The Eminem FAQ v1.0
netweasel
This isn't alt.music.rap
Bombtrackz wrote in message <3720c...@204.138.111.13>...
>I've been working on an Eminem frequently asked questions (FAQ), and it's
>finally done. You can check it out at
>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/5676/eminemfaqhp.html
>Let me know what you think.
>
>Thanks,
>s...@connection.com
>
>
string 'em up
Netweasel, F You. First you knock Rage, BR, et. al. for campaigning for not
just a new trial for Mumia but an overall of the criminal justice system in
general, and now you knock Eminem. You really want to get on my bad side,
don't'cha? -- ----- "You can wax my huge spoon."-Bob, Prince of Insufficient
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netweasel
alt.music.crap. Fuck Rage, Fuck Eminem, Fuck T-Pac, Fuck Mumia. I don't
respect any of a convicted rapist, or someone who idealizes him so much.
string 'em up wrote in message <7fqpfd$lml$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <b14U2.36$Q36.3328@nntp1>,
netweasel
J. Walter wrote in message <7fr8b4$23i$0...@199.201.191.2>...
>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:34:08 -0400, "netweasel" <ry...@nac.net> wrote:
>
>>You do notice that this is a SKA newsgroup.
>
>What the fuck are you talking about? Don't you look at the "to:" part
>of posts? If you had, you would have seen "rec.music.hip-hop" as one
>of the designated groups. Even if he HAD exclusively posted to your
>little ska group, you don't have to go off giving him shit about it.
>Calm the fuck down "netweasel".
>
>--Justin
>
>
>I swiched my motto/Instead of saying fuck tommorrow/
>That buck that bought a bottle/Could have struck the
>lotto--Nasty Nas
SirJoekr
vanilla ice, ...actually, he's worse, cuz he doesn't even have happenin'
hair...
jOe
____________________________________________________________________
WWW.MTSKA.COM
The #1 source for ska News Interviews and Reviews!
Hail Zahd.
J. Walter
Skagnostic
>vanilla ice, ...actually, he's worse, cuz he doesn't even have happenin'
>hair...
>jOe
That's the whole point, he's a big f'ing joke.
Harry "I'm listening to...oh nevermind." Sanger
-Harry Sanger -
'66 Lambretta Li150
HeyHepCat
>vanilla ice, ...actually, he's worse, cuz he doesn't even have happenin'
>hair...
>jOe
I've been saying the same thing. He should save his money like Vanilla did. I
don't know how much we will be hearing from Slim Shady in the future. The song
was pretty funny the first time I heard it, but with all funny type songs, it
just becomes less and less funny each time you hear it.
--Dana B.
Dana Lynn Bitetti
Bryn Mawr College '00
Linguistics
HeyH...@aol.com or dbit...@brynmawr.edu
ICQ# 9435354
--A language is merely a dialect with an army.
HeyHepCat
Yet.......
JoeRoss578
>was pretty funny the first time I heard it, but with all funny type songs, it
>just becomes less and less funny each time you hear it.
>
>
As it is with all "funny" songs that get played over and over again.....If he
stayed underground, he would've been more respected....It's like a black guy
suddenly becoming big in country music; doesn't fit the stereotype of that
musical genre......I think his whole album is a riot though......
< Joe Ross >
SirJoekr
over to columnbine and made the world a better place... ah well, there's
always kosovo...
jOe
>I've been saying the same thing. He should save his money like Vanilla did.
>I
>don't know how much we will be hearing from Slim Shady in the future. The
>song
>was pretty funny the first time I heard it, but with all funny type songs, it
>just becomes less and less funny each time you hear it.
>
>--Dana B.
>
>Dana Lynn Bitetti
>Bryn Mawr College '00
>Linguistics
>HeyH...@aol.com or dbit...@brynmawr.edu
>ICQ# 9435354
>--A language is merely a dialect with an army.
____________________________________________________________________
SirJoekr
Ah, but you forget... actually, i forget - who was the orginal member of the
skatalites that went skitzo and killed his wife, or something along them
lines?
jOe
PeridotCat
>skatalites that went skitzo and killed his wife, or something along them
>lines?
don drummond.
trombone.
*always reminds me of sid vicious.
wasnt it don drummond that wore many gold rings on fingers? ( i do believe i
read that someplace)
amy.
a blah blah blah blah connecticut pride a blah blah blah blah
James Brown
netweasel wrote in message ...
>Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
Yeah, it's a shame isn't it.
Peace,
Chris "Okonkwo" Brown
netweasel
SirJoekr wrote in message <19990424013933...@ng61.aol.com>...
>>Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
>
>Ah, but you forget... actually, i forget - who was the orginal member of
the
>skatalites that went skitzo and killed his wife, or something along them
>lines?
Michael Caputo
>
> netweasel wrote in message ...
> >Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
>
>
> Peace,
> Chris "Okonkwo" Brown
hahah... I can't remember any of the other characters in that novel,
but I knew from the start that things fall apart.
-Mike C
--
"Hit me again, Gustav!"
-Dick Saunders
SirJoekr
>trombone.
>*always reminds me of sid vicious.
>
There you go.... I thought it was him but not tooo sure.
I don't know about the next part though... ?
jOe
>wasnt it don drummond that wore many gold rings on fingers? ( i do believe i
>read that someplace)
>
>amy.
Max Cohen
netweasel <ry...@nac.net> wrote in message news:bYaU2.71$Q36.7452@nntp1...
> Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
>
Darren Pakravan
>
> WHY WOULD WE CARE ABOUT THAT!!??!!??
>
> This isn't alt.music.rap
>
> Bombtrackz wrote in message <3720c...@204.138.111.13>...
> >I've been working on an Eminem frequently asked questions (FAQ), and it's
> >finally done. You can check it out at
> >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/5676/eminemfaqhp.html
> >Let me know what you think.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >s...@connection.com
> >
> >
--
Darren Pakravan
eldo...@nwu.edu
***this is my real email***
Joyride Radio:
http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~dcp210/halfass.htm
Murat Dag
Murat
netweasel <ry...@nac.net> wrote in message news:b14U2.36$Q36.3328@nntp1...
> WHY WOULD WE CARE ABOUT THAT!!??!!??
>
> This isn't alt.music.rap
>
>
Murat Dag
the kind of music you like or anything, but you're really out of your
league... LOL
Murat
netweasel <ry...@nac.net> wrote in message news:bYaU2.71$Q36.7452@nntp1...
PeridotCat
explain please.
thanks
amy
Jaime Khublal
Heheh... yeah, that's like calling John Coltrane or Mingus or some
one of those damn jazzers an artist. And what about those morons like
Debussy, Vaughan-Williams, or Jacques Ibert? You've got to be kidding.
---
Sideshow Jaime
"I don't say evasion, I say avoision."
-Kent Brockman
Murat Dag (mu...@u.arizona.edu) wrote:
: Ska artists? LOL You actually call them "artists"? I'm not trying to diss
: Murat
: >
: >
netweasel
"Raising Hell" tour.
Murat Dag wrote in message <7ft9dn$re$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu>...
JoeRoss578
>"Raising Hell" tour.
Fuck off......Another person who obviously doesn't know a god damn
thing........
< Joe Ross >
netweasel
think all de' boss DJ's came from??
you = ignorant
JoeRoss578 wrote in message
<19990425020522...@ng-fc1.aol.com>...
Aaron
That was un fucking called for, asshole.
--
Aaron Campeau
http://www.cco.net/campeau/jds/
The Juvenile Delinquents-Proud Supporters Of Necrophilia Since 1997
Aaron
>
> >Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
>
>
> --Dana B.
Damn, where the hell is Sean McSean when you need him?
--
Aaron "Fuck Unity" Campeau
Aaron
>
> Heheh... yeah, that's like calling John Coltrane or Mingus or > some
> one of those damn jazzers an artist. And what about those morons like
> Debussy, Vaughan-Williams, or Jacques Ibert? You've got to be kidding.
Dood, ska and jazz aren't anything alike...I mean, ska's all punk with
horns and, like, a guitar that plays an upstroke...and it's all about
unity...duh.
--
Aaron Campeau
christopher
-christopher
living in mono, thinking in stereo
Aaron <cam...@cco.net> wrote in message news:3722C0...@cco.net...
ComHugeCo
>this thread is more tasteless than new jersey.
>
>-christopher
Nothing is more tasteless than New Jersey.
Nothing.
-rs
____________________________
"Don't shoot someone tomorrow
that you can shoot today."
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__________________________________________
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ZeroHero
netweasel wrote in message
>BTW, ska music is the basis for rap music. Learn your
roots, where do you
>think all de' boss DJ's came from??
