/20 Bell Centre, Montreal, QC – tickets sold via Admission.com
2/22 Moncton Coliseum, Moncton, NB – tickets sold via
MonctonColiseum.com
2/23 Metro Centre, Halifax, NS – tickets sold via TicketAtlantic.com
Soze
UK tour because of Tom`s back and rescheduled it for march...so it seems
unlikely we`re getting any `carnage` dates. The only downside of seeing
Slayer with Megadeth is it`ll be another arena tour...Slayer`s dates for the
UK were smallish clubs where they`re normaly much better.
TJ Xenos
yeah, would rather see this in a 2500 seat club (ie HOB *makes face*)
than a 8000 seat hockey arena. However it might actually be an
improvement as I wanna say slayer typically plays the ~12000 seat
arena in worcester when they come to Mass on package tours as opposed
to the 2000 seat club. IIRC they were able to sell out a 2000
capacity club regularly on 18+ shows several years back (2002ish).
Looks like its been 5 years or so since they've done a club date in
the area. Have they become that much of a better draw in the last few
years? I mean, the stupid jaeger tours got a decent bit of
advertising (compared to a typical metal tour) but would that really
help that much? I'd imagine this show will be half empty...
Soze
"TJ Xenos" <talv...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Last couple of times I`ve seen Slayer has been in 5,000 capacity venues, one
in Cardiff and the other time Brixton Academy in London ( with a festival
appearance in between ). Brixton is fine as it`s such a great venue but the
Cardiff arena is a horrible soulless place with crap sound. The last tour
( in Cardiff with Trivium, Mastodon and Amon Amarth ) was only half full and
they had trouble selling tickets for a lot of the venues. The new album has
had the worst chart position for a Slayer album since the mid 80`s so if
anything it looks like they`re becoming a smaller draw here ( the postponed
tour was in much smaller venues ). I couldn`t make any of the recent dates
( well, Glasgow but that`s 550 miles away...I draw the line somewhere! ) so
the rescheduling has worked out well for me...if I can get a ticket. I`m
quite keen to see them on this tour in the smaller venues as they`re
allegedly playing for longer and shaking up the set a bit.
TJ Xenos
> Last couple of times I`ve seen Slayer has been in 5,000 capacity venues, one
> in Cardiff and the other time Brixton Academy in London ( with a festival
> appearance in between ). Brixton is fine as it`s such a great venue but the
> Cardiff arena is a horrible soulless place with crap sound. The last tour
> ( in Cardiff with Trivium, Mastodon and Amon Amarth ) was only half full and
> they had trouble selling tickets for a lot of the venues. The new album has
> had the worst chart position for a Slayer album since the mid 80`s so if
> anything it looks like they`re becoming a smaller draw here ( the postponed
> tour was in much smaller venues ).
So we can now deduce that the tour was rescheduled due to lackluster
advance ticket sales I'd say...
Soze
The London dates had sold out so probably not...but the venus were all half
the size they normally play. Although in fairness they were playing 2 nights
in London.
BrutalNoodle
> With Testament and Megadeth
>
> 1/18 WaMu Theatre, Seattle, WA*
> 1/21 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA*
> 1/22 Long Beach Arena, Long Beach, CA* (tickets on sale 11/21)
> 1/23 Dodge Theatre, Phoenix, AZ**
> 1/25 Magness Arena, Denver, CO*
> 1/26 Tingley Coliseum, Albuquerque, NM*
> 1/27 El Paso Coliseum, El Paso, TX*
> 1/29 Verizon Wireless, Houston, TX**
> 1/31 Municipal Auditorium, Nashville, TN*
> 2/1 Gwinnett Arena, Duluth, GA* (tickets on sale 11/20)
> 2/2 Broadbent Arena, Louisville, KY* (tickets on sale 12/4)
> 2/4 Roy Wilkins Auditorium, Minneapolis, MN* (tickets on sale 12/4)
> 2/5 UIC Pavilion, Chicago, IL* (tickets on sale 12/4)
> 2/6 Cobo Arena, Detroit, MI*
> 2/9 Chevrolet Theatre, Wallingford, CT**
> 2/11 Izod Center, East Rutherford, NJ*
> 2/13 Susquehanna Center, Camden, NJ*
> 2/14 Tsongas Arena, Lowell, MA*
> Billetech.com
> 2/18 John Labatt Centre, London, ON � tickets on sale 11/27 via
> JohnLabattCentre.com
> 2/19 Air Canada Centre, Toronto, ON � tickets sold via Ticketmaster.ca
> 2/20 Bell Centre, Montreal, QC � tickets sold via Admission.com
> 2/22 Moncton Coliseum, Moncton, NB � tickets sold via
> MonctonColiseum.com
> 2/23 Metro Centre, Halifax, NS � tickets sold via TicketAtlantic.com
2/5 UIC Pavilion, Chicago, IL* (tickets on sale 12/4)<-- I'll be there.
