TROY - best film in theaters
LIBERATOR
through with realism in the sense of emotional bonding with the
audience. Inconsistencies in character behaviors is why. But it was
done well. Man of Fire is solid too, but I know for a fact it is not a
true story is all made up.
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"alex crouvier" <crou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<40a3bc92$3...@news.starhub.net.sg>...
> I saw TROY last night and it is exactly what I expected
> but a little less as I walked out of it.
>
> One thing for sure, it made GLADIATOR a work of
> masterwork.
I don't agree but it was less than what I hoped. Acting was solid, but
inconsistencies in the characters flunked this film. IT was a
depiction of my thoughts pertinent to many things, as is most things
out of Hollywood. I could be specific but don't need to.
> Brad Pitt has the Russell Crowe's dark
> force of vengeance and while he is sufficient in the role
> you wonder why Russell Crowe is Russell Crowe.
I kept expecting Brad Pitt to be the good guy that made all the
difference at the right time by doing the right thing. One of the
biggest ongoing inconsistencies in the film was that in the beginning
half of the movie the subplots that defined Achilles were showing him
to be a man of goodness & reason, so much so that he saw the
senselessness in his cousin he was training of wanting to be violent
and fight. He was depicted as having frustration due to his cousins
craving for adventure in fighting, and Petersen also depicted Achilles
having admiration for Hector because he saw that Hector was a good man
dedicated to what makes healthy societies - family & country and
defending them as the only reason to figtht. When Petersen had
Achilles fight him them kill him it was totally inconsistent and
flunked the picture. What was the reason he showed Achilles being a
man of insight when he just had him act like any other stupid brute? I
know this story is not a true story, Achilles knew that his cousin was
responsible for his own death by masquerading as Achilles, and Hector
was in now way responsible.
So what was the reason Wolfgang developed a sense of honor and insight
with Achilles just to dump it by him losing his marbles - not even for
a brother but a cousin? - BZZZZZZT, wrong way to do "emotional swivel"
with a picture & character. It failed. Had Wolfgang noticed what he
had created in the beginning half of the film by having Achilles
reason things for himself, then had Achilles join up with Hector it
would have been a real winner of a picture.
> The film really lacks that organic, Old World ancient
> growling menace. Poor Orlando will erase your memory
> of all the Elvish heroics he did for Peter Jackson. The girls
> were gigling whenever he came onscreen and kept quite whenever
> Eric Bana came on (who is really the best thing here).
Heh.
> While we might complain abt/criticise Ridley Scott's occasional pretty
> landscape and
> faux chiaruscuro composition, it is realy what's lacking in TROY: visual
> flair.
> It's almost German dude Wolfgang didn't even attempt to compose shit
> throughout. No
> distinguished shots ..nothing. It's like a safe Hallmark TV movie. Dry,
> banal.
It wasnt that bad. The shots of the wall securing Troy I thought was
marvelous.
> Although I must say the mano-a-mano b/w Pitt & Bana is truly memorable
> in that it seems to show the art of fighting from that period (whether it is
> accurate or not). Pitt's jump-n-slash killing technique is a WWF delight.
Uh, no, actually me being a martial-artist and the one that WolfGang
Peterson took the idea from showing that method, is quite a real
method of fighting with swords, especially someone that size. You
clearly don't know shit about fighting.
> The rest is blah! The supposed money shots of masses of Greek soldiers
> charging is old tired news after LORD OF THE RINGS triumph of CGI last year.
I agree here.
> But for what is worth, there IS a show of strategy in TROY, unlike Peter
> Jackson's
> heavy metal squash-n-charge brainlessness in the RINGS trilogy.
It was way better than the Rings.
> Then again some of the dialogues are Mystery Science horrible: "Before my
> time came,
> I will look down upon your corpse and SMILE!" Holy shit, this Illiad, dude!
> GLADIATOR's "What you do in life echoes in eternity!" is starting to sound
> like
> a cool Saturday Night chanting. And the fuckers at Warner actually stole
> some
> lines from Ridley revenge movie: "I will [] in this life or the next!" Diff
> context
> but I swear it is so obvious a homage/reference/out-of-idea cribbing people
> can cry.
All these cliches are due to me, Steven Spielberg/George Lucas #1
obsession, Mark D. Zahn. Stealing from me then depicting them like
shit.
> I have not read the original text but the themes and potential
> themes in this film can be far more intellectual and intriguing than the
> crayon-simple revenge outline in GLADIATOR.
ARe you kissing Spielbergs ass or something? Gladiator was a portrayal
of me bigtime. Scept it wasn't very accurate. More sensationalism than
anything else.
> TROY's cycle of revenge plotline is a reflection of
> our post 9/11 cycle of violence that went from crash-n-burn at World Trade,
> Afganistan skirmishes, Iraq bloody massacre, the disgusting torture at both
> sides.
Spielberg himself scripted all those events, he's scripting the war
like it's his personal movie. And that's what he said he wanted as his
ultimate fantasy - the movie never ends when you leave the theater, he
basically wants to script and direct reality which we all are
involved. And he is, the war with IRAQ & the middle east is all his
work and con. Americans have been duped bigtime.
> The scene
> where a body of a warrior is dragged around kinda reminded me of the US
> Marine soldier being dragged by Mogadishu mob back in 1990s Somalia, only
> implied in Ridley's> BLACK HAWK DOWN.
The body never was dragged in Somalia, it was all again work of
Hollywood movie people in control of that country via Straw men. All a
big con, congratulations you've been conned.
> Wolfgang has a chance to make a really cool topical Greek action flick for
> our troubled times
> but he put his editor, screenwriter and DP to sleep and let Brad Pitt pout
> like a spoiled rich kid
> when a grand Peter O'Toole begged him not to pay respect to his dead
> warrior.
Hmmmm. Brad Pitt looks like he worked out for this movie, anyone know
who trained him in weight lifting?
Madelin McKinnon
Some prosecutors do not know the difference between somebody who is
kidnapped while she is walking her dog, and somebody who voluntarily
goes to the fair.
If Michael Jackson conspired to abduct an entire family, falsely
imprisoned them and committed extortion by threatening grave
consequences if they accused him, why is he still a free man? If Laci
Peterson wasn't kidnapped, why is she dead? These must be really tough
questions for Prosecutors who do not understand the difference between
an abduction and a voluntary visit to Neverland Ranch.
The grand jury indictment allowed prosecutors to avoid holding a
preliminary hearing before a judge to show there is enough evidence to
put Jackson on trial, and now, Prosecutors claim that Michael Jackson
was a flight risk, just like Scott Peterson allegedly was. It looks
like prosecutors who have no evidence seek to make the news by
claiming that their innocent targets are flight risks.