Ya know, my favorite pastime is using that one on my
sister when she says that no one likes my music. She made
me explain it to her....I don't know a *whole* lot about
it, but I did convince her to shut up.
-Sean
MrBammy
They just kill their wives....
Xx Adie xX
>
So don't post to it.
S'that so hard?
-- 80 --
~
"It is better to ask some of the questions than to know all of the answers" -
Thurber
~
Remove "plessita" before replyin' to me.
~
MrBammy
the kind of music you like or anything, but you're really out of your
league... LOL<<
Yes....ecspecially the brass players in good bands. Those complicated jazz
solos mean nothing in your book I guess
netweasel
load eachother up with bullets.
Aaron wrote in message <3722BE...@cco.net>...
>> Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
>
>That was un fucking called for, asshole.
netweasel
sit for a little and witness the magical event of it turning white to clear
from all the puification chemicals and airation :)
christopher wrote in message ...
>this thread is more tasteless than new jersey.
>
>-christopher
>
>living in mono, thinking in stereo
>
>
>Aaron <cam...@cco.net> wrote in message news:3722C0...@cco.net...
>>> (Heavy sarcasm warning!)
>>>
>>> Heheh... yeah, that's like calling John Coltrane or Mingus or >
>some
>>> one of those damn jazzers an artist. And what about those morons like
>>> Debussy, Vaughan-Williams, or Jacques Ibert? You've got to be kidding.
>>
>>Dood, ska and jazz aren't anything alike...I mean, ska's all punk with
>>horns and, like, a guitar that plays an upstroke...and it's all about
>>unity...duh.
Xx Adie xX
>load eachother up with bullets.
Maybe they should... then more people would like them.... then all the
rudegirls can start dressing like completely whorish sluts... and then it'd
have to get overplayed on MTV and every other shitty radio station... THEN it
could be cool like rap.
Don't you guys know ANYTHING?,
netweasel
70's and 80's songs.
Xx Adie xX wrote in message <19990425113613...@ng67.aol.com>...
HeyHepCat
>http://www.tickling.com for Gothic MPG files.
>
>
What the hell does this have to do with anything on this thread?
--Dana B.
Dana Lynn Bitetti
Bryn Mawr College '00
Linguistics
HeyH...@aol.com or dbit...@brynmawr.edu
ICQ# 9435354
--A language is merely a dialect with an army.
HeyHepCat
>Oh, I am sorry that ska artists don't hide in their big fancy cars and then
>load eachother up with bullets.
>
You are making gross generalizations.
HeyHepCat
Way to clog up the newsgroup.
You can stop now...i have seen this post over 20 times.
ComHugeCo
>You can stop now...i have seen this post over 20 times.
>
>--Dana B.
Way to clog up the newsgroup.
You can stop now...i have seen this post over 20 times.
-rs
XTAXIx
>>You can stop now...i have seen this post over 20 times.
>>
>>--Dana B.
>
>Way to clog up the newsgroup.
>You can stop now...i have seen this post over 20 times.
Way to clog up the--oh wait, nevermind.
--d.
PeridotCat
1. artist is a term used to describe the singer/band etc... when you write up a
contract. so even if you dont think they are
*making* art, hence not an "artist", you can call them artists because its
their given name in the "industry" .
2. im seconding dana with "You are making gross generalizations."
3. "And a loser/producer could make it big off one of the deaths and sampling
70's and 80's songs."
and how many tribute to roland alphonso or tommy mccook things have their been?
(And im not talking about the benefits either....)
and furthermore...we all know that using old rhythms and stuff is a part of
some good ska/reggae etc.. so umm i would imagine that sampling is close.....
4 <<then all the rudegirls can start dressing like completely whorish sluts...
>>
when dont i? i mean....err..umm..hahhahaha :D
amy
oh yah. Aggro Rude Girls Attack and stuff.....
hehheh
*BY THE WAY* if anyone uses a pop3 account and has aol...could you tell me what
aols stmp id thing is??*
P J C
know one of the Thompson Twins killed someone though.
netweasel
<19990425160348...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>umm
>1. artist is a term used to describe the singer/band etc... when you write
up a
>contract. so even if you dont think they are
>*making* art, hence not an "artist", you can call them artists because its
>their given name in the "industry" .
True.