John
to Lowell?
John
John
Oh well, I'll wait for someone else to stop by.
tom.m...@gmail.com
I really don't see anything on this list close enough to make the
drive.
Tom
John
--
John
TJ Xenos
would much prefer HOB, I hate going to worcester. Lowell is much more
workable than worcester as I'm located north of boston, but I'm not
sure yet. Probably worth it, depending on ticket price.
BrutalNoodle
> On Nov 17, 8:07 am, TJ Xenos <talvi...@aol.com> wrote:
>> With Testament and Megadeth
>>
>> 1/18 WaMu Theatre, Seattle, WA*
>> 1/21 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA*
>> 1/22 Long Beach Arena, Long Beach, CA* (tickets on sale 11/21)
>> 1/23 Dodge Theatre, Phoenix, AZ**
>> 1/25 Magness Arena, Denver, CO*
>> 1/26 Tingley Coliseum, Albuquerque, NM*
>> 1/27 El Paso Coliseum, El Paso, TX*
>> 1/29 Verizon Wireless, Houston, TX**
>> 1/31 Municipal Auditorium, Nashville, TN*
>> 2/1 Gwinnett Arena, Duluth, GA* (tickets on sale 11/20)
>> 2/2 Broadbent Arena, Louisville, KY* (tickets on sale 12/4)
>> 2/4 Roy Wilkins Auditorium, Minneapolis, MN* (tickets on sale 12/4)
>> 2/5 UIC Pavilion, Chicago, IL* (tickets on sale 12/4)
>> 2/6 Cobo Arena, Detroit, MI*
>> 2/9 Chevrolet Theatre, Wallingford, CT**
>> 2/11 Izod Center, East Rutherford, NJ*
>> 2/13 Susquehanna Center, Camden, NJ*
>> 2/14 Tsongas Arena, Lowell, MA*
>> Billetech.com
>> 2/18 John Labatt Centre, London, ON � tickets on sale 11/27 via
>> JohnLabattCentre.com
>> 2/19 Air Canada Centre, Toronto, ON � tickets sold via Ticketmaster.ca
>> 2/20 Bell Centre, Montreal, QC � tickets sold via Admission.com
>> 2/22 Moncton Coliseum, Moncton, NB � tickets sold via
>> MonctonColiseum.com
>> 2/23 Metro Centre, Halifax, NS � tickets sold via TicketAtlantic.com
>
> I really don't see anything on this list close enough to make the
> drive.
>
> Tom
5 hours for me.
TJ Xenos
> tom_...@juno.com wrote:
> > I really don't see anything on this list close enough to make the
> > drive.
>
> > Tom
>
> 5 hours for me.
move somewhere with some population density, fruit.
Soze
Slayer, Megadeth and Testament? I`d be prepared to travel a few hundred
miles for that.
John
"TJ Xenos" <talv...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Agreed, I'm on the north shore so if it isn't HOB and the T, Lowell is much
more do-able, especially since I need to stop in Haverhill first. OR I need
to pickup the same guy at the Manchvegas airport late Sunday afternoon and
head straight down rt 3.
--
John
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > > drive.
>
> > > Tom
>
> > 5 hours for me.
> >move somewhere with some population density, fruit.
>
> Slayer, Megadeth and Testament? I`d be prepared to travel a few hundred
> miles for that.
With my new health problems, I don't think I'm going to be doing any
500 mile drives anytime soon.
Tom
audiophile
> "TJ Xenos" <talvi...@aol.com> wrote in message
I'll be seeing the shit out of them in Toronto next year :)
e.
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james murphy for president!!!!
Soze
"tom...@juno.com" <tom.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Is diabetes that debilitating? I know a fair few people with it and it
doesn`t stop them travelling about and doing things...they just need to
watch their diet and take their pills / injections. Do you have a
particularly nasty strain of it? I hope it isn`t causing you too many
problems.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > With my new health problems, I don't think I'm going to be doing any
> > 500 mile drives anytime soon.
>
> Is diabetes that debilitating? I know a fair few people with it and it
> doesn`t stop them travelling about and doing things...they just need to
> watch their diet and take their pills / injections. Do you have a
> particularly nasty strain of it? I hope it isn`t causing you too many
> problems.
I don't know that it is, but I have to give myself 4 injections a
day. Somehow pulling over on the interstate and injecting myself
doesn't sound all that appealing. Perhaps when I get an insulin pump
things will be different.
So far, no major complications, aside from the rude awakening that
the hospital stay was.
Tom
John
"tom...@juno.com" <tom.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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4 a day?!?! Holy shite, I thought my mom was having a difficult time with
2/day. I'd forget the show and just spin the CDs
Wyrd
> "tom_...@juno.com" <tom.madm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I have been to and heard of quite a few road accidents, initially
thought to be drink drivers, but in reality were people suffering with
diabetes and had either missed a shot or had pumped themselves with
too much sugar. It doesn't happen every week, but it is not
uncommon. I am not saying Tom can't drive, but yes there are more
issues to be aware of than just jumping in your car and driving.
Anyway get well soon Tom.
E.
Wyrd
> "tom_...@juno.com" <tom.madm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
4 days is a breeze. I spent nearly a month in hospital in August. 4
days in and I am only just starting to wind up the nurses with my
grumpy self.
E.
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Soze
"Wyrd" <Wyr...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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4 days? They must have the patience of saints, deserve every penny they
get!!
Soze
A diabetic mate of mine is a driving instructor, I guess he has had the
dangers drummed into him. Have you ever come across epilectics in driving
accidents? I know someone who was banned from driving for a year after an
epilectic fit and had another one about 6 months or so after getting his
license back, always seems a bit dodgy to me.
Wyrd
Some of the nurses were excellent, but others I wouldn't trust to open
a door without fucking it up. As for the doctors, the only ones that
seemed to care were the very junior ones, who actually took the time
to answer my questions and the top surgeon who did the Op. As for the
rest, they see you for 5 mins each day, speak doctor jargon to each
other and the look they give you when you have the temerity to ask
questions is wonderful. I thoroughly enjoyed asking awkward
questions.
E.
--
Can be a real pain...
Wyrd
By law people are required to contact DVLA if they are diagnosed with
such problems. The doctors tell people this, but quite often people
don't. Which is why you sometimes get people having licences that
really shouldn't, for their safety as well as others. A retired
colleague of mine had a small spasm in his hand, contacted the DVLA
and nearly had his licence suspended, but did have his police licence
suspended. He finally got the all clear to drive again 2 weeks before
he retired.
If it was up to me, I would have peoples licences away just for being
stupid. I see it all the time in my own car, but for some reason when
I am in a company car they drive okay. Why? Why drive like a cunt
when we're not around.
E.
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and that includes taxi drivers..;-)
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > So far, no major complications, aside from the rude awakening that
> > the hospital stay was.
>
> > Tom
>
> 4 a day?!?! Holy shite, I thought my mom was having a difficult time with
> 2/day. I'd forget the show and just spin the CDs
Considering the price of tickets to any big show these days, and you
can buy several CD's for the price of one, or two tickets. Of course,
most of the bands I like don't do big shows.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> I have been to and heard of quite a few road accidents, initially
> thought to be drink drivers, but in reality were people suffering with
> diabetes and had either missed a shot or had pumped themselves with
> too much sugar. It doesn't happen every week, but it is not
> uncommon. I am not saying Tom can't drive, but yes there are more
> issues to be aware of than just jumping in your car and driving.
>
> Anyway get well soon Tom.
>
> E.
The above is true. In fact, the CSI show once had that as a reason
behind a crash.
Tom
Doing as best as I can.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> Some of the nurses were excellent, but others I wouldn't trust to open
> a door without fucking it up. As for the doctors, the only ones that
> seemed to care were the very junior ones, who actually took the time
> to answer my questions and the top surgeon who did the Op. As for the
> rest, they see you for 5 mins each day, speak doctor jargon to each
> other and the look they give you when you have the temerity to ask
> questions is wonderful. I thoroughly enjoyed asking awkward
> questions.
>
> E.
> --
> Can be a real pain...
I don't have any real negative things to say about the doctors and
nurses. They all kept a positive attitude and that helped me get
through the incident.
Tom
Maybe it's just the different country.
Wyrd
I tend to avoid CSI as it's about as close to reality as Harry Potter,
and they'll use cliché and stereotypes to portray their victims and
criminals. Pretty much the modern version of Quincy and his
moralistic crusade against everything bad back in the day - which
included heavy metal.
Why do I get worried when TV programs have hidden agendas.
E.
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Wyrd
Yes I suspect when you're directly paying for a services, the quality
of that service is better. Our NHS is free to all and the best
doctors and nurses have generally moved abroad for more money.
During my first stay in hospital I was not getting any direct feedback
from the doctors as to what was going on, until I kicked up a fuss and
then finally they reluctantly told me what was going on. Far too many
doctors and nurses treat their patients as if they were stupid rather
than just ill.
E.
John
"Wyrd" <Wyr...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Trust me, it happens when you're paying for it too. Brings up the debate we
have here in the states over single payer NHS vs quality of care. One could
make the argument that the plan is to have global health system where
doctors and nurses wouldn't have the opportunity to go elsewhere to earn
more. Me thinks knowing they move now for the larger salary that they
simply wouldn't go into the field of medicine.
--
John (all I want to know is how much more will it cost me)
Soze
When I used to pick people up from hospitals I`d say it was about 50/50 on
positive/negative comments. Usually the negativity was about the state of
the hospital though, most people had nothing but praise for the people that
worked there. Touch wood I haven`t had a need for a hospital stay since I
had my tonsils taken out as a 10 year old so I can`t comment much.