>2. im seconding dana with "You are making gross generalizations."
Really. Pick up a paper, turn on the TV.
>3. "And a loser/producer could make it big off one of the deaths and
sampling
>70's and 80's songs."
>
>and how many tribute to roland alphonso or tommy mccook things have their
been?
Triubutes are one thing. Using the exact sample, THE EXACT SAMPLE and just
adding a few Bass beats is another. People like Puff Daddy and WIll Smith
make their living off re-releasing old songs.
>(And im not talking about the benefits either....)
>
>and furthermore...we all know that using old rhythms and stuff is a part of
>some good ska/reggae etc.. so umm i would imagine that sampling is
close.....
And how many of these songs go platinum. Most of these are done in tributes
and out of respect. Rap stars do it for $$$$
>4 <<then all the rudegirls can start dressing like completely whorish
sluts...
>>>
>
>when dont i? i mean....err..umm..hahhahaha :D
I mean, look at Amy's butt,
Michael Caputo
>
>
> Triubutes are one thing. Using the exact sample, THE EXACT SAMPLE and just
> adding a few Bass beats is another. People like Puff Daddy and WIll Smith
> make their living off re-releasing old songs.
yo.... knock puff daddy all you want, but you best watch it when dealing
wit Will Smith.
-Mike C
--
"Hit me again, Gustav!"
-Dick Saunders
netweasel
atleast he's got an excuse, he's got 2 J-O-B's :)
Michael Caputo wrote in message <37237D...@glazunov.dc.yale.edu>...
Mu330Stuff
>> make their living off re-releasing old songs.
And ska artists (some) aren't?
Your "high on life" kinda guy,
XXX Matteos XXX
"Fetch me my long sword, ho" - Lord Capulet
Aaron
> load eachother up with bullets.
Netweasel=Generalizing, ignorant, underground-culture-ignoring, asshole.
Yossarian
HeyHepCat <heyh...@aol.compost> wrote in message
news:19990424000617...@ng11.aol.com...
> >Question: who in their right mind would take eminen seriously? He's the
new
> >vanilla ice, ...actually, he's worse, cuz he doesn't even have happenin'
> >hair...
> >jOe
>
> I've been saying the same thing. He should save his money like Vanilla
did. I
> don't know how much we will be hearing from Slim Shady in the future. The
song
> was pretty funny the first time I heard it, but with all funny type songs,
it
> just becomes less and less funny each time you hear it.
>
> --Dana B.
See "Pretty Fly For A White Guy" for another example.
HeyHepCat
>
>
>Really. Pick up a paper, turn on the TV.
I have. But the point you are making is similar to saying the RBF represents
ska. There are many underground rap artists who do not drive fancy cars and
shoot eachother. Many are simple people just trying to express their point of
view.
Donald Burke
netweasel <ry...@nac.net> wrote in message news:_ufU2.7$zU6.1377@nntp1...
> Ah, I said they don't kill eachother :)
>
> SirJoekr wrote in message <19990424013933...@ng61.aol.com>...
> >>Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
> >
> the
> >skatalites that went skitzo and killed his wife, or something along them
> >lines?
> >jOe
> >____________________________________________________________________
> >WWW.MTSKA.COM
> >The #1 source for ska News Interviews and Reviews!
> >Hail Zahd.
>
>
3 words :"woman a come". i guess its not really a ska song, but its close,
right? speaking of that song, how cool would it be if some dancehall guy
did a version called "woman a cum". i'ld buy that.
-Donald
netweasel
Aaron wrote in message <3723FE...@cco.net>...
PeridotCat
>make their living off re-releasing old songs.
hmm well a lotta people do that now...as ive heard it ...big trombone is
stikingly similar to manuel. just as better late then never is very similar to
many of lee perrys stuff as well....
amy
Johnny Blaze
u suck (ur mamas dick)
out
netweasel wrote:
> HAHAHA. And rap musicians are artists? Rap ceased to be original after the
> "Raising Hell" tour.
>
> Murat Dag wrote in message <7ft9dn$re$1...@news.ccit.arizona.edu>...
> >Ska artists? LOL You actually call them "artists"? I'm not trying to diss
> >the kind of music you like or anything, but you're really out of your
> >league... LOL
> >
> >Murat
> >
> >netweasel <ry...@nac.net> wrote in message news:bYaU2.71$Q36.7452@nntp1...