Soze
I`d never choose the purchase of a CD over a live show. A CD can be bought
any time, the experience & fun of a day out with mates / great live
performance you can`t go back to if you`ve missed.
John
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John
"Wyrd" <Wyr...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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E. He's talking about the number of insulin injection per day he needs to
use.
You, my friend, win the hospital stay award for the decade....an award we
don't want to see you defend.
Soze
Keep up with the times...I`m free to slag off taxi drivers as much as the
next man nowadays!
Actually it was probably taxi driving that calmed me down as a driver ( not
that I was ever a boy racer or anything but I`d often drive faster than I
should, often without meaning to, just creeping over the limit without
realising it. Riding bikes I used to find it almost impossible to stick to
70 on the motorway. They`re just not designed for it ). When you`re driving
all the time you just mellow out and can`t be arsed. I learnt to stick to
speed limits as the risk of losing your license was too great. I pretty much
detest driving now after 8 years of doing it for a living. Would quite
happily do without one altogether if I worked nearer my house!
Wyrd
I probably read that initially at stoopid O'Clock in the morning or
night. Most of the time I am half asleep on here. It helps dull the
pain.
> You, my friend, win the hospital stay award for the decade....an award we
> don't want to see you defend.
Why thankee, one I wish never to repeat.
E.
Soze
"John" <itsn...@here.com> wrote in message
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I don`t really understand how there can be an argument *against* free health
care. I find the idea that the only people that can get treatment are those
that can afford it to be both abhorrent and barbaric. Perhaps it`s just
something we`re used to over here. Didn`t Schuldiner die because he couldn`t
afford the treatment costs? Why are the rich more deserving of life? With
NHS there is still the option of private health care for those that want /
can afford to pay to avoid waiting lists and go to posher hospitals.
Wyrd
Yes I know, but I can still poke fun at your previous job and one you
might go back to.
>
> Actually it was probably taxi driving that calmed me down as a driver ( not
> that I was ever a boy racer or anything but I`d often drive faster than I
> should, often without meaning to, just creeping over the limit without
> realising it. Riding bikes I used to find it almost impossible to stick to
> 70 on the motorway. They`re just not designed for it ). When you`re driving
> all the time you just mellow out and can`t be arsed. I learnt to stick to
> speed limits as the risk of losing your license was too great. I pretty much
> detest driving now after 8 years of doing it for a living. Would quite
> happily do without one altogether if I worked nearer my house!
I generally stick to the speed limits for the most part, especially if
I have white van man nearly inside my boot. Even better is when I
enter a 30 zone and I am bang on 30 (we're forced to do this while
training). I can nearly hear the road-rage.
E.
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Wyrd
I would suggest you speak to people that have been in a while. I
wasn't the only one frustrated with the lack of information, care or
procedures. Each and every time I have been over the last 3 years (a
total of 4 stay with probably 8 weeks in total), I have come away with
the same feelings.
E.
Soze
I don`t think there`s much chance of that. Whilst it had it`s plus points
( metal all day, pick and choose your hours / days off, no boss as such to
worry about ) it was had far too many negative ones, especially in a
recession. I`ve left it in a degree of debt...nothing outrageous but enough
to be annoying. I spent almost two and a half grand on car repairs in the
final 12 months and the days I worked were almost always dead...that last
year was fucking awful to be honest!
> Actually it was probably taxi driving that calmed me down as a driver (
> not
> that I was ever a boy racer or anything but I`d often drive faster than I
> should, often without meaning to, just creeping over the limit without
> realising it. Riding bikes I used to find it almost impossible to stick to
> 70 on the motorway. They`re just not designed for it ). When you`re
> driving
> all the time you just mellow out and can`t be arsed. I learnt to stick to
> speed limits as the risk of losing your license was too great. I pretty
> much
> detest driving now after 8 years of doing it for a living. Would quite
> happily do without one altogether if I worked nearer my house!
>I generally stick to the speed limits for the most part, especially if
>I have white van man nearly inside my boot. Even better is when I
>enter a 30 zone and I am bang on 30 (we're forced to do this while
>training). I can nearly hear the road-rage.
Do you stick to speed limits on the motorway? I usually find police drice a
tad under as, let`s be honest, if everyone drove bang on 70mph it would be
painful. When it comes to motorway driving I`ve always thought it bad
driving rather than fast driving to be the danger ( within limits of
course ). Someone doing 90mph on an empty, free stretch of motorway isn`t as
much of a worry as someone doing 50mph but bang up the arse of the driver in
front.
Wyrd
> "John" <itsno...@here.com> wrote in message
The problems come when care is either given or refused to those people
that bring it on themselves. For example that 22 year old fella that
died because the hospital refused to operate to transplant his liver
(or kidney) because he wouldn't give up drinking. Did he deserve the
care and treatment needed as he had been a binge drinker from an early
age. Did he deserve to die for an addiction. Hard questions.
We'll not mention treatment of the obese as that's a sensitive subject
to our American friends.
E.
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Stop eating you fat fuckers....;-)
Soze
I hadn`t heard that story...the problem with this is how far do you take
lack or responsibility? Are smokers refused lung transplants? Is someone who
has a heart attack after a life of slobbing refused help? Is someone who
drives too fast and crashes into a wall left to die? I`m not sure you can
pick and choose who deserves care....but at the same time I can understand
the anger some may feel to someone who accepts care and then blatantly
continues to live the lifestyle that caused the problems in the first place.
>We'll not mention treatment of the obese as that's a sensitive subject
>to our American friends.
There was a guy in the papers the other week who`s ambition was to become
the fattest man in the UK ( or possibly the world, I can`t remember ). He
costs the state a fortune to keep alive as he can barely move to wipe his
own ass.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > behind a crash.
>
> > Tom
>
> > Doing as best as I can.
>
> I tend to avoid CSI as it's about as close to reality as Harry Potter,
> and they'll use cliché and stereotypes to portray their victims and
> criminals. Pretty much the modern version of Quincy and his
> moralistic crusade against everything bad back in the day - which
> included heavy metal.
>
> Why do I get worried when TV programs have hidden agendas.
>
> E.
> --
I did watch Quincy occasionally, but I don''t remember much about it
now, after all these years.
Otherwise, some escapism is fine. (CSI and other TV shows.)
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I don't have any real negative things to say about the doctors and
> > nurses. They all kept a positive attitude and that helped me get
> > through the incident.
>
> > Tom
>
> > Maybe it's just the different country.
>
> Yes I suspect when you're directly paying for a services, the quality
> of that service is better. Our NHS is free to all and the best
> doctors and nurses have generally moved abroad for more money.
> During my first stay in hospital I was not getting any direct feedback
> from the doctors as to what was going on, until I kicked up a fuss and
> then finally they reluctantly told me what was going on. Far too many
> doctors and nurses treat their patients as if they were stupid rather
> than just ill.
>
> E.
They figured out pretty quickly what was wrong with me, and began
treatment within 30 minutes of going into the er. It was all in all,
about as good an experience as can be expected under the
circumstances. The alternative was slipping into a coma and perhaps
death.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> have here in the states over single payer NHS vs quality of care. One could
> make the argument that the plan is to have global health system where
> doctors and nurses wouldn't have the opportunity to go elsewhere to earn
> more. Me thinks knowing they move now for the larger salary that they
> simply wouldn't go into the field of medicine.
>
> --
> John (all I want to know is how much more will it cost me)
I believe some of them move to the US because, lets face it, some of
the countries they come from are not exactly high on the vacation
destination list.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > 2/day. I'd forget the show and just spin the CDs
> > Considering the price of tickets to any big show these days, and you
> >can buy several CD's for the price of one, or two tickets. Of course,
> >most of the bands I like don't do big shows.
>
> I`d never choose the purchase of a CD over a live show. A CD can be bought
> any time, the experience & fun of a day out with mates / great live
> performance you can`t go back to if you`ve missed.
I've never had quite the great concert experience though. Most were
fun, but in the end it's just a memory. With a CD, you can replay the
memory anytime you feel like it. And with major shows having $45-55
cheap tickets, that's up to 4 or 5 new CD's.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > 4 days is a breeze. I spent nearly a month in hospital in August. 4
> > days in and I am only just starting to wind up the nurses with my
> > grumpy self.
>
> E. He's talking about the number of insulin injection per day he needs to
> use.
> You, my friend, win the hospital stay award for the decade....an award we
> don't want to see you defend.
And an award I don't think any of us would want to break by having a
longer stay. And yes, it is 4 injections per day, not to mention at
least 4 finger sticks to get blood for testing blood sugar levels. And
the sticking hurts a lot more than the shot. The shot is a mental
thing, you have to overcome the idea of sticking yourself with a
needle. Once you do stick, though the insulin needle is small and
sharp, and you barely feel it.
The blood sugar testing lance is a small, sharp pin that is spring
loaded, and sometimes you hit a spot that hurts a lot more than other
times. They state nearly pain free testing, but it's not always the
case.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > E. He's talking about the number of insulin injection per day he needs to
> > use.
>
> I probably read that initially at stoopid O'Clock in the morning or
> night. Most of the time I am half asleep on here. It helps dull the
> pain.
>
> > You, my friend, win the hospital stay award for the decade....an award we
> > don't want to see you defend.
>
> Why thankee, one I wish never to repeat.
>
> E.
Yeah, I hope you never have to go through that again, either.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> that bring it on themselves. For example that 22 year old fella that
> died because the hospital refused to operate to transplant his liver
> (or kidney) because he wouldn't give up drinking. Did he deserve the
> care and treatment needed as he had been a binge drinker from an early
> age. Did he deserve to die for an addiction. Hard questions.