> >> Hey, atleast ska artists don't kill eachother.
> >>
> >> J. Walter wrote in message <7fr8b4$23i$0...@199.201.191.2>...
> >> >On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:34:08 -0400, "netweasel" <ry...@nac.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>You do notice that this is a SKA newsgroup.
> >> >
> >> >What the fuck are you talking about? Don't you look at the "to:" part
> >> >of posts? If you had, you would have seen "rec.music.hip-hop" as one
> >> >of the designated groups. Even if he HAD exclusively posted to your
> >> >little ska group, you don't have to go off giving him shit about it.
> >> >Calm the fuck down "netweasel".
> >> >
> >> >--Justin
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I swiched my motto/Instead of saying fuck tommorrow/
> >> >That buck that bought a bottle/Could have struck the
> >> >lotto--Nasty Nas
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
--
"AcTionS HaVe ReacTionS, Don'T Be QuicK 2 JuDge,
U May NoT KnoW The HarDshiPs PeoPle Don'T SpeaK oF."
- GangStarr
Xx Adie xX
>u suck (ur mamas dick)
>out
Do we really need much more support of our point?? The people who listen to
RAP [exclusively, mind you], don't even know the correct anatomy for the sexes.
It's a sad state...
Tsk tsk,
HeyHepCat
>RAP [exclusively, mind you], don't even know the correct anatomy for the
>sexes.
> It's a sad state...
>
>Tsk tsk,
>-- 80 --
That was one of the most close-minded statements I have ever read.
Xx Adie xX
Then you didn't read it right. Don't take everything on here so seriously.
Honestly,
Michael Caputo
>
> >Do we really need much more support of our point?? The people who listen to
> >RAP [exclusively, mind you], don't even know the correct anatomy for the
> >sexes.
> > It's a sad state...
> >
> >Tsk tsk,
> >-- 80 --
>
>
wait... I can beat it:
any music that I do not understand is, without question, bad.
-Mike C
> --Dana B.
>
> Dana Lynn Bitetti
> Bryn Mawr College '00
> Linguistics
> HeyH...@aol.com or dbit...@brynmawr.edu
> ICQ# 9435354
> --A language is merely a dialect with an army.
--
HeyHepCat
>
>
>Honestly,
>-- 80 --
If you were joking fine, then I didn't get it. We all know it is hard to pick
up on that every once in a while. But if you were trying to make a
tongue-in-cheek statement about a music you don't like, then it wasn't very
funny and hip-hop lovers do have a right to be offended.
netweasel
Can I be a kool alt.rap posta and write words shorta than they r like u 2?
Johnny Blaze wrote in message <37247175...@usa.net>...
>what's originality got to do with whether rap is an art or not?
>u suck (ur mamas dick)
>out
>
Aaron
>
> Aaron Campeau = 0
*crying*
"Mommy, netweasel called me a 0!"
"Son, his name is netweasel. How high in esteem can you hold someone
who's name is netweasel?"
"Oh. You're right. What a dumbass."
--
Aaron Campeau
http://www.cco.net/campeau/jds/
The Juvenile Delinquents-Proud Supporters Of Necrophilia Since 1997
"Rock 'N Roll never sleeps, it just passes out"
--George Thurogood
BEP
> If you were joking fine, then I didn't get it. We all know it is hard to pick
> up on that every once in a while. But if you were trying to make a
> tongue-in-cheek statement about a music you don't like, then it wasn't very
> funny and hip-hop lovers do have a right to be offended.
>
> --Dana B.
Oh, c'mon. She wasn't talking about the music as much as she was trying to make
a joke about the person saying "mama's dick" or something to that effect. I
reckon you should lighten up on the little lady, ma'am. Please? I'll be your
best friend?
BEP
(Who realizes that he hasn't used that "be your best friend" strategy since the
3rd grade..... it didn't work then, either.)
BEP
> It wasn't that. I, myself, enjoy some hip-hop and rap and whatnot... but when
> a music fan [of whatever type] comes across as, well, unintelligent, then it
> *is* sort of humorous. I'd make the same statement about a ska, punk, oi, jazz
> fan...
>
> I don' discriminate,
> -- 80 --
Um.... SEE!!
BEP
(Who should start reading ahead to see if his thought have been covered.... NAH!!)
Xx Adie xX
>tongue-in-cheek statement about a music you don't like, then it wasn't very
>funny and hip-hop lovers do have a right to be offended.
It wasn't that. I, myself, enjoy some hip-hop and rap and whatnot... but when
a music fan [of whatever type] comes across as, well, unintelligent, then it
*is* sort of humorous. I'd make the same statement about a ska, punk, oi, jazz
fan...
I don' discriminate,
-- 80 --
netweasel
Aaron wrote in message <37254E...@cco.net>...
Aaron
My mom drives a Dodge Dynasty that doesn't start half the time, with the
mirrors and seats falling apart. You don't know a goddamned thing about
me, so quit acting like you do. You also seem to have missed the point
of my post...you respond to criticism with an answer befitting of a six
year old.
netweasel
whose the immature one?
Aaron wrote in message <37264C...@cco.net>...
hispanic4ever
your gonna get lynched up in this muthafucka if you keep ranting here
hispanic4ever
netweasel <ry...@nac.net> wrote in message news:3v6V2.13$i2.954@nntp1...
Aaron
>
> "The Juvenile Delinquents-Proud Supporters Of Necrophilia Since 1997"
>
> whose the immature one?
I never said I wasn't. Poophead.
HeyHepCat
>make
>a joke about the person saying "mama's dick" or something to that effect. I
>reckon you should lighten up on the little lady, ma'am. Please? I'll be
>your
>best friend?
>
>BEP
Sorry, I have been really edgy. You can be my bestest friend if you write my
papers.
Cheap Thug
>hispanic4ever
good, cause that's not really the kinda thing you can change.
koreanpuertoricanirish4ever
"Well, uh....yeah"
-James Stewart
netweasel
hispanic4ever wrote in message <3726...@skylite.connect.ab.ca>...
LatinGoSka
>your gonna get lynched up in this muthafucka if you keep ranting here
>
>hispanic4ever
Hey, don't get on my back, dawg. I'm just keeping it real up in this jawn.
-Jon Stow
Sarah Ricks
: HAHAHA. And rap musicians are artists? Rap ceased to be original after the
: "Raising Hell" tour.
Yeah, and ska is a real cutting edge artform. Go buy Aceyalone's most
recent album, dickhead.
Todd
netweasel
Hmm, Aceyalone. I love how critics and fans call his stuff "soul". Soul my
ass.
Sarah Ricks wrote in message <7g7khr$jfk$1...@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu>...
netweasel
Dr. Teeth
>
> Once again, may I point to the fact that "rap" had it's roots from ska.
>
1) I'm not an expert on the history of hip-hop, but this seems like a gross
oversimplification. Jamaican music may have been an influence on early rap,
but it wasn't the sole source.
2) Everyone has now heard your opinions on rap. Cross posting flames to
groups you don't read is very rude. Please stop.
Matt
m. meenan
forming WAY before ska's first appearance (1963 at the earliest)! and
even the most recent hip-hop seeds (pre-Kool Herc), Gil-Scott Heron and
the Lost Poets, were out just years later. Now, I ain't gonna tell
anybody that ska is the worst shit out there (note: country, metal), but
to say it holds a candle to hip-hop could come only fromthe twitchy
fingers of a BASE-HEAD! Again--jump off the dust, cut the mohawk, put
away the suspenders, and welcome to the real shit, son.
On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, netweasel wrote:
> Once again, may I point to the fact that "rap" had it's roots from ska.
>
> Hmm, Aceyalone. I love how critics and fans call his stuff "soul". Soul my
> ass.
>
netweasel
Point 2: Tell that ton the guy who cross posted the Eminem thing into
alt.music.ska
Dr. Teeth wrote in message <37275800...@princeton.edu>...
>netweasel wrote:
>>
>> Once again, may I point to the fact that "rap" had it's roots from ska.
>>
>
Aaron
> forming WAY before ska's first appearance (1963 at the earliest)! and
> even the most recent hip-hop seeds (pre-Kool Herc), Gil-Scott Heron > and
> the Lost Poets, were out just years later. Now, I ain't gonna tell
> anybody that ska is the worst shit out there (note: country, metal), > but
> to say it holds a candle to hip-hop could come only fromthe twitchy
> fingers of a BASE-HEAD! Again--jump off the dust, cut the mohawk, put
> away the suspenders, and welcome to the real shit, son.