>
> We'll not mention treatment of the obese as that's a sensitive subject
> to our American friends.
>
> E.
> --
> Stop eating you fat fuckers....;-)
5-9, about 150 pounds. Hardly fat here. At least, not me. As to the
questions of someone that young dying from not being able to get a
liver or kidneys. That's just frightening. The thing I worry about is,
nearing the end, some one on a government panel saying, well, you're
70, you've got all sorts of health problems. This treatment probably
won't give you much time, so we can't justify spending all this cash
for you. How much is 6 more months, a year, 2 years or 5 more years
worth to someone?
Tom
Wyrd
Escapism is fine, but when people turn around to you and say "I have
seen them do X,Y and Z on CSI, why aren't you doing the same". I tend
to find escapism in programs well away from the day job, though I do
find I really enjoy Lie To Me, which is excellent.
E.
--
Wyrd
I suspect I might at some point, but hopefully that's some time in the
future.
E.
--
Wyrd
> > The problems come when care is either given or refused to those people
> > that bring it on themselves. For example that 22 year old fella that
> > died because the hospital refused to operate to transplant his liver
> > (or kidney) because he wouldn't give up drinking. Did he deserve the
> > care and treatment needed as he had been a binge drinker from an early
> > age. Did he deserve to die for an addiction. Hard questions.
>
> > We'll not mention treatment of the obese as that's a sensitive subject
> > to our American friends.
>
> > E.
> > --
> > Stop eating you fat fuckers....;-)
>
> 5-9, about 150 pounds. Hardly fat here. At least, not me. As to the
> questions of someone that young dying from not being able to get a
> liver or kidneys. That's just frightening.
The hospital had a policy that any one eligible for a transplant had
to be off alcohol for a period of at least 6 months. The guy didn't
stop drinking, so didn't get his operation, and then died. He was
warned 4 years before he died about his drinking.
> The thing I worry about is,
> nearing the end, some one on a government panel saying, well, you're
> 70, you've got all sorts of health problems. This treatment probably
> won't give you much time, so we can't justify spending all this cash
> for you. How much is 6 more months, a year, 2 years or 5 more years
> worth to someone?
That effectively happens hear. People have been refused expensive
cancer treatments.
E.
>
> Tom
cailinsdad
>
>2/5 UIC Pavilion, Chicago, IL* (tickets on sale 12/4)<-- I'll be there.
Me as well, but I have to say I hate this venue. I would much rather
it was the Aragon Ballroom.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I did watch Quincy occasionally, but I don''t remember much about it
> > now, after all these years.
> > Otherwise, some escapism is fine. (CSI and other TV shows.)
>
> > Tom
>
> Escapism is fine, but when people turn around to you and say "I have
> seen them do X,Y and Z on CSI, why aren't you doing the same". I tend
> to find escapism in programs well away from the day job, though I do
> find I really enjoy Lie To Me, which is excellent.
>
> E.
> --
As long as people understand it's a TV show, and that things happen
faster on that because they have a one hour time slot. CSI isn't
exactly reality, and I think they'd admit it (producers, writers and
such)
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > > Why thankee, one I wish never to repeat.
>
> > > E.
>
> > Yeah, I hope you never have to go through that again, either.
>
> > Tom
>
> I suspect I might at some point, but hopefully that's some time in the
> future.
>
> E.
> --
The far away future.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
>
> > 5-9, about 150 pounds. Hardly fat here. At least, not me. As to the
> > questions of someone that young dying from not being able to get a
> > liver or kidneys. That's just frightening.
>
> The hospital had a policy that any one eligible for a transplant had
> to be off alcohol for a period of at least 6 months. The guy didn't
> stop drinking, so didn't get his operation, and then died. He was
> warned 4 years before he died about his drinking.
That is a harsh policy for someone only 22 when they died. I guess
he did bring it on himself by not stopping, but it is a hard addiction
to break.
I have to give up alcohol, although I don't think I had a real big
problem with it. I'd drink a few beers a few times a week, maybe
drinking about 1 six pack and a couple extras a week. Maybe a 12 pack
a week when I drank an extra night.
I've heard some say they drink a six pack a night or worse. In light
of that, what I drank seems quite light.
> > The thing I worry about is,
> > nearing the end, some one on a government panel saying, well, you're
> > 70, you've got all sorts of health problems. This treatment probably
> > won't give you much time, so we can't justify spending all this cash
> > for you. How much is 6 more months, a year, 2 years or 5 more years
> > worth to someone?
>
> That effectively happens here. People have been refused expensive
> cancer treatments.
>
> E.
I know, and it's a hard thing to accept. If the treatment won't
help, then I can understand, but if it would work, and the person may
live 10 more years (or longer) then it becomes a lot harder to accept.
If the person is 90, and the treatment may or may not work, then
that's a different thing.
But to die at 22 for any reason, seems unacceptable all around.
Tom
Wyrd
I suspect there are a lot of people out there that fully believe CSI
to be true. It's not a new phenomenon for people to confuse fiction
and reality, as when Conan Doyle was first published in The Strand
people full believed that Holmes was a real person. The gullibility
of some people still astounds me even now.
E.
Wyrd
Hopefully at least a year away, so I can fully recover from this years
procedure. My long recovery at the moment is down to the major
surgery undergone and the general state of my health when I had the
operation, which was very poor. When I go for the next op I should be
a lot fitter, so the recovery time should be a lot shorter.
E.
--
Wyrd
> On Nov 21, 12:09 pm, Wyrd <Wyr...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > 5-9, about 150 pounds. Hardly fat here. At least, not me. As to the
> > > questions of someone that young dying from not being able to get a
> > > liver or kidneys. That's just frightening.
>
> > The hospital had a policy that any one eligible for a transplant had
> > to be off alcohol for a period of at least 6 months. The guy didn't
> > stop drinking, so didn't get his operation, and then died. He was
> > warned 4 years before he died about his drinking.
>
> That is a harsh policy for someone only 22 when they died. I guess
> he did bring it on himself by not stopping, but it is a hard addiction
> to break.
If someone told me, stop drinking or you'll die, I would stop
drinking. To be an alcoholic at such an early age is a sad state of
affairs. Unfortunately I know a few people like him through work.
> I have to give up alcohol, although I don't think I had a real big
> problem with it. I'd drink a few beers a few times a week, maybe
> drinking about 1 six pack and a couple extras a week. Maybe a 12 pack
> a week when I drank an extra night.
> I've heard some say they drink a six pack a night or worse. In light
> of that, what I drank seems quite light.
I stopped drinking for 2 years and since I started again I haven't
gone back to the same levels of drinking as before. I am not drinking
the same amount per week or getting through the same volume per
night. I probably haven't stupidly drunk for about 3 years. I don't
miss it, but still enjoy drinking.
>
> > > The thing I worry about is,
> > > nearing the end, some one on a government panel saying, well, you're
> > > 70, you've got all sorts of health problems. This treatment probably
> > > won't give you much time, so we can't justify spending all this cash
> > > for you. How much is 6 more months, a year, 2 years or 5 more years
> > > worth to someone?
>
> > That effectively happens here. People have been refused expensive
> > cancer treatments.
>
> > E.
>
> I know, and it's a hard thing to accept. If the treatment won't
> help, then I can understand, but if it would work, and the person may
> live 10 more years (or longer) then it becomes a lot harder to accept.
> If the person is 90, and the treatment may or may not work, then
> that's a different thing.
> But to die at 22 for any reason, seems unacceptable all around.
I am sure the lad had plenty of advise. At some point you have to
take some responsibility for what you're doing. Far too often people
want to blame everything and everybody else for their current plight.
Just suck it up, and get on with it.
E.
--
Soze
I`d miss the social side of drinking more than the drinking itself. I pretty
much never drink at home but I do enjoy a few pints down the pub every
fortnight or so...plus at gigs and festivals of course. I couldn`t go to the
pub and nurse a couple of glasses of coke all night.
I`d miss tea far more than beer if I`m honest!
Soze
Are you still off work?
Soze
"tom...@juno.com" <tom.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:202211c3-2a53-4dca...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
I`ve never seen it. I hardly ever watch the TV...I read something recently
that proclaimed to list the 25 most important TV programmes of the last
decade...I`d seen less than half a dozen of them. I think this year the only
shows I`ve made an effort to watch have been Ashes to Ashes, Psychoville and
the 2 Dr Who specials ( aside from the news and odd football match ). I do
fritter away endless hours on the internet and xbox mind.
Wyrd
Yeah but hopefully not for much longer. Just need to get to the stage
where doing jobs around the house doesn't leave me knackered. Then I
can confidently go back to work, build my hours up and return to full
duties. If I rush back then I'll just end up back in hospital again.
Done that once already.
E.
--
Wyrd
> "tom_...@juno.com" <tom.madm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
The only programs I try to catch are Lie to Me, The James May Toy
Story programmes, Top Gear, Deadliest Catch and American Chopper.
While you're on the xbox I am on WoW. I don't miss TV. I had a few
months before and after my op where I just couldn't face being on the
computer. So all I did was watch TV....was not my idea of fun. My
only solace was all the discovery channels.
E.
Wyrd
I like to relax at home with a few tins. Nothing excessive but it
keeps me happy.
E.
Soze
Top Gear is the only one of those I`ve heard of...and I`m not remotely
interested in cars so never watch it.
>While you're on the xbox I am on WoW. I don't miss TV. I had a few
>months before and after my op where I just couldn't face being on the
>computer. So all I did was watch TV....was not my idea of fun. My
>only solace was all the discovery channels.