It's obvious that you don't know too much about ska. I understand that
ska is not hip-hop's only influence, (in fact, ska itself has no
influence on hip-hop whatsoever) but dub is a very major influence on
hip-hop music, and if it weren't for dub, hip-hop in it's current form
wold not exist. Dub laid the groundwork for scratching and sampling in
it's modern state. And, while I find some of the stereotypes by
Netweasel, (a person whom I myself have had several disagreements with
in the past) are stupid, I think the stereotypes you're making of ska
fans is pathetic, too. I listen to a lot of hip-hop, (although I HATE
mainstream hip-hop with a passion, give me Source of Labor or Black
Anger over any mainstream bullshit anyday) I don't have a mohawk, and I
detest drugs. It seems to me that you were saying you have to dress a
certain way to listen to a certain type of music. Well, that's bullshit.
If I misread what you were saying, then I apologize. This is much longer
than I anticipated, and I apologize for that, as well. So, uh, yeah.
netweasel
I am not stereotyping. In fact if you read the thread, I said why did
someone post the crap about Eminem in alt.music.ska. Then someone
stereotyped ska.
Aaron wrote in message <3727D2...@cco.net>...
Dr. Teeth
netweasel wrote:
>
> Point 1: Learn your roots
I'm well aware of the fact that early rappers were listening to U-Roy and
various other djs. The point is that they were also heavily influenced by
other things (Gil Scott Heron, as mentioned by someone else, among many
others). To say that Jamaican music was a major influence in hip-hop is one
thing. I still think that to say that rap had it's roots in ska, without
mentioning that this influence came via dub and djs, and without mentioning
other influeces, is an oversimplification. If you have some further insight
into how I could "learn my roots," I'd be more than happy to hear it.
> Point 2: Tell that ton the guy who cross posted the Eminem thing into
> alt.music.ska
>
I would, except that he stopped after posting one silly, off-topic message,
instead of continually antagonizing other newsgroups.
Matt
Aaron
>
> and dub came from......
>
> I am not stereotyping. In fact if you read the thread, I said why did
> someone post the crap about Eminem in alt.music.ska. Then someone
> stereotyped ska.
Hmm...seems to me that saying all rap artists are murderers is pretty
stereotypical...
HeyHepCat
>
>I am not stereotyping. In fact if you read the thread, I said why did
>someone post the crap about Eminem in alt.music.ska. Then someone
>stereotyped ska.
>
Well..dub evolved from ska but i believe he was probably speaking of *direct*
influences. You can't say that many hip-hop artists took their cues from
listening to ska.
Usually when people speak of influences they only speak of what directly
influenced the genre. If we traced everything backward we would of course, get
back to that African guy banging on sticks.
HeyHepCat
>oversimplification. Jamaican music may have been an influence on early rap,
>but it wasn't the sole source.
Correct. Hip-hop also draws a lot of its influence from soul, funk, and jazz.
And of course Jazz was around way before ska. I think that hip-hop and ska
have had similar influences. I think we had this debate before on AMS and
finally someone said if it wasn't for some African guy banging on sticks
thousands of years ago we would't have any music at all. Rap -- the lyrics
spoken over hip-hop was very heavily influenced by Jamaican toasting.
netweasel
each other.
Aaron wrote in message <3727F2...@cco.net>...
>netweasel wrote:
>>
>> and dub came from......
>>
>> I am not stereotyping. In fact if you read the thread, I said why did
>> someone post the crap about Eminem in alt.music.ska. Then someone
>> stereotyped ska.
>
al
> >spoken over hip-hop was very heavily influenced by Jamaican toasting.
You're absolutely right. In fact, the "originator" of rap music, King Herc, was a
jamaican immigrant well schooled in the art of deejay.
jo...@ecn.ab.ca
: a music fan [of whatever type] comes across as, well, unintelligent, then it
: *is* sort of humorous. I'd make the same statement about a ska, punk, oi, jazz
: fan...
Hey pal, just what are you trying to say about ska, punk, oi, jazz fans?
--
BEP
That they... um... poop in their pants... and um... then they pick up those pants
and put them on their heads... and um... when it... um... falls out of their
pants... um... on their heads... um... they eat their own poop... um... yeah.
BEP
(Who's rubber and a.m.s. is glue and whatever a.m.s. says bounces off of him and
sticks to Caputo, or perhaps Dave Segal.)
David Segal
Only if it's lucky...
-Dave "Who said that?!" S.