My computer would struggle to run games nowadays and has a tendency to crash
a lot so I just stick to the xbox. Must have been dull trying to entertain
yourself with the television, especially feeling shit at the same time. You
must be itching to get back to work by now.
Wyrd
I am not that fussed about cars either, but it's an excellent
entertainment program. I don't watch the channel 5 version, 5th Gear
as that is more serious about cars.
>
> >While you're on the xbox I am on WoW. I don't miss TV. I had a few
> >months before and after my op where I just couldn't face being on the
> >computer. So all I did was watch TV....was not my idea of fun. My
> >only solace was all the discovery channels.
>
> My computer would struggle to run games nowadays and has a tendency to crash
> a lot so I just stick to the xbox. Must have been dull trying to entertain
> yourself with the television, especially feeling shit at the same time. You
> must be itching to get back to work by now.
Yeah I need to get back to work for my sanity....wibble.
E.
--
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > As long as people understand it's a TV show, and that things happen
> > faster on that because they have a one hour time slot. CSI isn't
> > exactly reality, and I think they'd admit it (producers, writers and
> > such)
>
> > Tom
>
> I suspect there are a lot of people out there that fully believe CSI
> to be true. It's not a new phenomenon for people to confuse fiction
> and reality, as when Conan Doyle was first published in The Strand
> people full believed that Holmes was a real person. The gullibility
> of some people still astounds me even now.
>
> E.
CSI's hatching probably stemmed from programs on Discovery channel.
Forensic files/medical detectives and such.
But, yes, it is a television program ffs.
Tom
It's as real as any of those reality shows.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > The far away future.
>
> > Tom
>
> Hopefully at least a year away, so I can fully recover from this years
> procedure. My long recovery at the moment is down to the major
> surgery undergone and the general state of my health when I had the
> operation, which was very poor. When I go for the next op I should be
> a lot fitter, so the recovery time should be a lot shorter.
>
> E.
> --
Major surgery? Yeah, I hope when it's time for your next op, you are
a lot fitter.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I've heard some say they drink a six pack a night or worse. In light
> > of that, what I drank seems quite light.
>
> I stopped drinking for 2 years and since I started again I haven't
> gone back to the same levels of drinking as before. I am not drinking
> the same amount per week or getting through the same volume per
> night. I probably haven't stupidly drunk for about 3 years. I don't
> miss it, but still enjoy drinking.
I am on blood pressure medication, although, in reality I didn't
have high blood pressure. It's just a preventative thing my doctor
advised me on. Alcohol can raise bp, and in general does not mix with
medication. It also does not help blood sugar control. So I should not
drink. Beer also has carbs, which doesn't help either.
> > But to die at 22 for any reason, seems unacceptable all around.
>
> I am sure the lad had plenty of advise. At some point you have to
> take some responsibility for what you're doing. Far too often people
> want to blame everything and everybody else for their current plight.
> Just suck it up, and get on with it.
>
> E.
> --
I agree, but 22, dead? That's just so wrong on every level.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> >miss it, but still enjoy drinking.
>
> I`d miss the social side of drinking more than the drinking itself. I pretty
> much never drink at home but I do enjoy a few pints down the pub every
> fortnight or so...plus at gigs and festivals of course. I couldn`t go to the
> pub and nurse a couple of glasses of coke all night.
>
> I`d miss tea far more than beer if I`m honest!
Ever add anything to the tea? Like some whiskey?
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> I`ve never seen it. I hardly ever watch the TV...I read something recently
> that proclaimed to list the 25 most important TV programmes of the last
> decade...I`d seen less than half a dozen of them. I think this year the only
> shows I`ve made an effort to watch have been Ashes to Ashes, Psychoville and
> the 2 Dr Who specials ( aside from the news and odd football match ). I do
> fritter away endless hours on the internet and xbox mind.
But of course. Who doesn't fritter away endless hours on stuff like
that?
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > My computer would struggle to run games nowadays and has a tendency to crash
> > a lot so I just stick to the xbox. Must have been dull trying to entertain
> > yourself with the television, especially feeling shit at the same time. You
> > must be itching to get back to work by now.
>
> Yeah I need to get back to work for my sanity....wibble.
>
> E.
> --
And to think I thought it was hard to be off work for a couple
weeks. They did miss me at work. I do crap no one else wants to do, so
as much job security as can be in a general recession.
Tom
BrutalNoodle
BrutalNoodle
> On Nov 18, 11:40 am, BrutalNoodle <eatme@.com> wrote:
>> tom_...@juno.com wrote:
>>> I really don't see anything on this list close enough to make the
>>> drive.
>>> Tom
>> 5 hours for me.
>
> move somewhere with some population density, fruit.
350K is more than enough for me! That said, it is a musical void.
Then again, I'm going to see Megadeth & Warbringer on Mon the 7th
and it's only a 75 min drive.